Is she right?

W-wow that is so bluepilled, am i r-right guys?

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>go to a library
>every single chair is taken up by sleeping homeless people
>loud pajeets and muhammads talking and yelling
no thanks

we don't want to go to your poo-library Shitty Poo Patel

why does she imply there is a shortage of libraries? no one goes to them anyways and people just pirate books. how about using public funding for something useful like parking

>how about using public funding for something useful like parking
How is encouraging higher car usage a "useful" thing?

then build a park :)

Or a library?

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Wow, a communist wants other people to live in poverty, I'm shocked

I would do what ever the f**k i want.

but it's a waste of money. no one uses them.

Where did anyone say that?

I wonder how can the US be so fucked that this is the most common experience of going to a library.
I mean I already have buttload of books to read at home, but the few times I've been to a library it was mostly students and old bookworms.

"Stop buying things you want to assuage my guilt and self-hatred"

who is she and why should I care?

I'd probably use my local library more if it wasn't filled with people being loud as shit. I live in a 90% white area with very few homeless people, yet its still shit to use. People think its ok to pull out their phone and start having a conversation on it or start playing music, or the fucking worst start playing shitty facebook videos. I feel like its human fucking decency in the modern age to carry around headphones if you really feel the need to listen to audio in public. Its honestly rude as shit to make other people listen to shit they don't need to hear especially in a library.

People here talk about it a lot, but I've literally never experienced this. Do people on Yea Forums all live in urban areas with big homeless populations?
>"Don't buy things" = "live in poverty."
Does not follow

She is taking it too literal.
You are helping the author/label by buying the book.

sounds like she is just poor which is typical of most leftists

we should have private libraries where loud people are kicked out

I live in a third world country so good look finding a "library".
Must be awesome being such a privileged rich shitskin colour woman from first world.

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Libraries in small country towns are pathetic. I was at the printer in my library and left at the printer was a book list of all the books the library had purchased. It was severely over priced garbage. The list was purchased by this dumb sput who has no education and just sits on her fat arse all day down there chewing on anti depressants. They have kids sessions in there where all the mother's use it as a meeting place to chin wag and talk gossip. The kids sing at the top of their fucking lungs. Old guys on the computers across from me are constantly looking into my eyes like dead beat cunts.

I live in a fairly white, middle-class suburban part of California and I usually only see maybe 1 or 2 bums at most minding their own business on the computers, and everyone else is respectful and quiet.

that isn't the point. she's calling it commodity fetishism

Yeah but buying more books than you can read is something that happens in the Great Gatsby just to showcase the main character's inner hollowness. It's not a bad thing to save money on books.

Unironically sounds really good. Will buy

No. I get all my books from the internet. Libraries fall into three categories:
>Boomer depositories
for old people who still have not worked out the internet
>Historical book mausoleums
for old books that might be worth keeping around and for 'academics' that might want to look at them - a handful per country
>Wank banks
For homeless people that want to look at pornhub
I give libraries 10 years before everyone realises they're worthless.

I go to three libraries each week for court ordered reasons and this isn’t the case for me. However the library in the downtown area of my city is surrounded by homeless people but they don’t usually go inside. There are literally homeless people everywhere downtown though. That’s California for you.

>Preventing access to knowldege
?

Not particularly. The population increase means that books are always being loaned by someone.

Sounds horrible. I'll buy and never read.

Fuck this argument fuck the notion of commodity fetishism and fuck this woman. Collecting books you like is great, searching them is great and the act of buying them is great. Having a personal library is great. Fuck this bitch. I like and use my university library but loan time is almost always an issue if I don't start reading the book right away. If you buy a book, you can be sure to arrive at that book at one point in time, this can be next week or it might take years. This is really the great thing about owning books.

sounds like you have a shitty uni library

mine lets me extend books, frequently for infinitely long periods of time

fuck libraries
they glue shit to the books

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>If you buy a book you can be sure to arrive at that book at one point in time
Not true at all. Sound like sentimental horseshit to me. I know people who really do buy more books than they'll ever read and I think its pretty disrespectful

this and they're filled with scribblings made by retards

you don't just pick up a book from your library some time for checking shit from the index? using it for references? oh but you're a brainlet fictiontard, that explains it

It's not preventing access to knowledge if we filter out homeless people looking for warmth, teenagers looking for somewhere to talk and 70+ people who need help with the computer. If anything it actually aids people who are genuinly interested in reading and literature because the atmosphere is a lot more fitting and in general comfy

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*ting*
I utterly despise libraries and the #SaveOurLibraries shenanigans you find infested in the internet, namely on the site Reddit.com. These are mere AstroTurfing campaigns to make people feel good about backing a cause which receives little to no opposition, as "surely", they think, "surely, who could be against libraries?".
This narrative couldn't be as morally wrong as it obsolete.

Libraries are worthless institutions, occupied by beggars, homeless, sex offenders, 'but alas', sayeth the Librarian, "think of the children!" Alright then, let's take a tally of these children, shall we? These snot-nosed little brats are taken to the library by their parents who think their bastard progeny, in their vernacular, 'is the next Einstein'. Wrong Mr. Mom and Ms. Dad, your little Johnny and yourselves included, yes, the whole lot of you, are pseuds.

Indubitably, you could give every child an e-reader loaded with enough books to last their lifetime, for a fraction of the price to maintain community library, yielding much greater dividends, as the depth and scope of the material will far exceed the "My friend has two dads" tier drivel that will infect their minds as maggots a carcass until there is nothing left. Liberté, égalité, fraternité, themes for the children, and pop-books for Mom and Dad, like Michelle Obama's recent book. Young Adult selection abounds too, lest we forget. To what end? The books, are limited to convey tepid neoliberal viewpoints that support the misappropriation of limited societal resources The only libraries of worth are substantially large university/city libraries.

DISBAND,
DEFUND,
DECONSTRUCT LIBRARIES

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I wouldn't buy a book just to check it for useful references. If anything that's what the library is for.
>Guessing my reading preferences based on my opinions regarding libraries
hard cringe. You're an idiot

I love libraries except for all of the filthy rabble who tend to mill about there. If we could eliminate people of this kind I would be most pleased.

This is my favorite pasta on lit

>>Preventing access to knowldege
Yes. The lowest rungs need to be liquidated or otherwise put to some use. Probably removing the popular magazines and internet would be helpful.

Libraries are a waste of money. Just make everything digitally available at one national library website. No waitlists, either--it's digital, it can be instantly copied endless amounts of times for free.
Use the same purchasing policy as for physical books.
Libraries are trash and a trash system. you have to buy the same set of basic books for each one, and the selection is always limited. with a national library website, there could be far more variety and extent of offerings. and some guy in rural ohio wouldn't be discriminated against versus some guy in nyc for extent of selection.
modern libraries are just hobo daycare centers. they should be abolished. convert the staff to digital conversion authorities to digitize all older literature that didn't premier digitally. get the whole bulk of humanity's works globally translated and digitally uploaded.

Are you referring to your own personal library? Are you saying that you actually buy entire books that you don't plan on reading in any substantive way?

you are a funny man.

perhaps entrance exams?

Nobody goes to libraries; it would be a waste of money. Besides, don't writers rely on book sales to be able to write in the first place? I don't think taking away that option is a good idea. Online libraries, though, especially for books that writers don't rely on for income, are a good idea.

The only problem is that this would make it easier to "steal" books. Books would become unprofitable, publishing companies would never go for it.

> for court ordered reasons

You were sentenced to reading all of Hegel's bibliography or something equally painful ?

>Besides, don't writers rely on book sales to be able to write in the first place?
Who gives a fuck if Stephen King or JK Rowling makes a million dollar less?

That's an obvious point, but what about the writers who aren't already millionaires, which is most of them? They're already getting ripped off by their publishers, and not enough people actually read as it is.

Yes something so crude would probably be necessary. What would be preferable would be to live in a time when class distinctions were real and obvious. Not like now where every one dresses like slobs and a homeless person and an off duty millionaire are roughly the same person.

why can't i buy the books i want AND use the library? crazy bitch

I'm just not poor I guess. I plan on reading it someday.

Going around in my study, picking out monographs on Kant, Hegel, Heidegger and Deleuze and so on, and then just reading about a random concept/term and switching them up with another concept really gets my nogging jogging

>Is she right?
Basically. I love capitalism but capitalism does not mean unhinged spending and hoarding. But books you are going to read or need for other purposes.

I hope all her work is free and she doesn't earn a single penny?

If anything we need less writers, not more. Most of the writers today are utter garbage. Just think of your average humanities student where most of modern day writers will come from. Do you really wish to support this status quo? Think, for Gods sake! Think!

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I never, ever want a non-white to assume they can tell me what to do.

>paying taxes for public libraries
>not a guarantee of access to public libraries
Fuck you too, buddy.

Start a private library, don't ask me to fund your hobby.

Nobody cares what you want.

There are plenty of things you can't access even though you pay for them with taxes. We do this even though its technically theft because its for the greater good.

you don't need a library if you're not a student or a scholar, buy your own books scrub

>DEMAND LOO
>FUND LOO
>POO IN LOO

She and everyone else is retarded. Just buy used books at local stores and estate sales.

100% correct

normies can't rip dmca off files yet, and everything to be found in the library system is already more easily pirateable.
libraries are a waste of limited resources. we should close them all and sell the properties and collections, then use the cash to digitize the collection and secure hosting, then the savings forevermore out to procure more works that aren't in the system yet and translate yet more works into english (or from english to other common languages.) it would have far more impact on the sphere of literature to do so than continue propping up an already outdated system with such immense brick and mortar expense as libraries.
i see no reason it must be geographically limited. nationalize it and put it all under one website. again, why should a guy in the boons be deprived of quickly and easily visiting the collection of the nyc public library just because he doesn't live there?
again, no waitlists or other bullshit. it blows my mind that one could even conceive of such an absurd concept as a waitlist for a digital file.

nearly all who wouldn’t pass some sort of competency test don’t pay taxes.

I went on vacation in France once and having to fumble for change to use the public restrooms when I really had to pee felt pretty dystopian so unironically this

You'd be fucking surprised

Nigga in what place where you ? I live in France and I only pay to pee when I use the restroom of a bar or pub. And even then I get a drink for my money.

It was the public restrooms outside Notre Dame. My family dragged me there, I'm sure its not that common.

Typical bougie-left overture for "authenticity." Commodities are the apex of efficient allocation of resources, Marx be damned. If I want a book, I'm gonna buy it. I don't want to worry about reading it only when it's convenient for other people who demand the same book.

Correct diagnosis, very outdated prescription. All digital media is infinitely distributable, so we should take advantage of that fact.

I only ever steal from libraries and schools.

Screens strain my eyes. Why should I be prevented from owning something when I want it?

Ah maybe it's different around historical buildings. I scarcely ever visit them, shamefully, I just pass them by. I hope you enjoyed it at least, the interior of the cathedral is so beautiful it's vertigo-inducing.

>tfw you could visit the Notre Dame cathedral every day and you've noly ever done it once

Shamefur dipsray as they say.

Is it even possible for a post to be more based than this?

Sure, let's work through this myopic bullshit for a steamy 2 minutes
>Stop or reduce buying books
>publishers make less money
>Publishers with less money have to fund projects that focus more on ROI and cut break even/not profitable books because of overhead
>cut funding literary authors
>focus on capitalistic trash because if we all read in libraries the total $ going into the publishing industry shrinks
>Less literary output
>WHY ISNT THERE ANY LITERATURE BEING PUBLISH?

Really great work people

Did you consider using RazerX Glasses, sir?

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Why wasn't this a problem 100+ years ago? How come now when there are more resources than ever that it becomes a problem, hmm?

This literally would stop book production. Writers would not get paid for their work, publishers would cease to exist. Now you will have some kind of smug comittee only granting works of their liking. No thanks.

You know capitalism and book production of independent thinkers since 17th c go hand in hand, right?

Total real $ value to publishing industry

>Why should I be prevented from owning something when I want it?
No one is stopping you. The point was that caring at all about "books" rather than the contents within said books is simple commodity fetishism.

Gutenberg made the press for $, not altruism

Money that is spent on something is money that isn't spent somewhere else. Funding someone else' hobby ain't my responsibility. If I pay for a public library I damn well should get to use it.

I do. That is my point. But if I pay for public libraries I demand the right to use them.

Payroll taxes, sales taxes, road tolls, etc.

>go to library
>have to take extra time out of my day
>book can be checked out
>have to worry about late fees
>homeless people everywhere
>will have to go back again if I want to reference it, or reread it
vs
>go online
>buy a book for $4 and have it shipped for free
vs
>go online
>go to libgen, download it for free, and read it on an e-reader
why would anyone use a library in the current year?

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If you want to use them, just pass the test. My recommendation for a test like this would not be some sort of IQ test, more to check if this person is actually interested in reading books. Questions like how often do you read, what types of books do you read etc. If you dont read at all then you shouldnt have access to the library (yet it seems like many people that dont read frequent the library nowadays). This is my entire point sir.

Yet another reason capitalism is a cancer. Everything (even that which some consider most important) simply evaporates away from us if there is no potential profit to sucked out of it.

>like object in the world because it gives you pleasure for all sorts of reasons
>this is somehow a bad thing

Fucking marxists, man

How retarded do you have to be to think Marxists care about you personally?

If people want something, they'll get it. If people don't want literature, don't complain that a market system isn't providing what isn't demanded.

Ah yes, the invisible hand of the free market will give everyone what they need.

>we can get authors paid for libraries buying paper copies of books
>we can't get authors paid for a library website buying digital licenses to books
Hmm. made me think.

Right, they don't, but that's beside the point my commie friend. Please convince me as to why commodity fetishism is a bad thing, because this concept seems ludicrous to me

I think that it's pretty damn low on the totem pole of things to complain about.

Right you mean in the same way film producers and musicians get paid? Oh wait...

Download 1 million eBooks. Problem solved

I want private libraries. The kind you need to associate and pay a monthly fee to be a member. Fuck public shit.
I want it neat, clean, well kept, good ammount of copies, a place to socialize with people of some social standing because I don't like poor people at all.

>a tour-de-force

yes, don't ever read a book because you have to but because you want to.

Something something surplus labor value something something alienation something something character mask something something Marxian economics is not a normative or ethical system.

Minimum age here is 18. You're not allowed to post here.

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Why do normies pretend to love libraries so much?
Unless you're in a massive city, it'll be a ghost town with a few homeless guys sleeping in the corner, and nothing but falling-apart books from the 1980s. The inconvenience of having to constantly drive back and forth returning and checking out books means it's no wonder a society as lazy as the US would prefer to not bother, especially now that any book can be obtained for free online, and most can be procured physically online for very cheap.

Most (probably 90% of the general population age 18-40) people don't even read unless they're forced to for school. Why pay taxes for libraries that are going unused?

Sin of greed

It's all so tiresome

>like something
>want to own it for a fair price
>somehow this is a sin

100 years ago publishers didn't have to worry about competing with many other forms of entertainment, it's harder to sell books now

What a stupid fucking bitch. Her very first sentence indicates clearly indicates that it's not an issue of ease of access, or even cost, but time, or a general aversion to reading, meaning libraries will not solve this issue whatever.
Not necessarily, but they sure as shit don't need libraries.

It is if you fetishize the act of owning it

This is the overlooked truth

You have no clue. There are more books being sold today than in any previous point in history.

>. Now you will have some kind of smug comittee only granting works of their liking.
they literally did this in the USSR lol

>overlooked
>already acknowledged at least half a dozen times ITT

I have a Kindle and pirate my books, there's no other way.

Define fetishising. Marxism calls itself a material philosophy but in many ways denies engagement with the world. You know, if I like something, shelter, food, a woman, a book, you have no business denying me this pleasure.

Did this result in any good literature? I'm genuinely ignorant.

Frankly, for art, in terms of systems that promote quality, all other thing being equal
Monarchism>Capitalism>Socialism

I know much more about music than literature, and I can say with confidence that the best music Russia produced was under Tsarist rule, and the best Soviet composers were part of a generation educated under Tsarist rule.

People that refuse to take the test should get tax refunds, paid by the library users, then.

Which do you prefer?
>Market decides what you can have according to how profitable it is
>Committee decides what you can have according to how their particular values relate to those of the book
At least in the second option we have a chance to decide the values of those who lead.

>>Market decides what you can have according to how profitable it is
Except you can have anything you want in the market. Nobody is forcing you to buy whatever is dominating it

Not that user, and this is not a question limited to capitalism only, but do you deny there is such a thing as material addiction? Can there exist such a person whom is addicted to the mere act of ownership of materials? And if that is the case, at what point would you term it fetishizing?

The market is you, sweetheart

>People that refuse to take the test should get tax refunds, paid by the library users, then.
No, we need everyone to chip in for the greater good. A more educated people is better for everyone

I always hated the library, always old women who takes forever to do anything there or they complain about random shit. Fuck libraries.

>Except you can have anything you want in the market. Nobody is forcing you to buy whatever is dominating it
You are missing the point. Look at the post I replied to Not if I do not have any money. Those without money mean nothing to a market.

Well stocked libraries are nice.

It sounds like sickeningly hyper-emotional, progressive-bait.

My local library is inconvenient as shit because their selection is pathetic and it's more trouble than its worth to try and get things through inter library loan because the old ladies at the counter get huffy as shit whenever they're asked a question that requires an answer of more than 5 words. That and the only decent library in my area is one I'm not allowed to use because I don't live in the city. There's basically no reason for me to use libraries where I'm at.

libraries are a thing of the past friend, we have every book ever written right here on the net

Only people who don't read say this shit. Don't post again.

DEMAND TOILETS
FLUSH TOILETS
USE TOILETS

This is a long topic for me to address the answers, some of which are surely good, but here's my take:

she WAS right. The kind of product-driven commodity fetishism she's criticizing used to be rampant and came to a maximum during sometime in the late 80's. But since long we had a slow yet sure shift into a more subtle version of it. Since it is no longer a surprise that every material thing will be packaged and sold en masse no matter how subjective or unique it might at first look, eventually we had to turn to less tangible things to commodify. I could argue that this coincides with the economical shift from service-driven companies to finance-driven companies but other people make this point more elegantly elsewhere. What I do want to point out is that nowadays buying books is an actual choice - you're gonna eventually read something in digital if you're under 30, much more so if you're under 20 - and the means of getting your way "for free" are absolutely trivial. Libraries are a convenience as much as open frequencies on radio are a convenience next to Youtube.

What we fetishize over today are things like sharing our reading experiences - the "social capital" involved in the act of pursuing any and every hobby, criticizing it (at times not in itself but rather to get the replica, the criticism of the criticism), and overall engaging in it with the added effect that others will indulge in vicariously evaluating our engagement. This goes to gaming streamers in obvious ways but also to people commenting on streams in not so obvious ways, and the list goes on.

She's clinging to a dated model. Libraries ironically do not have the necessary conditions for social capital to spread as much as the internet can do, and this no longer has as much to do with tangible, obvious commodities in the direct way she's thinking.

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why should i listen to the opinions of an indian woman?

>every book ever written right here on the net
Not quite. But if we abolish libraries and divert the funds to this noble goal, we could.

The lowest part of the totem pole is actually the most important.

>we have every book ever written right here on the net
I wish this were true

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How about you have to be a student or pay taxes to pass the test. Those that don’t pay taxes but still want access can take a special test

>social capital
Holy... i want more. Unironically good insight

>The market is you, sweetheart

Heck no. The market is mostly dominated by large scale trend and corporate concentration (or lack thereof) of means of production and diffusion.

If some guy in Hungary writes a genius book that exactly fits my interest but doesn't sell because publishers are too afraid to publish anything not designed for quick commercial success the market will not magically translate his work and teleport it to my home.

If there market is me then the Atlantic ocean is the last wave I've surfed.

But you aren't screening people for how well they'll apply that education for the greater good. I don't think it's any better to pay for some geek to "start to the greeks" than for some tween to read YA - neither of those things are going to bring wellness to the general population.

If the library was completely stocked with STEM and history, fine, otherwise it's just unfairly priviliging someone's hobby over someone else's at society's expense.

It's on the people who are asking for money to make the case for why they'd use it better than the rest of us.

Let the results speak for themselves. Many of the greatest writers started by reading in the libraries. The first one to come to my mind is Pessoa. As a teenager he spent many hours at the library reading everything from greeks and forward. Tell me honestly, can there be a second Pessoa who reads in the library as they are currently implemented?

These actually exist though

If the book is unlikely to grab the interest of many people, it's up to the producer (the book writer) or the interest potential consumers to be proactive. You don't even really need publishers these days. If the guy just wants to put the book out there he can do it for free. If the guy wants to profit, there are platforms where he can set his own asking price. If nobody cares enough about the book in Hungary to think that it'll be worth translating, and you and a few other people disagree you can arrange for the translation between yourselves. I don't see why it's someone else's duty to devote the time and skill to translate for a book that isn't interesting enough for most people to buy for a few people.

The market failure, in this case, is the failure of the few people who care about something but lack the skill or determination to do it for themselves.

It doesn't even work for science lit because that is already international for starters and the consumers of that lit are multilingual already.

Do they have infinite copies of each book too?

Dunno where you got that intel, since the public library system of Portugal came much after Pessoa had died. He even criticized the Salazarist regime for anti-intelectualism so I don't see what was so intelectually enriching, according to Pessoa, about his environment then.

Onwards: Less than 1% of people have read a book by Pessoa and his work has no application besides it's entertainement value - surely public funds can be better spent than betting on the generation of a scarce few "great men". Even he, poor as he was, had a personal library like just about every great writer before the 18th century. And if they were alive today they'd have access to more information at a lower carbon footprint and wasting less floor space. So I can see public libraries are useful for general work, study and entertainment spaces of everyone, but I don't see how investment in providing a service with no guaranteed returns for the benefit of the few at expense of the many is socially useful.

but then when the electronic apocalypse happens we will have no more books user

Didn’t want to sound stupid so found the quote on wiki
>While his family remained in South Africa, Pessoa returned to Lisbon in 1905 to study diplomacy. After a period of illness, and two years of poor results, a student strike against the dictatorship of Prime Minister João Franco put an end to his formal studies. Pessoa became an autodidact, a devoted reader who spent a lot of time at the library.

>Less than 1% of people have read a book by Pessoa and his work has no application besides it's entertainement value
Less than 1% have read Plato. Less than 1% have read Newton. Less than 1% have read Shakespeare. Going by this metric literature is incredibly wasteful and shouldn’t even be engaged with in tax dollars.
>Even he, poor as he was, had a personal library like just about every great writer before the 18th century.
Not everyone can afford a private library though. Pessoa sure as hell couldn’t as a kid. I really don’t want to get into a discussion of Pessoas life as it’s besides the point, there are more renowned writers who spent time at the library
>So I can see public libraries are useful for general work, study and entertainment spaces of everyone, but I don't see how investment in providing a service with no guaranteed returns for the benefit of the few at expense of the many is socially useful.
I ser where you are coming from but again, the point of libraries was never that *everyone* will start to read. Sure it would be a more efficient use of funding to put tax dollars on big macs for everybody and have 100% effectiveness rate but that seems like a very naive and frankly depressingly materialistic view of human civilization

It really depends on how many homeless people are in your town though. My town is also middle class, suburban, and almost entirely white, but because of the mild climate year round there is a large homeless population. The only section of our library that doesn't smell like a mix of sweat, piss, smoke, and booze, is the downstairs children's area. The homeless have pretty much destroyed what was a really nice library.

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Don't see any mention of library on his portuguese page. Would this be his college library rather than a public library?

Says right there that Pessoa had poor results as a student. Who is to say he would've passed this library test?

Reading Newton did provide good for general society, even for people who did not read Newton. Shakespeare wasn't meant to be read but performed, and many, many people enjoyed his plays. Plato was the concern of clergymen and mystics - they can pay for themselves, at least now we don't owe them tithes. I don't think there is more value in Plato than a tourism brochure - the latter has more factual information at least. If someone wants to read Plato, fine by me, but society isn't inherently better for it. Maybe that person will be better for it, but that is outside my scope and no more my concern than Jonhy's favourite movie.

We don't need everyone to start reading, just that no one is barred from reading, specially when they everyone has to pitch in to support those reading habits.

If we were set on fostering the growth of intelectuals who lacked the means to afford a formal education through no fault of their own, tax-funding scholarships for the best performing students would be the most inteligent way to do it.

This is sincerely based and authentically red pilled

Unironically impressive.

Do most library systems not have online hold placing and truck transfers between libraries? Even if my library had a homelessness problem, I'm usually in and out in a minute because my books are right there waiting under my name.

How about you just kick out people who aren't using the library as a library, and maybe smelly people if it's that bad

That's not the point
No cares if you get your books

Homeless people and other blights to society should be exterminated so we can spend more than a minute at the library
Then you can see how all the grant money is spent on pozzed SJW programs and leave in a different kind of disgust

>To gain access to knowledge first you must prove that you have knowledge.
Also, stop hating the poor you sack of shit.

Absolutely.

There's nothing wrong with having your own library though but it is a kind of consumerism to buy tons of books when you can access them with ease otherwise.

You can go into bookstores and read for free you dumb bitch. If you want the luxury of taking bleeding edge new books home with you or not wait for the last mook who checked out your book; you buy them. How on earth do you propose to populate libraries with such books? Well I know how; by making it unprofitable to write and publish books just like all their other proposed solutions. Commies are the worst people.
>Books arrive at bookstores, people buy them, read them, some donate them once finished, libraries always have books, only a few months back in time from the bookstore experience
Name an issue with this

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Go fuck yourself

Don't pay authors? Okay.

A few quick calculations (for US):

>Number of children able to read: ~53 million
>Operating Expenditures for Libraries: ~10.5 billion/yr
>Price of Amazon Kindle: $129.99
>Average price of ebook: $4.99

Assuming each child is given his own kindle with 100 books (assume we already include all out-of-copyright texts):

>(130 + 5*100)*53*10^6 = 2.71890 * 10^10 ~ 70 billion

Thus it would take about 7 years to match this one time cost (which of course it isn't, as new kids would require e-readers as well) based on the existing operating expenditure. However, libraries also generate revenue. According to the ALA (from where I pulled the expenditures) libraries have an operating revenue of ~11 billion dollars. Only about 7% of this comes from the government, the rest is from local sources and donations.

This estimate is not conservative, however. I've taken some liberties with how the children were counted and obviously you could just get out-of-copyright books only (though in that case the library proves superior). But in fact, it's irrelevant as libraries basically pay for themselves.

So in conclusion, both sides are wrong. Libraries don't need to be saved, nor do they need to be replaced.

>(130 + 5*100)*53*10^6 = 3.390* 10^10 ~ 30 billion *

Which would take ~4* years not 7.

No.

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My community's public libraries are largely funded by sales tax. I don't think she'd be upset about capitalism here.

underrated post

what is project gutenberg

>home sucks
>new library opened up a few blocks away, go there to read in peace
>walk in
>immediately hear the screeching of at least 3 toddlers
>middle-schoolers on the computers playing fortnite at silky smooth 15fps and yelling at each other
>one of them is blasting "baby shark" from their phone
>already decided to go back home, but curious about what books they have
>organised randomly, books rarely match the shelves' supposed genre
>all YA and romance shit or random history books by literal whos
>all have clearly never been read
>one of the toddlers comes running through the aisles, coming very close to stumbling into the shelves
>realise there's one of those mini-playground things you see at supermarkets off in the corner
>why the fuck is the kid not in there
>sudden smell of BO wafts in
>ffs
>pack of abo kids walk in
>talking loudly in abo speak
>running through the building even though they look like they're ~12
>librarians are completely unbothered by all of this, must be normal
>leave
>40C day so by the time I got home the book I brought there with me got warped by the heat
>never go back
Fuck libraries. They're worthless and I hope they all get shut down.

Maybe you could fill the 19 million vacant homes (within the US) with people so they wouldn't have to find shelter in a public library

>Must be awesome being such a privileged rich shitskin colour woman from first world.
Must be awesome being such a privileged rich woman from first world.*
ftfy mate

Maybe you can fuck right off to your fantasy land
Chronically homeless people prefer living on the street to fund their substance abuse problems and degenerate lifestyle

Also why the fuck would anyone let people stay in their property rent-free?

Grow up you stupid fucking faggot idiot
Libraries are gay and so are you

This
At the very most I've bought ahead maybe three books, most of the time I just buy a new book whenever I'm getting close to finishing the one I'm currently working on.

just abolish capitalism. There, I fixed every problem you listed

I keep seeing x

CAPS LOCK
CAPS LOCK
CAPS LOCK

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>Also why the fuck would anyone let people stay in their property rent-free?
Maybe because we ought to value human life over $$$ (dollar signs). Another maybe. Maybe if we gave too shits about rehabilitating those with addictions they would not have such a fondness for the streets (aka the only place they can get their fix (aka the only pleasure, however fleeting, in their entire life)). Also I'm sure your boss appreciates your attitudes which sustain his exploitative way of life, hopefully he compensates you by letting you at least have a few days off a year.

I value money over the life of the likes or you and you haven't provided any reasoning contrary.
Addicts don't want help; they want to get high. Go actually interact with these 'people' and get a damn clue
Contractors don't work for free buildings house and neither do I (way to assume my boss is male shitlord)
Capitalism works because it's voluntary if you don't like it go be bum on the streets just stay the fuck out of the library

communists will hate this post

Not him but you can read peter coffin

>I value money over the life of the likes or you and you haven't provided any reasoning contrary.
what's your reason for valuing money?
>Addicts don't want help; they want to get high.
Wow, those with addictions want to get their fix. How profound.
>Capitalism works because it's voluntary
Capitalism """""works""""" because if you don't let yourself be exploited by your boss for their profit, your only choice is to rot on the streets along with whoever depends on you for their survival (kids, old people, disabled, etc.).

It's not about valuing money over people's lives. It's about valuing the time contributed to the maintenance of the state that the civil worker has given. It is unfair that his contribution should go to someone that does not contribute.

loud people should be kicked out of public libraries

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I want to have a comfy private library is that too much to ask? Or is some weird degenerate lady gonna tell me I'm fetishizing my books?

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The "contribution" thing I see constantly online is such a meme. What is a low-income worker hating their life at mcdonalds contributing to? Societal despair? Seems like a capitalistic rationalization for exploiting people.

>libraries
>when pirating exists

allowing the rabble access will discourage the people who would actually make use of the knowledge from coming, so in practice you're preventing access one way or the other

>the poetic equivalent of Arundhati Roy
*gasp*

If the people on the right could read more than a few words this would make them pissed

but what if the library doesn't have the book I want

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Amazing how no one has called out this woman on her misuse of the term "commodity fetishism." Great indicator that no one on this board has actually read Marx, despite what many posters would have you believe.

Commies can't read because they can't afford books and don't believe in libraries.

The contribution is the tax levee, moron.

Why on earth would you actually read Marx?

I'm not sure what you mean

Yikes. Sharing books is like sharing clothes.

Go back to R/eddit.
We hate libraries here.

Stupid and even average, and even slightly above average people being knowledgeable is how you get fools. Socrates made a mockery of people like you.

>wanting pseuds
?

Based

Feels good to be in a non-shithole country with great local libraries. Why are americans such consumerkeks?

Just join a private library

Either you need to know the person who owns it or you need to pay more money for access than just buying the books. If they were more prevalent we wouldn't have this problem, unfortunately they aren't

>reading marx
do you read medieval medical treatises for health advice too?

He thinks it make him high society.

Who cares that some nerds prefer physical books, the internet exists anyway so libraries are becoming increasingly obsolete for their orignal purpose.

Money is the means to survive. Time is the means to attain money. Only time will give us money. We are obligated to pay taxes, thus our contribution is in time.
Everybody that is self-governing has to contribute with the taxes, so the McDonald's doomer contributes to the maintenance of the state in this way.

This fucking guy. She is endorsing capitalism. If demand appears shit gets funded and thus used.

Libraries in most cases don't have enough books. That's why I like university libraries because they have expensive and or rare books I can't buy on Amazon. Make one good library instead of a dozen bullshit smalltown libraries with more vidya than books.

Also "commodity fetishism" sounds a lot like some anti-capitalist rhetoric. All decisions based on individual idealist world views are prone to simply not work when involving any collectives outside the individuals intellectual peer group.

I am a librarian. I work to turn my home into a Library. Regardless of my mood or mental state there will always be a book in a stack somewhere that I would want to pick up and read. I buy and keep about 1-2 years of reading material in advance, I that is instrumental in creating a very comfy atmosphere.

Public Libraries are worthless for anything other than infrequent loans, they never have the books I want, and you can't stay at a Library because of all the screaming kids and immigrants. University and School Libraries are still very relaxing though.

Libraries are great, but sometimes i buy great books with the hope of my future son picking it up.

>naked commodity fetishism
Get this poo out of my face

>public libraries have garbage lowest common denominator collections
>university/private libraries are pay to play
>internet "libraries" are dependent on piracy and poorly formatted digital files
>academic books are too expensive to buy for personal use
There's no good solution unless you have the money. Personally, I go to uni libraries and read books without taking them out of the building. If I need to "check out" a book I look for a pdf.

My local libraries have private meeting spaces, separate areas for children’s programs for art and reading, classes for people learning English, 3d printers, computers and printers available etc. One library I go to has a separate teen section for YA and manga and shit. I’ve used the printers there after my home printer died and I realized how infrequently I have to actually print tings. The library staff has always been friendly and helpful when I needed a book transfer or whatever and if I’m just checking a book out/extending/returning there are self use kiosks.

It’s all pretty based 2bh.

No because the solution isn't libraries, it's to encourage people to read less. Reading as a midwit way to "play with ideas" instead of reading with purpose is cancer to the soul. You don't need to read hundreds of books.

I'm pretty sure the point is don't be a collector.

The greatest challenge for libraries today is the rise of kindles and ebooks, the books being ridiculously easy to pirate. They are important socially, and needed especially for the young and the poor, but when we're reaching the point when those are the only people needing them, most people will stop caring.

young and poor people shouldn't be reading and thankfully mostly don't read.

Nobody reads e-books lmao stop this meme bro.
It’s either audiobooks or paper today

>lumping yourself in with homeless and drug addicts
Get a job, fucking commie.

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>capitalism

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>Money is the means to survive
No, food, water, and shelter is the means to survival. Money as a middle man between you and such things is simply the most efficient way to exploit those who need such things (literally every human) for the benefit of the already-wealthy.

We are all people.

I agree. #nohumanisillegal #openbordersforisrael

>I however also dont want libraries to be community centers and a hub for drug addicts/homeless people + children.
Literally what is the point of libraries then since the internet already exist?

The point is to have a place to borrow books and sit and read. Why would the internet nullify this?
>inb4 e-books

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Bitch if you have to point every and any time someone misuses Marx, there will be no more space left to talk about Marx itself

Also aren't people taking pictures of their bookstack or shelves to show off to one another kind of fetishing books?

Exactly that e-books or even a fucking PC/phone you can read books from. Library are for people who either can't afford a e-books or need help reading and getting curated shit.

Just because you can read books on your phone doesn’t mean you want to or that people are doing it. I wonder what the percentage of bookreaders are e-readers (excluding audibooks for obvious reasons). I imagine a lot more people read paper

I have an ereader I read pirated books on and I also borrow books from the library

I don't disargee with you there at all though. I am just pointing out that the people that user is trying to exclude need the library the most than anyone else, who with the access of internet and education, can already read and find stuff to read.

>90% white area
>people play music aloud in public places
The only white people who do this are poor and they don’t count as white.

The argument for libraries is retarded.
The same investment could be used to ensure free internet access and computer use. Build libraries but stock them with computers not books.

>she
no

>you can't stay at a Library because of all the screaming kids and immigrants
this

I have like a hundred books I should go donate to the library

the book as commodity is not magically decommodified if it's the library's property and not one's own. i'm not sure that she understands what commodity fetishism is. women seem to be against buying books because they can't read
books are too valuable to not purchase for oneself, instead borrow booger-filled copies for a limited amount of time. my book collection means a lot to me.

>my book collection means a lot to me.
Why? because they are books or because of what is within the books? If it is the latter then them being books is not what means a lot to you.

Great idea. My grandfather has a theory that when libraries started offering alternative services to lending books were when they really started declining.

More like:
>To gain access to knowledge, first you must prove you have the desire for said knowledge.
There's absolutely nothing wrong with this line of thinking.

one cannot so readily dissociate form and content though, user. but yeah i love my books fuck a library bitch

This is a great idea actually

read PKD's Ubik

lol

>yuropoors have to PAY to use public restrooms

Wew lad

yes

My local library provides me with a huge range of lit I wouldn't be able to get easily by myself.
The best is the reference/history books, but even a small town library will have every single meme on Yea Forums that you find and more.

I'm out of the loop here. Who is Shailka Patel?

>Shailja Patel is an internationally acclaimed Kenyan poet, playwright, theatre artist, and political activist. She is most known for her book Migritude, based on her one-woman show of the same name, which was funded by the Ford Foundation. CNN characterizes Patel as an artist "who exemplifies globalization as a people-centered phenomenon of migration and exchange." She divides her time between Nairobi, Kenya, and Johannesburg, South Africa. In Kenya, she is very active in terms of equality and peace. She is a founding member of Kenyans For Peace, Truth and Justice, a civil society coalition that works for an equitable democracy in Kenya.
Honestly she looks very fuckable to me.

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>go online
>want to find an academic reference book from 1985
>never uploaded
>uploaded but pdf image quality is shit
>copies cost 25$
>I like to hold my books anyways

vs

>go to library
>literally 2 minutes of walking that every American will greatly benefit from
>find book
>pay 1$ a month

We should ban the internet

>What is archive.org

the revolution is silent and slow.

>live in third world
>go to library
>there is no library
Fugg :DDDD

What is commodity fetishism? Is it when you sexualize objects like books? Sounds pretty dumb

Indeed, but instead of libraries just download (legally, of course, yar har!) books you'll probably never read. I only get physical books If I know I'll read them and will likely reread specific parts in the future (I find it easier to remember stuff from physical books than digital).

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It is dumb, ever looked at social media? books are placed in flowers and vegetable bowls because they are made for the colorful cover, no one reads today, NO ONE

user, you know there are still CERTAIN books which sell and are read... ;)

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Homeless people don't pay taxes

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Good. Taxes go to shit like the military and businesses.

I like libraries, that's why I want my own personally library of books.

>My friend has two dads"

fucking jej

Have you read Nicholson Baker's book "Double Fold"? It's not that well written (and doesn't read like Baker at all) but it's a good screed about how shittily libraries have been run since the 1990s. They're literally slicing up and trashing books in order to pay for electronic reproductions of books that no one will ever read - or to pay for "community centers" and art spaces, as if the city needs more of those.

For the anons who got mad at this post:
What about a multitier system where you get the shit library for free (with the childcare center and the Netflix computers and the clean syringes) but then you have to pass a literacy test to get to the pic related library?

Paris installed flowerpots to encourage men not to just piss in the streets.

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libraries are obsessed with banning books over muh feels

My local library tries to stay "relevant" by hosting events on digitalization, IT, the "maker movement" and so on. They are very proud on their follower counts on instatube. They only host one or two readings a year, usually about self help books or because the author is a refugee.

She's not wrong, so long as you take her opinion to be that you should use libraries more often and not give into the idea of purchasing a bunch of books you'll never read.
If her argument is to stop privately owning books altogether and only use libraries, that's its own nest of problems.

This has so many buzzwords I really don't know what to think.
Reviewers should be made to write something more thoughtful than just throwing together the literary equivalent of a recruitment ad for a tech start up

My library has feminist garbage on the website homepage and it still has books like "The Strange Death of Europe" and the fucking red pill movie.