>all these complaints about a well done romance plot Alright then Yea Forums, how would you do romance for a kids show that would satisfy you and everyone here?
I'm thinking, based on what I'm reading here, this is what you guys want. Season 1: Main guy and girl are friends, hints of liking each other Season 2: Main guy and girl get together in the end Season 3: Main guy and girl still together Season 4: Main guy and girl still together (no love triangle, no will-they-wont-they, no competition for either the girl or guy, just plain romance)
This would be good Don't do it at the last minute or last couple of episodes. That should not be your shield for a shit ending
Josiah Adams
She was actually denying herself dick with her mass murder. And she knew that. But she got her dick anyway because the thing she was murdering made it possible for her to still get dick.
Gavin Price
I'm insanely jealous, i'd kill millions to be able to kiss that mouth of hers. I love it's shape.
James Barnes
That actually sounds like good writing. Trying to put these relationships that end up in nothing when the show has several moments where Starco happening would be perfect. After BFM, Post conquer/divide.
Landon Myers
I wishthey didn't get back together in the end and instead show Marco walking around Gravity Falls asking about portals, aliens and other weird phenomenon about the town.
We could get a Disney tv universe.
Cameron Mitchell
Steven and Connie. They liked each other from minute one, fought and struggled together, hung out together and had their first argument coming out of it stronger friends than ever. They're probably saving a kiss or whatever until the proper finale and that's really the way to handle it.
Jace Lopez
>That actually sounds like good writing Does it? Because while it would satisfy some people a lot more others would call the show boring at this point.
Grayson Hall
Pretty sure people aren't complaining about how starco was handled. People are complaining because everyone else was handled like shit and half of the cast fucking died for no apparent reason.
Brandon James
>>all these complaints about a well done romance plot >Alright then Yea Forums, how would you do romance for a kids show that would satisfy you and everyone here?
You seem like fuck face when you said that
A "kiss" and "I Love You" is all I need
Nolan Lewis
Love triangles fucking suck. No one likes them in this day and age. A good clean romance that happens to be in a good story is a great thing.
Kayden Peterson
>SEASON ONE:No Prior Relationship >SEASON TWO:Enemies >SEASON THREE:Mortal Enemies->Rivals >SEASON FOUR:Rivals with a secret crush with one another >SEASON FIVE:Dating in secret -> Admitting their Relationship >SEASON SIX:Dating in the Open->Married with children in the Flash Foward Finale
Jack Cruz
Then have the show focus on the lore, the worldbuilding, them as a couple, work on the morality of the monster/mewman plotline then the shit we have now, solve theories that people still have.
>That's fine and dandy user. How about we introduce another female character to cause tension in season 2 and keep the audience guessing who the main guy would pick?
Xavier Brooks
Where would the love triangle be? You know waifu wars cause mass shitposting in between seasons = more exposure right?
Cameron Murphy
Here's a revolutionary idea: KEEP YOUR ROMANCE LOWKEY SO IT DOESN'T OVERTAKE THE FUCKING PLOT. Well, unless the show is romance or is vital to the plot i guess.
Hunter Reed
>vital to the plot I'm talking about shows where romance is vital to the plot. Are love triangles necessary or not to have compelling romance in shows/movies?
Jeremiah Stewart
Not really, the path to love can have a plethora of obstacles other than a rival. It's the easy way to add tension, and it's even more tedious when it's obvious who the winner is going to be.
Oliver Torres
What the fuck is with you and the shape of Star's mouth?
Charles Campbell
SU gets its share of flak, but I'll readily defend it for not putting Steven in a love triangle.
Gabriel Gray
And the consequences for her getting the dick will lead to even more murder.
Gabriel Bailey
And it funny how people try to wright that off.
>No one likes them in this day and age Yes they do just like fucking 3Somes for some god dam reason.
Charles Hernandez
That fat beta boy, in a triangle, get real.
Juan Parker
>I'll readily defend it for not putting Steven in a love triangle. Marco was attractive enough to get with Jackie, Kelly, Heckapoo as an adult and later with Star. If that isn't chad level I don't know what is.
Isaiah Bell
I don't think love triangles have to be garbage, but every example I can think of in recent years pretty much has been.
It's all the worse when genuinely likable side-characters are developed just to fuel the potential romance drama and be shoved into the background once they're no longer needed.
Colton Clark
>Jackie leaves him because he can't commit >He dumps Kelly off-screen for unexplained reasons >He helps kill Heckapoo I feel like things could have gone better.
Jeremiah Wood
YES dammit!
Becoming boyfriend and girlfriend isnt the fucking endgoal its a path unlocking towards NEW goals. How do they go from first loves to a deep and mature relationship and how it enriches their feelings towards each other? There's so much more than "Yay we hooked up! Shows' over!"
Carter Cook
The girl of the friend trio vs. villain girl >MC likes her at first but eventually starts liking villain girl. >Mc tells that he doesn't feel nothing for girl. >girl is sad,but goes to a character arc that say that he is still her friend and she will move on >MC is revealed to be dating Villain Girl. >Girl is angry at villain girl but understands that a true friend would accept it. >maybe she starts dating a the black guy of the trio idk.
Benjamin Collins
>maybe she starts dating a the black guy of the trio idk. I really want to give you the benefit of the doubt in all this but then you have to throw me this wrench to my face, user.
>people a lot more others would call the show boring at this point. I'm fucking done believing this lie and I'm not going to listen to your bullshit any longer.
Jaxon Scott
How about this then. she becomes a cool wine aunt to the MC and the Villain girl's kids
Nicholas Lewis
Thank you! You can do so much more with a couple than the "Will they, won't they?" schtick. For exemple, Eugene and Rapunzel are together in the series, but they are still facing obstacles in their relationship. And more importantly, they have individual storylines and character development, which are independent of their relationship.
Are you kidding?! People love rivals/enemies to lovers, they eat this shit up like it's grandma's cookies. I think it's the sexual tension and taboo aspect.
Jordan Edwards
I don't even care about shipping and I ended reading 190 pages of an ongoing fan made comic about Ganondorf and Zelda becoming a couple
Wyatt Reyes
>Ganondorf and Zelda A pairing as trash as Zelda/Link.
John Gray
Maybe, but you're starting them out as literal enemies instead of cutesy together. People would call bullshit if enemies end up together.
Ian James
I think done well you could do a really cool arc. Like for example Imagine if for a moment the hero and the villain are trapped in some place. Hero is unmotivated because some shit that happened to them. Villain has to tell the hero that they are a good person and say their qualities Something like "I couldn't wish for a more worth adversary". Hero gets motivated again to do the thing he was supposed to do "Hey,Evil Lady...thank you I owe you one." "I only did it to get out of there,nothing else" "Well I just wanted to say the feeling is mutual,you are the greatest fighter I meet" And the "i respect you but I still hate you" becomes the inevitable "I hate you so much I wanna make a family with you"
Leo Reed
I think it only works when the woman is the villain. Male Villain x Female Hero is mostly shit but Male Hero x Female Villain is great I guess is just the power of dick
Owen Bell
So like that chick from Samurai Jack?
Lucas Cox
>I'm thinking, based on what I'm reading here, this is what you guys want. >Main guy and girl still together I mean, it worked for The Office and Parks and Rec, why can't it work for animation?
Aaron Allen
Can you list examples of couples who got together way before the end and the show was still good?
Jeremiah Adams
>Empathetic (More important than you know) >Perfect pitch (Can recognize Peridot hitting a tone on something) >Can write and sing >Can cook and/or prepare food >Strong as FUCK >Fast as fuck BOI >100 Natural Charisma
Steven is a chad-in-training but we're all too scared to acknowledge that.
Jayden Collins
No, not really. If it's written well, it can easily become the most interesting part of a story. I'm going to take exemple on Avatar: Zutara was enough of a juggernaut to compete with Kataang (the main couple) when it came to ship wars. But Zuko and Katara didn't act chummy towards eachother at the beginning, they were quite hostile actually. What i'm trying to say is: you need actual, logical progression, from enemies -> rivals/friends -> trusted partners -> lovers, not suddenly going from "I want to kill you" to "I want to date you" otherwise it's bad writing.
Hudson Smith
Boy Meets World did kid romance the best there are all kinds of hurtles that couples face when they are together, and it all builds up to marraige
John Perez
Corey and Topanga were pretty much the OTP back in the late 90's/early 2000's.
Hudson Edwards
Dude, hero x villain is high tier shipping material in the same their as normal human x god/eldritch monster
Christian Foster
Basically all the couples in Parks and Rec, the main two in Brooklyn Nine-Nine
The office getting bad near the end wasn't because of anything about relationships, it was Michael leaving and all his replacements not making up for it.
Because then you have people bitching that a successful couple is boring even if they're well written and have hurdles to overcome. Especially the sour grape shippers who didn't get the pairing they wanted or those who think relationships are just passionate words and banging all the time.
Parker Sullivan
Male Villain x Female Hero can be very interesting when it turns the Female Hero into a Villain
Caleb Lopez
>Link/Midna is the only acceptable Zelda ship Based and MIDNAPILLED I'll also take Malon/Link because if it wasn't for them, there would be no TP Link to pair Midna up with.
That's the fandom's problem, not the writer though. When it comes to writing (especially romance) you'll know you won't please everyone. But if you try anyways by beating around the bush without giving a clear answer, then you'll probably disappoint everyone instead.
Joshua Wright
Ruto/Link is the real shit
Alexander Rodriguez
>tsundere fish who's descendants grew to be job fodder for H*rule Link is for pasty redhead milkies.
Noah Gutierrez
>Male Villain x Female Hero is mostly shit I guess you hate shoujo.
Jack Perez
MADE FOR HISPANIC COCK
BEST ENDING
Christian Adams
Star Vs. love-triangles were garbage. They just wasted time until they were unceremoniously discarded. A legit love triangle has to deal with the consequences of things changing instead of just going away when it's convenient.
Ian Price
Make them get together mid-season and THEN focus on developing their relationship. Make them face struggles and let that bring them closer together or IDK. A lot of shows have the characters hook up at the very last minute, but it'd be nice if we could get to see what their relationship is like, and it makes for some good development for each of them. Also, you get to save up time instead of focusing on the 'will they/won't they' drama
Sebastian Rodriguez
>A legit love triangle has to deal with the consequences of things changing instead of just going away when it's convenient When has this happen?
Jonathan Rogers
Occasionally in anime. I can't think of a western cartoon that's done this.
Hudson Garcia
I though you were talking about a cartoon, we are on Yea Forums, not on Yea Forums.
Jose Myers
Tenchi solution. Also may as well throw in Jamma since she seemed to have hints of interest back in season 1 that were dropped for no apparent reason
Jordan Williams
Then we should really leave love triangles to the professionals of Yea Forums instead of half-assing it in Yea Forums
Luke Garcia
But love triangles in anime almost always suck. That is better than always but still.
Josiah Bell
>Star is the Griffith in her story. And she won the Gutsbowl.
Janna is into weird occult stuff, and wanted Marco's tentacle arm to be her boyfriend, setting her up to be interested in him. She just wants him for his tentacle.
Owen Scott
Unfortunately a lot of writers agree with that statement, especially the ones that suck at romance and sabotage a series just to avoid it.
Luis Watson
>purple-winged rapist with powerful magic who violates the laws of nature to combine magical and the physical world Star is Griffith, and Gen 1-2 is the Band of the Hawk, Season 2-4 is the Eclipse. Star and Starco was the real bad guy along.
Josiah Diaz
>To be with your lover, you would sacrifice the magic that gives life to many dimensions and lives? Will you sacrifice your own country and family legacy to be with your other? Complete the pact and magic will be torn asunder.
>Manna was literally the most pure and wholesome ship of svtfoe because it was done entirely in background cues It really was the purest ship in the series, had the final ended with Janna and Marco on the stretchers instead of Star killing everyone Falconia-style, I'm sure the reception would've been better.
David Rodriguez
Reminder to Jannafags that Marco has stated that he would rather date ponyhead and make Janna disappear.
>had the final ended with Janna and Marco on the stretchers instead of Star killing everyone Falconia-style, I'm sure the reception would've been better. This board would've been 100 times worse if Starco wasn't the final pairing, you know that user.
Camden Moore
>This board would've been 100 times worse if Starco wasn't the final pairing, you know that user. After how much the show was dragged down for the sake of Starco and the uppityness of Starcofags, it would've been better.
And despite that Marco and Janna interacting were the most interesting parts of Season 3/4.
Colton Campbell
>Marco >good taste Pick one.
Levi Scott
>Marco and Janna interacting were the most interesting parts of Season 3/4. No, unless you were a massive Jannafag. And most of us don't care about Janna.
Nathan Cooper
>Ponyhead but a flip and human >good
Easton Ross
>And most of us don't care about Janna. More good interactions for me.
Samefag, difference is Janna still wasn't ruined by shipping and forced on the viewer like Ponyhead, complain all you want but its true.
Christopher King
>Cringe Cringe all you want but Star lost my vote after Season 2 where she drags the show episode after episode until she finally wipes everyone out. Sorry waifucuck but I have hight standards than you.
Robert Gutierrez
>Spider in a Top Hat is dead >giant spider seen rampaging at the end His family will have their revenge.
If you'll merge and endanger worlds for one another, that's true love right there. Nothing else matters. That being said, execute these two for fucking up everything.
Austin Jenkins
>I have hight standards than you I bet you do have "hight" standards user.
>how would you do romance Well >for a kids show That makes it more difficult >that would satisfy you In that case >and everyone here You ask the unattainable, OP.
Jack Ramirez
I'll be honest with you some anons here actually listed some good examples. Have them both get together in the middle of the whole show and have the girl start as a villain but turns good thanks to the male MC.
Asher Morales
>apufag It keeps getting worse.
Jace Foster
>If you'll merge and endanger worlds for one another, that's true love right there. Nothing else matters. Oh user... berserk.fandom.com/wiki/Falconia
Ryder Morris
Remove cheek marks and you'll notice just how god damn plain Star really is.
Plain, large cheeked bubble-head. And look at the size of her ears. She might as well be male.
Lucas Lee
How did Toffee stay sane in the magic realm for months? He didn't have pudding. How did Toffee turn the magic black? If he used the whispering spell, why didn't he use it on Star's wand instead of messing around and blackmailing her into saying it? If he doesn't know the whispering spell then how could he have done it?
You should watch Haruhi Suzumiya if you want a good romance.
Joshua Hughes
>Haruhi Suzumiya I did watch that, Starco is better. Oreimo is still the best romance of all time though.
Jayden Diaz
>I'D DESTROY A THOUSAND DIMENSIONS BEFORE I LET MY MARCO DIE
Xavier Scott
Griffith has absolutely no one to love, that's just him getting ready to lube the world up for the hand and whatever bullshit plan they have.
John Moore
Star would sacrifice all of her friends to the Brand of Sacrifice just to be with Marco.
Aiden Garcia
Just about any other girl is a better pick than Star.
Brandon Reed
If that ain't a ride or die chick, then i don't know what is.
Hunter Mitchell
I don't see why that can't work, OP. People who think starting a relationship is the end of drama have never been in a relationship.
Jace Perry
>well done It was awful, you just have shit tastes and would've been satisfied with any ending that involved Starco. And the ending was never NOT going to be about Starco so you were never going to be disappointed.
That's the truth.
Christian King
>it was awful Then why did you watch it numbnuts?
Camden Nelson
Nefcy is married and somehow believes it to be true. Apparently her relationship has been perfect forever.
Jackson Morgan
He wanted Guts. Reminder he fell apart the moment Guts left the band.
But the Griffith in this dimension got to keep her Guts and damn everyone to oblivion.
Jackson Phillips
As a man who's divorced, i envy their marriage. Granted i fucked mine up by drugs, booze, and infidelity but still.
Star is actually more of Ryo Asuka than Griffith. Now we wait for God to BTFO her and reincarnate Marco as Violence Jack to clean up the mindless wasteland she created.
Parker Rivera
Now that Star moved back in with Marco, what does Yea Forums think they're up to?
David Long
You mean people didn't hate the lesbian pairings because they were homophobic?
Benjamin Fisher
The OP gave the impression that he wanted hypothetical cartoon plots where romance was the focus and not just "how would you have done starco better".
The "satisfies everyone here" is unfeasible since opinions on what is satisfactory vary wildly.
Asher Butler
I mean, they have to get started on those 1000 babies some time.
Especially since Star has a lot of lives to replace now.
Adam Foster
A gay pairing can work if there is proper build up. Korrasami had no build up at all
>The OP gave the impression that he wanted hypothetical cartoon plots where romance was the focus You did respond to me, the OP, and I'm still talking about romance plots. Like I said, it seems a female villain + male good guy romance would please most people. Granted Yea Forums is the sample size here and we have a jaded bunch, but still.
Anyway you're right in the sense that there can never be an ending that satisfies everyone but there could could be an ending that satisfies most people. Unfortunately the only people who we hear about is those who aren't happy, so who knows how well received the ending for this show really was.
Anthony Parker
Remove cheekmarks and she looks like a fucking piranha. How did we never notice the crazy eyes, Yea Forums?
Nolan Martin
A gay character would be interesting if the gay character did confess to their person of interest and such person was not gay, but still flattered that someone would have that sort of feelings for them and proceed to be bros with them.
Because I don't buy it when someone who is gay comes out to their interest and is immediately accepted and, lo-and-behold, that person was also secretly gay.
Dominic Jenkins
Yeah, that was my point. But buildup by itself isn't sufficient either, it has to be good buildup. PB and marceline were foreshadowed in s3, but it was still a shit pairing.
William Carter
I noticed the crazy eyes right away.
I thought we all agreed it was part of her charm. I mean, Star is a crazy girl. That is undeniable.
Jason Baker
>Like I said, it seems a female villain + male good guy romance would please most people. Hey, Darkwing Duck did that with Morgana and DW, didn't they?
Luke Bailey
>Darkwing Duck I haven't seen that show since the 90s so I forgot.
William Peterson
>Did you do it, Starcofags? >Yes. >What did it cost? >Everything.
No, if you think crazy eyes are charming you haven't actually noticed them, you're just lucid enough to realize there must be crazy eyes to charm you but the wisdom check hasn't actually kicked in.
Tyler Campbell
>Selfish >Beautiful >Misguided >Ultimately dooms the world
Why is star so fucking hot? Im not even talking about the fanart, she's just hot the ways she's drawn normally. Im glad Area made Between friends in a similar art style.
All a show has to do is not make the fucking romance only happen at the end. Have a couple that gets together during the series, and then stays together. It's much more interesting than the couple being endgame which is always so fucking lazy as Starco shows.
I was happy Adventure Time seemed to be doing it with Finn and Flame Princess but then they made them break up for a retarded reason which led to boring drama. Why is it so hard for writers to do this? Jesus man.
Jonathan Nelson
In all honesty the sort of romance plot I want to see is one with a human male and a non-humanoid female and how the romance unfolds despite the language, body language, and cultural differences.
Isaiah Brooks
I'll ask my therapist on monday.
Hudson Morgan
>mfw we won't see a date episode involving bubble tea and a picnic
Villain and hero couples seem pretty lazy in my opinion, like you're only using romance as a plot device to resolve their story arcs. It's barely even a subversion, it can still be more predictable than regular romantic tension. If you want to place a large focus on romance you'd have to be prepared to make the relationships dirty or otherwise unpure
Christian Lee
There's a reason Pyrrhus isn't considered a great general.
Cameron Nelson
For the people who think that relationships get boring we could introduce some DEEP LORE for the guy/girl or both. Having of of them or both of them figure it out mid season would make things interesting.
A victory without sacrifice isn't a victory at all
Jaxon Jackson
It's not lazy if being a villain isn't her story arc whatsoever.
Easton Hughes
>Villain and hero couples seem pretty lazy in my opinion, like you're only using romance as a plot device to resolve their story arcs. Fucking hell we're all doomed to see unsatisfactory romance on shows then if we all can't agree on a single good romantic trope.
Remove cheekmarks and she looks like a shaved chimpanzee. How is this not disgusting people?
Bentley Mitchell
It’s what they should’ve done with Korra and Asami.
Daniel Nguyen
Fucking thissss.
Will-they-wont-they is the devil's piss. Competition is alright but not to the level Star VS. took it. Jesus fuck. Love triangles are black holes of sheer terribadwriting and EZ-Bake-Oven tier "drama"
Honeslty, I was enjoying it up until Star went to Mewni. When Marco went weird about being a hero and when Jackie dumped him... that would've been the IDEAL moment to have him go to Mewni and THEN start a relationship with Star. But then we get two seasons of being strung along.
The story could've had them start the relationship, and spend two seasons of focusing on other shit like all of magic being gone or fighting racism or some shit. AND instead of FOUR FUCKING SEASONS WORTH of "Trying to START a romantic relationship" we could've have "Started one, now working through one". Romance is more than just saying "be muh gf/bf". It's the jealousy. It's the disagreements. It's the trust. It's the lack of trust. It's the miscommunication. It's the understanding. It's the confusion.
But, in the end, hack writers. Fuck me with a serrated knife.
>boring Well, down-play the romance for other possible confilcts. Does the premise of "married couple go on adventures together" sound boring just becuase the couple is already together?
Cameron Bailey
Deal with it dipshit
Wyatt Cook
change 123, the one martial arts manga that didnt get an anime when they were handing them out for free.
Angel Allen
calm down
Joshua Richardson
Oswald did it up good, or at least the popular head-canons for him do.
Has his own objectives in life while still having a loving relationship with Ortensia.
The appeal of a villain and hero pairing is how the interactions between the two can happen naturally by using natural banter between the two. At best it's an overused trope (girl and boy hate each other but get together when they grow up), and personally I just hate the wish fulfillment aspect of tsundere couplings I like what said here >Romance is more than just saying "be muh gf/bf". It's the jealousy. It's the disagreements. It's the trust. It's the lack of trust. It's the miscommunication. It's the understanding. It's the confusion.
Brody Cruz
... Because I watched the other seasons and all the other episodes? Because I didn't know it was going to be awful before I watched? Do you REALLY need me to explain that?
Thomas Torres
This was a good post user.
Carson Robinson
I really enjoyed that episode of Dragon Ball Super (say what you will about the show itself) where Videl showed how much faith she had in Gohan by not believing those out of context photos.
Adam Reyes
I know. The two main protagonists start as rivals. They have to work together to defeat a common foe. The man is an idealist. The woman is a utilitarian. The man falls in love with the woman. She strings him along pretending he matters to her. The audience are also led to believe she is working for the enemy. But she actually hates them both. In the series finale she betrays the man, breaking his heart. They have a final fight. It's a stalemate but he proves that the enemy clearly figured out she wasn't really evil, because he as an idealist would never love an evil person. Therefore she allows him to defeat the bad guy while she has to stop the plan. She becomes incapacitated in doing so, the man kills the bad guy but is himself wounded. Flash forward to them meeting in the hospital and her telling him that she hates him and will now never uncover his murder so that the man has to live for the rest of his life being a murderer and too cowardly to give himself up to justice. And no-one will ever love either of them because they're both liars who can never be loved. They part ways. The end.
Caleb Foster
The romance wasn't even the point you retard. What we wanted was lore and questions to be answered
So its like the opposite of a romance fuck it I am down
Ian Cox
>What we wanted was lore and questions to be answered
What made you think you were going to get that from this show?
Evan Martin
yeah you think so
Matthew Roberts
Stop falseflagging. The romance was shit. SHIT. We care about the romance being shit and the questions being unanswered and really fucking tone-deaf implications.
The girl who repeatedly abuses everyone she comes into contact with and opens up her club activities by threatening to accuse another club of gang rape?
´+Romance is more than just saying "be muh gf/bf". It's the jealousy. It's the disagreements. It's the trust. It's the lack of trust. It's the miscommunication. It's the understanding. It's the confusion. yeah those things still happened even when they were not a couple, like i feel like it wasn't handled expertly but hey it's cathartic as hell watching those two get together
Lincoln Wilson
Whatever looked good enough to fuck behind the Bounce Lounge.
Because the world is fucking over thanks to Star. Expect some Blue Gender shit in Echo Creek.
Logan Stewart
>Blue Gender Will it be The Warrior's ending?
Nicholas Lewis
How are all the people living in the different dimensions going to cope now that they're completely separated after having always existed as cooperating systems? How does time work now that Father Time is gone? What will the Mewmen do now that they're trapped on Earth? Are they on Earth or did California get moved to Mewni? What about all the people being attacked by monstrous creatures? Is Janna even alive?
And no, you telling me answers now isn't good enough. SHOW me.
Joseph Diaz
I like how, as the chaos and destruction they've wrought truly begins to unfold, the final shot is of them looking into each other's eyes and saying, "Hey." They chose to focus on what REALLY matters as people lose their homes and lives.
Charles Peterson
>California get moved to Mewni? Oh look, more money for the wall now
Ayden Anderson
Maybe they wrote the ending scene right after the first episode. Grimdark tone fits.
Gabriel Anderson
What was up with that ending anyhow?
Jace Cook
The worlds got fused. It was shown. It was primarily a visual scene. Like they could have replaced it with a still image and it would have had the same effect. She basically got her portrait the way she wanted it.
The rest has nothing to do with the story, because the rest has nothing to do with Star.
Grayson Kelly
Im still in awe with how sharp a turn that shit took in the shuttle
How about 1: Enemies 2: Frenimies 3: Rivals 4: Rivals with secret crush 5: Dating in secret -> Admitting their Relationship 6:SIX:Dating in the Open->Married with children in the Flash Foward Finale
Camden White
At least the show was pretty descent as far as most 90’s anime go. Ever hear of Genocyber? Godly OST and design, but complete and utter tripe thanks to the gore factor being put over story or characters.
Elijah Taylor
Right, fuck logic I guess, two teenagers will just magically stay together through puberty and into adulthood. Oh wait. Magic doesn't EXIST anymore!
Ayden Bennett
>change 123 Eh, that ending was a bit of a pissoff IMHO. Why can't you just let the girl with split personalities be crazy like in Othello.
They already basically retconned that the Zero had no sense of self and was just pure violence.
More series need to end like Othello, damn it!
Gabriel Price
The fuck are you even talking about, my guy?
Mason Gutierrez
I'll take things user has never heard of for $200. What are high school sweethearts?
Owen James
Nonexistent. Narrative consistency. The very thing that was running the Star Vs. setting was the magic. Without it, normal, real-life rules apply. And that means the happily ever after you'd get in a Disney princess story is not going to happen. They're just a boy and a girl with a crush that will blow over in a matter of months. Then they'll have to grow the fuck up and realize none of their past experiences mattered at all.
Angel Brooks
>What are high school sweethearts? What are divorces user?
If a blond hair, blue eyed white princess wants her Latin lover then more power to her.
Lincoln Torres
The problem isn't really that Star and Marco hooked up. I quite liked the imagery at the end. There just wasn't a literary logic to any of the events in this show.
Star Vs was a nonstop daisy chain of deus ex machina, convenient contrivances, and ass pulls. I liked the first season, I supported it from the start and soldiered on through the rest, but the final result felt hollow.
Colton Collins
Steven Universe?
Noah Peterson
At least she's not eating anything she "found in the park".
Blake Bennett
Starco was the true destruction spell all along
Blake Phillips
>blaming a ship for the nonsensical choices that the show made Anons please
Joshua Peterson
I think it just wanted to be a cartoon. Not all of them even want to be taken seriously.
Jason Allen
>Overly sensitive >Doesn't age past 12 >Doesn't go to school You're pretty much his babysitter.
Gabriel Harris
No one is crying over Starco. Yes, Starco did the ever annoying will-they-won't-they for two seasons, ultimately throwing innocent characters like Jackie and Kelly over the side like hot garbage, but it's still pretty cute and wholesome.
People are upset over the killing off of magic. What gave Star the right to do this with hundreds of sentient beings killed and billions permanently cut off from friends, family, businesses, supplies, etc. with all dimensions being separated? They had no say in the matter but are all forced to suffer the consequences. The level of suffering she has caused eclipses what good her actions could have done. The most grating part of it is that Star is entirely ignorant, willfully or not, of the pain she's caused although a simple five minutes of critical thinking could have revealed the ramifications. No, Star is totally fine within her small corner of the multiverse living blissfully happy with Marco by her side while the rest of the universe burns around her.
Brandon Fisher
Well the OP framed this question in terms of romance, and I'm saying that the romance wasn't satisfying because nothing on screen made any sense. I'm not asking to understand the mechanics of magic. I just wanted there to be a logical framework to that world, to the actions and events, and to the characters emotionally. I didn't really get that. Maybe you did, and that's fine.
But if you want to say this cartoon wasn't meant to be taken seriously, then it wasn't funny or entertaining enough.
Nicholas Martin
Just a reminder that mewmans are literal fucking savages with generally loose sense of morals and humans that got transported to Mewni will die in the next 5 years or so. So, APOLOGIZE
Overly sensitive isn't really a bad thing considering Connie is the one who balances that with logical thinking. Age thing will pass and he's home schooled so again that doesn't really matter.
Luke Hill
>how would you do romance for a kids you don't. Kids aren't adults, you fucking pedophile enablers. teen romance is a game of pretend.
Then its the writer's job to make a successful relationship NOT boring by focusing on the ups downs that COME from a successful relationship. Have em squabble, have em bicker have em support one another and truly care for each other. Have em willing to die for each other and focus on external problems together as a couple. Even people who love each other genuinely still argue and fight. Cant we just base relationships off successful ones in real life which are still FULL of little fights and bickering?
Andrew Richardson
>you realize no one else will EVER get to taste a goblin dog again outside of whoever lives in that particular dimension.
I interpreted the ending as magic putting Star and Marco where they belong, like Glossaryck said. Honestly, it feels super disjointed but serviceable when you actually watch it. My only real complaint is that Doop-Doop was hinted to be important but in the end he wasn't. Everything else, like all the dead stuff, I expect Nefcy will simply explain it in a tweet saying they are OK.
Carson Ross
>I expect Nefcy will simply explain it in a tweet saying they are OK. Hard to do when we've seen the "corpses" of two magical beings already.
Austin Edwards
Yeah, this isn't like Rebecca Sugar talking about Jasper and stuff we know is coming. You have visual proof of stuff being killed on screen.
Luke Brooks
See here's the problem with that OP, logically, that is a fantastic way to write romance but a couple of issues stop that from being executed
-Audiences like shipping. Shipping keeps interest. Interest keep longevity. Thus, they like to draw out the shipping -Most of these people cannot write romance -Will-they-won't-they, unfortunately is a tried and true method of getting fangirls interested in your show so they keep doing it
>a clean win Are you crazy? >without anything in the way Now you're just lying
Samuel Young
That's why you make world/characters/plot more interesting with greater attention and development instead of using romance as a crutch.
Alexander Collins
I want to bury my face between Star's thighs. I can't be the only one
Asher Hernandez
That would require actual talent and hard work user. Hilariously enough, even in the most shipping adverse franchises, there's always a considerable number of people who root or create fanarts/fanfics for some pairings. Which means shipping is inevitable and unavoidable.
Hunter Gomez
You're right, and that's why I like ATLA actually but my point is that for cartoons, this is very hard
Christopher Wright
Because even the best writer can't get across to an audience that doesn't want to listen or absorb what he's writing. The two groups I mentioned want their escapism the way they want it, and nothing else matters. I'm not saying it isn't possible, hell I love writers that do exactly what you said, just saying it's difficult get past stubborn ass mindsets. You want a good example of what I'm talking about, look at Narusaku and Ichiruku fans that are still stubborn and act like victims because they didn't get the relationship they wanted.
John Ortiz
Unless the story is specifically a romance, relationships should always be secondary to the overarching plot of a story. They’re meant to be vehicles through which character development can happen and certain motivations arise. In this sense, sometimes they can progress the plot, but romance should ever be the be all end all of a story.
And like many others have said already, no pussyfooting around it with love triangles and other forced drama. A relationship should start early enough in the story that you can feel the effect two characters have on each other, in a way that feels natural to the plot.
I'd have there be some in-universe mechanic that manifests a form based on internal traits of the characters akin to a stand or Susano'o albeit without being particularly powerful. Also I'd make the male love interests' be this disgusting abomination in contrast to him being a chill person because he's got some sort of disfiguring emotional hangup that has rotted him from the inside out, while the female lead's is a some sort of hobgoblin in that it's a supporting figure that's self-sustained but corrupted without an external recepticle for its affections.
But they'd be side characters or some shit, not the main focus of the show. Throughout the series after they're spotted together those avatars slowly become more normal-looking and are spotted as something more akin to a monk and shield-maiden respectively, with the male character learning self-acceptance and restraint and the female character learning to be more assertive and courageous throughout the series with the manifestations of their deformed pysches growing healthier throughout. Just because I like the idea of interesting relationships just going on in the background.
Juan Martin
Yeah basically. It was all good except the love triangle honestly. Just take that away and give starco more romantic time
Cameron Lopez
>how would you do romance for a kids show that would satisfy you and everyone here? I'd make the guy an user and the girl whatever fusion waifu from the booru.
Yea Forums has shit taste.
Zachary Cook
Tofee was right all along. He was trying to stop evil.
Gavin Bell
Or just have it like DNA2 minus the time travel shit.
Brandon Hernandez
Kinda disappointing ending as the implied so many open story strings that could have still been done.
Cooper Robinson
Plus we won't get to see all the cute SoL moments for Star and Marco
Lincoln Murphy
You kidding? Deep fried spider turned from a dish to a month long feast.
Aiden Hughes
Is this an abortion allegory?....
Evan Smith
I liked when Kim Possible did this and had a whole final season of them together.
Now see, what you just posted is a perfect example of when people say "this is boring now". Everybody says KP should have ended with So The Drama and say season 4 was "boring" because Kim and Ron were too lovey-dovey. This is the kind of mentality that gets pushed by fangirls.
Christopher Morris
No not everybody says KP should have ended with So The Drama, fuck you. Teacher Shego is my waifu.
Ryder Sullivan
I wish we had a SoL season of Star and Marco just being a cute and perfect couple
Camden Cruz
Just playing it straight and having your endgame couple develop their relationship over the course of the show and eventually get together is a million times more satisfying than love triangle bullshit.
Jackson Scott
i can name you anime and all of them are kino, but i know how buthurt people are around here western writters tend to be a lot more pussys about it i love that animation, there is a kick started for a seconds season if anyone is interested
Jose Baker
>and all of them are kino I call bullshit
Lincoln Wilson
I feel disgusted to have masturbated once to a starco porn comic (you know which one). This shit is fucking retarded and no amount of retcon can fix this.
Evan Evans
Toffee really should have been the final villain. He was really cool and really the only intelligent villain who felt like a villain
Connor Evans
You were masturbating to the concept of a girl friend whom you've always loved but never dared to ask for intimacy finally leading you through the process of losing your virginity as a loving selfless friend. There's no shame in that and you're not to blame for Star turning out to be nothing like the girl in that porn comic.
Easton Collins
Who else is like me and plans to watch the first couple seasons over again? Just feel kind of empty right now. Good or bad, the show's over.
Andrew Nelson
nah I'll go rewatch some other shows, but definitely not this one
Nicholas White
yea and then the show could move the fuck on to the interesting bits so they could face and overcome challenges as a couple and grow stronger.
why keep the whole romance plot stuck on level one and rehash that shit over and over and over and over w forced drama. its boring as fuck
Caleb Flores
>Season 1: Friends.
>Season 2: Friends, but one of them has secretly admitted to liking them and the other knows (i.e. they heard it from behind the door kind of situation). The other, knowing they have feelings for them, hints at and flints with them more intensely.
>Season 3: One of them goes through a serious struggle that the other helps them through. The "crush" stage is over, so to speak. Big climax where one of them confesses and they start dating.
>First half of Seasons 4: Things go back to square one, but better. Their relationship isn't the main focus anymore and only takes the spotlight to highlight how they have changed since the beginning. If this is an episodic show, obligatory date-gone-wrong episode.
>Second half of Season 4: Major character changes show how the relationship evolves. Big conflicts arise but get resolved; they both figure out how to work through things together. A big decision is on characters mind and, like Season 3 another climactic moment in the relationship pushes things even further. Unbreakable fortitude, best ship ever, the end.
>Post-credits show main girl as a mom.
Caleb Brooks
I'm never watching a show written by a woman again. Once the facade drops it's clear the XX chromosome is irredeemable.
Adrian Walker
I'll do something similar and get my girlfriend to watch it with me from teh start. See what she thinks of the progression. I do that with a lot of shows tho.
Lucas Robinson
My roommate still needs to catch up, but it'll be a slog for me if I watch it with her. Might just play games on my phone until it passes.
Charles Perry
>having girlfriends / girl friends after seeing first hand what evil lies behind the guise of the female visage So dumb. Anons on Yea Forums are so dumb. Dumb dumb dumb.
Leo Wright
What is this from?
Ryan James
No u
Luis Smith
Ur a faggot for not giving homosexuality a shot after seeing this finale. Men are capable of love, loyalty and liability. Women are not.
Mum dindu luv me any more then the other million potential babbies she culd've born.
Kayden Sullivan
My girl won't watch anything she know I have seen already.
Lucas Harris
Then just act like you haven't seen it before
Jason Flores
That honestly sucks. Mine hates watching something that will bore her, so she likes that i watch stuff to essentially cull shit. Admittedly, Star vs is pretty close to being a cull, but the first 2 seasons are good enough to at least try.
Why won't she watch somethign you've seen? Spoilers?
Camden Anderson
Yeah, same here with culling crappy shows.
She doesn't want to watch things that I have seen, even if I'm planning to watch them a second time. Like Gravity Falls, I'm still mad she won't watch it. But she never really gave me an underlying reason. Maybe it's that she wants to experience a show with me and take part in theorizing what will happen next, rather than after I have seen it. Because once I have seen something, I won't spoil anything so there's less to talk about until after watching it all. I guess.
Jacob Flores
We live together, so she knows some of the things I watch. But that is what I basically do now that I know better. But there are a couple shows she just won't watch now, and it is frustrating.
David Stewart
The entire episode should have been a 1 hour special with greater focus on emotional loss, grief, and drama - esp. Marco getting impaled by a unicorn - with a much more developed end/though process for Glossy, Hekka, etc. We should have gotten a prologue, or short history of who Glossy was, why he did what he did, and whether he felt remorse. We should have seen a more detailed reaction from Solaria to having a mixed-monster grandkid.
There should also been the exposure of magic coming to life anew via willpower, used responsibly, thus showing the magical dimension as a reseviour of magic, not an originating source.
Marco and Star should have kissed and twirled, not just stood there.
Great show, good ending plot, poor execution.
Kayden Morales
>Great show, good ending plot, It was none of that, especially the plot.
Leo Miller
They would have easily made it 44mins if they had cut some of the fluff from s4. The 2 ponyhead eps compress down to a 6 minute a plot, and the dragon cycle shit to a 5 minute b plot, and that cuts 33 minutes of fluff down just one 11min ep. The ponyhead trying to help Eclipsa become popular was super pointless and I hated every minute of it, where as Cornonation ep was fantastic, it moved the plot while also introducing Globgor, and improving his and Eclipsa's reputation among the mewemans. The ponyhead crap was absolutely pointless.
None considering everyone died after the monsters realized nothing was stopping them from killing everyone this time.
Dominic Diaz
Star and Marco are fucking like rabbits in their safety bunker user
David Clark
She is literally a psychopath that's toying with you in an effort to exercise power over you, knowledge is power user, she can't stand you knowing what she doesn't know and dictates the situation according to her needs. You should punch her in the ovaries and find a boy to cuddle with. Or if you really hanged up on the gay thing, a very convincing trap.
Michael Parker
None. They're teenagers, they'll break up on a few months
Nolan Jackson
>safety bunker They're fucking dead user. Star literally insured the end of the human race now that hyper evolved monsters are free to do what they want.
Star and Marco are fucking dead.
Sebastian Thompson
Star wanted a thousand babies but had to settle for 9.
>I'm thinking, based on what I'm reading here, this is what you guys want. >Season 1: Main guy and girl are friends, hints of liking each other >Season 2: Main guy and girl get together in the end >Season 3: Main guy and girl still together >Season 4: Main guy and girl still together >(no love triangle, no will-they-wont-they, no competition for either the girl or guy, just plain romance) Absolutely yes, I want fun adventures with a cute couple, this relation shit will they won’t they crap depresses the fuck out of me and made me stop watching the show after season 2. You fucking idiot nefcy, why couldn’t you have just kept it as a fun episode comedy you blonde bimbo bitch.
>Brolycucks shifts from his one avatar to the other Gay as fuck. Not even a Hekacuck especially after her first introduction was the first of many problems to come to the show.
Eli Bailey
Boys i think we struck a massive salt vein, all he can say is "cuck"
Jeremiah Peterson
Says the fag who has to make shit on the spot to save face.
Anthony Cox
At least i don't need to reuse buzzwords as insults famalam
Lincoln Lewis
Even worse, you avatarfag.
Jaxon Roberts
>reusing fag I didn't realizing i was talking to Donga
Ayden Rogers
And I didn't realize I was talking to a cunt. Different enough for you?
Aiden Sanchez
Sure is a lot fucking better than forcing Kellco to become a thing just to needlessly postpone Starco only to have it breakup off-screen two episodes later.
Juan Miller
Still throwing tired insults as usual Donga, are the oxyberries wearing off?
Ayden Flores
>well done romance plot >well >done your shitty teenage drama is not well done