Why does Yea Forums hate Dickens?

Why does Yea Forums hate Dickens?

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This has already been settled. psueds dislike Dickens, but patricians recognize his limitations.

He's a moralizing, wordy anglo twat
(There are of course good writers hailing from England and the British Isles, but Dicky isn't one of them)

What are his limitations?
>moralizing
What does this even mean?
>anglo twat
Please keep your xenophobia to yourself.

Too many words for them.
They wish Dickens was a woman

Pretty much this. He's a superb writer with huge strengths in certain areas, and some pretty obvious weaknesses. Even if he's not to your taste, he's a massive influence on subsequent writers, especially Dostoevsky. Only a pseud writes him off completely

who doesnt have “limitations”? i really think great expectations, bleak house and possibly even david copperfield are masterworks. i can see that a board like lit would prefer other 19th century realists like dosto james norris zola etc , but these guys have limitations too. they are just seen to the common pleb as “darker” (which isnt necessarily true) so the edgelords on 4 chan rank them higher

Oh, I'm with you.
Dickens is a lot like Spielberg. Undergraduates who've done one semester of film theory and seen one Robert Bresson movie can think they're clever because they can spot some obvious things he's done 'wrong' and think that makes him a 'bad', filmmaker, and its easy to show off a little 'oh, I don't care for Spielberg, he's too commercial/sentimental etc.' As if the guy who made Jaws and Raiders isn't a fucking genius.
Likewise Dickens is an easy target, too long, too sappy, not serious enough etc, as if the guy who wrote Oliver Twist isn't a fucking genius too.

>tfw defending dickens is now the cool thing to do because normies hate him
Just admit it, it's impossible to find his works truly great. Dickens is garbage.

Anyone who thinks Pickwick Papers isn't truly great is a swine

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>normies hate him
Dickens is probably the first name normies would think of if you asked them to name a classic writer, after maybe Shakespeare or Austen

yeah, then ask what they think about him

Normie here, Dickens is great

Dickens is the ultimate pleb filter

Normies are turned off by the length of his books
Pseuds are turned off by his sentimentality and moralizing

Only those who can appreciate the casual yet formal beauty of his craftsmanship, the sheer joy of witnessing the English sentence being pushed to its absolute fullest creative potential, can truly process Dickens

Dickens is the technical master of the Victorian novel
- master of character
- master of mood
- master of dialogue
- master of plot
- master of scene
- master of description
- master of symbolic language
- master of the English language in general

Bleak House > Gravity's Rainbow

>Normies are turned off by the length of his books
I'm sorry but some of his books have no business being 900+ pages. I do still love A Christmas Carol tho.

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>Low-tier: hating Dickens for being long-winded and “boring”
>Mid-tier: thinking Dickens is the greatest of all time
>High-tier: unironically loving dickens, finding him immensely entertaining and hilariously funny, wishing his books were longer and that there were more of them, but recognizing his limitations

Dickens was a such a qt when he was a young man.

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I liked Orwell’s essay on Dickens
He pointed out that aside from writing, he thought all work was drudgery
And that the solution to society’s problems was nicer bosses

Oliver Twist is a solid 3/5. If there's a single character in all of Dickens, please direct me to the book, sincerely. I've read Christmas Carol and Twist and so far concluded the man was a literary caricature artist.

Dostoevesky seems to have taken his effluence and paired it with psychology, and the result is a thousand times stronger.

But I'm not a learned guy, so I would appreciate if someone told me where the best of Dickens lies.

I’d say the best Dickens is Bleak House or Great Expectations, but I’m no expert. Great Expectations is a bit fantastical in the same way as Oliver Twist, I put it in the good YA category with Treasure Island, so maybe try Bleak House.

>A Tale of Two Cities literally ends with a devoted no-nonsense English nanny who refused to learn French, suplexing a Parisian slum women hell bent on massacring entire families in cold blood for the crimes of a previous generation
Dickens was a mad man

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His novels are high key page turners tbfh, I opened A tale of two cities really young and just coudent stop flipping through he really knows how to create a plot

Dickens is great, who doesnt like Dickens?

...super comfy characters, clever English sentences, genuine humor, page-turning elaborate plots, and a delightful and very human moralism throughout. Whats there not to like?

to quote Orwell's essay, "Charles Dickens",
>In Dickens's novels anything in the nature of work happens off stage...

>As soon as he has to deal with trade, finance, industry or politics he takes refuge in vagueness or in satire.

>Dickens sees human beings with the most intense vividness, but he sees them always in private life, as 'characters', not as functional members of society; that is to say, he sees them statically.

it's a cool essay if you're into Dickens. I've only read A Tale of Two Cities, so I didn't;t appreciate as much as I would if I were more familiar with his work.

I'm a fan. I loved A Tale of Two Cities. Just purchased Our Mutual Friend. Looking forward to it.

Dickens novels vary considerably. You've got your melodramatic victorian plots, a couple of first person novels, and then A Tale of Two Cities and Hard Times, which actually manage to consistently revolve around a central event.

>If there's a single character in all of Dickens
He's probably the greatest creator of characters since Shakespeare, what are you talking about?

Pickwick is pretty good too

They were meant to be read in installments.

Orwell was actually autistic and thought all art needed to be political propaganda.

I think Orwell was writing specifically in response to the claim that Dickens is some sort of proto-socialist

A tale of two cities was pretty good. Especially the way it presents revenge and the revolution.

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We don’t? That’s generally the impression I get from this board.