Why is this still the best analysis of inceldom? isn't this a radically understudied sociological phenomena?

>incels feel they are owed sex
This is a blatant falsehood that leads to idiots like this taking it up as a banner in negation.

I'm a few pages in, but sadly not much has been said yet. I'll read on, as I like Zizek.

That said, I'm really bored by now of the materialism, or, to be more specific, the use of economic terms to discuss everything. Zizek adopts the same language as almost everybody who talks about incels, and in particuar they themselves. He uses a Marxian language to describe what the incels (among others) call the sexual marketplace and he goes from there, opening up the capital liberalism-communism dichotomy. That's boring and so - to answer your question - I can't quite believe that this would be the best analysis.

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>a blog about moldbug (a blogger about blogging politics)
Please...

going by the incel scriptures of Elliot Rodgers, yes, the feeling of being owed sex, or worse, being cheated out of sex is a major factor
if you know of anything better let me know

Why are so many analyses of incels vitriolic and heated? Do the authors suffer from the delusion that if they squash the mean losers, they'll get laid themselves?

But they do. Incels act as if sex were a commodity supplied by women, and that they have been cut out of the market.

Lmao, is it another bullshit overcomplicated nonsense. Inceldom is easy - men feel bad when they are denied the fulfilment of their natural desire to have sex and relationships. This is caused by the nature of the sexual market with liberated women

t. incel

>We thus enter a cruel world of brutal power games masked as a noble struggle of victims against oppression. One should recall here Oscar Wilde’s saying: “Everything in life is about sex, except sex. Sex is about power.” Some partisans of #MeToo talk about sex, but their position of enunciation is that of power and of those who don’t have it, of course. Following Wilde, they reduce sex to a power game, and what they exclude from their position of enunciation is precisely and simply sex.

youtube.com/watch?v=fD2briZ6fB0

Unironically the best channel on youtube.

Is there even one redeeming factor of an incel? There is literally nothing there to admire or give credit to. They are lowest of the low and probably are going to stay there wallowing in self pity and delusion. But sure, let's all be nice to them.

Its your own social failure that causes you to miss out on sex, weak genes = lack of sex because females dont want you = natural selection

Its perfect actually that incels are losing the gene game, it makes the next generation that much more adept

>Unironically the best channel on youtube.

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Elliot Rogers is hardly the model for the average incel.
That's some freshman mentality. The real disenfranchisement comes from as a result of the perceived deprival of intimacy. The average incel is a hopeless romantic, not a sex fiend.

>everyone I don't like is a leftist

*comes as

>So anyway, a shortcut to understand Bioleninism is “a coalition of people who don’t want high school jocks to rule the world”. Which is the natural state of mankind, for better or worse. I wasn’t a high school jock, but as a white man I’d rather they rule than the girls rule, so I am not Bioleninist. For the more awkward nerds in class though, they probably prefer the girls rule, out of some extremely misguided hope that the girls will be somewhat nicer to them.
Cancer. Why don't neoabsolutists take their own advice and accept the natural hierarchy? Stop writing, you're not intellectuals.

>Why don't neoabsolutists take their own advice and accept the natural hierarchy?
they do Moldbug calls it passivism, none of you guys have ever read any of them

Phenomena is the plural of phenomenon. This is an english language board about literature, please go.

See, exactly what I'm talking about.
They're just losers whinging and venting, leave them to it and do something productive.

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Call them what you will, incels view women as objects rather than human beings, that is the root of the problem

>The average incel is a hopeless romantic
what are we talking about here? involuntary celibates? or incels? because one is a class distinction but the other is a decentralized political movement which advocates for things like state distribution of sex/marriage and the disenfranchisement of women rights

> Its your own social failure that causes you to miss out on sex,
And? What does it even mean? All our lives are the results of our actions in a certain environment, you cannot separate actions from environment so I don't see any value in trying to blame anyone
> weak genes = lack of sex because females dont want you = natural selection
Well, I am sure the society will be great if only the genes which women find attractive are passed.(sarcasm)
Tho I agree about natural selection changing society, just not in a way you describe. Communities, less affected by feminism will have more kids and thus "womens rights" nonsense will slowly die out.
> Its perfect actually that incels are losing the gene game, it makes the next generation that much more adept
This is not how it works, there will still be the least desirable men even if all men improve

Women are the gatekeepers of more than just sex. Imagine actually believing that the fault lies solely with men.

Hardly, given that his/his videos were more interesting in 2014 when he was a basic bitch "skeptic" type youtuber ranting against religion.
Nick/Natalie's videos are now nice to look at, but the bulk of is is partaking in the same old leftist word redefinition

>No, Ben Sharpiro, you're actually factually wrong, because after a transition, a man IS actually a woman!

I even like Butler's theory of performativity, but this is clearly just semantics and culture war over who gets to decide what words and it's a shame Natalie falls into that estrogen induced pit.

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incel cope

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words mean*

>The real disenfranchisement comes from as a result of the perceived deprival of intimacy.
This is a defensible position but regardless of sex or intimacy, they still feel they are 'owed' something of a woman's body as a result of that deprivation. That lack isn't just a non-thing they are unable to possess, the lack is a constitutive part of their identity. You could argue that this is a hopeless romantic's investment in an unattainable fantasy, but I would go one step further and argue that it fetishises the experience of deprival itself. They don't really want a woman; what they want is to feel as though the world has done them an injustice, because then they no longer have to take responsibility for their failure to find a partner.

did you even watch the video? she has gotten shitloads of flak for saying that gender is inherently performative and that transwomen who just transitioned are not yet fully women, until they learn to perform in society as a women and see themselves reflected as such.

>They don't really want a woman; what they want is to feel as though the world has done them an injustice,
No im pretty sure they just a woman

I don't think you know many incels if you think them hopeless romantics. They consider women to be alien objects beyond empathy. In their view, sex/intimacy is a product used as a bargaining chip to advance cynical individualistic desires.

The former, obviously. The latter is a strawman.

>she

No, he's right.
If they just wanted a woman they'd pay an escort.

the thing that gets me is you see the pics posted on incel forums and they aren't all that ugly. most are totally average people who could go on tinder and hook up with totally average women, but that's not what they want. I don't think the other user is right about them wanting an injustice, but I think they have been sold an image (largely as a result of advertising and mass media) that everyone is one nice guy move away from a 10/10 blonde white woman from falling madly in love with you. have you even seen an incel thread rating women? the way they act you would imagine each of them were gigachad

Sure, I've seen it when it came out.
But firstly, if you pull a Plato and let a bunch of characters speak out various positions, I don't let you get away with whatever your proponents like most. Contrapoints clearly clings to an irrationality that wasn't there before, so her videos gotten worse in content.

>"Confirmation surgery"... is actually the right term!.
No, it's not. Contra is just completely attached to his/her inner conflicts which disenfranchises everyone but m2f trans people.
Globally pretending that green is also yellow because of some color blind people is not how your communist utopia can look like in the end.

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There have been more than enough mass killings by incels to at least recognize it as a movement. Putting your fingers in your ears isn't helping anyone.

>This is superficial and does not meet my rigorous academic standards
He's literally too scared to just say he doesn't agree ay lmao

If the impression of incels that you get is one in which women are viewed purely as objects, after years of "tfw no gf" posts on this site and across the entire internet, then maybe you should take a step back and consider your own ideological convictions. There is VERY clearly a messianic image or madonna/whore distinction that the incel places on a desirable woman. They are not mere sex objects, they are what the incel percieves as a metaphysical ideal which will rescue them from their own mediocrity.

Thing is, it's average looks combined with massive social ineptness.

He thinks that gender is chromosomaly defined
>Watch the fucking video(s) cuck

You're attributing a coordinated political platform to a (by your own admission) loose cultural category.

oh lord, do you get mad at people for saying islamic terrorism too?

I like how incels turn both sides into rabid social darwinists

> cope
No
Not true. I think only a tiny minority of incels would post their photos on incel forums, after SPLC said that "incels" is a neo-nazi terrorist organisation.

> most are totally average people who could go on tinder and hook up with totally average women, but that's not what they want.
No, this is exactly what we want, and no, we can't do it.

> everyone is one nice guy move away from a 10/10 blonde white woman from falling madly in love with you.
This is not true

> have you even seen an incel thread rating women? the way they act you would imagine each of them were gigachad
It doesn't matter how incels rate women, if they still would date with the ones whom they rated low

>coordinated
I specifically used the word decentralized...

Everyone is a social darwinist

They want a woman dissolved of all notable features or unique personality traits, who embodies whatever dichotomous or contradictory states a man might project onto her. An incel's ideal woman is quite literally a 2D waifu because their idea of femininity is so detached from its reality that they can only connect with a static archetype of womanhood. A real woman is too much for an incel to deal with, guaranteed

I have no stake in this debate, but I think you underestimate the difficulty an "autist" has in getting laid with a girl on tinder. Getting a stranger to meet them via text needs some calibration and demonstration of empathy/humor or banter and all those things.

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Gender as anything is human-defined, but a meaningful definition has to be grounded in biological reality
> watch
No, it's disgusting

I'm not an autist and cant use tinder and cant text for shit to get laud. But I go to raves or whatever and get laid just fine. Shits a different ballpark desu

Not "me" btw.

I think I've watched all contra videos.
I hope there will be more raw meat cutting and eggs and vegatable bathing scenes, which is what Contra started his/her "avant garde" video making with one, two years ago.

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I got rated 3/10 on a /soc/ thread.

>This is not true
fucking duh, that was my point user. the fact you needed to say that makes me think you really were sold it as a narrative. Look, I was incel. I didn't get laid till I was in my 20's. It was my self-esteem and depression that held me back. But I never identified with incel. I felt awful (still do) but I now can recognize that the emptiness stems from the postmodern condition, not the lack of tinder sluts. in fact, turns out banging 5/10's off tinder made me feel even shittier. Volcel is the only liberation for inceldom, going through to the end is never what you wanted it to be. Or, if you must, hire a hooker; it's probably easier/less stressful.

The self-pity is usually secondary to some failure around or outside of them. Stop trying to attribute motives where there is no necessary implication of one existing.

You sounds like mentalcel, not every incel is like you
> banging 5/10's off tinder made me feel even shittier. Volcel is the only liberation for inceldom,
Well, the correct course of action is taking the power and fixing society so we can finally get loyal wives. Tho at this point I may even be close to a volcel, who cares, I've missed my young years so fuck it

>They are not mere sex objects
I never said they were, I said its a question of their entitlement over women's bodies (IE regardless of whether that entitlement concerns sexual acts or intimacy like cuddling or authentic conversation). I agree about the madonna whore complex though, if anything they want a woman to be both at the same time and are invariably enraged when no one lives up to their ridiculous expectations.

Also my point about the lack functioning as a constitutive part of their identity is essentially a metaphysical point, the idea being if they just had this one girl who loved them unconditionally, then they could be a good or decent human being. Trouble is it says very little as to the quality of their character as an individual.

So you admit that there is an ideal that incels see in women beyond some sort of sexual object.

> This is a defensible position but regardless of sex or intimacy, they still feel they are 'owed' something of a woman's body as a result of that deprivation.
This is a dishonest framing? If you experience bad feelings like pain or something else, and want them to end, do you feel "entitled" for the bad feelings to stop, do you feel that you are "owned" the bad feelings to be taken away?

Sex isnt even that good and women are terrible companions in most cases. I'd be fag and gaypilled if I wasnt so repulsed by the idea.

>implying mentalcel's can't be ugly
I'm certainly on the spectrum and have one of the weakest chins imaginable. There is no course of action to fix society, user, there is no way out of this. There is no tradpill reversal or state enforced utopia.

Wrong.
This guy gets it. I did have sex once, and honestly it was just masturbating with more effort, because I wasn't attracted to the girl and she made it feel like she is doing me a favor. I can get along just fine without sex. What I truly crave is someone who wants me as much as I want them, who is happy to spend time with me, share intimate moments with me, someone I can have a good conversation with, laugh with, disagree upon things and study each other. Sex just intensifies it.

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I wasn't describing their self-pity, I was describing their indignation. Some may pity themselves for things beyond their control, but others will go beyond and feel genuine rage and resentment over it. This latter reaction is precisely what makes the incel a worrying and unpredictable figure

did you ever think you were the outlier and not everyone else?

Sounds like we need a solution, a final one perhaps for the incel menace

>I never said they were, I said its a question of their entitlement over women's bodies
You and I both know these are basically the same thing under whatever Butlerian ontology you're operating under. Lrn 2 metaphysics.

What I mean by mentalcel is your mental conditions were the reasons why you are an incel, not your looks. You may still be ugly, but be good looking enough to fuck females. Like I am short, my face looks like a pig with lots of acne which I cannot cure, but I don't really have social anxiety or similar shit, so my incledom, compared to yours, is caused by my looks.

Noone says utopia, just a better place than today, and on the "state enforced" part, the state would probably be smaller if it didn't have to enforce all the women's rights

This is very good:
theanarchistlibrary.org/library/dominique-karamazov-the-poverty-of-feminism
From the 70s, so it does not discuss 'incels' as we know them, however, it does discuss female fantasies of rape and the contradiction inherent in feminist opposition to rape: both that targets are poor and often immigrants, which must be denied, and that the problem of rape is generally overdetermined because of the racket-like nature of feminism.
This is coming from an anarchist/far-left perspective, so it is interesting in that the ideas anticipated the alt-right position some 40 years later, and gives much clearer answers. Much of this comes down to the distance from sexual desire which contradicts a society supposedly based upon freedom and individual will. Instead of sexual liberation women find themselves increasingly repressed, sex simply cannot live up to the celebratory and spectacular nature of society, its openness - and so the rape fantasy represents the vast divide between men and women, a great collective sexual dissatisfaction.
Of course, the other great cause of feminism was abortion, which is a medicalised implementation of aseptic death. It is interesting that there is such a pole shift between the question of violent sex and the necessity of right over death. The depth of the problem here should be clear: it is a loss of identity that causes this war between the sexes. More specifically, the moment of sexual liberation coincides with the loss of a woman's motherhood - her very essence, or the apotheosis of becoming a woman. The sexual pursuit is not only empty in terms of its desire, but in terms of its production, and spirituality.

incels aren't dogpiled for saying that they're lonely and sad. There are loads of guys like that on the feminist left

they get in shit because they say 'red pill' type things. And anybody who says that stuff gets in trouble, doesn't matter if you're married or incel. The incels are just a lot lower status so it compounds with how inflammatory that subject matter is

If you can call a paint-by-numbers outline of a woman an 'ideal', sure. I prefer my women to actually occupy meat space.

its a sad situation, but no one is 'entitled' to intimate company, no matter how lonely you feel. I think most incels overlook the value of friendship and non-sexual forms of companionship, and how they can provide fulfilment and develop your character into something that women might find attractive. Rather than putting the work in, however, many of these men are too easily resigned to their fate.

Honestly I don't know any incels. I know it's guys who have a hard time getting with girls so I gave myself another title because I fit the bill.

We can very easily imagine the problem of the incel within these terms, as for man the problem is twofold. Unlike woman he loses both his own identity and that of the other (threefold if we consider the endless violence against unborn children, and fourfold when we consider the loss of community and the insistence of women of controlling the few synthetic communities which remain). It is no mistake that incels tend to have a mommy fetish. Most critics miss the mark completely when focusing solely on sex, as when you look into what these boys want it is not at all pure biological sex. They want a mother figure, and it is often times that sex is a secondary factor, or can be nearly written out of the equation. When we take a sympathetic perspective we see that incels are deeply wounded human beings, they have completely lost their own identities while also losing the very possibility of love and procreation; all while being punished and exiled for trying to communicate this void. They are the cut-in-half- infant offered to the lady of the night who sides with the false judgement.
And in this we see that the Chad is merely the other half, the severed infant who can only live on if he identifies and chooses the woman who is coldly content in his destruction. They are all the more monstrous because the mother figure who is supposed to look past their being has taken up an even greater form of monstrosity. Each is a judgement against wisdom, and each will be a further dividing of the monstrosity and contentment in getting something, anything. Until judgement itself is impossible, and until the judge himself is divided - severed in half as a question of fate.

One of the hardest things to accept is that there is no such thing as too ugly for a guy. Steven Hawkings cheated on his wife. If you are talented or rich or powerful or a combination of the three you will get women regardless of looks, unless you are too shy/insecure to talk to them. Just take out a loan, and get a high paying degree.

Also, that's not the correct interpretation of how a madonna/whore complex would come to create this image. It is the embodiment of the Madonna that is never fulfilled, not the confluence of the Madonna and Whore. Hence, all women become whores outside of the ideal which does not exist, since many incels fail to come to the realization that Platonic love is perhaps even more impossible with a woman than a man.

A common problem of the incel is that he has no lads, this is a major red flag to women. It gives you the social practice you need and if your lads arent cucked to shit you can shit talk women and say whatever misogynist feeling youre currently having to them.

>no one is 'entitled' to intimate company
Except women.
This is the other side of it. If women are to be given the rights of men in terms of sex should it not also be that men are guaranteed the rights of women? If this is so (and I'm not saying it is, I don't agree with the fundamentals of this society) then they too should be guaranteed the right to intimacy and a 'chat-up'.
Incels are simply forming their identity within the female future. They are obeying its laws, even if with too much loyalty.

> its a sad situation, but no one is 'entitled' to intimate company, no matter how lonely you feel.
And...
This means nothing. This is just a phrase. Are women entitled for the state which enforced their countless rights and privileges? This is a meaningless discussion about who is entitled to what, because everyone just takes as much as he or she can.

> I think...
Well, I've already noticed that people love to live in their imaginary world

Hawking was still a functional human back then, high status and not that ugly for his time

>If women are to be given the rights of men in terms of sex
no one gave them any right to that, it just happens to be that men will easily settle for a women they consider below them and therefore more women can find sex. no one enforces this

I mean this is the combination of looks, money, status, no-one denies it

You dont have lads if you are ugly, this is all connected

It doesn't matter. You admitted sex is only a localized aspect of the Will, so your entire argument is inavalid.

wrong, he fell in love with his nurse
>After a tracheotomy in 1985, Hawking required a nurse 24/7 and nursing care was split across 3 shifts daily. In the late 1980s, Hawking had grown close to one of his nurses, Elaine Mason, to the dismay of some colleagues, caregivers, and family members, who were disturbed by her strength of personality and protectiveness.[241] Hawking told Jane that he was leaving her for Mason,[242] and departed the family home in February 1990.[144] After his divorce from Jane in 1995, Hawking married Mason in September,[243][144] declaring, "It's wonderful – I have married the woman I love."

>It is the embodiment of the Madonna that is never fulfilled, not the confluence of the Madonna and Whore
That's not true, men don't genuinely want a Madonna. The point of the complex is that men will alternately reduce a particular real-life woman to either position, but the truth of their desire lies somewhere paradoxically in-between, a pure virgin who nevertheless knows how to do all the right sex acts to turn you on. The 'ideal' does not exist because it is a contradiction sustained by subjective contamination: 'all non-virginal women are whores except for the chaste ones deflowered by me'.

why do incels ree so hard at chads when millionaires are just as culpable then?

Did Zizek seriously just misspell Jordan Peterson's name?

Thats why you make friends with fellow ugly lads and go for relatively ugly chicks. Weve all seen these groups before

Chad's are more numerous, you probably see more chads than millionaires every day, and incles usually ree at the system as a whole

he's done this in more than one article because Zizek is a chad

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Oh, okay. If it's intentional, that's one thing.

Even ugly people don't like ugly people

They clearly did. Men created the pill and willingly participated in the sexual revolution (including acquiescing to the sex strikes of the 70s). In many ways men propped up this equality of sex for short-term gains.
But keep telling yourself this is just a natural process of sexual value...

Incels are a myth recently popularised so that the label can be used for credit oneself and discredit another. Surely there are persons who cannot have sex despite wanting to and hold various delusional views based on that, but it's not an ideology, and it certainly has nothing to do with the main beliefs (memes) prescribed to them. It's the same shit as screeching about Nazis out of nowhere, it's a refusal to engage or think, instead a full focus on social games, signaling your righteousness and your 'opponents' lack. Discourse is nonexistent in the West as exemplified by these channels:
>watching retarded youtubers who don't read or think, or are even able to come up with their own takes
I know Yea Forums is pretty bad but c'mon, there is nothing that can redeem you if these posts are sincere.

I like Zizek, but here he's not responding to Peterson's actual contentions.

I think you’re right. In a behavioral sense, I believe some people operate on frequencies of Game Theory, meaning if they find themselves able to combine with other members of society for some gain to them they will. This is what causes entire generations to kind of do stuff to the lower generation’s women.

I also think that it doesn’t matter, there are always outliers who can see past the schemes and debaucheries of modern life psychological warfare

:3

Citation please.

>Are women entitled for the state which enforced their countless rights and privileges?
women are entitled to reproductive rights and power over their own bodies. incels are not entitled to the use of a woman's body (sexual or otherwise), they must (as you put it) take as much as they can without regard for 'entitlement'. equality of opportunity vs equality of outcome and all that. Problem is they don't see it that way

not a youtube link it's an NRx blog

>t.

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Perhaps in another time and place both characteristics may have come into play when explaining such a man's sense of impropriety. However, there is now more than ever a preponderance of incels. I believe the explanation for this lies within these men never even reaching the point of being able to recognize (even if erroneously) the traits of the madonna in a woman, even before the simultaneous desire for the whore becomes the incel's representation. The incel is permanently trapped in a place where the women who would provide the pure emotional intimacy of the madonna ideal does not even exist to have that ideal projected onto her. The frustration of sexlessness is prevented from even maturing into an articulated frustration.

my fucking sides
you cant make me not like nrx though, they are the only people even sort of similar to me in thinking

>25yo virgin
>get defensive when people talk shit about incels, even though what they're talking about doesn't really apply to me (nor the literal definition of the word)
>it is what it is I guess

> women are entitled to reproductive rights and power over their own bodies.
> incels are not entitled to the use of a woman's body (sexual or otherwise)
Why? Just because you feel that they are?

> equality of opportunity vs equality of outcome and all that.
> Problem is they don't see it that way
Because there is no equality in a rigged system. If "everyone" is entitled to physical safety and the 100% ownership of their bodies, but not entitled to sex, this isn't equality, the game is rigged for the ugly guys.

This is why I don't use the words "entitled" and "right" at all, they are meaningless.

But we are already seeing the severity of effects. How could it not matter?

>If "everyone" is entitled to physical safety and the 100% ownership of their bodies, but not entitled to sex, this isn't equality
what level of mental gymnastics do I need to get to before I can understand this?

You should just try to think about what is the cause and what is the effect

How was he a womanizer if he couldn't move? seriously, how?

You are owed sex. It's a part of your general health.

>but someone will have to do it, you're advocating rape

Does advocating for housing for all mean you're advocating theft? No, you're advocating a set of relations in which there is enough distributed wealth such that people can all own or rent homes.

What incels want and are owed is a world in which women want to consent to relations with them. Surprisingly it's the everything is socially constructed school who forgets that consent too is socially constructed.

>men don't genuinely want a Madonna
And so the woman outs herself.

Utterly cringe, tranny-cels are just ascended incels.

> Surprisingly it's the everything is socially constructed school who forgets that consent too is socially constructed.
Surprisingly? Lol, just assume people are dishonest by default

Dude fuck off. I'm a beady eyed manlet framecel poor ethnic in a white country.

I can't even get other girls from my race because they are all white worshiping and exclusively date tall white men.

because it understands the meaning of what is to be a human, like Cerati said: we are escapees

Are you a deontologist or a utilitarian?

>if anything they want a woman to be both at the same time and are invariably enraged when no one lives up to their ridiculous expectations
It's usually the woman who freaks out as a result of being frozen out of sex, wherein the act itself is much more important to a woman's sense of self-validation.

A biological drive towards having sex is not the same thing as an entitlement, or are you the retard from a few weeks ago who believed that positive and normative statements were the same?

>inceldom is not an ideology
wat?

*their ability to have sex and how they are perceived during sex, not the act of sex itself.

That's a shitty analogy, because no house was ever disgusted or traumatized by its inhabitants.

It's good that we have hospitals too, but the fact that some unlucky 50 year olds have tubes coming out of their stomached doesn't mean any human should be coerced to deal with that. We have the system taking care of that otherwise (via capitalism, currently).

it's not, it's a fate.

You don't care about incels being "traumatised" tho, do you?

incels can only exist in a society that is simultaneously hypersexual, and still ultimately restrictive on sexuality (prostitution illegal). elliot rodger lived in fucking isla vista and couldn't get laid. he was an insane loser, but that'd still drive a normal dude to insanity all the same

being an incel really is just one of the endgames of socialism - "i am weak and helpless, so instead of redistributing the money for me, redistribute the pussy." its logically sound, since the entire point of money is just to get pussy anyway

You're not entitled to food or freedom of movement either, dumb nigger.

Lmao have you seen the types of retards who impregnate women these days? Humanity’s collective IQ has been dropping for generations. We’re not getting “more adept”. It’s literally the fucking opposite. In a generation or two you’ll wish you lived in a world full of incels lol

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Except that, you know, goods can be produced on demand and pussy cannot, so free sex market won't work in the same way as a free market of goods. Hong Kong and Singapore both regulate the use of the land, because with the state have the very limited land, same should apply to females.

And there is a reason socialist advocated and still advocate for female rights, demanding restrictions on sex market is not socialism

>Except that, you know, goods can be produced on demand and pussy cannot

orly?

>is there even one redeeming factor of an incel?

I can weld and I can cook some pretty mean fajitas. I’m also pretty strong. As cringy as it is to say, I could most likely beat you up in real life.

>demanding restrictions on sex market is not socialism
Huh, really? I wonder how the Soviet Union and DDR, China and North Korea views these issues.

>fajitas
Hell yeah man

You should beat up some guy in front of his gf and chances are she'll become your gf.

Unreasonable standards, you demand incels to be what, world champions? Being a decent functional human should be enough not to convict me for the lifetime suffering

Idk, Soviet Union was no different from the west back then, maybe even more feminist in certain areas

I’d rather not catch a charge my man

But I'm "owed" it, right?

>being so incel you cut your dick off

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No idea what you're talking about with the hospitals.

>no house was ever disgusted or traumatized by its inhabitants

The point is to not make people disgusting to other people and disgusted of other people.

>Surgery isn't enough to be a woman.
>You have to pretend to be a woman, genitals don't determine everything

so why did you cut your dick off, tho

>"""""""adept""""""

I absolutely refuse to believe you could not get pussy, even if you have a literal bloody hole for a face if your fajitas are really as good as you say they are. What did you do, leave when she told you, stop talking to her when she called you weird? Those are pussy tests, idiot.

Why can’t incels see their celibacy for the good that it is? A significant other—or simply the pursuit of one—is a huge time sink. They could use their free time to better themselves by working out, reading, pursuing interests, etc. but instead complain about their virginity. Many of the most important men in history (Jesus, Newton, and many more) refused to have sex and wound up just fine. I’m pretty awkward and have never had a girlfriend. But am I going to go on the internet and complain about? No, I’m going to read interesting books, go backpacking, finish my degree, and try to become healthier. It’s time these guys stopped crowding their celibacy as a wrong perpetuated by society and start seeing it as an opportunity to become a ‘Chad’.

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Jesus look at the fit on that jacket! Look, if you're going to commit to a leather jacket (and it is a commitment) you have to go all in, you have to do it right. The fit has to be spot on if you aren't really fat. Since he's merely shlubby he would have to do better.
The jacket is way too big for him. It's sagging off his shoulders, loose around the chest while tight around his gut. Then there's the real problem: the arms.
Is this guy married? If he is he's married to a tranny. No woman would let there man walk out with sleeves that fit that obtusely. Look at his left arm dangling (awkwardly.) See how far the jacket dangles past his wrist. It overreaches so far that it looks like he has to unbutton or unzip the sleeves just so he can use his hands. It's as if he's a child wearing his dad's jacket.
Don't get me started on the faux-distress on the sleeves. No.
No, no, no.
And a shitty white button down underneath?
Nah, dude. No!
The jeans are ok, but he manages to fuck up again with that belt! Look at the whole of the pic, even though it's color corrected he's going: white shirt, black/blueish/silver jacket, blue jeans. Ok. But the belt is BROWN with a copper-colored buckle. Why, dude? No!
Don't get me started on the glasses and the hairstyle.
Fuck!

Because not only are they aesthetically disadvantaged, they're mentally retarded as well.

what question
there is no question
they're just awkward or ugly
not everything is some big goddamn mystery

based

> Jordan Petersen

We literally solved this problem thousands of years ago, and it is only in the last 50-100 years that things have degenerated.
Reinstitute marriage as the bedrock of society, make sure that everyone gets a spouse through arranged marriages. The well endowed in looks and wealth have a greater bargaining position to pick a high quality mate, so they benefit, while the low are coupled with their peers of the opposite gender, and only the most maladjusted are left out. Today there is no security, no balance of power, and half of all males have nothing they should have said, they should just wither away and accept being bred out of existence. True nazi eugenic dystopia right here, and people refuse to see the writing on the wall.

Have you ever considered how alien the sexual ecosystem is nowadays? Imagine an college campus, and all the casual, easy sex happening in every single one. In comparison with all of history it's insane.

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>leaving women in charge of a systematic all-encompassing eugenics program
Not gonna end well.

By the very definition, humanity can only exist and flourish when individuals exist in a group and in relationships.
As those relationships and emotions we associate with them are necessary for mental well-being and stability, celibacy and inceldom are symptoms of prolonged loneliness experienced by those unfortunate individuals that suffer from lack of emotional contact that they crave so desperately as part of their bilological makeup.

It is statistically impossible for majority of them to overcome the needs of the flesh and attain the ascetic quality of zen-like contentment with their deprived (or unburdened) state, your average man needs to be loved and he wants to love in return to keep the flame of life going.
I also highly doubt that majority of them are geniuses that need to be unburdened to fulfill themselves, for the most part they are simply dudes that were unlucky but still operate on the same principles as the lucky ones who made it.

I can't believe no one noticed that, it's written like that all over the article. For a moment I thought it was some Mandela effect shit or something lmao.

Thank youuuuu

No one's entitled to anything. There's no law written into the stars saying you're entitled to protection by the police, or any other law that protects you from getting robbed, raped, and killed. But guess what fuckface we can all band together and create a society that isn't cruel anarchy. We can all contribute to it so that we all have what we need. One of those things we need is sex. How that's solved exactly I'm not here to say, but to get all edgelord about it "well you're not actually ENTITLED TO ANYTHING *snort* *tips fedora*" is absolute 14 year old tier. Grow up faggot

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The Soviet Union was significantly more socially conservative than the contemporary United States

this is the question that breaks leftism, there is no answer

Stopped reading when he said most were white and male.

Absolutely not true. The only statistics ANYBODY has on actual once populations are from polls made online on forums for these people. Whether it is subreddit, r9k or incels.me it is consistently the case that most incels are mixed race and there's an overrepresnation of asians.

Why even take the opinion seriously of someone so blatantly wrong and obviously repeating nonsense they read in bias articles?

Business owners in Nazi German had more economic freedom than modern American business owners.

The problem in your thinking is that you assume that your average /pol/ tard incel 9k is well adjusted.

Yeah, like how degenerate is that ewwwxD. I bet people changed so much in just the last 100 years, I mean just look at how alien this sexual ecosystem is nowadays haha, I swear I don't want to fuck college girls, I mean sluts hahaxD. I'm not an incel alright you guys?

cringe

Sex isn't a need.

>the rope
waste of labour power

They even get to genocidal vitirol, fun to see

From the outset, the 'involuntary" part of the definition is questionable. If someone who is hideous and/or sexually & socially inept isn't interested in what's reasonably available to them at their own level, so be it. There's always porn, and it's not the end of the world, never mind all the STDs one is sure to skip that way. You people just need to get over all the theocratic voodoo panic that's making you crazy, and start over with Kinsey and the ethologists.

Pic related is actually the only good take on inceldom.

Based and non-blackpilled

>the other is a decentralized political movement which advocates for things like state distribution of sex/marriage and the disenfranchisement of women rights
>This one dude that went crazy and killed some women is the representative of a decentralized political movement
I didn't think there were peopel who really do eat up articles like the OPs

>all non-virginal women are whores except for the chaste ones deflowered by me
This is not contradictory. It's subjectively coherent for each man, and objectively coherent in a society where the institution of marriage is upheld.

>Petersen instead of Peterson
lmao

Government assigned girlfriends IS a leftist answer, the modern left just isn't ready for it.

>Maslow (1943, 1954) stated that people are motivated to achieve certain needs and that some needs take precedence over others. Our most basic need is for physical survival, and this will be the first thing that motivates our behavior. Once that level is fulfilled the next level up is what motivates us, and so on.

>1. Physiological needs - these are biological requirements for human survival, e.g. air, food, drink, shelter, clothing, warmth, sex, sleep.

I actually plan on writing a really postmodern novel about an incel with insanely long detailled desceiptions of the porn he watches. I plan to have a lot of intricate monologuing and very few dialoge scenes. I will try to make it as believable as possible but I will also try to make it hyperrealistic and overly depraved. The character should embody the essence of all incel culture. From racism, to rape fantasies, to self hatred and suicidal ideation. My prose is terrible and I am not well read yet. But I will deliver in about 5 years. I do the hunter s thompson work out. Reading everything I can.

there's been more than one, the earliest one I can think of is probably École Polytechnique. the last one that happened in Toronto the guy explicitly said he was an incel getting revenge on chads and stacies. incels have killed way more people in Canada than Islamic terrorism.

>last one that happened in Toronto
You mean the Armenian that ran over people the day before the armenian genocide remembrance day? Ya im sure that had to do with him being an incel

why didn't he post about Armenia then?

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this unironically looks like it was written by a buzzfeed reporter imagining how an incel talks

Absolutely based anime girl sex-distribution poster

I like Spandrell but he's too much of a sinophile, and fuck the chinks.

Ironically this guy actually posted it. Don't try and spin the narrative. I've heard plenty of guys talk exactly like this.

>I've heard plenty of guys talk exactly like this.
10 dudes in r9k and 2 mass shooters are hardly a movement. This incel shit is extremely overrepresented simply because it gives feminism an easy boogeyman. Kinda like the alt-right but more specific.

I'd have sex with it.

there's been at least seven killings connected to inceldom since Elliot Rodgers, and like I said you can easily trace the movement back to the late 80's if you ignore the term incel

'wishing to speak to sgt Yea Forums', 'all hail the supreme gentleman'
Seriously who talks like that

Leftism is when the government does things
The more government the leftister it is

>I actually plan on writing a really postmodern novel
Let me just already tell you to stop right there you absolute pseud ingrate

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Reminder this speech is still the greatest anti-incel piece of oration ever devised by man
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That's the thing its not just a few guys, its a lot. There are many many disenfranchised men out there that believe in this level of thinking. Not all are violent, but some art and some continuously habour those misogynistic tendencies for a very long time.

We live in an oversexualized society, where that reminder is everywhere, to those on the fringe, who aren't having relationships, who haven't had any sort of sexual experience, making it seem like its an easy thing to do for everyone, when they can't figure it out is going to warp a lot of people. I read an article a few days ago regarding how 1/3 of young men in the UK are dealing with erectile dysfunction, and one of the primary causes could be excessive pornography. Now, here's an direct route to pleasure that is solely by ones- own self, don't have to worry about the needs of a partner, you just simply log on and jack off. So when facing a real person and having to pandering to there own bodily needs, a lot of guys can't get it up, because they aren't used to it.

Inceldom, hypersexuality are a both directly linked.

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I don't disagree with anything you said, especially the last sentence; what I mean is that the mainstream has created a strawman that is very easy to attack, when reality is more nuanced.
The most notable point is that of most of those sexually unsuccessful men apparently believing they are "entitled" to sex. It's even discussed in this thread, and again, aside from Elliot and some relatively few other lunatics, yearning for that which, like you say, society tells us is very easy to get, is not the same as asking out a girl and thinking she "owes" you sex.

It will be a timeless classic. Controversial and subversive and I wont sign a copy fpr you

>I'll write some more derivative crap because the world doesn't have enough of that yet

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Not him but how do I write shit that isn't derivative?

you can't

>volcel
Is just regular celibate you fucking retards, knock it the fuck off.

>
I'm sorry man, gotta wait for the postmodern cultural condition to blow over, until that time we're all fucked.

God damn, the BT-9000 is real.

How much IQ does she have?

I have a better diagnosis.

Beta

"The most frequent manifestation of the anima takes the form Erotic fantasy. Men may be driven to nurse their fantasy's by looking at film and strip tease shows, or by day dreaming over pornographic material. This is a crude, primitve aspect of the anima, which becomes compulsive only when a man does not sufficiently cultivate his feeling relationships-when his feeling attitude toward life has remained infantile."

- Carl Gustav Jung

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That other user was right. If incels are a thing then trannies are the biggest ones out there. They’re such failures as men they try to game the market and join the women’s side. But they will never pass, and neither will you. Take your rotting axe wound neo-vagina back to your discord.

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volcel is a regular celibate

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I kinda feel bad for some of these because it's pretty clear they don't even have the trans condition. Just like you say: they fail as men so they see becoming a woman as a sort of suicide of their old self.

Too bad for you white boy, how much you love daddy's cock.

If you dislike derivative crap why do you post zizek? As if he isnt anything but the leftist version of a big fucking blender of half baked vapid and vague quips, hiding his empty ideas behind sarcasm and pop culture references. Nobody wrote a novel capturing inceldom accurately. It will be a mix of american psycho and die leiden des jungen werther. I wont even try to hide it. You cant be truly original anyway

Can someone translate this Twitter Niggerspeak into English for me? I have know clue what you’re trying to say, tourist.

Why would the white man call his brother 'son of ham' hahahahhaha, why indeed?

Daddy's cummies yes please

>He doesn't get irony

>He doesn't get irony and still thinks he can write a good post modern work which is basically 90% language games.

it is not just language games. It is language games with the intent of capturing the dead end of novelty. There is a difference. Just composing contrived antinomies and contradictory bullshit does not make you post modern. Post modern style is self descriptive and self referantial. Moreso the style itself reveals the essence more than the actual content. Ironically this is the last novel thing humanity can achieve. There wont be anything afterwards. Only permutations of rehashed crap. But atleast with an admirable awarness of exactly that. I dont get the post modern hate (fuck you JP). What else should we do? Remake the illyad a thousandth time?

Yea I feel the same thing man. They failed as a man, they did not succeed so it is as much as suicide of the old self as it is self justification, self worth if you will.

It's actually a synthesis. They view them as objects and human beings

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Men aren't allowed to have legitimate grievances against women

get your queer fucking leftist propaganda out of here , people like you will be punished for the crimes in propaganda that you commit, youre a vile and utterly disgusting human being that does nothing but tear at the social fabric and unity of society. Youre an enemy of the state when you use the term incel to describe other people. Youre likely a racist as well and a giant piece of shit that should be sent to jail for the agenda that you participate in.

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>Nobody wrote a novel capturing inceldom accurately
Somehow, I doubt that your novel will do that do that at all.

The route you freaks should have taken, appeal to pity, like your leper forefathers, instead of further degrading your already atrocious status, obsessed by it's recipient, by simmering with bitterness and circular rhetoric. It's hard, I understand truly. You take in the perception given to you by society as a badge and new hierarchy for to excel in when all others dissatisfies you. This is due to your current position and knowledge of promotion within them being a slim, if even, chance.
I'm not telling you to try anyway, nor am I discouraging that path. Only saying that despite being (80%)involuntarily cast out entirely and deciding not to continue playing those odds, there is literally no point in wallowing in its loss past a certain point of depression. Either do everything you can to move out of that caste, which includes it's issues at a macro level, or move on

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>What I truly crave is someone who wants me as much as I want them, who is happy to spend time with me, share intimate moments with me, someone I can have a good conversation with, laugh with, disagree upon things and study each other. Sex just intensifies it.

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>these are the people screeching about "alt-right /pol/tards" in every single thread
yikes

Literally an inhuman robot.

God damn, why don't you fuckers just go over to Asia? China, Thailand, Vietnam, and the Philippines all have tons of women thirsty for Westerners. And due to the different beauty standards, she'll see YOU as the catch.

there is no answer because human life is predicated on indifference, not compassion or empathy

Really what we lack is "Welcome to the NHK, incel edition"

Let's rephrase some of the things people say in this thread and change the subjects a bit:

'Is there even one redeeming factor of a poor person? Poor people are the lowest of the low and probably are going to stay there wallowing in self pity and delusion. But sure, let's all be nice to them.'

'It's perfect actually that blacks are losing the gene game, it makes the next generation that much more adept'

'they feel that they are 'owed' some of a rich man's money as a result of that deprivation... They don't really want money, what they want is to feel as though the world has done them an injustice, because then they no longer have to take responsibility for their failure.'

'Some blacks may pity themselves for things beyond their control, but others will go beyond and feel genuine rage and resentment over it. This latter reaction is precisely what makes the black a worrying and unpredictable figure'

Do a polarity shift and this place is /pol/ that's slightly more eloquent and better read. You guys should embrace tolerance and think about the plight of people less privileged than yourselves.

Uhh how about they're just born ugly which means they got bullied which means their social growth was stunted? And now they're in their 20s, ugly AND socially awkward. Combine this with political factors that exacerbate women's natural hypergamy (remember, in natural, non-civilized circumstances only 20% of men would reproduce anyway) and you have a recipe for disaster.

>I'm not going to give you some platitudes like "man up, take a shower, and talk to some women"
>video ends with "man up, take a shower, talk to some women"

Reminder that the default setting of women (without societal and civilizational influences) is only reproducing with 20% of men, give or take.

The only reason monogamy ever worked is because women needed men to survive. Now they don't because they have their own career or the welfare state. We are going back to tribal times as far as the sexual market is concerned. A few genetically gifted top guys hoarding all the women while the state gives them the resources they used to get from their beta husbands.

For the vast majority of man's time on earth, the situation was this: one warlord/tribal leader having a harem of 20 women, throwing the rest of the pack a woman every once in a while to prevent an uprising or a challenge to his rule.

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Most incels actually look up to Chad

I see someone read Otto Weininger

Well less sex means less testosterone which means more depression which leads to negative self thinking

holy shit you actually believe that

found pic of OP

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>when you've been shitposting so long you cant tell the difference between a Taiwanese pedophile rings messaging app and real life

I did but this post right here totally changed my mind.
>Once upon a time, 4,000 to 8,000 years after humanity invented agriculture, something very strange happened to human reproduction. Across the globe, for every 17 women who were reproducing, passing on genes that are still around today—only one man did the same.

I say we just kill them.

I mean you can just ignore them lmfao,
>BUT MUH .0000001 percent that become a spree shooter

im in the same boat as you but even then, sexual frustation comes to me from time to time, my biological body craves for sex, fuck

Modernity is really scared of incels. It's been a while since i've seen genuine terror like this, of all things incels are what ended up being perceived as the real threat. Apparently the plan to just give them VR porn and welfare is no longer considered a reliable way of placating them, so they've resorted to desperately trying to shame them into somehow just not being incels, which is only exacerbating their "kill all the normies" urges. Glad i'm not a gambler, I wouldn't have bet it would be the incels who would be the harbingers of the day of the rope, albeit a much sloppier and mundane version than what has been romanticized.

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The answer as to why there's inceldom is simple: unwillingness to settle for a girl in their league due to lack of self awareness.

Retarded redditer.

But it's true. I used to be in an incel state but realized I was aiming for girls who I wasn't compatible with and ignoring the girls who were into me and had compatibility to boot.

Go back to tourist. They’re incels because no girl at all wants them.

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Stop conflating failed normies with real human beans.

>the plan to just give them VR porn and welfare is no longer considered a reliable way of placating them
but nobody has really tried that yet? welfare is for everybody else but single men and VR costs an arm and a leg

>normies

Great taste in documentary, user

This whole phenomenon is a psyop. It's just another marketing term to get you to rebuy the sexual revolution. If you use the word incel you've already lost. We're freaking out about a rogue group of virgins like we all haven't been irrevetsibly damaged socially by a hypersexual society.