What's Yea Forums opinion on fetishism? What's the most lit fetish?

This

A fat belly is the best part of a woman's body

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Shut up roastie

According to L'Anomie, it is impregnation. For once Yea Forums was correct.

fetishes are just highly specified attractions. The ultimate fetish would be the most specific, then. With that having been concluded, the ultimate literary fetish would be that of literature in and of itself.

Fetishes are not Yea Forums.
They are classically conditioned perversions.

If they were classically conditioned, they would no longer be classified fetishes

t. you're fucking pathetic

Nigga I'm /fit/ and high test

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you also like fatsos

Autogynephilia is just another name for being a heterosexual tranny male.

it's a gross and degenerate fetish.

t. Flesh slave.

Fuck off you repressed homo

>Pee
The ultimate of all patrician fetishes
>The back of a woman's neck, with hair held up
A second, less vulgar option

Honestly, femdom.

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Fpbp. I avoided it for a long time because of the memery and negative societal outlook on it but when I finally gave it a shot I realized that I had been brainwashed and manipulated by the MSM. It truly is the most patrician fetish bros, no other fetish can give you that insane rush after a long fap. The most despised yet most based fetish of all time.

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Deepthroat is the patrican's choice.
It is the only based kind of sodomy.

its objectively less gross and degenerate than the homosexual trannies that want to act out this grotesque parody of a normal heterosexual relationship . but make no mistake, you are all degenerates who should kys asap heil hitler

Distant eyes

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Girls who read.
That's it.
Just girls who read.

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transgenderism is gross perversion at every conceivable level

Muscle worship

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Deal with it

Lol, absolutely not. A real writer hates a girl who reads.

The /high test/ threads on /fit have warped his mind

i want a girl who reads SIEGE. ill do anything to find a willing female partner who shares my interest in hyperfascist terrorism

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post more anyas

>Yea Forums becomes swamped with women
>user still just wants an anime waifu who reads neo-reactionary bullshit

Some people just don’t want to get laid

hand holding

>discord trannies
>women

who is this vviener vvitch?
she looks like she wants some of dat butter

god I wish that were me

Literature is the greatest perversion imaginable.

Fetishes are carnal and fleshslavepilled.

>Siege
>Neo-reactionary

Come on dude, neo-reactionary is more than a derogatory buzzword.

therefore vital and Bacchuspilled

Anya, light of my life, fire of my loins. My sin, my soul. Ah-nee-ah: the tip of the tongue taking a trip of three steps down the palate to tap, at three, on the teeth. Ah. Ny. Ah. She was Ann, plain Ann, in the morning, standing four feet ten in one sock. She was Annie in slacks. She was Anita at school. She was Agnes on the dotted line. But in my arms she was always Anya. Did she have a precursor? She did, indeed she did. In point of fact, there might have been no Anya at all had I not loved, one summer, an initial girl-child. In a princedom by the sea. Oh when? About as many years before Anya was born as my age was that summer. You can always count on a murderer for a fancy prose style. Ladies and gentlemen of the jury, exhibit number one is what the seraphs, the misinformed, simple, noble-winged seraphs, envied. Look at this tangle of thorns.

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this, the milf i work out with sometimes is ripped and she lets me feel her abs. i want to fuck those abs so bad, she let me once grab her ass while she flexed. you dont know what you are missing until you feel the toned and healthy body of a real woman.

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This user is gay

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i dont mind chub, but its a whole other world out there. finding a tough chick is hard, but damn is it satisfying. i like em fat too, but i can get those anywhere not to mention its not really attractive when a woman cant take care of herself. i see fat women that cant cook or do shit and it just blows my mind how lazy these newer women are getting.
also i guess milfs is my thing, lets throw that into the mix.

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I have a number of fetishes and it seems I'm alone when it comes to them. Girls who wear jewelry and gold watches turn me on. I think they look better nude wearing jewelry and gold watches than without accessories. I also like it if a girl says my dick is cute, plays with it and even gives it a nickname. To most guys that's a turnoff but gets me harder than diamonds.

Same. I have a mistress (whom I don’t pay, who’s simply into what I’m into) who uses my face to get off, ties me down, beats me, uses me as she wants, etc.
I’m quite lucky and I feel like I’m living a pretty Yea Forums life.
That being said I still have really strange, embarrassing, hyper-specific fetishes that I only act out with strangers. Really tough to pull off but totally worth the effort.

Chaste and dare I say, breadpilled.

Since I'm not sure if I'll get a more appropriate chance to ask, is there any vore literature? I really want to be somebody's food and a book would be all the more novel compared to online erotica.

I vehemently hate fat women.

gay

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How did you find a dominant woman like that?

Post Aries women.

I legit think pedophilia is the most lit fetish. It's pretty much a perfect source of internal torment, and reading about a guy struggling to stay moral in a society in which he doesn't belong would be neat. None of that stupid fucking pulp by Nabokov.

As for opinions on fetishism, it seems to be partly genetic, and partly environmental. When it reaches the level of paraphilia, it's basically a separate sexual orientation, many of which are unworkable in reality. There is next to zero public education on what paraphilias are, leading to widespread hostility and moral condemnation.

I'm a necrophiliac.

Legit? That's fascinating. Could you describe your experience?

That's fucking awful, stop posting that shit

Are you serious? What appeals to you about it?

I find that any fetish lessens human connection and causes me to focus on something other than the other person.
So they're a way to maybe get a quicker boner but ultimately it doesn't feel good in any lasting way.

Why do you like pain? Never understood this.

Weight gain

Not him but its an extreme adrenaline rush, i fapped to it a few times but made myself stop because it ultimately keeps your head in a bad place.

Patrician

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Same.

Have you figured out a way to reconcile it? Because I'm presently planning to die alone.

I don't know. I've just always been obsessed with death and watching people die. It started with horror films and watching people get hurt on America's Funniest Home Videos and the escalated to roleplaying murdering people when I was in middle school and being subscribed to several gore sites. I'm not edgy anymore, I think, but what I would do to spend a night with a corpse, doll it up, kiss and hold it and tell it my woes before making love with it. I wish it were legal.
Also, in highschool, a lot of my friends knew I slept with a plastic skeleton but probably assumed I was just a weird kid. My favorite thing about dead people is that they don't judge you for your fetishes. I could hold one and caress them with all the kindness of my heart or beat another with a baseball bat until they look like a pile of spilled lasagna and they'd both react the same.
Bit jealous of incels at least their fetishism of women is normal to an extent.

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Is the adrenaline from humiliation? And is it racially-oriented? I don't understand what the hell someone could enjoy of seeing their own lover with someone else, which is normally a person's worst fear, and my theory was this fetish is a way for people to somehow transform this fear into something more positive (despite it still being wholly negative). It's a way to cope with and not have to deal with what is a normal fear, to me.

hurts good, idk
not him

Damn. That's rough, dude. I hadn't realized that necrophilia could involve watching someone die - that transformation aspect seems to be common to a lot of paraphilias. In the case of weight gain, I'm attracted to larger women, but it's the transformation that does it for me. Do you think that's true in your case?

And yeah, fuck. You guys probably come out above zoophiles and below pedophiles on the condemnation scale. I haven't seen necro threads on /d/ before - is there much of a community anywhere?

I've never reconciled it. I've only had one gf in my life and I tried to subliminally fatten her for a while but the situation sort of disgusted me. She just couldn't turn me on after like 5 years of deathgripping to bbw porn. She broke up with me because I couldn't get a boner when she tried to have sex, she thought I was gay.

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Can a person who is predisposed to g*re ever become averse to it? Conversely, can someone averse to it ever become fond of it? Is it possible to desensitive yourself to it after seeing it? Personally I'm very scared of such things (I'm like the Apu frog) and never look at it, and never think of it, but in sight of folks like yourself, I wonder how you ended up that way. Have you always been fond of it? It never scared you? Do you think you'll ever dislike it? Are you a sick person, on the inside? Do you think impure things? Is it more a philosophical alignment, like how gothic literature and subculture explores a certain unconventional side of life?

If I ever stumbled onto it, could I once again desensitive myself to it? That's my main concern...

Same. At some point in my adult life I became the object of my fetish and gained 30 lbs. It entertained me for over a year (I also had a gf during part of it who wasn't into it but humored me).

The adrenaline rush comes precisely from the fact that its your worst fear, like just completely letting yourself fall apart, collapsing and letting all your anxiety unravel. It feels awful, that's the point.
Not all cuck porn has niggers btw.

ABDL/Infantilism is definitely the most Yea Forums fetish. It has such a high number of competent authors and good stories.

Fuck that shit man. Fuck the women who think it’s okay to be overweight slobs

That's kind of how I feel - I'm always terrified I'd be motivated to do that, which is why I've never learned to cook. I've found I can get hard even with an ordinary girl, but I need an emotional connection for that to happen.

I see a lot of WG fetishists who report auto-weight gain as an aspect of their arousal patterns. I haven't seen a study done of it, but I think it's an erotic target identity inversion, much like autogynephilia, autopedophelia, and disability fetishists pretending/cutting off limbs.

I suspect whether a person engages in auto-paraphilia depends on the strength of the desire and the feasibility of the transformation.

Bookish babes are the most lit fetish. Hands down. No contest.

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That's kind of the plan, yeah.

Femdom desu

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>I see a lot of WG fetishists who report auto-weight gain as an aspect of their arousal patterns. I haven't seen a study done of it, but I think it's an erotic target identity inversion, much like autogynephilia, autopedophelia, and disability fetishists pretending/cutting off limbs.
>I suspect whether a person engages in auto-paraphilia depends on the strength of the desire and the feasibility of the transformation.
Interesting thoughts. I never would have thought I'd want to gain weight myself. I was not even remotely interested in it for most of my life. I don't really know what flipped the switch for me, possibly loneliness but as I said, I had a gf when I started gaining.

Yeah, I've always been very focused on staying thin, as I tend to get aroused when I overeat and I think I could very easily go down that road if I let myself. I just don't really want to big, though; I don't think it's aesthetic on a man, the impaired mobility would be a pain in the ass, and I don't want to deal with the judgment.

That said, I feel like I'd probably do it if I was a woman, which I've also seen one or two other WG fetishists say. Might be akin to heterosexual men saying they'd sit around playing with their tits all day if that happened to them.

I can guarantee you if I was a competent chef I wouldn't have been able to stop my sexual urge to fatten her up, probably make a lot of foods with olive oil and shit. It's really one of those fetishes that isn't just embaressing, it's disgusting to vanilla people and inherently unhealthy. What parts of the weight gain turn you on the most?

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How has not a single person said Crossdressing?

Yeah I like being skinny too. It started out with getting aroused from eating too much and the ritual belly stuffing had weight gain as a consequence. That was what put me over the edge into intentional gaining. And yeah male obesity is disgusting, and I would never want to get that big, just kind of chubby. There was a lot of social embarassment which both aroused me greatly but also lower my self esteem.

If I was a woman, it would be hotter because it would be more socially acceptable for me to flaunt my chub in public

I (different person) feel like there is a distinct split between the object of my weight gain based attraction and healthy attraction. I am a "woman", and when I believed myself to be heterosexual I only fantasized about women gaining weight, but now, as homosexual identifying (with no desire for sex with men), I only fantasize about men gaining weight.

Damn, that's not ideal. I'd better stay incompetent.

The disgust from vanilla people doesn't phase me, I was in a public school long enough to throw back "Fuck you, you cunt"s at people. But yeah, the unhealthy part gets me. I can't reconcile loving someone with also wanting to do them harm.

As for which part... a lot of it is just physical, for me. I like very round breasts and bellies, usually in a certain ratio that I've never bothered to accurately define. I think aspects of corruption and embarrassment also do things for me.

How 'bout you?

What's your personal thrill with crossdressing? I consider women superior to men anyway so it doesn't thrill me to be imitating the "inferior" sex, nor do I personally find a thrill in being feminine, though I admire it a lot.

What?

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BECAUSE AUTOGYNEPHILIA IS A MYTH!!!11

Damn, I figure that's how it'd go for me. I just don't let myself think about doing it. It's kind of become a rule with myself.

Not sure I fully understand, sorry. So MtF, attracted to women pre-transition, now men post?

Not mtf just lesbian

I can't read or write

is playful ballbusting Yea Forums?

That's... very interesting. So ordinary sexual relations with the people you believe yourself sexually attracted to, and a weight gain fetish for those to whom you are not?

Do you have romantic feelings for only the same sex you're attracted to?

Also, homosexuality seems to be a lifelong thing - did your sexuality invert, or were you just confused when younger?

Yeah I think that's a good rule to have because it's hard to stop once you've started. Also it was near impossible for me to go through day to day life normally without being aroused by my body (feeling my belly jiggle, glimpsing my body in a reflection, etc).

>Can a person who is predisposed to g*re ever become averse to it?
I saw a post on here where an user said he went vegetarian after years of being a butcher so possibly. Must depend on the person because I also see people who post elsewhere say they're fine with it after years of growing up on a farm.
I watched a SHITTON of horror as a kid to the point none of it phased me. Week after week my father would just sit the whole family down and watch people just getting gutted up, sliced, split, gunned, you name it. My biggest fear as a child was being blended because of movies (luckily it's not easy to die like that) so I was scared of a few films but as I grew older and realized it was all Hollywood magic, I stopped caring. Then I was given my own personal computer and I explored the gory underbelly of the world wide web and realized life wasn't cookies and cream. It was just like the movies but less, I suppose, pretty. Dying isn't a pretty thing at all. Horror films make people distort their face into silly expressions when they die but when a real actual living human die, sometimes they're just completely unrecognizable. I would then research diseases, why rigor mortis is a thing, why the flesh turn grey, how bodies actually look from the inside, I was obsessed. It fascinates me even still to this day that someone be full of life and blissful joy one day then out dead as a doorknob the next because of an aneurysm or dry-drowning.
I don't think I'm a sick person, I'm very tame. I like growing things like pumpkins and squash and watching horses run around nearby. I'm fond of visiting the nearby herp store and seeing all the newborn snakes and lizards and frogs and all that (though I don't think I would be able to take care of any of those animals). I am very sane. And I do suppose it has some philosophical alignment to it; death isn't something people should fear but prepare for. I fetishize death, maybe moreso than I should, but there's something comforting about knowing you'll never truly die, you'll always sustain some other being and your energy will be passed on. You'll rot and become an ugly pile of dead flesh but would it really matter? You'd be dead. And eventually not even your dead body will exist, it'll all be dust and ashes, or replaced with minerals, fossilized, metamorphisizing into gemstones after thousands or millions of years.

I remember reading a book when I was really young, I can't remember the name, but it was about a trapper in the arctic and I remember this one passage where he said he was dying, hypothermia, but for a moment he was able to observe the muscles in his body moving more clearly than ever, and how enlightened he felt watching his fingers curl and relax themselves, knowing that eventually they'll be stiff, unable to move. Yet even so I glorified the thought of death and being on the verge, maybe because it makes life seem so much more pleasing.

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God damn it. That actually does sound a lot like AGP.

Fuck this dumb fetish, augh

No romantic feeling for men, and I believe it to be lifelong (no heterosexual play-acting as a child, etc)

>What's Yea Forums opinion on fetishism?
Extremely cringe Tbh

>AGP
Autogynephilia? Shit. I don't know much about that but I've never imagined myself as a woman or anything of the sort. But I guess the fetishes are similar since they're self-directed and center on physical transformation.

Not a necrophile, but I'm a research scientist who cuts up multiple mice on a weekly basis. I am absolutely desensitised. I started off hugely guilty, now I rarely feel anything. I also feel no physical revulsion when looking at healthy organs ordinarily (its actually a beautiful system when you understand what's going on). That said, when I find a dead, rotting mouse around the place, I'm completely revolted.

Do you think time away from it, say if you get a different job later, will re-sensitize you to it?

Alrighty, neat. So, what attracted you to weight gain in women? And what attracts you to weight gain in men? And why do you think you stopped being attracted to it in women?

Yeah, pretty much. There's a group of sexologists in Toronto, centred around J. Michael Bailey, James Cantor, and Ray Blanchard, who came up with the notion of the erotic target identity inversion. Basically, in some men, the target of erotic fixation becomes the self. Ordinarily, that results in autogynephilia. In fetishists, it results in auto-paraphilias. Interestingly, it's way more common in paraphiles than in heterosexual men. So far it's been scientifically reported in pedophiles and amputation-fetishists. Very recently it was reported in furries. And yeah, though there's been no scientific study of weight gain fetishists, it's abundantly clear that it happens.

I couldn't say. I suspect partly, but I also suspect it's partly a permanent process. Take that with a grain of salt, because it's speculation and I could be dead wrong.

I wish you the best in future. I'm sorry if you don't appreciate what your job has made you become. Hopefully it's elastic and you'll revert to the normal baseline sensitivity that is innate to us.

Oh I see, that makes sense. In non-fetishists, the main sexual interest is women and having sex with them, so when the object of sexual desire switches to the self, it takes the form of AGP. Even though I'm straight and enjoy sex with women, my primary sexual interest was always in girls gaining weight or overeating, so it makes sense that that was redirected to myself.

>pedophiles, furries, cross dressers and amputation fetishists
Gee, I'm in good company...

If I don't have fetishes is that okay? My libido has never been very active, I just don't really feel "activated" by anything. Am I normal?

Fetishes are autistic and fucking stupid, so yes.

Heh, thanks, but it's alright, to be honest. Couldn't cure disease if I got too squeamish.

That's the theory, anyway. It could be dead wrong, and there's still a lot we don't know about how paraphilias develop. That said, the theory made predictions which are turning out to be true, which is encouraging.

And haha, yeah, pretty much. DESU we're all in the same boat of being reviled by wider society, and I'd like us to band together in some kind of grand paraphile coalition. None of us choose our sexual orientation, and I'd at least like people to understand and sympathise with that.

James Cantor, who is himself gay, made the argument that we should push for that with non-practicing pedophiles, because once people can deal with that, they can deal with anything.

Could be a physiological problem? Or maybe asexuality? I know nothing about either, I'm afraid. Have you seen a doctor?

Oh wow, when did that become a wordfilter?

If you're curious, I'm pretty sure the book you described is White Fang by Jack London

Does anyone else find fetishism to be a slippery slope?

For the record, one of my primary fetishes is gluttony, not WG necessary, but just the act of watching people eat large amounts and get a protruding stomach. Recently though, I’ve found that I’ve starting to feel a desire to indulge in gluttony myself. A similar thing is happening with my femdom fetish, as I’m now starting to suspect that I might be AGP.

How deep does this decadent rabbit hole go? And more importantly, why do I feel so eager to explore such decadence? I’m not sure if I should be worried or not.

Speaking personally, I think it’s because you admire femininity so much that you want to embody it in some way. I fear that the kind of women worshipping I indulge in could seriously damage my external relations with people if left unchecked (including relations with men, since I’ve noticed some misandrist thoughts beginning to creep into my brain despite being male myself), so like all fetishes, I’m trying my best to contain it to my private life.

Phew. That feels good to hear. I read a thread like above and feel genuinely sickened, and completely foreign to how a person even feels sexual attraction to things like in this thread. Is it possible to ever get rid of a fetish? Can the people here ever be healed? Can f*rries ever stop being what they are?

Is AGP supposed to be new and groundbreaking? The term is new, but people inverting their fetishes onto themselves has been obvious for a damn long time

Giving into gluttony is a slippery slope. I got hooked on a feeling and a fetish kinda took over my life for a year

Not really, I have some pretty peculiar fetishes, though nothing too weird, that have plateaued for the last 5 or so years.

Maybe a little? My WG fetish used to cap out around 250lbs, now it's much higher. That said, I've switched over to hentai, where I think larger women look much more appealing. Beyond that, I don't think it's really changed that much.

As for eagerness - historically AGPs tended to transition later in life, and the desire to do so would continually increase. I suspect that because the level of dysphoria increases over time. As a skinny, androgynous young man, you're not that far off from a woman. As a balding, overweight, middle aged man, you are.

As for whether you should explore it - no idea. AGP can definitely cause problems, particularly if you have a partner. The actual best course of action differs from person to person - some seem adamant that not indulging is the best way to go, others go all the way to sex reassignment surgery. You should probably do some reading and explore it - or don't; and stay as you are.

All available evidence says no. There has never been a successful conversion of a pedophile, despite a great deal of effort. The present theory is that paraphilias represent "crossed wires" in the brain, and we can't presently rewire them. Of course, having a fetish and acting on it are two different things.

AGP was formally described back in the 80s, so its been around forever. What's new is having actual scientific data confirming that fetishes get turned on the self, and the notion that it seems to be common to several, and possibly all paraphilias.

Personally I think so, I believe that even grown humans are far more malleable than we are led to believe. By the way, your lack of general libido could indicate some level of physiological disturbance.

I haven't research asexuality well. I think I might be partly that. I'm a 23yo male and am often revolted by sex. It just doesn't "connect" with me. I see sexuality as if from third-person, looking at it as some alien part of myself. I don't know if this is a problem and needs correction, and will change as I grow older, or if it's something in my nature.

The general rule is that it's a psychological problem if it's causing you distress. If you're comfortable being that way, maybe it's fine. If not, then maybe not.

Again, I have read no scientific literature on asexuality, so I have no direct evidence of whether it may change. That said, I feel like if you're ten years from having started puberty and it hasn't changed, it probably won't change on its own.

Are the wires crossed by birth, or become that way? Why are some peoples wires crossed, and specifically towards what they are crossed towards (i.e the specific fetish people latch onto)? For me, if I'm averse to sexuality in general (inb4 muh superior sexless being, it's nothing like that, i'm generally quite unintelligent), why is that "my condition"? We all only discover our natures, no? We see what they are, and by seeing them, know of what we are? None of us control them, seemingly. I just hope my wires don't cross in this regard, because I personally really find this stuff repulsive and don't ever want to deal with the personal shame and hardship of having to deal with it.

P much this. Psycholgical disorder = disorder = dis = distress, for you or for those around you

Physiological disturbance? Am I supposed to have a libido, can I not be normal without one? Also I might as well add that I have a child-complex too, wherein I feel and roleplay as a child and want a relationship with a girl (who is caring to me, and sees me as her "little one") where I can embrace that. Might that be part of it, relating to my libido issue? Maybe I'm stunted in my psyche? But what if I'm not pretending or dysfunctional, but this is just what I am and want to remain as? Is that okay?

I’m wondering if my fetishises are routed in my upbringing. Even though I’m extremely skinny, I’ve always been a big eater ever since I was a kid and I’ve been repressing that side of myself recently. Perhaps that’s why I love girls with big appetites who might be able to share that love of food with me. Similarly, I’ve never been the most masculine person, have some feminine interests, and even display some effeminate mannerisms when I feel really at ease.

It’s gotten to the point where I fantasise about being a gluttonous lesbian who has fun gorging herself with her equally gluttonous gf.

I’m fine with that, I can fanaticise about that in a healthy way, but what’s concerning me is that I’m starting to identify with femininity so much that I’m slowly beginning to develop a hatred towards men. My fear is that this might seep into my public life if I’m not careful.

Look, people’s minds aren't like car gaskets that come off the assembly line either normal or wrong. There is no sih thing as a Normal Standard mind. People's thougts and behaviors are a product of their peers and cultures. Something becomes a psychological DISfunction when it causes either the person who has the disfunction to feel sick or distressed or when the outside popation is distressed by the person's behavior. The only psyche you can compare to is a contemporary western one. If you lived in a canabilistic society, eating people would not be a disfunction if it caused no distress in anyone

Likely from birth. There's a few bits of evidence. Firstly, captured pedophiles have lower average IQs than other criminals/sex offenders. There's some argument about whether that's just because only the really dumb ones get caught, but as IQ is heavily based on the g score, which is genetically determined, it seems there's a link to an altered brain state.

In keeping with that, 30% of pedophiles are left-handed, as opposed to only ~12% of the general population. Handedness is already decided in-utero (the thumb a baby sucks in the womb will be of the hand it writes with). Again, it suggests that even before birth, something is different in the brains of pedophiles.

Lastly, pedophiles show differences in the white matter of their brain. I'm not a neurologist at all, but again, James Cantor describes white matter as the brain's "wiring."

So, there seem to be differences there from birth. However, even in identical twins, I don't believe there is a 100% concordance rate of paraphilias, though I believe it's higher than the general population. That means there is some kind of genetic link, but environmental factors also influence the development. Consider it like a genetic risk factor for cancer - you' might be eight times as likely to get cancer, but that doesn't necessarily mean you will.

As for what they're crossed towards - I presume it varies from paraphile to paraphile. My (non-twin) brother has exactly the same weight gain fetish I do, and while I can't rule out an environmental contribution, I'm inclined to believe it's because our brain architecture is set up similarly.

As for asexuality - again, I'm afraid I don't know how it develops. There may be some in that community who have done the reading. As for the shame; nobody chooses their sexuality, and you shouldn't feel any more shame for it than you would for being born blind, ugly, or liable to die of leukemia.

"Supposed to" is a social construction. Most people have a libido, so it is not normal (meaning "common") to not have one. However, for every million human beings, it is normal that some will be asexual.

As for the caring - is there a sexual element to that?

Possibly. My issue with this thinking is that it can justify anything. If I was a pedophile, I'd think "Well that makes sense, I was around children a lot as a kid." If I was a furry, I'd think "Well that makes sense, I saw a lot of Disney movies as a kid." I mean, I knew fat people when I was a kid, but so do most people, so.

I'm also skinny and quite un-masculine, and I've anecdotally see several other WG fetishists say the same thing. That's also pretty much my erotic fantasy, though I don't have any plans or interest in making it a reality.

As for male hatred - that does sound bad. Maybe read some more positive accounts of men? We do good things, sometimes.

Pretty much. Though that last point caused huge controversy in the DSM. Pedophiles can experience no distress, whilst still fucking children. There was bitter argument as to whether that meant it was or wasn't a mental illness.

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There are still people being distressed in that situation, the children or their parents

It makes the experience feel more intense, like choking

Other peoples distress is a poor criteria, though. There are people who get distressed over homosexuality, old people wanting to have sex, and wanting to get a weird haircut. That's not grounds for calling them mental illnesses.

For the record, though, I do agree that treating pedophilia as a mental illness is probably a good paradigm to be working in.

Executrix/gts are the most lit fetishes.

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I've never been a masochist or into choking but I used to asphyxiate myself while jerking off solely because it made orgasms more intense. I moved from using my hand to usng a kerchief around my neck and nearly blacked out once so I stopped but I miss those intense orgasms.

It must be horrible to feel that way. I think Necrophelia is even more disturbing than pedophilia, but not wrong necessarily.

She has a fucking gunt

>That's not grounds for calling them mental illnesses.

It is a common ground for mental illness. A child in distress from a pedo forcing themselves on them is behavioral norm violation that has effects on social function. This post is the height of liberal bugman morality where everyone is an isolated moral universe and there is no difference between pedo rapists and a haircut. You're a sick piece of shit that should have your head fucking smashed in.

You're into women who have the same fat distribution as me, and I'm absolutely disgusting.

Lol, u mad?

"Causing social distress is not grounds for being labelled mentally ill" was my point. I literally just said that I think pedophilia should probably be viewed as a mental illness (given it causes enormous distress in non-practicing pedophiles, and terrible social damage in those who do practice).

We're not isolated moral universes because we're each possessed of a moral code that is, in most ways, identical. It is immediately obvious that there is a difference between fucking a child and getting a haircut, and equally obvious that that is contrary to the morals of almost every human being alive.

You are half a step above retarded, and would scarcely be dumber if you did have your head smashed in.

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not the guy above but is this some new trolling method where people assert and deny the same thing in a post? no wonder he is mad with you because you aren't really making any sense at all.

That's fair.

1) Mental illness is a social construction. Depending on how you define it, something is or isn't one.

2) Right now the DSM-5 defines paraphilic disorder - partially - as requiring distress on the part of the patient. Under this definition, pedophilia is not a mental illness.

3) I disagree with the definition offered by the DSM-5, and believe that a propensity to cause social disruption - of a certain magnitude - is grounds for a condition being a mental illness. Under this definition, pedophilia is a mental illness.

This. All other answers are false.

This seems like a good thread to post this in—does anyone else deal with extreme guilt due to the nature of certain fetishes, or sexual history in general? For me it was porn addiction as a younger teenager, and fetish-escalation. I used to get off to taboo things, especially situations where things like familial taboos were being broken or ones having to do with age or rank. I feel the most guilty about looking at things like incestous stories on this very website, as up until recently I had never considered the possibility of there being abuse or involved or anything like that.

Keep in mind that, of course, I’ve only ever seen legal things. I’m not totally irredeemable, but it just feels like my experience came close to real perversion, and it disturbs me.

I also have OCD btw.

Is it inherently impossible to create a working system with the same goal as the DSM 5, one which attempts to define and diagnose all psychological disorders? Should all pyschological societal disruptions be examined on a case-by-case basis?

I feel similarly and also have OCD

I think for me it's a feeling of shame, about what other people would think if they knew I was into WG. I also did used to feel enormously guilty about having the desire at all. I've made peace with it, though. Masturbating to hentai and erotica isn't hurting anyone.

What is real perversion, and why does it disturb you?

Not at all. The DSM-5 does its job just fine. The problem is in trying to decide where to draw the boundary line of mental illness. There's no objectively correct answer to that, and there'll always be disagreement.

Fun stuff while growing up until realizing purity is inescapable

You seem incredibly well-read. Thank you for the long response. Why do you think "these" paraphilias (a word I'd never heard before) specifically have manifested? Pedophilia, for example? I spoke with another user here recently about how we both felt that many pedophiles are still children themselves, in their psyche and mental capacity, who never outgrew the age group of those who later became their targets. To explain this, would we simply have to say that a "wire crossing" simply tended towards such a developmental disorder, and our explanation could go no further than this?

Your fetish being parallel with that of your sibling is very intriguing to me; here I am, thinking that you people on this site are just of a very strange nature, and, discovering certain areas contrary to conventional standards, somehow wound up attracted to something in them, by virtue of a looser moral constitution in you guys (not trying to be rude, but people here can be quite degenerate, if I can say that). But that fact, about your brother ending up with the exact same attraction as you, changes my mind. Can you explain more, about why you are fond of such a (strange, to me) thing? Fat is unattractive, unhealthy and unvirtuous in character (i.e displays nothing positive about a person's character). What makes you find sexual appeal in it? You mention brain architecture, but what connects the brain to such a specific phenomena?

Do you have any links on asexuality? I have never really seen myself as such, and only lately am I realizing maybe this isn't so normal after all. In highschool, I watched all my male peers enter relationships, and pursue romantic and sexual relations with girls, while I myself simply felt "distant" to that side of things. I was still going through puberty at the time, being a late bloomer, but at this point I'm 23 and have no such excuses for it. I've tried to explain it to 4chanons before and they've definitely suggested it to be "unusual". I don't feel a "connection" to my "member". It just feels like an organ of sensation, a patch of texture. And while I do unfortunately touch it sometimes, it's not a "sexual" activity for me, but a "textural" one. I do it to feel the textural sensation on that patch of flesh, and I don't watch any penetrative media. The only fetish I've ever had in my life regarding sex was f*cials, and that's because I felt "repressed" inside, and found the act to represent "release" and also "beauty" and "intimacy" since the face is the most personal and beautiful part of someone, and if a lady let you do that to her it meant, to my mind, that she must love you. It was a gesture of release, beauty, and caring for me. I want to be cared for, is all I want. And no, nothing sexual to it. I just want to be held. Every single day. And kissed on my face, as in, my cheeks. And to lie down against a girl, with her being the big one and me the small one. (1/2)

>the best thread on the literature board is the thread talking about sexual fetishes
the absolute state

This has been a very interesting discussion, gentlemen, but I would like to propose a notion: that the most literary fetishes are those that are completely impossible to fulfill in real life.

Thanks. I'm a medical researcher by training who moonlights as a sexologist. Honestly most of what I know comes from listening to interviews with the Toronto sexologists (you can find them on Youtube; just search for James Cantor, Ray Blanchard, and Michael Bailey), as well as reading a few papers and observing the trans community for a while.

"Paraphilia" is basically just the fancy scientific word for fetish, which I suppose I only use because it carries a bit less stigma. There's a lot we don't know about how and why pedophilia develops, and most of it is still grounded in speculation. In that instance, I would suspect it would be tied to the lower average IQ of pedophiles, and perhaps also the prevalence of autopedophilia; in which many pedophiles are aroused by the idea of themselves as children. I can't really comment on anything beyond that.

Sure. I guess as an analogy, I'd ask why you're attracted to vaginas. They're visually quite unappealing, and occasionally carry infectious disease. For most men, something in their brain just recognises the vagina as something that should grant an erection when it's looked at. In much the same way, looking at larger women, or imagining women gaining weight, both give me an erection. It's not something I chose, and I can't really explain it beyond "This is how it is."

I'm afraid I know almost nothing about asexuality, as I said - you could try going to google scholar, typing the word in, and then reading some of the scientific research you find there.

I do know that some asexuals report still being able to form romantic attachments, while not feeling aroused. They tend to separate themselves out into things like "Asexual/heteroromantic," for example. That may be akin to what you have. But it also sounds like you could benefit from seeking advice from a real profesional.

samefagging, but

For example, the fetish for being magically transformed into an object, or the fetish for women with multiple extra limbs/heads. A quick browse through the established board offers a plethora of fetishes that are totally impossible to fulfill - the greater the absurdity, the more hopeless the realization of desire becomes, does this not strike you as literary?

I want to suckle from her, all the time. When we're both home from work, I want to right away hug her and hold onto her, and then bring her to the bed, and have her lie down and be comfortable, and then let her go on her phone, while I lift her shirt up and suckle from her. When we sleep, beside eachother, her holding me, I want to suckle from her until we both drift off. In the morning, after waking, I want to resume suckling for a bit until we both wake up. I want her to read us bedtime stories, and for me to similarly be either suckling or with my head wedged into her neck while she does so. I want her to give us a bubblebath, and shampoo my hair into a fauxhawk. Like David's mommy Monica did for him in Artificial Intelligence by Spielberg. I want her to put soap on me and keep me clean, and then praise me after for being such a clean, good boy. My laugh, in person, is child-like. I have a kind of problem, wherein I feel so overwhelmed with giggling a lot, that it bursts out uncontrollably and sounds like a child's equivalent. I don't know if I'm putting on an "act" in the vein of what I want to be, or if this is really me. I don't know. I think I have picked up "learned helplessness" over time, because I have ADHD and have had a lot of struggles in life because of it. Maybe that's part of why I regressed/never fully matured.

Is any of this "okay" for you? As someone who knows about paraphilias, does this count as one? And does it have an existing class, among them? Do I need to work on ridding myself of this, or on manifesting it in reality? Can you please just offer me some advice on this? I've obviously never told my parents, or sister, or even my friends for the most part (all the stuff about suckling never, but I have mentioned recently to one about my desire to be the "submissive" one in a relationship and whether any girls are okay with that arrangement), and I don't have much real-person advice for it...

To add one final note to earlier: I feel no desire to "penetrate" at all, it doesn't feel normal at all, just an unnatural movement of the pelvis, and the only thing felt there is literally the texture and pleasure itself. I'm pretty depressed so to supplant my lack of happiness I often pursued the pleasure that came from stimulating myself there, but it doesn't feel "sexual" for me, and I don't even conceive of penetration during it. There just feels like a disconnect between myself and my sexual organs, and certainly an absence of sexual desire/libido.

Oh, sorry, I meant to respond to "you" regarding "caring" in my earlier post, and it not being sexual. Yes, I agree about social constructions. But I personally hold to the belief in such a standard, embodied socially or not, and try to align with whatever that is.

I'd happily have discussions like these on visual novels as well, but the mods keep deleting those threads when I try (and I don't want to discuss them with gamers; it's awful).

I've also tried to start a couple of discussions like these on /d/, but I think everyone's too busy masturbating to take much interest.

You may be onto something.

yeah sure whatever. you are a tease for real and not a lesbian

Absolutely. I'm working on a visual novel at the moment, and I've been toying with writing that kind of story when I'm done. The main plan is to write a very likeable, very sympathetic main character who is eventually revealed to be a non-practicing tormented pedophile. Basically any difficult fetish could fulfill the same role, though. I've never spoken with vorephiles or others who can't really pursue their fetish, but I imagine it must be very difficult.

You're not hurting anyone, so I don't think there's any reason to think it isn't okay. If it's not sexual in nature, it may not be a paraphilia. I'm sorry, but I really don't think I can give you the answers you're after. I'd really advise finding a therapist who can maybe point you in the right direction.

If you do want to run the general social paradigm, that's absolutely fine. Just be sure you're not holding yourself to an arbitrary standard that's making you miserable.

I meant real perversion as in the desire to harm others, or the need to act out. I’m talking about pedophiles, rapists, manipulators, etc. I just feel as if people could plausibly place me in the same category as those who are truly deranged if they felt like it, even though it would probably be off-base and unfair.

I successfully stopped being aroused by kids.

Fertility
The ancients were fans, and it's the most life-affirming fetish

Ah. Yeah, there is a tendency to lump all sexual deviants into the "fucked in the head" bin and to leave it at that. Fuck 'em, I guess. Assuming you're fapping to stuff in which nobody was harmed against their will or coerced into having it done, I don't think it's a problem.

I'll look into those figures. I've only heard of Blanchard, and am vaguely aware they wrote about AGP or something relating to trans people. Nothing else, though. This world seems quite interesting.

Oh, don't worry. I'm not into vaginas. They are extremely unappealing. Not much into bum, either. Just breasts. And of course the rest of the body, but in the aesthetic way and not a way I want to interact with.

But is there not some sort of psychological connection you can elucidate regarding it? Namely, a person with a c*koldry fetish typically likes the humiliation of it, the racial aspect of it, the encroachment on homosexual territory, etc, which explain the connection of that thing to them. Any fetish could presumably be explained by that regard. A foot lover may appreciate the inherent submissiveness of lowering oneself lower than the lowest part of the body, which is associated with uncleanliness, they might like the shape of the soles, the playfulness inherent to the feeling of one's feet as a body part, submitting to a woman, etc. I just imagine that any paraphilia should be able to expand into such a list of attributes.

And thank you, I'll look into that then. I thought you may have had general, peripheral knowledge of it. Honestly I thought asexuality was just a meme-sexuality that tumblrites invented to make themselves feel unique, and maybe that's part of it, but maybe it had reality too. I'll look into scholarly publishings on it.

You mentioned autopedophilia; it's just funny because people post pictures of cute young anime girls on here, and lately I've been looking and "identifying" with that child-form. Seeing small limbs, and such blemishless skin, and wanting to be that. I don't know if this is a further dysfunction or not...

Could you elaborate? Were you previously almost exclusively aroused by children? How long did it go on for? How did you get over it?

I guess I like the softness of how larger women feel, the fact there's a lot of them to hug. As well, the general roundness can be nice.

On the weight gain side, I think the notion of something pristine being corrupted by an insatiable desire of some kind is what I find most hot. I suppose there's something exciting about seeing something destroyed, but I don't have a very positive rationalization for it.

Yeah, I'm really sorry I don't. I think it's a real thing, and I wish I could help you more.

And it could be. People with paraphilias often have more than one.

>Were you previously almost exclusively aroused by children? No, but i was more arousing than anything else.
>How long did it go on for? I remember being aroused by some shit on google images when i was in my mid teens and i got over it when i was about 20 or so.
>How did you get over it? I don't know, it just happened. Sometimes i suspect that i may have replaced it with jerking off to animals since i feel like that started around the same period. I wasn't aware of all this happening in real time though, so its fuzzy.

That's interesting - replacing it with another fetishistic interest would make sense. I'm not sure the public would accept zoophilia as a cure for pedophilia... but I suppose it could be a step in the right direction. Had you been aroused by animals since a younger age, or did that only arouse around when you were twenty?

>I'm working on a visual novel at the moment, and I've been toying with writing that kind of story when I'm done. The main plan is to write a very likeable, very sympathetic main character who is eventually revealed to be a non-practicing tormented pedophile.

Absolutely based. You could have a series of routes in which the MC helps a character come to terms with various unacceptable fetishes - necrophilia, corprophilia, amputation, and so on, but perhaps a few totally fantastical ones, as well. Vore and unbirthing are something of an easy bridge to that, since the core appeal - to be in the belly or anal cavity of a mother/devourer, surrounded completely, subordinate to the body of another in the ultimate abdication of responsibility and personhood - is a decent "hook" for the normie player. Hell, this thread alone has plenty of material.

I think that in all likelihood you fall under the demisexual category - meaning that you can only really understand your own libido in the context of an intense emotional bond. You wish to be loved, and your ideal of love is the maternal image because you haven't really fallen in love with anyone yet. Your ADHD will, in all likelihood, make your sexual experiences profoundly intense and overwhelming; your brain isn't seeking sex in and of itself, it requires a context of complete trust.

Imagine your fantasy lover taking your hand in a relatively public environment where no one can actually see what's happening, and absentmindedly kissing each of your (clean) fingernails, in sequence, and then back again, before squeezing it and letting your still-clasped hands lie between the two of you. A glance in their direction, and you can see a contented smile.

Did it appeal to you? Can you sense perhaps the promise of closer attention later, do you imagine the brush of skin meeting yours, can you imagine a scent both familiar and heart-seizing?

If you can enjoy that fantasy in a manner similar to the other ones, I think your only real issue is that you haven't pushed at the boundaries of your imagination.

I wasn't sexually aroused by them but when i was a teenager i remember making a bunch of jokes about fucking horses over the course of a month. I stopped after i began to realise that i was starting to think about sex whenever i looked at a horse, i stopped and the association went away.
I wasn't aroused but i made an association.

Actually when i finally did start jerking off to them i wasn't aroused by them either, I don't want to explain this barrel of autism but i just felt like i "should" and intentionally conditioned myself into fapping to it.
Now i only jerk off to horses and old women.

Yeah, I was thinking of doing a Planescape:Torment kind of deal, where every character is tormented by some innate contradiction in their nature, though set in a modern city and not the Dungeons and Dragons afterlife. I think it'd be neat. The only other stories I know which heavily feature paraphiles are Lolita and the Drakengard games; the first of which featured a pedophile as a playable character (and it was not done for jokes).

That's... super handy. I've tried fapping to ordinary pornography because I "should," but it didn't help me, unfortunately.

Is this kind of like being able to condition yourself into fapping to anything?

Oh, absolutely read A Death in Venice, then. It'd be disrespectful to the quality of the work to call it the homosexual equivalent to Lolita, but - there's a reason it gets namedropped alongside it, and the protagonist is much more similar to the type of main character you're going for.