Silence of the Lambs

this is literally the only reason I want to read it lmao

apparently they properly go into Buffalo Bill's past and why he is the way he is in the book.

I haven't read the book but coincidentally rewatched the movie yesterday. It's made pretty clear that Buffalo Bill is not a murderer because he's a transexual, but because he was abused in his youth and the trauma is expressed in sexual stuff.

thesociologicalcinema.com/blog/the-not-so-hidden-transphobia-in-silence-of-the-lambs

there's a lot of articles like these crying about how transphobic this book is lmao

Hannibal also pretty outrightly states that Buffalo Bill is not a ''real transsexual'' too and the reasons why he's not a real tranny are expanded in the book

Lel that's funny considering I was surprised at how feminist/anti-patriarcal the movie is.

>Throughout the film, it is revealed that Buffalo Bill is a transgender woman.
Is she talking about the film where the character who's right about everything outright says that he is not a real transexual?
Women were a mistake.

good page turner. I think about the last part where buffalo bill says "what is it like to be so beautiful?" before he dies a lot. They could have easily put that in the movie, I don't know why they didn't.

in the book even they investigate him and find that a bunch of prominent hospitals denied him sex change surgery because he is not a real transsexual.

feministing.com/2016/03/10/my-auntie-buffalo-bill-the-unavoidable-transmisogyny-of-silence-of-the-lambs/

like said, Buffalo Bill isn't even a real transsexual. There's a lot in the book where he gets called out for thinking his sexual fetish makes him trans. But of course that's not enough for these people because they think ''anyone who says they're trans is trans''

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I mean it's a bit offensive to transsexuals to claim Buffalo Bill is representative of trans women at all.

>After analyzing the Buffalo Bill case files, Hannibal Lecter muses, “Billy hates his own identity, you see, and he thinks that makes him a transsexual, but his pathology is a thousand times more savage and more terrifying.” This quote enforces the idea that other people can determine a person’s gender identity. Although Jame Gumb was a ruthless murderer who skinned people alive, if she identified as a woman, she was a woman. If a person thinks they are transgender, they are. In real life, transgender people’s identities are often scrutinized by cisgender people.
Nvm guys. She also says that Psycho is transphobic because Norman Bates is a transexual.

Which is why it's clearly pointed that he's not a transwoman.
Just a deranged murderer who thinks his abnormality must be linked to his sexuality, when it's not.
I wouldn't go as far as actually doing it, but it could easily be claimed that Buffalo Bill is actually a SJW figure. He knows he's abnormal, and chooses an outlet to express that, and what was considered abnormal back then? Trans people. Which in turn makes his character a mirror of intolerant american society, badaboom, you've got a progressive character. Add to that how Clarice constantly has to fight the patriarchy expressed through the male gaze of the lecherous people she meets.

is this really the hill xer wants to die on? Making Bill a tranny so they can complain about how Bill is a tranny?

Is Norman Bates actually transsexual? I've never seen psycho

Buffalo Bill is basically an extreme and fucked up version of the SJW mindset. He wants to co-opt identities which aren't his for his own narcissism, all whilst preying on those who are actually vulnerable

No, at least in the movie he is not. Perhaps they only claim that because his dead mother is manifested in a warped part of his psyche and becomes a domineering cripple who still lives with him.

No, he's just completely schizophrenic. He doesn't think of himself as a woman nor has a "woman personality" in itself. But he was abused by his mother in his youth, and after she died, he integrated her as a second personality and dresses up her mommified corpse he keeps in the basement. Basically, his second personality is not himself as a woman, but his mother he keeps alive through himself.
Well it's their logic. Considering they claim gender disphorya is not a mental illness, then it can only be a personal choice. And if it is a personal choice, then all you have to do for it to be true is with it to be true. Ergo, Bill claiming he is a trans woman means he is a trans woman, no matter what Lecter defines as being actually trans.

No offense to Buffalo Bill but I feel pretty confident in determining who is and who isn't sincere about transitioning genders.

I've met a few trannies now and there's the ones who are clearly making a real effort (they don't always 'pass' but you can tell they're making an effort). Then there's the ones who literally just present as men but wear a floppy hat or something.

The first group also just act like women and the second group don't. Hanging out with someone from the first group isn't like hanging out with a man - they actually do seem to have a lot of the emotional and mental responses of women. People in the second group dont have this

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>Like too many feminist takes on the film, this article relegates discussion of Buffalo Bill and the “transphobia inherent in the character” to a side note at the end of a long piece, treating the villain who motivates the entire story as an unfortunate problematic element “that doesn’t stand the test of time.” This ahistorical dismissal of one of the most significant and impactful examples of pop culture transmisogyny
Wait wait wait. By dismissing the whole contextual history, isn't she the one being ahistorical?

then why the fuck are they reaching in order to claim a character who isn't trans, is trans

I'm a bit pissed because it's actually offensive to transsexuals to claim that a schizophrenic who thinks he's possessed by his dead mum is trans.

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they're now claiming that you don't need gender dysphoria /at all/ to be trans and that it is in fact transphobic to claim as such

No idea, it's the first time I see this mentioned.

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to be fair what is the contextual history here?

I assume that it goes something like this:
>Silence of the Lambs is a pretty feminist movie, but that its "transphobia", while regrettable, is just a product of its time and not le ebil transphobic white males pushing an agenda.

I wonder if they would do anything differently if the film was made today. I imagine if they declared they want to remake it it would receive a lot of backlash from tumblrs.

I guess they would do more to emphasise how Buffalo Bill is not transsexual.

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> In lines cut from the final film, Hannibal talks about Bill being too big to transition, which is why she finds fat women to skin. This is an excellent representation of both the requirement that trans women be normatively attractive to male gatekeepers and of the obvious double standard of requirements to be a woman placed on trans women: in this case that fat cis women can exist, but fat trans women cannot.
Lel. Apparently you can now be criticized for stuff that isn't even in the movie.

is that in the book though?

Like I may be wrong but I don't think someone being big ever barred them from trans medical treatment. There's plenty of trannies over 6'0

they just couldn't do it now I would imagine. Lgbt stuff is so inclusive for inclusiveness sake that a lot of the most visible "trans" "activists" are rapehons and fetishists, but you can't call them out because you would be invalidating them.

Easy.
>Buffalo Bill was originally a pretty cool gal, just your average trans woman doing trans stuff. But one day she got gangraped by an evil cis white transphobic gank, and her trauma was made even worse by the fact that instead of supporting her, the evil white cis transphobic society shamed her.
>Now she kills cis women and dress up with their skin as a desperate, warped attempt at conforming to toxic gendered standards
>Corny ending line about how society's evil rejection turned her innocence into monstrosity because the public needs things stated outright.
I think I should actually pitch this.

it used to be they wouldn't let you transition unless they thought you were 'passable' but it didn't really matter since most trannies just bought hormones off the black market

Why Buffalo Bill resorts to killing people to make a suit instead of doing the more logical thing is unknown to me.

I sort of think the reason why they take such an issue with Silence of the Lambs is because they see themselves in Buffalo Bill

Or make it a new book called Transgender Psycho