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The twist at the end was fucking lame
I thought it was actually going to be about first contact. Like with aliens with a descernable culture and technology you can actually vaguely comprehend. This was just dumb squid space magic with a sappy message at the end. My mom liked it but I was massively disappointed.
great film hated by soulless discordtrannies
>You know I've had my head tilted up to the stars for as long as I can remember. You know what surprised me the most? It wasn't meeting them. It was meeting YOU.
Get rid of some of this cliche dialogue and this movie would be so much better. Honestly the first time I watched this it seemed like I was already about to guess what the characters would say, then they would say what I was thinking and I started laughing when I wasn't supposed to.
Amazing isn't it? They took the idea of contact with aliens, and made it boring.
Took some serious effort I imagine
The only people that liked this movie are literal fags
>OMG AMY ADAMS IS COMMUNICATING WITH THE SQUID INK BEINGS
>OMG OMG WHATD THEY SAY
Close encounters of the 3rd kind already did the translation angle and did it better
They mis marketed this film completely.
From the trailer, it looks like these aliens appear on Earth, then some humans talk to them, then you would think that there's gonna be some serious alien ass kicking, but nooo, not in this faggy film, where nothing actually happens.
The movie ended when i thought shit was starting.
USE WEAPON HURRRRRRR
Calling movies you don't like boring is not a legitimate critique.
Plot wise this movie was average. I think it's an interesting take on the "first contact" genre, but the ending was lackluster.
The cinematography was what saved the movie for me and kept me interested. The initial scene when they first get inside the ship was my favourite of the whole movie.
Soundtrack and sound design in general was incredible too.
>there's gonna be some serious alien ass kicking
lmao are you 12
zoom zoooooooooooooooom
Never saw it, but my friend/boss cried after seeing it for it's strong anti abortion message that I don't think anyone else took away from it.
>Hmm, what would I expect to see in a film about aliens vitisng Earth?
>Is it that they will be engaged in action packed scenes of intergalactic warfaree?
>Or is it that fucking nothing will happen for two fucking hours?
It was a decent movie all in all, but far from Villeneuve's best work.
yeah yeah we get it you're a fortnite zoomer kiddie no need to double confirm it
I work as Robert when this movie came out, when people asked me what it was I simply said Contact but with less religion and more science fiction. Most people disliked it because they thought it was gonna be a humans Vs. aliens movie but instead they got a sci fi film about communication and time travel.
The short story it's based on it much better, and the book of short stories it's in is filled with little gems.
M8 if aliens came to earth with destructive tendencies the human race would be fucked faster than your mum on a Friday night
Close Encounters is retarded with the translation because there is absolutely no reason that the aliens would have the same equal temperament tuning as us. Equal temperament isn't even a global standard on Earth. It's a good movie but the translation angle is so much better in arrival.
Not him but, in any movies with aliens youd expect more than
>We gotta translate
Aliens don't attempt to kill anyone, aliens don't do anything after people translate their message
This is the equivalent of going to see a movie about an expedition into the amazon where you expect the explorer to find a lost city, treasure, etc. but instead he spends the whole movie trying to learn to speak to the natives
Whats the book of short stories?
Yep it gets bogged down in its own arse
Only gets worse on rewatch
Story of Your Life and Others by Ted Chiang. It's hit and miss but some of them are great. Story of Your Life itself is the short story Arrival was based on.
Zoomer pleb filter
Dear god how much of a capeshitter are you? Do you think every film set in WW2 has to be about le epic killing of nazis? Do you think every film set in space has to be about alien lazers and explosions?
Absolutely embarrassing.
Nice one, thanks m8
The first act of the film was extremely good. The first contact scene was easily one of the best executed first contact scenes in cinema history.
It was an actual experience watching it in cinema, Villeneuve knows how to build and create tension.
The rest of the film was not on par.
No one cares what you expected. How about you read a damn synopsis next time crybaby.
It was mediocre as fuck. Good cast carried it. Otherwise predictable globalist shilling. I'm not letting that affect my review of the movie outside of how predictable the whole we need to come together element was.
The language stuff was fascinating. Then everything after that sucked a fat dick. It wasn't painful to watch though. Probably the most 5/10 movie I've seen.
>Dear god how much of a capeshitter are you? Do you think every film set in WW2 has to be about le epic killing of nazis? Do you think every film set in space has to be about alien lazers and explosions?
>Absolutely embarrassing.
>BANG BANG GOOD
>NO BANG BAD
>abbot is in death process
it was kino
>N-NO YOU CANT HATE A GOOD SLOW BURN WHERE THE MORAL OF THE STORY IS HUMAN KIND HAS TO COME TOGETHER
>THEY'RE MAKING A MOVIE THAT ISN'T DIVISIVE SO IT'S SHIT
The moral of the story is have children, which ofcourse you can't you soulless tranny
>OMG THIS MOVIE SO SPEAKS TO ME
>COUNTRIES REALLY SHOULD DISARM AND UNITE UNDER 1 FLAG SO BRILLIANT
Why can't anybody make hard science fiction anymore? Seems like it always has to have some mysticism attached to it nowadays.
my god you're insufferable.
This could be great, but it was utterly boring. fuck this movie
It makes no sense how the ayys use time as language.
>I talked to your wife, ching chong
GodDAMN, Villeneuve.
>IF WE DON'T PURGE THE WORLD OF OTHERS, WE'LL NEVER HAVE TRUE PEACE
the ending relies on pulling information from an impossible future
literally my timetravel pet peeve
>SEPERATE NATION STATES MEANS GENOCIDE
>FINALLY A MOVIE THAT GETS IT
>NATIONALISM HAS NEVER LED TO GENOCIDE
Hard science fiction is absolute garbage
Literally every single great sci-fi film has always been just a vessel to explore the human condition, from 2001 to Blade Runner, the science is just the setting where it takes place in.
>NATIONALISM? THE NAZIS WERE NATIONALISTS SO ALL NASTIONIALISM IS BAD
>THIS MOVIE JUST REALLY GETS IT
>not a single city got destroyed
Laaaaaaaame
Great movie, you're a pleb
>GLOBALISM? THE JEWS ARE GLOBALISTS SO ALL GLOBALISM IS BAD
Name a better movie about a first contact with aliens than "Mars Attacks".
I'll wait.
ughhhhhh this was so booooriiiiiing
I expected some cool fights and explosions, but literally nothing happens just people talking so boring
it's even called There Will Be Blood and there's no blood at all so dishonest yuck
>IF YOURE NATIONALISTS YOU OBVIOUSLY ARE ANTISEMETIC CAUSE THE NAZIS WERE AND THEY WERE NATIONALISTS
>IM SO HAPPY WE HAVE NEW CLEVER MOVIES TO REALLY GET THE POINT ACROSS THAT WE GOTTA COME TOGETHER JUST LIKE JOHN LENNON DREAMED
>EVERYTHING IS HAPPY AND COLORFUL UNDER NATIONALISM, UNLIKE THE DYSTOPIA JOHN LENNON WOULD BRING UPON US
>OMG OMG HUMANITY HAS TO COME TOGETHER OR WE WILL BE SO BARBARIC LIKE THE PEOPLE IN THE MOVIE
someone literally just tl;dr this movie, i heard it was garbage and im way too lazy to even fucking read the wikipedia plot
t. cumbrain
>HUMANITY IS STRONGER WHEN IT'S DIVIDED, WE CAN TAKE ON GLOBAL CHALLENGES SEPARATELY
>THERE ARE SO MANY GLOBAL CHALLENGES WE FACE OMG HOW CAN WE HANDLE THE FUTURE WITHOUT US HAVING OPEN BORDERS WITH PAPUA NEW GUINEA
>THIS MOVIE JUST TOTALLY UNDERSTANDS THE DIRECTION WE NEED TO GO
This but unironically
get a room already
>GLOBALISM MEANS OPEN BORDERS FOR EVERYONE, SO FUCK WORKING TOGETHER
>OMG GET A ROOM CENTRISM IS SO HIP
Ok here ya go last soi jack I got I think
Movie is still gay
no u
you mfer
Aliens come to earth in spaceships and they have a pictorial language and a woman who has experience decoding language or something is appointed to try and figure it out. She keeps having past memories of a dead daughter throughout the movie turns out her being around the aliens meant they gave her the power to move randomly through time and the visions she was having are actually the future. She uses said power to bring the countries of earth together so the aliens just came to to give humanity that power and then they left the end.
the aliens came so humans can help them in 3000 years you dummy
oh yeah my bad
So the sequel will have action? Just like in my anime Kuromukuro, so cool
No the sequel will feature Amy Adams again. This time she has to watch paint dry and figure out which flake will fall first and prevent her daughter from eating it due to possible lead content
there's no sequel, it's a complete narrative
>there's no sequel, it's a complete narrative
yeah, completely BAD
NAILED IT
are you 12
AYOOOOO*dabs*
just tell me what happened, it looks like a slow talky movie with a gay lovey space hippie message at the end
yes yes it's exactly that now back to your capeshit/starshit thread
I hate aliens so damn much
*Spoilers for this film ahead*
>aliens come to earth >government hires Amy Adams and Jeremy Renner to translate their language >turns out that when you know their language you can see through time >Amy tells china leader to stop a war because she knows what his dead wife said to him before she died - also it keeps cutting to her memories of her kid dying but it turns out that hasn't happened yet and in the future Amy and Jeremy fall in love and it's their kid
Hope spoilers work with green text like that, sorry if not everyone
Why the fuck would you spoonfeed a 2016 election tourist capeshitter that has no actual interest in the movie?
Did they put strange things in you user?
Imagine making a film so boring that you have to have something not in the movie on poster
What? It literally is in the movie
They were demons
A very acceptable film. Not exciting but deeply decent. Unremarkable, without a lasting impression, but certainly well made and smart.
I like helping people, but that's a good point
It's interstellar 2. Pretentious with no real depth.
Been a while since I saw it, none of it takes place in a city though I thought
There's like 12 different locations of those alien ships in the film
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>implying some trite love story to sell a lukewarm first contact story with some time shit shoved in to bridge the two isn't starshit
no (you)
>best sci fi film of the millennia
>underaged memesters call it boring
Yep, checks out
Is there any movie that is NOT hated by this board?
Everything subtle, not straightforward and a bit confusing gets always some autistic screeching as a review in here
>>underaged memesters call it boring
This. Every single time.
Well i guess you just didn't understand it.
It's not time travel, you're a brainlet and an idiot. It's a closed-off time loop dependent on itself. It doesn't make sense if time is linear. But since the entire premise of the film is that time isn't linear, it makes perfect sense.
>WHERE WERE MUH EXPLOSIONS?
Wasn't this basically an anti-abortion movie?
She decided to get the child even though the "remembered" that the kid is going to die of cancer as a teen.
It's so sad that they replaced all the great sci-fi stuff from the short story with a retarded political subplot. Instad of Fermat's principle of least time we got "dude, it's one of twelve!". This could have been a scifi classic for the ages.
>Wasn't this basically an anti-abortion movie?
No. Her decision not to abort her child was not an argument that no woman should ever abort their child. Just like License to Kill isn't a film arguing that murder should be legal
I really liked the directing and atmosphere, the actual story was meh at best.
Not everything has a political subtext.
>time isnt linear, it doesnt have to make sense!
time is not linear in the movie, that doesnt mean that causality doesnt need to apply
i have no problem with her travelling to the future to find the anser
but she didnt travel to the future
she travelled to an alternate universe where she managed to find out chingchongs wifes name by unknown means
nothing in amy adams timeline could have led to the events we see when she travels into the "future"
also, what a great movie where nothing has to make sense and no causality needs to apply to anything
must have been a real challenge to write
She didn't 'travel' idiot. She "remembered" the future. Entirely different.
She doesn't travel anywhere you dumb fuck, there is literally no time travel in the film.
Only her perception of time changes where she "remembers" the future just like we remember our past in the form of memories, once she grasps the non linear language she experiences everything simultaneously at the same "time", it's not like she views a youtube video of her future and then continues her life normally, there is no A or B point exactly because it's non linear.
Watch the film again
same difference though
the events she remembers could not under any circumstance occur
...
Except time's not linear, which is literally the entire premise of the film that you completely fail to grasp
most of Yea Forums is too stupid for this movie
its a hokey story but with great direction and acting. plus amy adams is extremely fuckable
This movie was great except for the forced romance between Amy Adams and Jeremy Renner
I agree with your opinion dear sir
I would've liked to see how other countries were translating the language especially the chinese with mahjong. And for once human alien(animal/supernatural) conflict wasnt due to some retard firing his gun in fear. Chinese had legitmate fears, and it was also established how wrong translation can fool you.
Your criticism would make sense if the scene was inconsistent. So if she remembered/saw an event in the future like her husband being hit by traffic, and then told him to stay in that day so that he didn't get hit, that would be bad writing. Because if the event didn't end up happening, then there'd be no way she could've seen it happen in the future (under the film's rules about time).
However, that's not what happens. What happens is that she needs a phone number. And then sees an instance in the future where everything's been resolved and fixed. And at the celebration part, she bumps into the general (whose number she needs in the past) and he says that he feels like she should have his phone number. Past her, upon seeing this, uses this information to call past him. With this event happening, it means that situation can be resolved so that they can have the celebration where he can give her his number. It's a closed loop and perfectly consistent.
To go further, the entire film is built on the same principle. The aliens only come to earth because they see that in the future earth saves them after they gift earth with their language. So they have to go to earth to gift them their language. If they hadn't seen this in the future, they wouldn't even know earth exists or where it was. It's not a plot hole or anything close, it's a closed off loop.
Your criticism is really "can closed off loops exist?"
Ie, the 'can you become your own grandfather?' paradox. And depending who you ask, this is either completely fine or illogical. But there are strong arguments for both sides and I guarantee you haven't read any of either side.
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You guys know that Jeremy Renner can sing?
jesus christ
what does non-linear mean?
it means one event does not follow the other
so, if you have linear time and you place an apple at time A, time progresses along points B, C, D etc.
if you have non-linear time and you place an apple at time A you can pick it up at time C before it progresses to B
but there still has to be some point where you place an apple, either in your perceived past or future
amy adams remembers the apple even though she never placed one and will never place one
Why? I understood the movie, that doesn't mean it's good.
Just because you "understand" a joke, it doesn't mean it's funny.
No, you're interpreting 'non-linear' wrongly. In this context, it means that all time occurs simultaneously. We view it in an order that implies/follows causality. But the point is that, the apple is always in time a, b and c.
Your mistake is to assume one can actually travel to point c and interrupt point b. But the film has zero time travel and implies determinism.
The heptapod language is pretty cool. A written language like that separate from actual vocalization is what we're probably going to have eventually with the break neck pace online use is changing ours.
Oof too early for cringe like that, user.
All villameme films are boring
>What happens is that she needs a phone number. And then sees an instance in the future where everything's been resolved and fixed
exactly
the thing needed to resolve and fix everything can only be found once everything is fixed and resolved
i guess it's perfectly consistent once you accept that things dont need to be consistent if you have shitty timetravel rules
Well meme magic is already a thing. And I can't count the number of times I've seen people making theoretical memes on facebook/instagram/imgur about if a zombie apocalypse actually took place or if the a giant asteroid was heading to earth.
Based on this, I'd say we're rapidly approaching a point where we (collectively) will have already reacted to any major events before they happen purely due to memes. It's interesting to see it unfold in real time
>the apple is always in time a, b and c.
by your own admission it is not>sees an instance in the future
>Why?
Just look at this thread.
>I understood the movie, that doesn't mean it's good.
Never said it's good.
I like how read that part and then immediately ignored everything I wrote afterwards that you didn't understand.
If at time a, I see an apple in time k, the apple does not suddenly exist in time a. The apple still only exists in the times that it exists.
Pleb filtered
>The apple still only exists in the times that it exists.
exactly my point
and it doesnt exist in the times it doesnt exist in
like the ones that amy adams is in
now cry more about how i just dont understand you deep movie
The fact that you just typed that proves that you clearly can't comprehend the fairly basic premise of the film or non-linear time in general.
Better than 2049 at least
>is everybody exactly the same?
Fraid not
>doesn't understand that seeing the future isn't the same as time travel
>thinks everyone else is the idiot
(You)
I dont know it seems to me like you're just contradicting yourself to avoid admitting how shallow of a plotdevice the grandfather paradox is.
Like
>If at time a, I see an apple in time k, the apple does not suddenly exist in time a. The apple still only exists in the times that it exists.
This has literally been my argument from the start.
You can keep saying
>you just dont understand the film
>you just dont understand non-linear time
but at this point i feel like it says more about you than anyone else itt.
i do and have adressed it
>This has literally been my argument from the start.
No it hasn't. Your argument is "how can someone influence something in the past with information from the future that hasn't happened?"
These are not even kind of the same thing. And I have addressed in a lot of detail here and you have continued to ignore the majority of the post in such a way that I can only assume that you didn't understand 90% of it.
Woah, is this the brainlet meetup?
>all the people feeling superior and calling the folks that didn't like this plebs like it's some hard to appreciate esoteric high art film and not just another ok pseud popcorn flick made by a household name director
That's the sad part, the film isn't even remotely complex yet Yea Forums is STILL too braindead for it.
>talk about the film in a stupid way showing you've clearly misinterpreted large parts of it
>"OMG what do you mean I didn't get it? Get off your high horse, this is mainstream trash"
You are having real troubles grasping this so here goes my last attempt.
Consider the following:
Instead of Amy remembering bumping into the chink at the "crisis resolved"-party, she remembers failing.
She remembers being one of the few survivors and how harsh it all is blabla and then years later by pure chance she meets Chingchong at the last refuge for humans or some shit at he says o by the way my phone number used to be this and there's also some tragic whatever with my wife.
And then WHOOOOOOSH Amy can use the info she learned FROM HER POSSIBLE future to influence the events of the past and prevent that horrible shit from happening.
Oh look, suddenly there's no plothole in your movie.
>b-b-but muh closed loop
>it's m-m-more about commenting on determinism
>n-n-no you dont understand non-linear time
To put this in terms of your beloved grandfather paradox, Arrival tries to do this but without actually fucking the grandmother.
>proposing a what if scenario
But that didn't happen. And that couldn't happen because, as I already stated, the film implies determinism.
Now stop being an idiot. This is like saying "but what if Leonardo DiCaprio got shot in the face and then walked it off after the elevator scene in The Departed. Boy, that would've been stupid".
it's providing a minor 30 second montage tweak to a movie to fix its logical flaws
but by all means ignore the point im trying to make and continue thinking arrival is this misunderstood masterpiece because all the dumb normies are too stupid to understand timetravel
The written source material was a way better way of presenting the time bending linguistic first contact memes.
But user... there was a cool explosion.
You literally just said, "consider the following..." and then proposed an entire different sequence of events. This is known as a what-if scenario. It doesn't work as a criticism because it didn't happen and the film implies/states that it couldn't happen.
Again, you are an idiot.
arrivalfags btfo
>that's a what if scenario you cant do that
user, it's just an example to show you why the timetravel mechanics in the movie are borked.
based kind user
Pretty good for them adapting a concept album from 40 years ago
>boring is OFF LIMITS
There's this interview with Michael Haneke where in response to an outlandish interpretation of a film of his he says something to the effect that the pigeons in the film are... just pigeons. There are a lot of pigeons in Paris, or something like that. Sometimes a pigeon walks into a shot. Sometimes a film is overwhelmingly boring. Don't be pretentious and claim "there's always something good", as if it were remotely the aim of criticism to refrain from hurting feelings and, in this case, speaking the truth.
>timetravel mechanics
It ruined the realism and grounded science of the whole movie for some time magic bullshit
>americans are the smartest in the world
>can literally travel through time using words
>manage to 'fix' history by telling the dumb chinese not to fuck it up again
how this movie not capeshit
Please, in detail, explain what you refer to when you say "magic bullshit"