Drugs and Books Edition
>Have you read or written anything after taking psychedelics or narcotics?
>How did it go?
Monthly Reading for March: - The Black Company by Glen Cook
Fantasy:
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Flowchart:
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Science Fiction:
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General:
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NPR's Top 100 Science Fiction & Fantasy Books:
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SF&F author listing with ratings and summaries:
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Previously:
Can I get recommendations for sci-fi books that deal with the world ending? Not post-apocalyptic, merely apocalyptic
sanderfag a hack
Chronicles of Amer is 10/10
Is there anything else with demi-god family politics/intrigue?
>alien empire shows up
>nukes California and Brazil of the face of the earth
>humanity is so grateful they join the empire and become its most loyal subjects
Based
Are elves overused in fantasy? Seems like there's only all two categories of elves in fantasy, the classic Tolkien elves and the authors who sometimes go to silly extents to make their "elves" unique as possible so to avoid comparisons to Tolkien elves.
I remember Conan having some good action scenes. Of course, the trick Howard used (and which most modern fantasy writers seem completely oblivious of how to apply) was not spending a lot of time on details. Rather than informing the reader of what exactly happened he instead tried to get the feeling of the fight across. Often we're simply told in broad strokes what went down, and sometimes we don't get to know at all.
In particular I remember a scene in one of the earliest stories where Conan, as a mercenary, is about to take part in a large battle against an invading army. The actual battle is almost glossed over completely. Instead, Howard describes the sound of clashing steel and soldiers screaming out in pain as the two armies clash into one another. Then, Conan is confronted by some intimidating dude -- possibly the prince of the invading country or the leader of the army -- and not even then does Howard go into details. Instead he only briefly mentions that Conan raises his shield and describes how sparks fly of it as his opponent's weapon crashes into it over and over again. During it all, Conan slashes with his dagger in front of him, and we're not even told if he actually hits anything, because Conan himself doesn't have time to notice. The scene is concluded with a statement about how Conan did not remember how he had survived, but when he came to, the battle was over and his opponent lay dead before him.
The point, I guess, is that you should show, not tell. Descriptions are only good as long as they help set the mood. They do not carry a story on their own.
They used to be, the only recent series I'v seen with elves was that cuck shit by Sullivan.
They are overused simply by virtue of fantasy authors feeling the compulsive need to include an elf-like race in their setting even if they aren't the Tolkienesque variety. Personally I don't really see the point. They served a purpose in Middle-Earth and they fit the themes he was going for, but everywhere else they're just included because "it's a genre staple, they've got to be there."
I feel like this is why the action in princess of mars is so damn good. I'll be like 'he was a bit reluctant to take down such an honorable swordsman, but proved his match and then some, and soon the martian was laid out on the deck'
cringe
>The point, I guess, is that you should show, not tell.
Showing and not telling is one of the worst things about modern literature. REH told plenty; he just did it efficiently.
Hello, lost redditor.
Seems like we're reading The Black Company.
I ain't reading dat, bitch. I'm gonna finish Throne of Bones THEN start in on some modern Sword & Sorcery kino with The Snake-Man's Bane THEN re-read Worms of the Earth by REH da God THEN read KEW's pastiche sequel Legion from the Shadows.
>I ain't reading dat, bitch
Say that to my face not online and see what happens m8. Anyway, since this is 4channel and not your local high school reading is not mandatory.
I already read it years ago, nerd. Now fight me, faggot.
I don't know how you end up at "show, don't tell" from that. It doesn't sound like the issue you're describing at all. I think what you're going for is:
Use words to paint a picture, not direct a movie. Convey the impression of what's happening rather than trying to show every detail.
>REH told plenty; he just did it efficiently.
That's the thing,most writers aren't good,shitty writers should show and not tell,while good writers should tell and not show.but for some reasons most fantasy writers think they're good
Nice. I remember reading it long ago. The series drags on a bit, but the beginning was great. Speaking of which I still need to get around to reading Port of Shadows, so I guess now is a good time as any to reintroduce myself to this series.
On a side not it's really interesting seeing the modern fantasy reader's reaction to Port of Shadows. I know it's Goodreads, but it seems like majority of negative reviews stem from the fact that it's apparently sexist and not the actual content of the book itself.
Wtf i hate /sffg/ now?!
I live on a diet of trail mix, smoked fish, rye bread, leafy greens and fruit, what generic fantasy race am I closest to?
I guess show, don't tell isn't the perfect way to describe what I'm talking about, but I do believe it fits. Howard doesn't tell you what goes on in the action scenes, instead he sets the mood which paints the picture in your head (effectively showing you).
I honestly don't believe there are resident sffg users that haven't already read it or actively decided not to, it's probably top 5 most discussed book series here. What's next? Botns monthly reading?
>Howard doesn't tell you what goes on in the action scenes
He does tell you, user. He just doesn't go into mind-numbing detail about it. I actually read an article about this just the other day, but I can't fucking remember which site it was on. If I find it I'll post it.
Starting to really get into Sword an Sorcery stuff. Now I'm moving on to the Fafhrd and the Gray Mouser series.
I'm starting to get really into you,user
howardandrewjones.com
That might help you. Guys on that site did a read-through of Fafhrd and the Gray Mouser and go super in-depth for each story. They also did one for Conan.
>being this new
>apologies for lack of gay and incest
Heh. There is enough R to go around.
Are there any stories like Avatar (the cartoon)? Sorry for weak question.
>read Dune
>Jessica will never be my mother
Sounds like those faggot tree elves
Is that so?
?? I'm saying this because I've been here from the beginning
Sanderson
Thank you Avoidposter, Very Cool!
I remember botns being in the recommendations. Maybe monthly reading user kicked it out because it was a) longer than the page limit he used to set b) part of a series that needs the entire thing read to be understood c) all of the above.
He only does standalone books.
I recommend Hogg and dhalgreen.
Any of yall read Cook's Instrumentalities of the Night? Any good?
Based.
But the fucking point it's that everyone alreadt knows about black company, cool thing about monthly reading is that it brings something new to discuss. Thus the example of botns, something everyone here already knows about
Could I ask why? I can't really trust you if you just say a name, especially one that seems to be criticized for being shit throughout the whole thread.
I've taken a look at her review. Women were a mistake.
Based Avoidposter giving me more books to read.
His books are anime as fuck. Mistborn and Stormlight Archive are what you're looking for for Avatar shit.
Retard.
Avatar's success lied in its characters. Sanderson's lies in his intricate plots.
Sanderson is certainly not the /sffg/ version of Avatar.
Then vote faggot and campaign for your choice and convince others. Stop whining after the vote is over.
lol fuck off, faggot. Avatar is full of anime shit and so are Sanderson's gay books.
Don't worry I whined before it won too. And I can't be too mad, it's a good book, it's just that everyone that voted for it already read it
Yeah. I didn't really have time to think about it when putting the poll together but I should probably have removed Black Company for just that reason.
I'm not that interested in the "anime" part, I'm more interested in what said. Plus the general story of Avatar, a couple of kids growing strong through bending or whatever to save the world. I doesn't have to be that, I really don't know. Avatar doesn't have all that much anime aspects desu, why so on about it?
Damn the alin being shitty towards simon aspect of the story is pretty unlikable and forced. It would honestly be better and more interesting if he lived up to his jesus status fully.
Is there a site where normal people review books?
leddit
>normal people
Jesus christ that review made me actually gag. My system didn't know how to react to all that disgust
Anobii and LibraryThing exist, but Goodreads is really the best site. You just have to find a couple of reviewers you can trust, follow them and disregard everything else.
it doesn't get more normie than leddit user.
What books are you guys waiting on?
I have like 5 books that are already released but I'm waiting for the audiobooks.
>normie=normal
Wow.
>waiting for the audiobooks.
Being this much of a pleb...
>it's just that everyone that voted for it already read it
>I know and speak for all the users of sffg
>I know what everyone here is doing at anytime of the day
Anyone?
This but unironically
>Ywn have a threesome with your mom Jessica and your milf sexslave Harah
Bending the elements to your will, and having spiritual ancestors to draw on is what avatar is about.
If you wanted kids exploring shit you should have asked.
Try the Abhorsen trilogy, his dark materials
>its a final battle
>all the characters come into play, including one-off people from random bits in forgotten chapters
>Ugh
>How hackneyed
Doors of stone
I think you would like the trysmoon saga.
What are some good
Your cock in my mouth
Apocalypse (revelations)
>its a final battle
>different bosses including the high ranking generals come using their best moves to assist you
God I miss Monster Quest
So I guess that whole "birdboi" shit was just another fad on here like that rabbit fetish guy? Though the rabbit user actually put something out I guess. His problem is that he never stopped shilling in every single thread.
>Your cock in my mouth
you're now reading that line in his voice
Sweet jesus fucking christ almighty
>What are some good
What the FUCK did he/she mean by this?
Anyone read Charlie Jane Anders work? How is it?
Were all team /birdboi/ here.
I wish birdboi would share some of his (lewd) work
Youre on team birdboi land. Join us or fuck off.
Smoking a joint while playing video games and getting your dick sucked.
And for books I can recommend, of course, Eragon .
whys my thread auto update not working reeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee
What are some books similar to pathologic or e.y.e?
The Dune books fit that bill. Also Zelazny's Lord of Light, though they're more of an extended very close group, rather than a family.
Good trans-normative SFF?
The black prism has some demon, religious, elder gods, politics in between
Boku no Pico.
ive never read it i also suggested it
but the people have spoken
Blood Music by Greg Bear.
Less apocalyptic in the sense of a meteor or nuclear war, more so along the lines of Evangelion type apocalypse.
Getting drunk while watching Tara Tainton and xev bellringer Mommyporn
>series throws in a love triangle
Fucking dropped
I have read 5 books so far, I would like to read more, give me suggestions. They are 12 Kingdoms, Winternight Trilogy, The One Who Eats Monsters, Deerskin, and The Empire Trilogy.
Here's a description of The One Who Eats Monsters, and why I think it's amazing.
> Instead of a main character that's outclassed by the antagonist and has to struggle to win, in this book the main character is basically an immortal goddess and thoroughly outclasses her enemies. The book's more about her development as a character as she's forced to interact with humans for the first time in her existence.
I hope you're being ironic because that sounds awful.
I have only read 5, if you think that is a low bar. Give me book examples that will improve it.
No.
Check the Charts from the OP.
I read All the Birds in the Sky, would not recommend it. It's quite inoffensive, bland and meaningless. Coming of age, tech vs magic, childhood friend turned rival, apocalypse event and all that.
Dungeon Deposed 2 got released, now, who's going to be the hero that we need but don't deserve and share it?
These are literally just pictures of covers, I'm not picking a book because its cover looks cool. That's dumb.
Who would win in a fight, an eastern warrior cliche that achieved buddhist enlightenment, or an european Christian warrior cliche whose eyes have Been opened and he sees gods love in all things.
They're both losers.
That description does actually sound interesting but I would rather cut of my leg than read a paranormal young adult urban fantasy book. Anyone know any other books with a main character who's not really physically threatened? I've already read Warbreaker.
Pick a cover that looks good, Google the title and read the description.
Nothing speaks more to a books quality than its sense of aesthetic, even the shallow, visual aesthetic of the cover is a good indicator
No one can beat my boi lancelot
Not true. Please be nice
Which kind of Christian, exactly? Because if the Christian is a Circumcellions...
Neither,they would fall in love and make a family
ps:there's actually a book about that
t.brainlet
Warbreaker is similar to what I just described about the protagonist being really powerful from the get go, and how it focuses on other things rather?
Recommend me some good book about wizards, and by wizards I mean old experienced ones.
I definitely DON'T want another book about some faggot teenagers who are just learning abut magic. I want your typical weird old wizards that use their forbidden knowledge and powers for various shenanigans.
It's a generalized archetype, just as the warrior that achieves an enlightenment isn't necessarily from a certain buddhist sect but rather an archetype in orientap storytelling
What book?
There's no way you're serious.
idk what you mean
maybe this
Somewhat. The "gods" are more superhuman than godlike but they are not really threatened. Also there's quite some time spent on non god characters. The book is average.
Dying Earth.
>mfw getting high and finishing Toll the Hounds
HOLY SHIT YOU FUCKERS DID NOT PREPARE ME FOR THIS AMOUNT OF HAPPENING
THIS FEELS LIKE THE MOST HAPPENING SINCE I STARTED THE SERIES BACK WITH MIDNIGHT TIDES AND HAPPENING IS ONLY HALFWAY OVER, SAYS KRUPPE!
I've liked TtH. A lot of shit didn't go the way I wanted it to, or took unexpected turns, but I am enjoying it so far and am interested in seeing where it goes, how it finally ends.
Archives say Dust of Dreams is a prelude to The Crippled God so I am expecting a lot of reveals and events and twists and kooky shit going down in the finale.
Has anyone read this shit?
Should I bother?
>F.M. BUBSY
The cover is nice. Goo for it
>Samantha Shannon
My spider-sense is tingling
This is not the place for you user, go back to your discord server.
Oh she serious all right.
Gesundheit
>a standalone fantasy novel in 2019
The author is to be commended.
two first names HMM
I don't think show, don't tell applies there. Or that it is a good advice in general.
I never read it, I'm new to the general
This place has left me with the impression that Brent Weeks is a massive faggot.
Stormlight does have that, really
Read a bit of Night Angel, can confirm, Brent Weeks is indeed a humongous faggot.
I have tts programs that turn entire ebooks into audiobooks. But until they have better inflections and enunciations I will stick to professional audiobooks. I only pull out the tts when I know a book isn't getting the audio treatment, or my autism is too great for me to wait when a book is released.
The fat drunk that realized Cutting is all that matters in life
That's a nice ass cover.
>an ancient enemy awakens
lmao
Or you know, you could just read them like a normal person, user.
Audiobooks are bad enough but the thought of your weaponized autism producing tts audiobooks from text is giving me the heebie jeebies.
I read half The Citadel of the Autarch in a single sitting while drunk and waiting for a train. It went well. I've also read high, I don't feel like it changed anything, I might have read slightly slower than usual.
I started reading Xeelee. I read about 4 of the books in the series. I hate it.
Cutting weight or cutting himself?
I hate you dinosaur fags that call everything edgy.
You praise edgy shit your burgerland does, but start crying when someone does it in a book. Fuck off before I distill your ass.
Which four?
Cutting Down Your Opponent
The principal art, the only useful one
How many of you faggots speak French?
>Or that it is a good advice in general.
It's actually good advice, but bad writers apply it in a bad way where they forego any kind of descriptions regardless of how necessary they are because that'd be "telling" (which it wouldn't). The advice is about how you describe your world, not describing less.
That said, it's not something you need to think much about in a first draft. There you can easily write something like:
>Frank was angry, but Sarah was happy
But if I read that in a finished book I'm gonna roll my eyes at the author's inability to paint a picture.
manger de la merde fagot
Is this an ironic chart? There's not a single good book in there
It's just memeanon, but if you can't find a single good book then you're blind.
By the way, is Mistborn decent?
I am actually blind. Thanks for triggering me you ableist cunt.
I've been using audiobooks for 11 years. I can't go back to books anymore. Be it ebook or paper. I'm no longer a NEET, so I use audiobooks to multitask and get some enjoyment in my life after coming home from work and having other shit to do with my hands and eyes.
Audiobooks are just essential for the working man. It's why you see a rise in audiobook production. It allows you to enjoy books while having other tasks to complete. They days of melding into a comfy sofa with a book in your hand and not having to worry about bills and getting food are over. Responsibilities are a bitch.
It's only one book though, so it might actually be relevant to the plot.
Would you read more if you went blind?
Raft - Pretty good, interesting setting. Decided to keep reading.
Timelike Infinity - Ehhhh it was ok, but the writing style is starting to grate. "Friends of Wigner"'s plan makes no sense.
Flux - got about halfway through. dropped it. The "beings living in a star" part wasn't interesting enough to balance out the "stronk indian girl saves her tribe" part
Ring - I wanted to like it, since it kind of continued from Timelike Infinity but the characters just killed the desire to continue. More noble savage retardation. Writing style grates even harder with the asides to quote from an astronomy textbook, and the awful dialogue.
Coalescent - midway through, and dropped. It wasn't going anywhere. It's not even sci-fi unless near the end it drops a "oh btw aliens lol"
These are all books I've either read and hated or have never had any interest in whatsoever.
Sanderfag here.
It's probably his most balanced serie. It's a bit too teenager-y sometimes (I found the romance cringy) but other than that it's classic sanderson style. So if you like
>urban fantasy
>detailed magic system
>a well-made intricate plot that actively tries to subvert tropes
>worldbuilding
>bUt wHaT iS iT tO bE a GoD???
If you don't, you probably won't. It doesn't have any character that's as annoying as Shallan tho, so that's a definite plus.
Background.
Over the years we had people come in the general and ask for books with those headings you see in that chart. I took the frequently asked questions and used books that I read to fill them. Young adult books are trash btw.
I've been on the fence about this one, but this may prompt me.
But I thought you only read 5 books? How did you read over 20?
What are some good fantasy books where the mc would be fine with wearing a buttplug and chastity cage in exchange for a kiss?
Different anons, user.
Unironically pic related
I didn't mean a kiss from a man
The girls' backstory was pretty shitty. I hated every minute of it. I saw it coming from a mile away.
Does The Thousand Names get better after the second book? It stopped being not-Napoleon outsmarting desert zealots and demons and turned into a painful focus on the girl soldier and princess.
The novelization of your fathers marriage
My diary, desu
Sure, you still get napoleons invasion of Russia to look forward too. Last book was kind of meh though. Not bad but not special either.
It got too much girl power for me. And I'm super pissed that winter didn't get to taste cock. But the author probably knows that when they lose when they taste cock can't give it up.
Ah yes
That was a good screencap
I'm trying to understand why this book was/is so popular. The dialogue makes me think of tumblr conversations, and the world building is decent, but seems to take bits from every other popular sci-fi work. I can see it as a good gateway book into sci-fi books, but otherwise there are better works.
I wish I could get into them
I usually listen to podcasts and interviews, and even then it can be distracting sometimes when theres too much info to digest
>popular
*crosses arms*
Well Ive never heard of it
It was shortlisted for a few awards, hell, the amazon summary paints it as something similar to Hyperion in scale and popularity.
>The acclaimed modern science fiction masterpiece, included on Library Journal's Best SFF of 2016, the Barnes & Nobles Sci-Fi Fantasy Blog Best Books of 2015, the Tor.com Best Books of 2015, Reader’s Choice, as well as nominated for the Arthur C. Clarke Award, the Kitschie, and the Bailey's Women's Prize.
It took me a while to get into it.
I started audiobooks because I couldn't find the pdf of books online, and shipping a paper book to me all those years ago would have cost me a kidney. I used to have to force myself to pay attention. Now I listen to books once and could argue and meme with the best of sffg. I even find details and connect plots that paper fags miss.
>*actions*
Are you literally a woman?
The fact that you are posting on Yea Forums is pure proof that you have time to read. sorry man. you can make excuses to yourself but you like audiobooks because they are lazy.
Im waiting on Walfo Rabbit
Im just reading text games and Jonathan Strange and Mr Norrel in the meantime
If I make a text game, what would you guys like to see in it?
*unsheathes katana*
No
*rubs dick*
But if you are, Id like to rub your feetsies
It's a safe comfy book where everyone who is on the ship that the MC signs up on is a total buddy. It was so feel-good and saccharin that I dropped the book half-way. The world-building felt simplistic to me.
>he can read Yea Forums posts while simultaneously reading a book, without taking his eyes off the page
You got some skill their man.
>text game
Is this some /tg/ shit? Or some western take on visual novels?
>he doesn't have his third eye open
just be fucking enlightened lmao
Never played a text adventure zoomer?
The Three Stigmata of Palmer Eldritch is like Pathologic, sort of.
Vance's Dying Earth stories, but in particular the Rhialto the Marvelous stories.
If you want more of an occult angle, read James Blish's The Devil's Day. The sequel (with which it is often collected) isn't that great but it's not complete trash either.
THE MAIN CHARACTER IS GONNA DIE I CANT TAKE THIS TENSION
Take a break bro. There's no some law that you have to read X '90s SF novels in a row. As you see, Baxter isn't exactly the most compelling writer.
Also, if you want my opinion on Xeelee in particular, just read the "Vacuum Diagrams" anthology, which is basically Xeelee in short story rather than novel form. If any specific story seems really cool, read the corresponding novel.
It's a typical feel-good story written by a woman. Other examples include The Goblin King and The Time Traveler's Wife.
I like how it's obvious who each character is here, despite not much space being devoted to their physical appearances.
I'm 32, and no. Those dnd shit are for you autistic antisocial cunts who can't go and talk with people.
Cosmerefag is that you raving about Malazan?
Clothes is the biggest meme for women.
You see such an amazing package you literally lust over it. Then you get it home and open your package, and you see the most blatant use of false advertising in the history of man. Nothing is what you expect, they pad and lift everything and you get low quality goods. Fuck clothes. The Romans had it right. You can't hide your damaged goods with bedsheets as clothing.
not a book but Fullmetal Alchemist is what you're looking for, if you haven't already read/watched it. aside from being somewhat more mature, it's literally the exact same style of show and story.
it's kind of hard to recommend books that are comparable to Avatar because so much of its appeal rides on its artstyle and fight scenes, which are aspects that are, respectively, non-applicable or often poorly translate to a written medium. Avatar doesn't have a story or characters that are particularly unique (not to say that it's bad), so chances are that you can pick any number of fantasy books and have them fulfill your qualifications to some degree.
Whats a malazan
>the aztecs believed the world would end with the dying of the fifth sun
>severian is apu-punchau
lads... am i a retard or what
No. Malazan doesn't even have a main character.
>Dust of Dreams has only been mentioned a handful of times since its release
Surprising. I enjoyed Toll the Hounds after about the first 20% or so. What can I expect in Dust of Dreams, boys?
Sanderson has a shitton of flaws, but goddamn his work ethic is a marvel.
similar to Stephen King.
>implying it wasnt kings non stop cocaine use that increased his production to ludicrous levels
>every thread
>MALAZAN SANDERSON MALAZAN SANDERSON MALAZAN SANDERSON MALAZAN SANDERSON MALAZAN SANDERSON MALAZAN SANDERSON
I hate all of you so very much.
Be the change you want to see.
That'd be like running into a McDonald's and screaming it should change into a Burger King.
>Binging some garbage audiobooks
>Having fun
>Suddenly it turns into full blown chinkshit with kowtowing arrogant nobles and everything.
>mfw
Well I finished it. What did I think of it you wonder? All the stories except for one were enjoyable to some degree; I especially liked the very last story The Return of Liron Wolfbaiter since the MC is like an inept Conan who ends up with a dog sidekick trying to survive in a city that has quite literally turned into a nightmare. Quite similar to Karl Edward Wagner's short story collections in that Throne of Bones is also a collection of horror fantasy shorts , but quite different from KEW's brand of horror fantasy. Throne of Bones has a strong streak of black humor running through it and isn't afraid to get graphic with the violence and sex. Also if you're interested in specifically the creature known as the "ghoul" then you should definitely read this book because the author has basically written The Lord of the Rings for ghouls. I very much doubt he'll ever be topped by any other writer when it comes to ghoul fiction.
The problem isn't the concept of show, don't tell, but rather that idiots interpret it in a fundamentally retarded way. You can judge its value on how badly it's misused by idiots, though.
That said, in certain cases it's actually preferable to tell rather than show.
Book?
I am still here, but I do not want to flood the thread with my stuff and am simply continuing to write. It will be a long process, and updates will simply be boring 'finished another chapter of my draft', so I do not want to bore people with stuff.
Also though I would enjoy talking about religion, speculative biology, political movements, or language stuff this thread isn't really for that.
I already overstayed my welcome and don't want to ruin things.
Non Sanderfag here. I would not recommend it.
something something time travel reincarnation something something also yes
It's essentially a slice of life manga in novel form.
Who are you and what is team birdboi? ANSWER ME RIGHT FUCKING NOW OR ILL CUT OFF THAT TURKEYS GOBBLE
Any specific reasons I should avoid a given book on that list?
You are not worthy
dont trust any chart on anything on /sffg/.
read whatever you wanna read and form an opinion on your own.
>tfw no robogf to abuse and watch as she repairs herself
The Plague by Camus
Share some of your work in the writing thread. Ill give you some protips. Dear birdboi, do you also do drawings and the like? I want to see proper slaverbirds.
Birdboi one of your slaves left the plantation.
Just bought the first Malazan book after reading some Cosmere stuff(The Stormlight Archive and Warbreaker) what am I in for?
you know how some fantasy books delight in switching POV every chapter so you get a disjointed mess of a book where you have to remember ten different perspectives, without this actually adding to the story in any real way?
that, but worse
Peake is very much out place on this list
I wish giant birds were more of a thing in fantasy. Especially since they really existed not too long ago.
Tell is preferable to show in MOST cases when it comes to literature. Too many writers these days think they need to write a book like it's a movie.
I know. He belongs in the trash.
>pleb doesn't like peake
Why would you suggest warbreaker to anyone. It's one of his worsts.
>Why would you suggest warbreaker to anyone. It's one of his worsts
Obviously I do not agree. It's also self contained and display most of his usual gimmicks, the only one really missing is excessive world building.
Anyone else having problems logging into audiobookbay?
Characters are unidimensional and half the book is Sanderson trying to be witty, which even cosmerefags admit he's terrible at.
The only book with flatter characters is Elantris, and that was his first novel.
Nope
2 week curse, I'm guessing all those positive reviews with broken english are from the chinese.
>Characters are unidimensional
I mean, Sanderson is hardly a master of characterization to begin with so showing of his amazing characters wasn't really something I cared about when I made the image. This being said I'd say that Lightsong and his priest are among his better characters.
Author fag here, highjacking your question.
If I was writing a book about an elf who lives with elves how should the pronouns be used?
Elfkind, elfhood, etc
>Sanderson is hardly a master of characterization
We can agree on that
>Lightsong and his priest are among his better characters.
The priest I can get behind. Lightsong though is just sanderson's vehicles for witticism, although his anti-clericalism makes him relatively interesting.
I'd argue that Kelsier is one of his bests tho, as he starts out as the typical mentor stock character but is later shown to be extremely flawed in his principles and punished for it.
sonuvva bitch they blocked my country. absolutely haram.
Didn't you know it was the Delvers llc author's foray into chinkshit universe? Read blurbs and some reviews before you read a book.
Writing a book as if its a movie script is the wrong way to show. A movie script relies on people interpreting the script and turning it into something tangible. A book needs to already be a tangible finished product.
>Tell is preferable to show in MOST cases when it comes to literature.
No. At best it's about equal. It's about what the story requires, really. Sometimes it's sufficient to simply say "Judy felt tired, and longed for her bed" but other times it's better to say "Judy's eyelids felt heavy and she found herself almost nodding off."
Just picked up The Worm Ouroboros prelude. What am I in for?
What would you call a female elf? It really triggered me when Robert Jordan described female Ogier as women.
One giant prologue for TCG
Felves and melves
What is... chinkshit?
woelf
>"Judy felt tired, and longed for her bed"
This is way more efficient and to the point than:
>"Judy's eyelids felt heavy and she found herself almost nodding off."
Both are conveying the same exact thing, but your first example would always be preferably to your second example in any context. Someone a lot smarter than the both of us wrote an article about showing and telling in literary fiction. Would you be interested in reading it?
>your first example would always be preferably to your second example in any context.
not him, but lolno.
The two sentences accomplish two different things.
Yea; one is flowery for the sake of being flowery and the other conveys the exact same point, but better.
>Someone a lot smarter than the both of us wrote an article about showing and telling in literary fiction.
If that someone is as smart as you claim, I'm certain their isn't a simplistic generalisations like "your first example would always be preferably to your second example in any context." I'm not certain you're smart enough to realize this, however.
ooo someone's upset. Please explain then when your second example would be preferable outside of flowery-ness for the sake flowery-ness.
Elfina
t. nigger who can't into human expression.
One is factual and puts emphasis into the desire for sleep. The second is more introspective and puts emphasis on Judy's feelings and in an actual novel would more organically lead into an introspective section than the first one.
I mean if you still don't get it, the second sentence makes no mention of her actively wanting to sleep. It's much more passive.
>ooo someone's upset
Not really? I don't know what gives you this impression.
>lease explain then when your second example would be preferable
When Judy being tired, and how that makes her feel, is more important for the scene than that she really wants to be somewhere else (her bed).
I don't think they're overused... they are poorly used though. Rarely are elves portrayed in a way that satisfies me. Post elf kino that may change my mind...
Lord of the Rings
>Those dnd shit
You're really outta your depth here buddy
When someone is tired and wants to go to bed we already know how they feel.
Link?
Jesus what the fuck is this review?
goodreads.com
>those bookshelves
oh no
And we already know how it feels to eat a cake, yet simply writing "Jake ate cake" doesn't actually convey it to the reader. We also know what it feels like to walk through knee-deep water, yet simply writing "Greg walked through knee-deep water" doesn't actually convey it. We already know what it feels like to be incredibly hungry, yet writing "Anya was incredibly hungry" doesn't actually convey it. Etc.
The Broken Sword
I'm starting to think you're actually a robot. Are you Google's AI trying to learn how to pass as human? Because you're not doing very good.
Anyone read Age of Iron or The Gutter Prayer? Are they good?
>Dungeon Deposed 2 audiobook is "Eventually" though Andrea already has the book.
>Fostering Faust 2 audiobook is looking like mid March, late March. Depends on Audible itself.
>eventually
>April
>yet writing "Anya was incredibly hungry" doesn't actually convey it.
lol yes it does. How is this not obvious to you?
Are you actually autistic? Asking for a friend.
>tfw no elf mom
Awww shit. How's the audiobook?
Just as shit as the real book.
>tfw
ick, those saggy tits are gross.
incel
>I'm not attracted to overly unrealistic proportions
>incel
incel.
>overly unrealistic proportions
>in a fantasy race that is lauded as being perfect from a beauty standpoint
yeah nah
get the fuck out of here
I've wondered this for a while now. Then I remembered which thread I was in and realized that he almost certainly is.
better than average. marc vietor is outstanding AND they change the narrator as books change their point of view later on. first book is also on youtube.
youtube.com
AAAAAAAARRRRGGGHHH I NEED A THICC ELF MILF GF
Does anybody here have read pic related? Its been a long time since I first read it and I thought of reading the other two books.
she-elf
I want to read it but it isn't on mobilism or libgen.
>moorcock
You mean aw-hell-no?
Would would she-elves call themselves?
Onaholes
she, her, hers elf
Which current writer is the closest to Tolkien?
Are there some Dark Souls like books? I'm referring to the core gameplay mechanics (like the bonfires) not the lore.
This is even worse than the meme
Lord Dunsany and Clark Ashton Smith
As in what would she-elfs refer to the collective females of the elf race?
Sorry bud but I'm a GAMER. I've always gotten straight A:s in English though so fuck off.
if they have a lisp it's thems elves
Oh man I'm so happy I'm the one who gets to tell you: they made a whole genre of books that are like Tolkien
There's like a million books that are all the exact same stuff buddy you're gonna have so much fun
Just ask for the fantasy section in your local bookstore, shelves upon shelves of elves, dwarfs and wizards more than you could ever read!
Christopher Tolkien
Bazinga
Got it on audible because 11 Wheel of Time books was my limit apparently.
Better not let me down.
That's off of Black Colossus. There's a fantastic single sentence there, where someone mentions Conan looks like a king and the shadow of a thought lays that seed in his mind. Howard had his way with words and the inner turmoil of his characters.
Shelves
Go outside.
Bought the book of the long sun not realizing that book of the new sun exists. Are they completely separate or are they best enjoyed in order?
Epic thanks. Also I have seen that anime but I always get bored pretty quick for whatever reason :/
>Every moment of a science fiction story must represent the triumph of writing over worldbuilding.
>Worldbuilding is dull. Worldbuilding literalises the urge to invent. Worldbuilding gives an unneccessary permission for acts of writing (indeed, for acts of reading). Worldbuilding numbs the reader’s ability to fulfil their part of the bargain, because it believes that it has to do everything around here if anything is going to get done.
>Above all, worldbuilding is not technically neccessary. It is the great clomping foot of nerdism. It is the attempt to exhaustively survey a place that isn’t there. A good writer would never try to do that, even with a place that is there. It isn’t possible, & if it was the results wouldn’t be readable: they would constitute not a book but the biggest library ever built, a hallowed place of dedication & lifelong study. This gives us a clue to the psychological type of the worldbuilder & the worldbuilder’s victim, & makes us very afraid.
What are some fantasy Yea Forums that focuses on war and politics?
yawn
I'd recommend reading in order even if they are fairly disconnected
BotnS is great
Thanks friend
Masters of Rome
Shadow of the Torturer sounds like some edgy garbage but it's honestly very beautiful
I hope you enjoy it as much as I did
The Martian Chronicles is top comfy reading. How does Bradbury do it lads? The first chapter is hardly a page and yet I feel the rocket summer interupting my current winter surroundings
I partly agree. World building is great as a behind the scenes kind of thing. Extensive world building can really help the setting come alive, but (and this is a big but) on the caveat that it's not shown to the reader, and certainly never shoved down the reader's throat. Much like how you can look at crumbled ruins and see that they were once a single magnificent building, so too does proper world building with broken references and assumptions of previous knowledge that all point in the same direction make the setting of the story come alive in the reader's mind.
I agree to some degree. The world building like like the best tend to be books where they use the real world but add some things or a very similar world to ours. It gives the writer opportunity to create dept in a vast world. Creating that in a made up world is possible but very hard.
yeah but Dune reads like fanfic
Story > Character > World-building
The point of science fiction and fantasy is fictional and fantastical, people almost never put that into the characters but into the world.
Most sci fi and fantasy authors are terrible at world building though.
>people almost never put that into the characters but into the world.
You are either extremely retarded or have barely read any fantasy or sci-fi. Or both honestly. There's a difference between setting your story in a fantasy or sci-fi world and prioritizing world-building over story and character. Focus on the story first THEN character THEN world-building.
>stop liking what I don't like
There's a valid point hidden in here about writing a story set in a fantasy world rather than an encyclopaedia for one. But it's buried in obnoxious faggotry.
I'm not sure about the reader's perspective, but from the author's, excessive worldbuilding is a poison that can only stop you from writing. Readers are never going to see every single lovingly crafted detail of your setting, and most of 'em won't even care.
>t. world-builder
Agreed. Each line of that post gets exponentially more stupid.
See:
Absolutely based
This,worldbuilding and shitty intricate magic systems is what killed modern fantasy
new
I am in need of more low action court intrigue/mystery similar to Bujold's Memory (Vorkosigan Saga) and Curse of Chalion (Five Gods), Katherine Addison's The Goblin Emperor or parts of Robin Hobb's Fitz books.
Preferably more upbeat/positive like the former. Hobb likes to torture her protagonists too much.
>i want a book about the worst part of the games and not the best part
most contemporary fantasy doesnt even have elves
>everything must stay the same from when I was a kid
dinofag