How do you give a Batman movie *that* feeling

>It should be treated more like a detective movie. Have him sneak around, shake punks in alleyways for information, that kind of deal
see Yes it had nice visual but it was preoccupied with them and didn't care one iota for Batman who had little screen time

>Director: Matt Reeves
>Batman: Robert Pattinson
>Noir esque
>2020

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yeah that's gonna be a shitshow

The Jewker?

30s Opera like Mekkie Messer and Jazz
Art Deco
Dress the characters like normal people and use as many noir tropes and angles as much as possible.
Make the President a Herbert Hoover stand-in
Keep the Gilded Age Aesthetic

>30s
>art deco
>gilded age
1 of these is not like the other

By bringing Tim Burton back as a director

lolwut
Batman and Bernard Hermann go together like ham & eggs
Listen to this: youtube.com/watch?v=_9OE7fSYaqE
You can almost SEE the mntage of Batmans war on crime and the mounting news reports and police radio chatter

jonah hill as the penguin

You understand right that he had no interest in Batman or even comicbooks in general, right? He apparently said he never read comics because he couldn't figure out how to read the panels.
He was just doing it for the career opportunity and to play with production design, he was very bored with Batman it shows through.

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A long montage of Batmans war on crime
He is never fully seen, it is all in quick cuts and closeups, with smoke, rain, flashes of lightening
Interspaced with news coverage and police inquiries/radio reports

He can do set and maybe costume work for it. His Gotham looked more comic booky than just Chicago with a bat signal. But keep him away from any actual story control.

>Ladies. Gentlemen. You have eaten well. You've eaten Gotham's wealth. Its spirit. Your feast is nearly over. From this moment on -- none of you are safe.

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>He apparently said he never read comics because he couldn't figure out how to read the panels.
And he made one of the best comic book movies. Hack Snyder is self-reportedly a big fan of comics but he produces crap.

I know Gilded Age is pushing it. But i have to sneak in Thomas and Martha Wayne dying before the 1930s so that the entire Gilded Age to make sense of it since it is the era of America where Big Oil like Rockefellers are having the most money.

He still managed to make not one but two Batman kinos

>He apparently said he never read comics because he couldn't figure out how to read the panels.
They lied to us..

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>They lied to us..

Society?

>implying we'll be lucky enough to get a faithful year one adaptation

Burton was on the right track so was Synder but both dropped the ball with having Batman kill people.
Batman as a character is a detective and needs to be shown actually investigating crimes not having magic computers that tell him everything

DC editors

retard
youtube.com/watch?v=psVIG7YvdjM

>Have him sneak around, shake punks in alleyways for information, that kind of deal
The first Nolan Batman was far more like this than the subsequent two in the trilogy. That's why it's the best movie of the three.

BatKINO will come back soon.. trust me..

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he could be good but I just have no faith in the director or WB

its not it has a lot of cheese in it, the police dialogue in the chase, Ra's greatly watered down, Bruce simplified training, Batman watered down and Lucius handling all the science, etc

>he could be good but I just have no faith in the director
Why? Reeves is much better than Nolan. He's also a big fan of Batman and actually read comics

It's fine if he had him kill people, it's just that he never redeems himself.
What if after saving Superman then he goes back to non-leathal means again?

compared to the 'gritty action movies featuring Batman' style of TDR and Rises?

have you ever watched noir, there is a lot of cheese

By being 1980s prime Tim Burton, when he was younger and still gave a fuck,

it's a childrens comic, the grimdark shit isn't doing it any favours. just look at this

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Isn't that from Fate/Zero?

The white cave sucked. Worst thing about Nolan's interpretation of Batman.

>takes place in the early 80s
>half the movie is ground level detective work with batman
>maybe a short scene or two about bruce wayne's double life and his fake trump-ish personality
>rest of the scenes from the criminal's pov
>basically the godfather but occasionally a dark bat horned figure fucks shit up
and don't even hold back on hamming it up as long as they keep a noir tone and aesthetic with Gotham city I'm A-okay with a guy in tights jumping rooftop to rooftop to fight armed wops
absolutely no joker though, that fucker is stale as fuck and you literally can't top Hamill joker

Based weebanon

where is the cheese in the Maltese Falcon, The Killing, or Chinatown?
Batman has been mature since the late 1960s

The worst part is that the actual batcave in Begins was pretty kino

produced the most accurate batman to date

Read a comic and know that he kills people.
You're showing that you only watched the cartoon and Nolan trilogy.

>he doesn't know about the full decade Bruce spent away from the cave and operating out of a penthouse apartment

>accurate
>cold blooded killer
u wot

sure thing man, whatever you say

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>Batman killed people 80 years ago means Batman kills people

is this true? or are you referencing those early 40s comic books? what are some stories where he kills

the comics

it's as if context must be spoon fed to you.
Since that's the case just stick with the mcu dude.
Dialogue is truly lost on you.
The times you see him killing, he was already on a war path, then after fighting superman, it's pretty much get the fuck out of the way you're not innocent in this and I have someone innocent to rescue.

>How do you give a Batman MOVIE *that* feeling
Yea Forums - TELEVISION & FILM

Thank god you're not in charge of the movies.

only one of those is legit noir

every thread someone makes this retarded suggestion. how do you people not get tired of reposting this every time for years on end

this is terrible. here's what you REALLY do:

film 1
>it's been 15 years Bruce has been out of commission
>basically the first half of TDKR with Harvey Dent and Batman's victory over the Mutant army. You'd have some space to stretch out the plot and add a little helpful characterization.
>there are bits and pieces with Supes here and there. they have they're little disagreement but it isnt until the end you see the president telling supes to settle things down

film 2
>basically the second half of TDKR
>Joker is a big part and its necessary to sprinkle him in and create the proper pacing to have his arc and the superman battle to end the film.

film 3
>idk, doesnt matter. maybe you dont do a 3

>triggered by criticism of based Snyder
lel

why not just say
>just do tdkr
like im not agreeing or disagreeing with you but you just wasted my time

>since this is TELEVISION & FILM we can only cite a previous tv show for source material
All 3 are
>muh old man batman trope
stop that

They just did that with the Snyder films
Whats wrong with the suggestion to have a proper first Batman movie that is just him vs crime and introducing the characters supporting characters and lore?

Tbh just copy sin city style, but do it with batman in it.

So...Fighting the Court of Owls?

>how do you people
it's been just me the whole time
I'm memeing my idea to the big screen

set in an alternate noir universe marrying 1930s art deco aesthetics with occasional 90s era tech, just like the television show. first film is primarily the mob and 1 choice of supervillain but only a plausible one.. no 3000 year old generals or crocodile people or 40 foot high venus fly traps... although you could make a tamer version of them.

yea, its not a bad idea. but i have to say your idea is shit because we're here and i had a different idea.

also, the snyder films didn't do tdkr. they took select aesthetic elements and mushed them together with a million other plots. i understand tdkr can't happen now as a result of his mess, but it's the way it should have been.

just get paul dini and bruce timm to write it. I honestly don't know why DC won't just hire them to screenwrite their films since Batman TAC, Batman Beyond, Justice League, JLU were all kino as fuck.

impressive if true

Batman Returns is better in this regard.

Anyone got a recommended list of Batman kino, or even other decent DC stuff? I wanna get into it.

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i really worry about this personally. i worry they'd feel pressured (or actually be pressured) to make massive sjw statements to avoid the shitstorm if they didnt. maybe that's why they havent done it.. maybe they were offered gigs and turned it down so they wouldnt have to get into that.

You squeeze so much into one script that I'm afraid you're really working in Hollywood.

>bruce timm
I stopped trusting him after the Batman and Harley Quinn movie and that weird Bruce X Barbara ship he had.

the intro to justice league still gives me chills to this day. god damn what a good theme youtube.com/watch?v=MXph0arElKs

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>The Dark Knight Returns by Frank Miller
there is an animated version that's pretty true to the comic if you dont feel like reading it. This is ESSENTIAL batman
>Batman The Animated Series (4 seasons and a couple movies)
This is also essential. these first two iterations are best batman

because studio executives are braindead

>Whats wrong with the suggestion to have a proper first Batman movie that is just him vs crime
Nothing
It's literally what everyone wants and has been saying for ever.
Why WB is deaf to this is what I don't get, especially after the success of BB.

I don't understand why everyone freaked out about Bruce and Barbara when Killing Joke came out even though Batman TAS and Batman Beyond confirmed that Bruce cucked Dick and became lovers with Barb

Give full freedom to Snyder and he will elevate comickbook cringe and embarrassing try hard cartoons to actual art.

>I don't understand why everyone freaked out about Bruce and Barbara when Killing Joke came out even though Batman TAS and Batman Beyond confirmed that Bruce cucked Dick and became lovers with Barb
People already had a problem with it during TAS and Beyond, Killing Joke just took it to the next level with the sex scene.

Stop acting like Batman is taking place in real life.

>Stop acting like Batman is taking place in real life.
Have we forgotten about Phoenix Jones already?

he had full freedom in man of steel and bvs you moran

andy moran?

Will we ever see a non-dogshit Riddler?

this would be worth it for the memes alone

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How can you do a modern Riddler that isn't Saw?

It has been done many times. What do Riddler and Saw even have in common, aside from the elaborate plans?

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Please god don't let Rihanna be cast as Ivy

Batman: Year Zero

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I hope Matt casts new Joker and Black Mask. Fuck Leto and fuck this Birds of Prey faggot version

You haven't even seen Black Mask

John Mulaney

maybe genderswapping or blackwashing him will help

Model him after zodiac and his cyphers

cats is a musical, user...

Really?

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Kenan Thompson as the Penguin.

He looks like a Miami drug lord.

>mmxix year of the lord
>casting an actual redhead for a redhead character

Yes?

waste of digits on a retard

Tell me about Roman! Why doesn't he wear the mask??

This is very much what he is, except in a black mask. A lot if not most of Batman villains are nothing but gangsters in clown suits.

Zsasz looks like a faggot too.

Hush, War of Jokes and Riddles, also this: Riddler is one of the most threatening DC villains in the comics, it's really unfortunate what happened to him in live action cinema.

Some actors, especially in capeshit, have this weird requirement that they NEED to show their full face on camera, even if the character they play usually has their face covered. There are some exceptions, such as pic related.

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You're right. Any actress can wear a wig. They should really choose her on the basis of her acting abilities, because Lord knows: Poison Ivy really needs a competent actress to avoid becoming a repeat of Batman Forever.

It's the art deco style. And they should hire dini to write.

Holy shit, get his ass dude

There is all ways to much focus on Bruce Wayne, he is bat man, Wayne died in that alleyway.

I think he promised never to write Batman again.

What in the name of FUCK did they do to Cassandra Cain?

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Why?

Tired.

you can't anymore. they deconstructed heroism and replaced it it cynicism.

And Dredd

I thought the opera they went to see was Zorro, but whatever. I think Nolan's movies are pretty good Batman movies.

>Robert Pattinson
Yeah, no. Guy's a fucking moron and there is not a chance he could pull it off.

Well, BTAS was really like 1950s Noir + Burton's Aesthetic, if he actually gave a shit about Batman.

I think the character has been too interpreted as a high tech armored military guy who rides a giant tank.
They have to bring back the detective work. The Neo-Noir tone.
Less intimidation and grit like Affleck. Casuals don't view him as the broken character Snyder wanted.
Some of Nolan's high tech gadgets to make him modern, but keep the suit slim.

And then emulate Keaton's mannerisms of an unnatural being that flies in the air. With better technology, we don't need campy and jerky movements. We can actually try to emulate how Bruce can use the image of a Bat to invoke himself as a creature of the night.

Nolan got that part in Batman Begins, but ditched it in favor of a more science and technological tone with its sequels.
Damn shame.
Begins was the most faithful Batman film to date imo.

Ironic he didn't make his trilogy a Noir story like Memento.

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Daily reminder that our current Batman played on a guitar in Death Grips song, fucked FKA Twigs and worked with Cronenberg
Is this the most based Batman we ever had?

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Bale is way more based

It was an opera do that Bruce fear of bats could be triggered by the dancers and force the family to take the emergency exit instead of the main door (can't leave or enter normally once the concert has began, gotta wait until intermission)

Aside from Clooney, there hasn't been a single non-based actor to partake in this role. It's a reverse Superman curse.

he was created by jews though

>we already had the perfect Bruce Wayne in Bale, he literally just had to play Patrick Bateman again
>could have been the perfect Batman too if Nolan didn't fuck that up
Why are we still here? Just to suffer?

By not letting it direct Nolan. Begins had a "feel", but DTK and DTKR were generic thrillers with people doing cosplay for a weird reason. He fucked it up.

Have zack Snyder direct

idris elba

With Leto as Joker? Never.

Kind of sad that someone who didn't care about the comics made two great Batman movies that still hold up.

Mayhaps it's the director and not the material.

That poster is so ironic it hurts

The Jokike

this

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Everything that contradicts the animated series is non canon trash and should be disregarded my man.