Why was Hickman's Avengers run broken into two books when all the important characters and all of the important plot...

All the Beyonder stuff was in adjectiveless. Regardless, New Avengers may have provided the grist for his mill, but adjectiveless was much more of an Avengers book.

I liked the run except for the frequent problem of his cool ideas building to nowhere, like the Alephs and the Beyonders. Also, he mismanaged a couple big fights during Infinity where whole books were just panels of characters posing with past tense narration. Terrible form.

Thor and Hyperion didn't do dick. They raised some mutant kids in the Savage Lands (kids who thanks to T'Challa and Reed remaking reality and setting it back 8 months no longer exist) and fought the Beyonders and lost. I'll give you this, they did more than most of the main Avengers team. Fucking Smasher got multiple issues devoted to her and just ended up pregnant from a romance that happened largely off panel.

I admit my memories of Avengers are a bit foggy, but wasn't Cap's time travel in there? That was important

Noice

No, no it wasn't. He goes forward i time and is made aware of the incursions and of the Illuminati's work. He then proceeds to chase the Illuminati around for a few issues while they and Doom co tinue to spearhead the work to stop the incursions and finally he gets into a fight to the death with Stark as once agai the Illuminati and Doom are off doing the plot relevant stuff.

anything that makes the plot evolve is relevant.
you are considering those characters the only relevant ones since you know how the story ends already.

But the evolution it created was irrelevant. Nothing came of it. Thus, it was not important.

Because Hickman cares about rulers and geniuses and nithing else. So he stuck all the rulers and smart people (T'Challa, Reed, Valeria, Doom, Tony, Namor etc.) in one book and struggled for 3 years to make himself care about the everyman heroes of the main Avengers book.

the final issue of FF is fucking amazing what are you smoking?

I'm talking about the climax to the run not the over-long epilogue that the last ten or so issues are. The War of 4 Cities was a complete bust.

I haven't made it to vol. 2 omnibus of the run in my reread but I just finished reading Vol. 1 and so far it still holds up. All of the Inhumans shit is pretty boring though

>you will never smash smasher

No it wasn't. The introduction of the Beyonders and them murdering the coamics happens in New Avengers 30 and 31. The only Beyonder stuff in adjectiveless are Thor and the gangs failed and ultimately pointless attempt to kill the Beyonders.

Smasher was dummy thicc

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It really annoys me how much setup there was that went nowhere. Like, take Cannonball's and Smasher's baby. When they gave the baby to POD to survive the incursion, and they revealed that 8 years have past when Secret Wars started, I thought "Oh, so the baby is going to come back into play", but no. Never comes up again.

There were so many weird dead ends like that which flat out bugged me because the entire run just ended up a Reed vs. Doom story.

Hell, look at Black Swan. She seemed like a character with massive importance and showed up the first issue of New Avengers, and then just became a Thanos henchman and then gets squashed with Quill for giant sized Groot.

Like, why the fuck did it became a Reed vs. Doom story? There was no set up at all that it would become an emperor Doom story, and don't give me that bullshit about how it's mimicking the first Secret Wars. Marvel has done enough of that nostalgia crap for too long for this massive Avengers run to end up a FF run.

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>>New Avengers
>The arc where they fight the Squadron Supreme was a fucking gem. So many great moments and great art
Here you see how retarded Hickmanfags are.

There was never any fight against the Squadron Supreme, retardon.

death won, user

to be fair even Hickman wasn't happy with how the run turned out - he's talked as much in interviews. A lot of editorial interference.

>>A lot of editorial interference.
The bane of all Marvel writers.

I always felt like I was missing something while reading it. Like, there was a third title somewhere I was unaware of that resolved points brought up in the main comics.

no surprise just another guy that got screwed by brevoort that man is cancer.

Like, it's very notable when events comes around and other characters are squeezed into a story that wasn't meant for them. Like, take Secret Empire. We've spent so long with Hydra Cap that they didn't know who to make the hero for the event.

Better question why did marvel let the omnibuses get out of print so fast it became damn near impossible to get

Maybe they weren't selling. In comparison, Bendis omnibus' are still readily available.

We're talking about Infinity aren't we?

Hey, remember wgen he brought up a an A.I.M storyline early in his run and then that got resolved in an entirely different book by a different author? Good times.

>fucked up the ending to Secret Warriors
He pretty much tied up everything in a bow, how did he fuck it up? Aside from the never-fully-realized tie-in to his Ancient SHIELD retcon mini (did part 2 ever come out?), everything was answered and all the plot points made sense, more or less.

The twist that HYDRA was essentially working for SHIELD was one of the most WHOA moments in modern comics imho. Curious to hear why you hated it.

We never got the full Black Swan explanation but there was something about her that always reminded me of Valeria Richards to me, and the whole servitude to Doctor Doom aspect only enhanced that.
Tbh Hickman's Megarun began with FF, and he started sowing seeds there, and he was a major FF-fag throughout; it was pretty obvious that they would end up playing a major role. With the revelation that Doom was Rabum Alal and Reed and T'Challa being the only surviving New Avengers capable of fighting Doom, it made sense for the final showdown to be Reed vs. Doom.

On a more meta level, they are essentially the first superhero and first supervillain of Marvel Comics, and started the Marvel Universe. It makes a certain Hypercrisis sense that their battle would transcend it, and its ultimate resolution (until some future writer fucks it up) would start the new one.

Hickman loves going full circle. His run starts with Reed's "Everything Dies" speech and T'challa discovering and stopping the first incursion and ends with Reed's "Everything Lives" speech and T'Challa remaking the 616 with the infinity gauntlet thus stopping the incursion threat. And all the other characters dans for Doom, Molecule Man, Black Swan and the Beyonders might as well have not even been there.

not just infinity, but editorial also pushed double-shipping on him, which meant the books had wildly inconsistent art. I also hear he had to rush a lot of shit so that they could get Secret Wars off the ground.

I think since the new X-Men stuff will be architected by him and in his words "the first marvel comic that I've done that hasn't felt like a job", I think we're in for something good.

SHIELD just wrapped up last year actually

It will just be yet another story about Doctor Doom becoming omnipotent.

Luckly for you guys, you believe those to be the apex of writing anyway, so it's not like you will feel that you have wasted your money.

>New Avengers
>Everything up until the timeskip
>Avengers
Cap's time trips in Original Sin