What should I read after Marcus's meditations?
What should I read after Marcus's meditations?
Ryan Scott
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Aaron Clark
how can one man be so handsome
also seemed like a genuinely moral dude
Josiah Evans
I chose this as a follow-up. Seneca is certainly a lot funnier than Aurelius.
Ian Sullivan
he was
Oliver Edwards
Thanks
Austin Cruz
There's a bit where he condemns the vanity of people with comb-overs. I guess comb-overs are eternal.
Jason Stewart
It's really weird and funny how English-speaking people highly evaluate stuff that in Italy and in most of Europe is considered absolutely minor. Marcus Aurelius was just a good DIY thinker, his Meditations are certainly nice to read, but it's nothing mind-blowing or revolutionary in the history of literature. Instead, masterpieces like Lucretius' De Rerum Natura, Petronius' Satyricon, Apuleius' The Golden Ass, which are supported by decades of the most excellent academic criticism, seem to be almost forgotten.
John Nelson
I can't find non-italian or french versions of the original text for "De Rerum Natura", could you help an user out?
Hunter Cooper
How funny is it that Italians totally neglect or undersell great if simple thinkers like Aurelius for charlatans like Lucretius? Maybe because you guys read the classics as part of your basic education they lose their specialness.
Honestly everyone should just read Cicero. OP too, if you want to understand what Marcus is talking about, you’ll want to read his Stoic Paradoxes (it’s about 10 pages long), then On the Ends, and then On Duties (and of you can stomach any more awesome the Tusculan Disputations and On Fate after those). Pay attention to how Cicero uses terms Marcus chucks around assuming you know what they mean, like “nature” and “duty” or “obligation”.
Agreed that Petronius and Apuleius are based, underrated and far too often neglected. The shitposters so good even the Christians preserved them.
Jack Smith
Yes but only in the original greek
Gabriel Cox
>charlatans like Lucretius
>shitposters so good even the Christians preserved them
You made me chuckle, user, but Lucretius is not a charlatan. He wrote a unique poem and it's amazing how he managed to make science and philosophy into poetical beauty. When he describes the motion of atoms or the farthest reaches of the universe he's almost as good as Leopardi.
Just look for Lucretius' On the Nature of Things on Library Genesis, but pick the epub version, because it's the only one in verse. I had the chance to work on a translation of it and I know how gorgeous the Latin hexameters are.
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Elijah Wright
God bless your soul, user.
Samuel Ross
The Gay Science, Nietzsche
His outlook on being a "Yes-Sayer" is very much an affirmation of stoicisim, along with other parts of the book
Jaxon Nguyen
>The Golden Ass
kek
Benjamin Mitchell
Nothing after that. Go out and live with the lessons learned
Gabriel Clark
Epictetus
Zachary Anderson
The Enneads
Gabriel King
Nature by lucretius
Ryan Hill
Why was Socrates such a shitposter?
I can respect his trying to teach people the importance of critical thinking, but he just went out of his way to annoy everyone as he did it.
Evan Collins
Nietzsche is seriously underrated despite also being one of the most mainstream philosophers. People love to quote him and misrepresent him as the "lol nihilism" guy when that's not the point he's trying to make.
Brayden Price
Aurelius just re-packages external nihilism. Boundaries is a better self-help book.
Also, Aurelius was a cuckold. Like most people peddling this tripe.
Blake Evans
Epictetus. Also people usually recommend Seneca, which is a good idea, but Cicero should be on your list too, especially if you are younger guy - De Officiis from Cicero is a must, it's such a shame the book here is rarely recommend, it's like a handbook how to be a upstanding lad. Will also explain plenty of stuff Aurelius writes about.
2/10, (you)
Liam Smith
Nietzsche is not overrated at all. Pre-nihilists are.
Cameron Kelly
I second the Cicero recommendations.