90s California

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>90s
pynchonoids displaying their superior intellect yet again

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I'm asking because I recently replayed GTA SA a bit and read a while ago Ariel Schrags comic autobiographies about growing up in 90s Berkeley, and 90s california just seems, even considering the shitload of problems it had, like a fairly nice place to be with tons of culture and counterculture, especially if you come like me from the bland cultural wasteland that is the modern Ruhr area (the west german rust belt).

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>german

that explains it

>increasingly retarded politicians
user, we have the same governor now that we had in the 70s

I visited LA with my father in the late 90's. He took me to see his friend's underground rap studio, then after we shared shrimp cocktail at some hotel. We flew over the grand canyon on that flight, pretty sure everyone does. 2 years ago to this day he left us... feeling miserable. idk user, philip k dick might scratch that itch. he predicted the self-important yuppies. like me, I suppose.

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I wanted to reply to you with just go play SA.

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>that explains it
What does it explain?
A german looking for books about more cultured times?

I grew up in 90s SoCal. It was fucking crazy. When I played gta san andreas it was surreal for me. I know they use fictional placeholders for the cities and counties and all that but the lowriders, the beaches, black gangs, latino gangs, white trash, pig cops, hot but bitchy hookers, it could be a shithole but it was our shithole. Now things have calmed down especially since the crack epidemic faded (now replaced with the opioid crisis)

SA gotta be in the masterpieces list

sry for trashing your thread, had potential. thom wolfe might be your guy

it really shows both its age and the limitations of its platform
i wish the turf-war mechanic wasn't busted
that little sliver of pink

to be fair you really do need a high IQ to read Thomas pynchon

I think he meant infinite jest

I have a low IQ and I'm pretty sure I understand Pynchon better than some high IQ nerds i know.
They can read it, but they don't understand it.
I think part of it is an intuition that doesn't translate to what IQ measures.

Don’t have a book recommendation, but have a song/music video instead: youtu.be/Z9e7K6Hx_rY

>more cultured times
>90s California
Aboslute brainlet. Never post here again

I understand the aesthetic . watch some videos of the cholos cruising down Whittier boulevard during the 1980’s on YouTube , and then watch the related videos. You’ll get an unbiased perspective on what you’re looking for .

But it's still a game with more than decent storytelling and even by modern standards very well developed universe (it also feels like the most well rounded 3D universe game, compared to vice city and III).
Sorry, wrong word, more interesting times is rather what I meant.

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both of those take place in the 80s

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>circled the drain due to gentrification
ah yes, "gentrification" is what has the state circling the drain, not immigration, it couldn't possibly be that.......

Both are correct. Your options are favela or starbucks

His aura smiles and never frowns

No we don't.
Gavin Newsom is the governor now.

I hope you're not expecting to find much meaning in this Indian cemetery of a parking lot.

But anyway, check out Ask the Dust, if you're willing to tolerate degeneration, mediocrity, and novels about being a writer. Those attributes are what make it a great California novel. Hopeless tarmac self-centered futility. It's short, too. You'll finish it in a couple hours.

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Feinstein has been around forever too. We have the small politicians for decades. Everything is going to shit because we've had decades of shitty policies.

He's going to make me miss that faggot Moonbeam.

Doesn't mean they aren't good answers to OP

Well, I don't know where else I could ask and Yea Forums is still among the best and most civilized boards on Yea Forums where you can discuss serious topics somewhat decently.
>ah yes, "gentrification" is what has the state circling the drain, not immigration, it couldn't possibly be that.......
As said, this doesn't contradicts itself.
From what I have heard from the californians all over Yea Forums is that increasingly the state is split between upper and upper middle class folk from the tech and entertainment industry who can endure the high cost of living and poor minorities and migrants living in squalor by american standards (which to them is still a major improvement over their home countries), while the middle class inbetween is falling apart, living a lower middle class life with an income that is upper middle class nearly everywhere else in the US, while hoping that the situation won't get even worse.
Is Newsom as insufferable as he looks like?

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>Is Newsom as insufferable as he looks like
I've worked in California politics for ~15 years (mostly in local governments in socal, but some up in Sacramento and the Bay Area area. The answer to your question is yes. Newsom is awful, and I have serious doubts about his ability to not get us into unaffordable boondoggles due to not caring about what is realistic and wanting to prove his progressive Bina fides. It's worth remembering that as Mayor of SF he set back gay rights by nearly a decade by pushing too far too fast too vocally. Now he's in a spot where he can make the same mistake but with real fiscal consequences. It's very worrying.

Jerry Brown surprisingly did a good job at keeping the worst instincts of the Democratic legislature in check. With his departure we lost that check.

god dammit i wish i lived in an area with a real, brick-and-mortar tortilleria and not this hipster-artisan farmer's market pop-up portlandia BULLSHIT

How can lit ever compete

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user is unironically right

OP I don't think you'll find too much, books about California don't get published unless they're by people from New York (or New York-approved people, like Joan Didion), and the 90s were prime California disdain time over there.
Move to East Los Angeles, it's got the highest concentration of 100+ year old buildings in Southern California

20s-era cali houses are peak aesthetic

Kamala Harris is worse

Yes, but as a senator there's less immediate harm she can do to the state. Given the stranglehold the Democrats have over California politics, the only real options the last go-around were Newsom and Villaraigosa. Villaraigosa is as slimy as they come, but would still have been a better choice. I hope I am wrong about all this, but we'll see.

Now that you mention it, I remember there being a lot of flavor to how he portrayed LA in The Lincoln Lawyer (true intellectuals only)

>Is Newsom as insufferable as he looks like?
Yeah. Pretty much.
He was mayor of SF most recently.
He owns a winery in Napa somewhere.
His political interests do not align with my own.

hey user, but I actually watched your random suggestion.

I'm actually from SoCal and spent my late teens / early 20's in random diners, as they were the only place that would let us in.

Granted this was like, 4-5 years ago for me, but I liked it a lot actually. It played a lot like The Man From Earth, or other drawing room plays / their cinema equivalents.

Thanks for the rec

I meant to say I wasn't OP, but that I watched your suggestion. My b!

How massive has California actually changed in the last thirty years?

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California is huge dude.
Can you be more specific?
I was born and raised in LA but I live in Humboldt now.

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Which books cover 80s california?

im glad you liked it. I was blown away by it even if it wasnt "good" or if it was bad. I enjoyed it thoroughly. Im definitely going to check out The Man from Earth, it looks interesting.

Yeah, it's not too far removed from the early 1990s cut-off that OP specified. I think a book set a few years before that could be OK, but maybe he actually does only want early 1990s settings, possible tail end of the '80s at most. At what point in the 1980s is the Ellis novel set?

why does leonardo always smoke like he smokes cock?

because hes smokes like chad

>Yeah, it's not too far removed from the early 1990s cut-off that OP specified. I think a book set a few years before that could be OK, but maybe he actually does only want early 1990s settings, possible tail end of the '80s at most. At what point in the 1980s is the Ellis novel set?
Well, was there much change in california in the late 80s and early 90s?

I think after the LA riots, things started to clean up

I enjoy these "Slice of Life" / conversational films. They're a lot more pointed than normal films, and you get to focus a lot on dialogue. Another example is The Sunset Limited, although that one is really much more like a two person play (it was adapted from a McCarthey play).

Happy viewings!

Well, I mean the urban counties where lion's share of the population lives.

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Ah for sure.
I'm only in my mid-20s so anything I can offer is mostly speculative.
It just seems to me that from the 90s onward, highly populated areas have been subjected to the Times Square effect.
Compare Times Square today to the one depicted in say, Taxi Driver.
A lot has been sanitized and gentrified from what I can tell when I go home to visit.
Mom&Pop establishments are dwindling in favor of beige, suburban sprawl and strip mall "towne centers."

I like to recommend the book Cadillac Desert to most people. It's mostly based on water diversion policies but it really shows the development culture of CA and the west.
Agriculture first, then cheap Ag land gets rezoned for residential purposes, the value skyrockets, and the cycle continues ostensibly until it can no longer sustain itself.
It's good CA history if anything but it definitely goes outside of your 90s and onward scope.

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>and the cycle continues ostensibly until it can no longer sustain itself.
Has this actually happened anywhere in the US in the last thirty years outside of economically collapsed areas like the rustbelt and similar regions and during the few years of the great recession?

Look at Owens Valley and the Salton Sea for actual examples, albeit they collapsed long before the 90s.

On one of my last visits to Temecula, I was shocked to see how many McMansion developments sat empty with major incentives to buy like offering to pay mortgage interest, the first few months payment free, etc.
This was around 2015, or so in the wake of 2008.
Temecula was largely an agricultural community before the easy money craze of the early 00s.

The Owens Valley never really got developed, in the current use of the term. I think immigrants aside most of the people who live there are probably descendants of the people who pioneered there. Going through the towns up there there's nothing that really looks like a suburban development. Owens Valley didn't really go bust so much as miss out on the growth era. Something like 80-90% of the land in Inyo County is owned by some government, it would be tough for them to get real growth going in that space considering the climate, among other things.

>Owens Valley didn't really go bust so much as miss out on the growth era.
Good shit.
Thanks for the insight.
On the topic of climate and growth in CA, it is only a matter of time before southern California gets familiar with the fact that is and always will be a desert.
It's not a coincidence that the community of Carlsbad funded their own desalination plant.
I'm a pessimist but it's hard for me to look at the history of places like Hetch Hetchy, Owens Valley, or the sinking Bay Delta, and not picture a serious looming crisis.

OP, I hope I'm not derailing your thread too much.

Read this thread
salo-forum.com/index.php?threads/california-is-fundamentally-off-a-social-study.4413/

Oh I am laffing

The quality of that thread took a serious nosedive.
The first post and the Didion excerpts were great.
The racialist theorizing from morons who had only visited the south of the state was grating, at best.
I am fascinated by how other Americans perceive the state compared to those born and raised there and that thread was an eye opener.
I'd encourage most everyone to see the Redwood Coast though.
It's no paradise but it has a sense of history and uniqueness that can't be found anywhere else in the state.
The old growth redwoods and remaining Native American Tribes are a pleasant reminder that there was once a California before the smog and sprawl.

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Literally everything he mentions as being indicative of "SoCal weird" came from somewhere else. California has been a dumping ground for other states' psychos since they figured out it was cheaper to buy them a bus ticket here than imprison them. I'm tired of the Manson cult being used to denigrate and slander the character of a city that apart from an unbearably obnoxious film industry is basically the same as any midwestern city.
Manson was from Ohio, Tex Watson was from Texas, Linda Kasabian is from Maine, Mary Brunner is from Wisconsin, etc. Give it a fucking break

Sounds like you’re talking about Florida in the first few sentences. Something tells me Florida today is a lot like California of the 60s.

Sure, there's a lot of overlap. State histories totally overshadowed by millions of people from New York, Pennsylvania, and New Jersey moving in and turning it into a theme park while everyone outside the walls turns into an LSD burnout (sold, of course, by people from elsewhere like Dr. Leary). Why join the Bath and Tennis club with the rest of the Old Floridians when you could join Mar a Lago? Why join the Olympic Club with the Californios when you could join SoHo House?

This has been a quality thread boys. I like that forum post too. I actually agree with the sentiment that the climate is what invokes these desolate feelings. The days are too consistent; everything blends together. There is no character. You can just be forgotten.

Tbh though go a bit North, Santa Cruz and above, the state is fucking magical. LA is just too Sonoran which can incite a bit of lunacy in anyone too privileged

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Thanks for bumping this thread.
Always at Yea Forums's service if it means starting and bumping quality threads,

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I work in water, user. If you have any questions, feel free to ask. For the most part the state is going to be fine as more places like Orange County and San Diego continue with potable reuse projects to augment water from the Colorado and Bay Delta. Add in desal (expensive as it is), the significant drop in per-capita water consumption, and the trend for new development to be multi-family (i.e. little water use for irrigation), and we're close to being self-sustaining.

The Salton Sea though was the result of a man-made disaster, and of course it's eventually going to dry up. It shouldn't be there in the first place.

Man I wish I lived in 90s LA.

he looks like every slimy mayor of a crime ridden city in every tv show/movie ever

in unmolested condition, sure

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SA is objectively the greatest videogame of all time

(t. European)

all gta games are garbage

You work in water? Nice.
Once again, thanks for the new insight.

Anyhow, what's your take on the Bay Delta water tunnels (CA Water Fix)?
There is a lot of doom and gloom surrounding the project in terms of it causing oversalinity in the Delta Estuary.
I'm always interested in the details garnered from research and not the fancy PR from either side for or against the project.

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All of the hydrological studies I've seen for the tunnels suggest that there is sufficient water coming from the Sacramento and San Joaquin to support flow both to the Delta *and* through the tunnels (now single, but slightly larger, tunnel). To the extent implementing the tunnel allows water flowing into the Delta to then flow out to the ocean (instead of south to southern california), salinity should actually improve.

One of the largest drivers in the increased salinity of the Delta over the last decade has been the state essentially shutting down the big pumps it used to use to pump water through the delta, because the delta smelt (a small and ecologically insignificant fish) wasn't strong enough to swim away from the currents generated by the pumps, and was gradually dying out as it kept getting eaten up by the pumps. Start the pumps up again (so you get a stronger flow of fresh water into the Delta) or build a tunnel (so the fresh water flow into the Delta pushes directly out to sea) and the salinity issue starts to get better.

On the other hand, most of the hundreds of levees in the Delta need significant shoring up. Part of the outcry against the tunnels from the farmers up in the Delta was also a cry for recognition that they need money to maintain their own infrastructure. They are right on that, though the results of a failed levee in the delta are the loss of a (large) plot of farmland or two depending on which levee fails, as opposed to something like the loss of a City like we saw in New Orleans with Katrina, so it's an easier problem for most politicos to ignore.

Thanks for the insightful response.

What is being done about the issue of subsidence in the region? We only briefly discussed wetland rehab to replenish the soil levels.

>shoring up of levees on private land
This was a big issue we discussed in one of my CA government courses.
I'm glad to see that the issue is on the minds of people working in CA, government instead of just on the pages of the SacBee.
Private land stewardship in the interest of the public at large is prickly subject from what I can tell.
What might convince these farmers to shore up the levees?
Is it going to take legislative action from the state?

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The subsidence is a real problem as well (many fields are now 8-10 feet lower than they had been a few decades ago, which is crazy if you think about it). There are various solutions (all of which essentially require trucking in more dirt; wetlands reconstruction helps too though that means giving up irrigable farmland for those restored wetlands and the farmers are loathe to give up their farmland). The issue is really one of money. Newsom's proposed statewide water tax (which I think is a bad idea, but it's probably going to go through) could actually generate enough money to help restore/maintain the Delta for the benefit of all Californians, but instead it's likely to go to support impoverished communities in central California that surround the Resnicks' Pom/Wonderful plants. Stewart Resnick is honestly the worst person in the state and maybe even the worst person in California history with how he's made himself a *billionaire* by hoarding water that he was able to get from publicly funded water projects. If the state were to go after him (and they should; he got where he is through graft and taking advantage of public resources) and make him responsible for providing even basic water infrastructure in the central California areas where he operates we'd be in a lot better shape financially.

But I digress. I suspect some form of subsidy or direct infusion of money will be necessary for the Delta farmers to really shore up their levees. A state/federal subsidy or direct infusion of money wouldn't be a bad idea even though it runs counter to my general laissez faire beliefs, and it certainly would be no worse than many of the other was the state spends its money. If water is a public resource, its infrastructure really does need some form of public support.

Although it covers an earlier time in the state's history (1880s through the 1940s IIRC; it's been a while), you would do well to read Carey McWilliams' "An Island on the Land." A lot of the 'so cal weird' has earlier roots.

Hunter Thompson's book on the Hell's Angels is also worth reading; while it covers a Bay Area phenomenon, there are similar trends and influences that made their way down to Southern California as well. And loathe as I am to recommend a book that youtuber Cliff recommended, Eve Babitz' "Slow Days Fast Company" is a good read too, though it's essentially just descriptive.

Circuits of the Wind has a fictionalized Wired Magazine in 90s Cali

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Less Than Zero isn't dated but was published in 1985
The Informers has a vignette (it's a short story collection) that is explicitly set in 1984 but idk about the others

>Newsom's water tax
Sadly we have voted on too many taxes in CA with bold intentions but vague wording as to how or where the monies will be spent.
>Stewart Resnick
I couldn't agree more with making this guy pay his fair share.
He is definitely a classic example of a coroporate welfare beneficiary.
>levees, farmers, and the statehouse
I'd gladly pay for a bond initiative to help pay for the much needed work at this point.

what is the quintessential LA novel?

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Don's Plum is a masterpiece, I watched the movie many times when I was in my teens, any teenager who use to hangout with his 'bros' before the smartphone era knows the banter was just like this, musically Crooked Rain Crooked Rain has the same feeling overall.

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It was always shit

Wow, it would be terrible working in such an overzealous liberal environment

the one im gonna write desu

feel like pavement was two decades early

It's no picnic. That said, local municipal and county governments are generally more sane than the state (San Francisco and LA somewhat excepted), as they're required to balance their budgets and their citizens can relatively easily get a hold of their local government representatives to complain if something's not working as it should.

>Generation X
Totally agree with this and came here to say this.
Most of story is set in Palm Springs. I lived in So Cal starting in early 90s and I read this book when it came out and think it most captures what life was like back then.

>Although it covers an earlier time in the state's history (1880s through the 1940s IIRC; it's been a while), you would do well to read Carey McWilliams' "An Island on the Land." A lot of the 'so cal weird' has earlier roots.
100% agree with this. You read Carey McWilliams writing in the 20s and he might as well be writing about life in So Cal right now: cults, celebrity worship, superficiality, but also the joyous exuberance: he described living in LA as “ a front row seat at the circus.” This seems about right.

Interesting, also, user you probably know this but Carey McWiliams was the one who encouraged Thompson to write that book on the Hells Angels peterrichardson.blogspot.com/2006/11/hunter-s-thompson-careys-creature.html

>Interesting, also, user you probably know this but Carey McWiliams was the one who encouraged Thompson to write that book on the Hells Angels

I recall reading that, but I never put two and two together and realized that Carey McWilliams was the same author who had written so well about southern California. Thanks for the insight user!

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California is the AIDS of the US.

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LA is basically the same as it's always been. Just way more people and way more transplants.

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Indeed it is, I will link the source tomorrow.

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I think the film falling down is a good image of what was going wrong in California in the nineties for the average white man.
Also all the gang/hood movies that came out also showed the growing problems of diversity in what was supposed to be a great place.

How do Californian's feel about the Joy Luck Club? I think the movie was indicative of some of what you could see growing in 90's California. The willfulness to cut any cultural ties with tradition for the promises of liberalism, economic striver culture, and the epidemic of wmaf relationships on the West coast.

Ask the Dust

BTW I was in LA during the 90's. Best atmosphere ever. So glad I got to experience it before it went to shit. There are still some sections of Koreatown that feel 90's-ish.

Are there any places in L.A. that still retain some of the charm of Bunker Hill?

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Great thread, boyz. Some really great recs here, got a few for the reading list.

But ...... I can't believe no one has suggested A Heartbreaking Work of Staggering Genius. Not really SoCal but that's one of the best accounts of early 90s San Francisco ever.

Source:
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some of the houses in echo park still look like that. los feliz, especially up in the hills.

I tried reading ask the dust years ago. could never finish. felt like poison every time i tried

what was it about 90s LA that made it best?

I was born in 1994 and raised in the valleys, so idk. always had this romantic view of LA's shittiness. The powers that be try to make it look like disneyland but you always end up seeing some homeless creature shitting behind a bus stop, which i guess makes it more authentic. If it wasn't for the immigrants, the city would be boring as hell

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Isn’t there a vollman time about this

I...is it really that murdery.

>public street shitting is authentic
>mass immigration that turns your state into a homogenized crime-ridden future-favela shithole makes things interesting

this is your mind on californian liberalism

it's not all bad. this melting pot has certainly produced some of the most beautiful people in the world. east coast americans and west coast americans are almost uncanny. the westerners look healthier and more youthful even as they age. Something about the Mediterranean climate or maybe breathing all the false hope in the air is good for the body.

you take the good with the bad. On the one hand, I have a wide variety of different cultures to partake in and also the baggage (See: street-shitting) that comes with it.

Maybe I have drunk the kool-aid, but I've been to other parts of the union and a lot of america is just boring. What i think it is is a certain resignation among the people in other states that makes them more friendly and content, less crazy or maybe even perfectly sane.

In Los Angeles, there is this is constant maddening push to act, everyone is constantly striving to be something or pretending to be something. No one simply is in that town. They're a profession, they're a legacy, they're a cancer, they're typhus. SoCal is obsessed with energy,with youth it turns people out everyday. I'm reminded of the psychic vampires that Alex "George Soros tried to bribe me with bitcoin" Jones talked about.

Lived here all my life and there is something off about this place. It's the end of civilization. It's the weimar republic at the end when things really started to kick off. there's good things, there's absolutely horrible things about living here. But it's like nowhere else in the world

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>In Los Angeles, there is this is constant maddening push to act, everyone is constantly striving to be something or pretending to be something. No one simply is in that town. They're a profession, they're a legacy, they're a cancer, they're typhus. SoCal is obsessed with energy,with youth it turns people out everyday. I'm reminded of the psychic vampires that Alex "George Soros tried to bribe me with bitcoin" Jones talked about.
>Lived here all my life and there is something off about this place. It's the end of civilization. It's the weimar republic at the end when things really started to kick off. there's good things, there's absolutely horrible things about living here. But it's like nowhere else in the world

While I don't agree that the rest of America is boring, I do agree with these sentiments user, and you put them quite well. I spent the first decade of my adult life in LA, and the sense of something always happening, people always striving to be or appear more than they are, and everything that goes along with that is intractably part of how I see LA. I sometimes think that view of LA is more something that I impose on it by virtue of LA being the place where I came into myself, as opposed to something that LA is in and of itself. It's nice to see that others see the city that way too.

I was glad to have left LA when I did (~8 years ago), but I also am glad to have been there for the time that I was.

Forgive me. I don't doubt that there are pockets of American towns and cities that have their own homegrown vibe. In my travels, I've dealt with people who just seemed slower.

It's like that trope of the pioneers back east who just kept pushing forward and didn't stop in oklahoma or utah until they reached the pacific. Many of their descendants remain in their landlocked cities and towns. The ones that leave, not all of them make it when they get to California, but they have something that their hometown tribe lacks which drew them here.

I read that racist forum post from deep in this thread and I believe somewhat that the reason california has a lot of psychos is because the state itself, what was the frontier, still maintains this as yet untame-able vibe that draws a lot of alpha personalities

If I mask what did it for you? and where did you end up leaving to?

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Bukowski gets thrown around as the best poet of LA? Has anyone ever taken that away from him? was he a schizophrenic? some sociopath playing at being a weirdo for views?

>gentrification killed California
Yes, it was the white people who were problem. Then, and only and exclusively then, when the state was white, was when the state went to shit. After California experienced suburban middle class white families straight out of a Spielberg movie, there truly was no recovery. Egad, the taxes they paid! The schools they built! The Beach Boys!

Only by ending gentrification (white people) and embracing the demographic slide towards our fat dumb brown future will the noble state of California be saved

southern california isnt interesting except as a backdrop for race-based violence. if youre interested in whitopia norcal is more up your alley

california boys, which is more embarrassing--a low-tier UC school which is technically well-ranked but obviously nobody's first choice, or a higher-tier CalState school known for its slacker vibes

I'm assuming by a higher-tier CalState school you're referring to SDSU. SDSU is infinitely more embarrassing than even UC Merced.

There is a clear and vast difference in the quality of education you get from a UC and a CSU. Even the worst UC is going to offer a more academic experience than the essentially vocational training you get at even the best CSU.

unless it's merced, pick the UC. even riverside is tolerable.

What is actually even the point of the CSU's nowadays?

>What is actually even the point of the CSU's nowadays?
brainwashing young people and getting them into debt so as to prime them to vote for gavin newsom

>having this much of a hate boner for newsom

he hasn't even done anything yet

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A Scanner Darkly but it takes place in a different universe.

>i miss when california was a polluted, crime ridden shithole
>fuck living standards man muh nostalgia is what matters
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As someone from the Midwest who’s vacationing in LA, this place is like crack. Since I came here for the first time, I’ve dreamt of moving here. Like you said, even the ugliness becomes appealing for the amount of stuff that there is to be experienced here. It’s completely intoxicating to experience all of the people who’ve boxed themselves into extreme categories who are very easy to socialize with, the qt girls with manic pixie girl personalities who go out of their way to talk with you, the active music scenes, unbearably perfect weather, extreme shift in culture and quality of environments between different places, etc. its no wonder so many people came here to escape their boring American homes, the entire city is just an ugly illusion that provides people with the experiences they’ve been missing for their entire lives

It's a vacation town. Eternal vacation is an eternal sunburn.

Where did you move to after LA, and do you think you’d ever go back?

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I like this movie-- some parts are a bit corny but it has a great aesthetic for sure and Willem Dafoe is fucking sexy in it. I didn't realize there is a book. I'll check that out thanks user

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California was always "brown". The whole fucking continent was. Not fat tho

>when the state was white
We're not Europe, lol
Also, protip: The Jews who wrote that almost all native americans died because of disease when Europeans came over were lying to you. That never happened. Yes, they got sick but it's not like the Black Plague killed off 99% of the Europeans.

No, but it did kill off 1/3 of Europe.

Those historians only suggested that smallpox may have cleared out small parts of New England, not the whole continent.

California is the Vehicle through Which the Antichrist enters the World.
SoCal is the lesser Satan. Bay Area the Greater Satan. Stewart Brand, Charles Manson, the Beach Boys, J Morrison and Ted K, all MK ULTRA mind control subjects. The ''counterculture'' was a CIA plot.

WEIRD SCENES INSIDE THE CANYON
LAUREL CANYON, COVERT OPS &
THE DARK HEART OF THE HIPPIE DREAM

Laurel Canyon was the fountainhead for the peace, love, and brown
rice vibes that overflowed America’s airwaves as the Vietnam War raged,
but lurking beneath its tie-dyed and florid veneer was an exquisite darkness of drugs, unbridled debauchery, full-tilt depravity, and shocking
carnage. When readers of this book are delivered to Laurel Canyon’s
blood-drenched tapestry of murder and mayhem, they will have to decide whether or not those sinister synchronicities are uncanny coincidences, conspiracies—or perhaps a kaleidoscopic blending of both.
Sprinkled throughout these pages is the ominous specter of the military/intelligence complex, and perched quite literally atop Laurel Canyon was the top-secret Lookout Mountain Laboratory, which seems to
be McGowan’s grand metaphor for Dr. Strangelove having a bird’s-eye
view of the nascent hippie movement, treating it as though it were a
petri dish brimming with a lethal biological weapon that could be unleashed in meticulously monitored increments. Indeed, many of Laurel
Canyon’s rock ’n’ roll idols had former incarnations steeped in the world
of military/intelligence operations. Jim Morrison, aka “the Lizard King,”
was one such example. Mr. Mojo Risin’ didn’t much like to talk about
his parents and was even known to tell reporters that his parents were
dead. But as it turns out, Lizard King, Sr. was not only alive and well, he
just happened to be the commander of the US warships that allegedly
came under attack by North Vietnamese torpedo boats in the Gulf of
Tonkin, sparking America’s napalm-fueled bloodbath in Vietnam.
Frank Zappa, another major mover and shaker of the Laurel Canyon
scene, was certainly the raddest of the rad, so surely he couldn’t have
had any connections to the military/intelligence complex… right? Not
exactly. According to various accounts collected by McGowan, Zappa
was a pro-military autocrat who didn’t really resonate with the counterculture’s peace and love vibe. Like the Lizard King’s dad, Zappa, Sr.
was a cog in the intelligence community’s dark machinations; Francis
Zappa was a chemical warfare specialist with a top security clearance at
Edgewood Arsenal near Baltimore, Maryland. Some readers might recognize Edgewood as the location of ominous mind control experiments
conducted by the CIA under the rubric of MK-ULTRA

the-eye.eu/public/concen.org/Weird Scenes Inside the Canyon - Laurel Canyon, Covert Ops & the Dark Heart of the Hippie Dream (2014) by David McGowan & Nick Bryant.pdf

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Where does this obsession with demons and biblical hellscapes come from? What triggers the right to invoke these things?

youtube.com/watch?v=czLceBSD7Cc

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Disappointed to read a bunch of New York Times tier takes on Southern California
>muh Disneyland
>muh fake people
>muh sun melts your brain
This is why Hollywood was a terrible fucking mistake. Los Angeles is just a city, but because a bunch of New Yorkers decided to set up camp with their cameras there have to be all of these thinkpieces about the unique weirdo character of Californians :^).
California has never been allowed to establish its own identity, it’s always been a place for east coasters to project their desires and fears onto.

Watch Los Angeles Plays Itself, it talks about this in great detail.

This sounds like one of those NYT-tier thinkpieces that get thrown as a reaction to the oversold “weirdo” thinkpieces. But I liked Los Angeles Plays Itself. So, it wasn’t a complete waste of a post

no one cares

its literally commnist now

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Wow, I'm loving the diversity here!

So many marginalized groups coming together to pump each other full of bullets and drugs. Can I get a "hell yeah" for immigration and brown people?

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>tfw born outside of United States of America
>tfw no matter how much time you spend on american imageboard you will never be american
I will never forgive my parents for not being american

I'd love to agree with you but...homicide and violent crime as a whole has gone down since the 80s and 90s.

laalmanac.com/crime/cr02.php

I expect it's only going to regress back to shithole numbers soon though.

latimes.com/local/lanow/la-me-lapd-crime-stats-20171230-story.html

>The 6% decline in homicides was a reversal from the increases of the previous two years. There were 271 homicides through Dec. 16, compared with 289 last year. The number of shooting victims was also down by 11% from 2016.

>Angelenos are far less likely to be murdered than in the 1990s, when homicides peaked at 1,094 in a single year.

>But there were other, more ominous trends in the year-end tally of crime in the city. Violent crime was up for the fourth year in a row, fueled by a 6% increase in robberies and a 5% spike in aggravated assaults. Property crime also ticked higher for the third year in a row— up 1% over last year.

I can't understand why anyone stays in California anymore when it comes to just affordability alone. It's a state for rich people to live by the ocean.

this

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lol why?

The areas you think are black are 100% illegal aliens

>I can't understand why anyone stays in California anymore when it comes to just affordability alone. It's a state for rich people to live by the ocean.
Because you still have to some extent the problem that you can be either where (culturally) the action is or move to some smaller big city which in turn has a massively smaller cultural scene, all of which is exacerbated by the huge dimensions of the US that make short trips between metro areas practically impossible unless you have the time and cash to fly.

Cadillac Desert rules. Have you read King of California?

>tfw parents took every opportunity to move to america from central america and eventually make 200k annually within 15 years
>tfw white-hispanic with primarily german/spanish/italian blood
>blue eyes and blondes everywhere

Maybe I'm not but at least I have the genes within me. Guatemalan has the least amount of white people as well I think. God sure is based with me.

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Any Lit on the LA riots?

Although they're from different time periods, Bukowski and Huxley capture the enduring shit-spirit of California. Ape and Essence or whatever that other book is with all the orange trees.
Bunker Hill is a novelty, not even a neighborhood. My daily commute passes it and the contrast between it and neighborhoods across the 110 couldn't be starker. Certainly a lot of different neighborhoods with different mish-mashes of architectural styles in general, however.
These types of buildings make me feel physically ill, especially the homes. Living in them just makes you feel empty, like that stupid blue sky covered in power lines.

Twilight: Los Angeles, 1992. It's a one-woman play by Anna Deavere Smith based off of interviews she conducted with various people who lived through the riots from different socioeconomic backgrounds. You can read it, but I'd recommend watching the performance on PBS, should still be available.

>Composed of 100% unauthorized satellite footage, Spin(1995) is a surreal expose of media-constructed reality.youtube.com/watch?v=PlJkgQZb0VU

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lmao, crime statistics or not, california is a much shittier place to live today than 25 years ago.

>california isn't polluted today
what a joke zoomers are living in

California is a disgusting place. It may have been considered once civlized in the early 20th century.

it was never civilized

The PS2 release had a different color atmosphere for each city that was unfortunately removed in the PC version. Los Santos must be the best reproduction of LA in a videogame that I've seen.

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Are there any good books by millenials about LA yet?

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>598
I did the math on my city and there was twice as many murders per capita as LA county.
I do live in a predominantly black city.

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bump. sure is a shame what california has become nowadays

it is still resource-rich and more now than ever full of possibility, user. It is the 5th largest economy in the world.

Though, I am dismayed to say this, the more affluent parts of the cities can only be indulged by people who make their money in tech

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Love the recs in this thread. Very nostalgic myself for early 90s west coast

it was a good thread, op

Du musst absolut braindead sein, wenn du denkst, dass 90s California in irgendeiner Weise ein kulturelles Paradies wäre. Das Ruhrgebiet ist mit Sicherheit eine der unattraktivsten Regionen Deutschlands, aber es gibt dort z. B. das Theater Bochum, das zu den besten deutschen Bühnen gehört, das Museum Folkwang in Essen und das Pina Bausch Tanztheater in Wuppertal, das internationales Niveau hat was zeitgenössischen Tanz betrifft. Ganz zu schweigen davon, dass Kalifornien ca 50% der Bevölkerung von ganz Deutschland hat und flächenmäßig sogar größer ist - es macht also überhaupt keinen Sinn, Cali mit dem Ruhrgebiet zu vergleichen. Aber wenn die Referenzpunkte Videospiele und Comics sind, sollte man wohl auch nicht mehr erwarten. Back to Yea Forums oder Yea Forums du pleb

Should I let it die?

I don't think it wants to die

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Jesus, that's awesome

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Chorromoco 91 by Pepe Colubi

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grand theft auto: san andreas

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China Town, the movie
Bojack horseman
Drive

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kill yourself

Is two weeks too old for a thread?

How good could 90s Cali have been if even someone like Bradley Nowell died of heroin?

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>hurr durr missing trimmigrants
they probably got drunk and got eaten by a cougar

Bradley Nowell was a cuck and his music was controlled opposition-tier boof

Schizoaffective disorder

As far as I understand (feel free to correct me), the Antichrist in the Bible refers to false prophets misrepresenting Christ and his teachings. It doesn't mean some evil Damien-from-The-Omen entity is going to bring about the world's end. Does any part of the Bible even entertain such a scenario?

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>(((gentrification))) is good
cuck/pol/ gets more retarded by the post

i see what you mean

WTF. I've definitely seen this thread with the same responses (in the same order) before.

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its a 2 week old thread moron