I'm going to cram as many references as possible into a single paragraph

read finnegan's wake a little while back when i was in high school. liked it, don't see what the big deal is.

based

FOr me it's Finnegan's awake

>What's that, prose you say?
>An artiste such as myself need not concern himself with such pedestrian matters.
did you even read the book

>One of reasons book is well known is how relatable Leopold's Blooms internal monologue is
>nobody actually thinks like this
??

Oh man, I'd post my favorite passages but I think they'd be wasted on you.

flipping to a random page and:

>— Dialectic, Stephen answered: and from his mother how to bring thoughts into the world. What he learnt from his other wife Myrto (absit nomen!) Socratididion's Epipsychidion, no man, not a woman, wil ever know. But neither the midwife's lore nor the caudelectures saved him from the archons of Sinn Fein and their naggin of hemlock.

Brilliant dialogue, Joyce!
If someone said that to me irl I would shatter their jaw.

Contrary to what online discourse would have you believe, life is not a series of "gotcha" moments.

>poster talks about Bloom’s relatability and realistic portrayal of a subject
>quotes a section focusing on Stephen as a counter argument
You fucking CRETIN don’t you dare contact me or my son EVER AGAIN

In all seriousness though, the point is soaring above your head. Stephen is the erudite scholar, so naturally everything filtered through his perspective will be coloured with philosophical and aesthetic references. Bloom on the other hand is a much more embodied and carnal character, you can see them as two distinct parts of Joyce’s psyche (if you’re inclined to read books in such a shallow way).

>I'm going to cram as many references as possible into a single paragraph.
That's one of the things that genuinely bothers me about some "great" works. Just because it has many references doesn't make a work great. There has to be something more, no? either technique or honesty or genuine insight into our psyche and society or moving, creative prose or some meaningful expression of the human soul.

Granted I haven't read Ulysses, so i'm speaking in general

I'm related to James joyce :^)

Thanks for reminding me that there is no actual discussion of books on this board OP

If someone can't understand this passage, it's their fault for not reading Plato.

It's not like they're just lolrandumb references. They give the book an unparalleled richness. Really, how deftly Joyce wove all this shit together is astounding. If you're not a pleb, they way he wrote DOES give genuine insight into our psyche and society, AND it is moving, creative prose that is a meaningful expression of the human soul.

>doesn't talk/think in dense clusters of erudite allusions

Ulysses is like ancient homestuck

that's such a cute retort u gave to him. i hope u and your mommy have a good day and a good life. i hope she is doing well (no sarcasm here)

i wish i were a mommygf's special little boy...that would be my only wish in life...

Read this shit in highschool, it was OK

god i wish that were me

i finally have the momentum to write, but everything im churning out is so awful that its demoralizing me and making my writing worse

what should I do in this situation?

are you mike rugganetta's evil twin, rike mugganetta?

push through it, there's no other way. u won't get better by not writing

Post your writing so I can have a good laugh

this is how i feel about Brodsky. I actually fucking hate Brodsky so much i don't know why people pretend to like this stupid fucking graphomaniac

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its not so bad its funny sadly, its just bad-bad. very little lexical variety, too much exposition, annoying characters, etc.

Joyce was just a shitposting fart sniffing potato cunt

>all these plebs ITT that clearly haven't even read the book

fucking newfags

I see you are new to Yea Forums, welcome friend.

did you honestly expect that Yea Forums read books?

>tee hee Yea Forums doesn't read!!1!
>am I doing it right, guys?

newfags gtfo

I read it, which is why I'm here. I like that page where he lists a bunch of saints but then he lists a bunch of non-saints but he still introduces them as saints

>If someone said that to me irl I would shatter their jaw.
Grug no understand. GRUG ANGRY. GRUG SMASH.

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everyone understands it pseud that’s not the point

This user has the right of it. I know in the Hades section Bloom is extremely relatable and I had thought similar thoughts about the discussion of suicide. Obviously there is the references to Hamlet in the part but then again if you have read Hamlet you might think about those things when you are struck with someone committing suicide.

either technique or honesty or genuine insight into our psyche and society or moving, creative prose or some meaningful expression of the human soul.
It has all that. If you want to get a glimpse of what Joyce is about read Dubliners, which is a very easy read. If you like that read his other works.

A book is made in the editing, I would wager no writer of worth ever wrote their masterpieces on the first try.

Ulysses is the Where's Waldo of novels. Everyone fell for it.

Ready Player One sounds like it's a book you'd enjoy.

what is the meaning of that passage?

I wanna fuck molly with my shrivelled potato

Good thing is she'll let you.

She would let me hatefuck her for lots of money and some arrogance.

Was Bloom a cuck? Did he enjoy the sound of Molly's bedsprings?

More of an open relationship imo.

some people do think like that though

> Stephen is the erudite scholar, so naturally everything filtered through his perspective will be coloured with philosophical and aesthetic references.
Since when is it 'natural' for intellectuals to speak as ambiguously as possible, showering their speech with obscurities and fabricated words? The word 'Epipsychidion' has no apparent use here other than to draw a reference and rhyme with 'Socratidion's'. Likewise 'caudelectures' seems to be entirely made up so that Joyce can reference yet another work that he read, 'Curtain lectures'. Why is this acceptable to you?

Contrast this with the myriad of dialogue occurring between intellectuals in Dostoyevsky's work. Each character talks logically, genuinely, and with the express intent of communicating information to the other; a real conversation is occurring. Dostoyevsky is actually trying to tell a story rather than use his characters as a proxy to establishing himself as an esoteric connoisseur.

This isn't even the worst of Joyce either. Finnegan's Wake is absolutely laughable.

God, somehow you make Dostoevsky sound boring. You suck all the joy out of reading because certain words turn you off because of a lack of definite meaning. I get it if you’re a naturalist and like monochrome tedium, but Joyce’s use of language is celebratory rather than pretentious. His playful cognitive elasticity is almost unparalleled as far as Ulysses goes, while reading Dubliners and portrait shows he’s perfectly capable at restraint and realism too. He chooses to write in another way in order to create and innovate, rather than merely reproduce.

Bloom was a cuck and Molly was a whore.

Come on, you know he was bigdicking it.

How does one even? I read to relax.

A well structured sentence is a beautiful thing, butt...

Is this from Scylla and Charybdis? I think this episode is poking fun at the high falutin, literary circles that existed in Joyce's time and what he wanted to break from. I think you are stuck on thinking that what Stephen thinks is what Joyce wants us the reader to think, we see Stephen be an asshole and just generally unpleasant(see Oxen in the Sun). There is clever wordplay in this episode and interesting dialogue.