were they neo-libs?
Were they neo-libs?
Christian Young
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Caleb Taylor
how I define neo-liberalism: fiscally retrained policies directed at reducing government expenditure on social programs and monetary policies focused on reducing inflation (which was at double digits in America and the UK at the time). Examples of neo-libs: Thatcher, Reagan, Bill Clinton, Blair, most established politicians since the late 80s in fact.
how Yea Forums defines neo-lib: not communist or fascist.
Aiden White
>Baudrillard
>Foucault
Yes
>Derrida
>Deleuze
Hard no
Tyler Edwards
They had a tendency to fetishize capitalism as some Lovecraftian monster and whilst that is nominally bad the move to worshipping the devil isn't very far. Land's move from cyberpunk ultraleftist to cyber-thatcherism is completely understandable at a theoretical level and has nothing to do with is psychotic break as his spec-real apologists will claim. I don't think this is a product of Land though and this reactionary streak goes back to these guys, especially Deleuze and Lyotard.
Isaac Wilson
Who cares
Mason Williams
finally someone fucking says it
Lucas Gonzalez
Aiden James
more like
>Baudrillard
Fucking no, trad nietzschean, saw the immunological and semiotical dangers of unhindered capitalism
>Foucault
No, islamic revolution and capital punishment is good. Power that is seen is better than soft, invisible power,
>Derrida
Yes, yes, yes, yes, open the borders!!
>Deleuze
Sort of, being against things isn't very deleuzian. Hindering flows isn't very deleuzian.
Angel Edwards
"In their opinion I am a dangerous man, since I am a crypto-Marxist, an irrationalist, a nihilist, a neo-liberal, an anarchist and so on. Taken on their own these labels don't mean very much. But taken together I like very much what they mean."
-foucault
it was funny as fuck when that bell-end that invented the 3d printed pistol quoted this verbatim in an interview and tried to palm it off as his own thought.
Nigger, I can make a firearm out of two pieces of copper pipe and a nail WHILST quoting antiquated french intellectuals. u aint shit
Adrian Moore
Yes that is also accurate
Adam Peterson
baudrillard is the farthest from being a neo-lib wtf
Alexander Perry
Pretty cool quote.
Dunno why people put Reagan up there with Thatcher or Clinton. His fiscal policies were not restrained at all. He left finnances worst off than they were when he took office.
Adam Russell
Somewhere on the spectrum from liberalism to anarcho-communism.
If you dropped Land in like, pre-WW2 Britain, most people would assume he was some kind of leftist.
Justin Cooper
>Dunno why people put Reagan up there with Thatcher or Clinton
he cut taxes and spending for welfare programs
Henry Cruz
mfw I start to be nostalgic about the 70's because it's worse now.
There's really a big difference with American and European. Socialism/communism/leftism/Liberalism etc. are traps. We don't understand each other.
Joshua Lee
more like "between Anglo and European"
Leo Perry
bump
Oliver Carter
lel no, they broke with (neo-)Marxism after finding it not radical enough, not too radical.
Ryder Morgan
>feed your head bro, deprogram your discourse and take weed pills
>deconstruct everything, nothing is permanent, the only positive value is change itself
>but there is no question that we must live in a state
>in fact the only place worth living is in the cushy ivory tower within paris within the french state within capitalism, because the point of life is to be a hipster intellectual celebrity and eat dinner at other hipster intellectual celebrity's houses every night
Noah Jones
Yeah, I’m thinking you’ve read none of them.
Better luck next time brainlet
Brayden Garcia
hilarious how Yea Forums morons like yourself confuse an anthropological analysis of intellectual subcultures with the writing of the intellectuals. it's always the same with you brainlets.
>critique the actual practices of communism
>"but you haven't read marx!"
>critique social justice practices
>"b-b-ut it's neoliberalism! an intellectual told me. read a book, racist!"
and these are the people who want us to think they are materialists but spend most of their time acting like idealists lmao
Hunter Garcia
I've read all of them. You on the other hand are a phoneposter. Checkmate. Any responses from you beyond this point will ontologically constitute begging for a rematch, which I will never grant you.
Liam Wilson
OK.
Everybody is getting a but excited, mmmkay
What do we mean by "neo-liberal"? because I get the feeling that there's some crossed wires going on.
Nicholas Scott
>how Yea Forums defines neo-lib: not communist or fascist.
based and accuratepilled
Bentley Young
you smell of reddit and underage
Brody Smith
Deleuze: Marxist
Foucault: Leftist (Classical Liberal towards the end)
Derrida: DemSoc
Baudrillard: Capital is sentient OwO
Gabriel Turner
>Reagan
The Gipper was the face of Washington Consensus economics.
Parker Wright
It's pretty much a slur, like cultural marxism. Nobody identifies himself with "neoliberalism" like nobody identifies himself with "cultural marxism", these are terms that are thrown at them by people that want to group these people they dislike with other people they dislike.
Brody Brooks
Spooky think-tank astroturfing
Cooper Garcia
imagine the smell
Ryder Fisher
>reagan
>having fiscal discipline
Actually ballooned the deficit and debt relative to GDP.
>free trade
Actually imposed the most protectionistic rules since the Hoover admnistration.
Also, I know you weren't using the original conception of the Washington Consensus, but since we're here:
>cutting indescriminate subsidies whiel focusing on healthcare, education and infrastructure
Actually let core public services deterioriate while boosting federal farming subsidies to the records highs which have come to produce nearly as much food waste as food that gets to be eaten. These hicks are still sucking the federal government's teat while voting in Republicans that promisse to be hard on "welfare queens" as if red states weren't the biggest ones around.
Landon Cooper
neoliberals are like vampires. they would prefer not to be in the sunlight, and if you point out they exist they burst into flames.
Oh, but the 2008 crash reveled everything, didnt it. ho ho ho
Henry Morales
cultural marxists are like vampires. they would prefer not to be in the sunlight, and if you point out they exist they burst into flames.
Liam Fisher
stop making these
Anthony Stewart
baudrillard WAS NOT a neolib retard