What's Yea Forums opinion on Marvel Zombies? Was it a good series? Should it be brought back?

What's Yea Forums opinion on Marvel Zombies? Was it a good series? Should it be brought back?

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It ran its course.

This was one of the first alternate universe story I ever discovered, so seeing all my favorite heroes die or be turned in a time when the zombie craze was ramping up really intrigued me. Would be cool to see a reboot in a modern Marvel setting.

it was great, but now Disney says there can be no Zombie superheroes.

>that Sandman/Spiderman vore death scene
>Spiderman using his veins and arteries as webbing
>Hank Pym admitting he'd still want to be a cannibal even if they found a cure
>Black Panther kept in a coma so the zombies could cut off body parts and eat pieces of him over time
>pretty much every death scene
How this shit was allowed but Universal Studios couldn't do the Marvel Halloween Horror Nights event with the props of the dead/decapitated superhero bodies astounds me. And with the way Marvel is now, I can't imagine Disney ever allowing anything like this.

I mean, if even if they did decide to bring it back, MZ was made during the Walking Dead zombie craze and thus probably wouldn't be that popular today.

The worst kind of edgy tripe

fuck that sandman scene. still triggers me

I think it could be since it's not the zombie factor that makes it interesting but the gore and the lengths they're willing to go to sate their hunger. There's a level of angst and graphic, grimdark edge in this that casuals are drawn to.

It was interesting at first but really overstayed its welcome. If it was just the UFF arcs, the first mini and the Army of Darkness crossover, I think it would've been stronger.

>How this shit was allowed but Universal Studios couldn't do the Marvel Halloween Horror Nights event with the props of the dead/decapitated superhero bodies astounds me.

What's the story about that?

And a lot of this stuff happened under Quesada's watch, he was more flexible with letting creators do what they wanted.

>And with the way Marvel is now, I can't imagine Disney ever allowing anything like this.

There did end up being a restriction after Disney bought them. It's like said, the only Marvel Zombies that have been shown have been predominantly villain zombies. Only on very rare occasions do you see zombie superheroes. Like for instance in Secret Wars, you see zombie Wolverines, a zombie Hulk, and a cameo of a zombie Spider-Man, but the vast majority of zombies were villains. Or the Zombies Assemble manga, which I believe only got through because the heroes turned back to normal at the end.

But if you look at all the Marvel Zombie merchandise in the 2010's, it's zombie villains.

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Until the return, yes

I don't think they've ever officially said anything. A lot of this is based on what they've been doing with zombified Marvel characters in the comics, the vast majority of them have been villains (with very rare exceptions), and the merchandise since the Disney buyout is all villain zombie merch. And there was also that list of rules to artists doing sketch cards that banned using Marvel Zombies.

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At least we got some in heroclix, plus Deadpool Zombie Head

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I introduced my little brother to comics by showing him marvel zombies. He really fucking hates comics and zombies now because watching Spiderman eat MJ and May scarred him as a kid.

IIRC all the superhero zombie Heroclix were made in the 00's. In the 10's it was all villains.

I hate that it didn't allow itself to take the concept 100% seriously. Every time it starts to get effective and build mood, the zombies start acting like over the top cartoon villains. It's like Kirkman remembered he was writing about superheroes so he couldn't allow himself to go all the way.

The strongest parts are in the beginning of the prequel when all the heroes are fighting in New York, and all the subtler, creepier parts in the first book like when Daredevil suggests they use a Quinjet as a fake rescue mission gesture to lure survivors out, the stuff with Ant Man and Black Panther, Magneto's opening, etc.

So good DC is making their cheap copy of it.

It was normie shit. I remembered everyone hyping it up, but I couldn't have given two shits and tried to read a few issues, but it would have only have been exciting to a 13 or 14-year-old boy. Oh no! We took a What If! Story and made a whole series of books out of that What If!

I couldn't understand why it was supposedly popular.

Let's ask the actual question everyone cares about:

Could the MCU or (comic) 616 handle the virus if it worked exactly the way it did in Marvel Zombies?

Zombie craze

Probably. Some of the follow-up MZ miniseries was actually 616 dealing with small invasions the main zombie Earth.

I think part of the problem was that Millar and Land fucked up completely in the UFF arc by having nearly every single hero and villain be zombified.

this

A Marvel Zombie one-shot was released last year though. Was it set in the same universe as the original minis?

Contrarian here.

I honestly hated the MZ line, especially when it felt inconsistent (deity type characters being infected, the AoD crossover insisting the virus isn't magical so the above shouldn't happen) or especially when it came off as grimdark tryhard junk that was just plain mean spirited. It started before, continued during and went on after fucking One More Day so seeing comics where Zombie Spiderman ate Mary Jane or OP's image just made that horseshit even more depressing.

It was a garbage What If that only got traction because of the then-current zombie craze. It was everywhere making this rotting corpse the face of Marvel prior to the MCU kicking off which just made me feel like anything at Marvel wasn't worth a damn any more.

because china redects ghost?

fpbp, it was a novelty at the time and even pretty good, but the horror is gone, the humor is gone, the later self aware irony stories have been run into the ground, there's nothing else to do with this but let the dead stay dead. The only place I want to see the Marvel Zombies at this point is in crossovers, like maybe some characters get warped to the zombie universe and have to do survival horror for an issue or something.
Marvel Zombies was during the height of the Zombie boom and it was enough of a niche title that only a certain type would seek it out or buy it anyway, contrast that to a major family theme park attraction and it's easy to see why they'd tone it down.

then it did it's job as a horror book

No, the zombieverse characters were weaker than their mainstream counterparts in a lot of ways, for example spiderman doesn't seem to have spider sense, Captain America only ever made the rank of Colonel, Ultimate Thing was able to beat up their Hulk, etc.

There are a few stories where the zombie virus gets in to 616 and it's always contained
Every story seemed to have a different take on the virus, originally it was implied the virus itself was somewhat self aware and targeted superhumans, then it was a memetic infection which is why it could get robots, gods, and people with healing factors, then it was just a bog standard zombie virus

It was good to pass the time with, but was never a SO GOOD MUST READ.
Most of the volumes you can pick up and start reading like stand alone so you can skip the ones you don't enjoy as much.

Thanks for reminding me that I need to rebuy this again. I have Dead Days, but when I previously ad the first trade it was when I didn't really take care of my shit so it ended up water-damaged to hell.

Sort of off topic but the company that made those thought it was a good idea or okay at first to include Red Skull’s armband and had to remove it later.

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oh fuck people might think red skull is a nazi or something

>let the dead stay dead

Oh the irony.

I thought the books themselves were retarded with some of the worst writing I've ever seen (the zombies eat Galactus, a being of pure energy... how?) but the covers have some of the best art I've ever seen too. It's so weird.

Jesus is this from spider Gwen’s new series? Jesus when is that going to get cancels? Both of the comic shops I go to have a giant pile of her books they don’t seem to go. Worst idea to ever add to the main line canon

Marvel Zombies 1, the Marvel Zombies Dead Days, and Marvel Zombies vs The Army of Darkness are all fucking amazing
You can skip the rest, though

It did everything it could I don’t see what else that could even want to do

Marvel Zombies 3 was okay as well.

Why was this manga MCU zombie book allowed?

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I went there and it wasn’t very impressive. The haunted house itself was pretty barren aside from the props and the carnage costume was hilariously awful.

The only actors in the maze was a guy in a shitty Crossbones costume, a Punisher, some guy in all white I didn’t even try to identify, and this one mortally injured daredevil (it was a person in a suit, not a prop)
Meanwhile carnage was walking around outside, where he looked like a man in a sausage skinsuit.

The house they had in the Jurassic Park area that same night was vastly superior.

Do you remember the dead superheroes like Spiderman and Cap?

I took care of mine, but sold off my zombies collection. I only kept the Ultimate Fantastic Four arc that introduced the concept.

I remember dead spidey, which was hanging from the ceiling off of a grate of some kind, and I remember seeing a broken shield outside of the maze.

I don’t remember bloody wolverine though. This was like twenty years ago, so I might be adding or omitting details.

Same thing happened to me but all it did is turn me into a DCfag

Genuine kek. My sister found that trade a bookstore when she was eleven and she fucking loved it.

First one was a great What If?

The rest were all meh.

Like other anons have said the only reason the virus became apocalyptic in the Marvel Zombies world is because the heroes were hilariously nerfed compared to their canon selves. Old Man Logan in Secret Wars is infected with the virus but is able to hold it off thanks to his healing factor which itself is inferior to 616 Logan's, whereas MZ Logan turns pretty quickly, and the fact that some characters like Luke Cage are able to be bitten at all breaks canon completely.

I think the only way it would come close to being as big of a threat is if it was in the MCU where many of the characters aren't as powerful, but even then it feels like they'd be able to contain it eventually.

Tbf luke was bitten by sentry which is probably one of the like 5 people strong enough to break his skin with a bite

So MZ3 and MZ4 happened before MZ2 or after MZ2 because the whole timeline doesn't make any sense.

I can't really see this as a concept with legs. I enjoyed it when I was 17 and followed the sequels as they trickled out but after... 3? I think the concept had worn very thin. Zombies themselves have become very played out.
I believe it's canon that these heroes in this universe are much weaker.

It was its own thing and has the original Zombie Simon Garth as the main character. It was shit.
The main universe has handled some minor zombie invasions. I don't think the MCU version of the characters could handle a zombie virus like the main universe did. Also, for some reason being a fan of the MCU make it hard for me to revisit the whole Marvel Zombies thing again. It's just painful considering what happened to Spider-Man.

The whole thing devolved into some stupid shitfest.

The only MCU heroes who could be feasible threats as zombies are Hulk, Thor, Carol, Scarlet Witch and MAYBE Vision. Carol would probably be the worst thanks to her bullshit plot armor. Assuming Tony gets infected or doesn't have a contingency plan in place like having his suit self-destruct when he turns, him and Pym could bullshit a way to find a cure.

If this is a scenario where all of the villains would be alive and able to fight assuming the virus goes off-world, Ego and Hela could probably solo the threat by themselves. Thanos is the only one I'm not sure of.

*Assuming Tony doesn't get infected, thanks autism

Well, the guy who infected the universe was zombie Sentry and that motherfucker is pretty powerful even as a zombie.

Did it bother anyone else that he just disappeared afterward? Where the hell did he go?

Did the Wolverine from the universe zombie Sentry was from ever got fully infected or hi healing factor actually contained the zombification?

Because at the end of the story, any of the heroes in there who got turned into zombies, got turned back to normal. In fact the epilogue is a prequel to Age of Ultron.

It's different from the original Marvel Zombie books where the superheroes were corrupted by the zombie virus and remained that way.

No, it was from the Miles Morales book, back when they were doing that Spider-Gwen crossover. The dialogue is very much Bendis' style.

That doesn't surprise me, they probably found out they couldn't sell it in Germany if it had the armband.

>Also, for some reason being a fan of the MCU make it hard for me to revisit the whole Marvel Zombies thing again. It's just painful considering what happened to Spider-Man.
It's not for me. Like people have already said, the writing in Marvel Zombies gets too cheeky and campy to take seriously. Every time something horrible and genuinely disturbing happens you have a scene where zombie Peter's whining about eating MJ is treated like a joke by the other zombies and everyone fights over who gets to eat the Silver Surfer like it's something whimsical. Blackest Night handled the whole "dead superheroes come back as twisted and corrupted zombies" concept much better than this did.

>The dialogue is very much Bendis' style.
I think it looks fine. It's better than LOADAWORDS anyway.

>Captain America only ever made the rank of Colonel,

Colonel is a higher rank than Captain.

The big problem is that no one sat down and got everyone on the same page about how the virus would work. Part of the problem is Millar and Land making nearly every character a zombie and there were suddenly characters that wouldn't make sense as zombies.

Now that you mention it the guy appeared and just disappeared, he never appeared or was mentioned again when the zombie heroes devoured Galactus, the Skrulls homeworld or durin MZ2. The could at least mentioned that he travelled outside of the planet to search for other inhabitated planets to feast but the heroes did that after defeating Galactus. Also why didn't the Watcher just used Sandman to destroy zombie Sentry instead of sending him back to the original zombie universe thus creating a time loop and dooming a lot of universes that way? The guy destroyed heavy hitters like zombie Hulk, zombie Namor, zombie Wolverine and zombie Quasar so destroying zombie Sentry was possible.

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It's almost like this was made for people who don't care about writing and just want to see half-assed gore and zombies.

It wasn't the same universe. It's about a handful of heroes trying to stop back the zombie horde, some of whom were zombified in the original Marvel Zombies universe but not zombified here (like Spider-Man, Daredevil, Black Widow).

In fact the only zombified characters we see in that story are again, the villains. This is the page showing them.

And is right, it was fucking shit. It was trying to paint Moon Girl's decision as a good thing but she got a hell of a lot of people killed.

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Rules mean nothing if the writing isn't good. They should have never put Kirkman on this.

The whole thing could have been resolved but Moon Girl and some stupid kid who got her friend killed ruined everything.

Yeah, I never understood why they didn't address that. It was a pretty glaring plothole.

> Also why didn't the Watcher just used Sandman to destroy zombie Sentry instead of sending him back to the original zombie universe thus creating a time loop and dooming a lot of universes that way? The guy destroyed heavy hitters like zombie Hulk, zombie Namor, zombie Wolverine and zombie Quasar so destroying zombie Sentry was possible.

I assumed they were trying to say that Sentry would be too powerful for the nano-enhanced Sandman to deal with. But then that raised even more questions about why Uatu thinks the loop would fix things.

No, if everyone's on the same page, then there would be less problems. It wouldn't mean the writing would be good, but at least there'd be a consistancy across the board.

This is the same problem with Civil War where it didn't seem like anyone agreed with how superhero registration works.

Not only that but if the guy was still hanging around after Marvel Zombies 2 does that mean that in some moment he will found the survivors?

I was more interested about what the world was like before the zombie plague and why the heroes were weaker than 616 and Ultimate and all the others. Like for instance, Dead Days showed that Scarlet Spider and War Machine were already around, but no one recognized the Silver Surfer and Galactus, which means they never came to Earth pre-Zombie infection. Like did that Earth have very little interaction with outer space?

The real question is:
Which universe was worse, Marvel zombies universe or Ruins universe?

It's really weird because while most heroes were still using their retro or first costumes groups like Nextwave, Power Pack or the Runaways existed.

You mean like a horrible end worse or bad writing worse?

Mavel Zombies was made well before peak zombie craze. Peak zomibe craze was 2010-2013, Marvel Zombies came out in 2005 iirc.

MZ was made when Walking Dead was popular as a comic, and when Snyder's Dawn of the Dead remake was popular. Zombie craze was already underway then.

Horrible end.

Yeah, Iron Man and Luke Cage definitely had early costumes.

Then there was Joe Quesada's quick save when someone pointed out an error where Black Cat was already zombified while she's not during Dead Days, where he said that Felicia had a twin sister Felicity Hardy. Imagine how that would've played out in that universe. And even with double Hardys, Peter is married to Mary Jane.

Well for the most part it seemed like everyone else in the Ruins universe lived their day-to-day lives even though horrible shit happened to Marvel characters. On the other hand, Phil unknowingly infected everyone he met with the virus that Peter Parker had.

Were Marvel Zombies 3 and 4 during the whole 40 gap between Marvel Zombies 1 and 2 or after Marvel Zombies 2? Because it does not make sense that during the 40 years gap zombie Kingpin, zombie Wanda and zombie Black Bolt never found the survivors of Asteroid M to harvest.

>Zombie Wanda
Don't remind me what the zombies did to Vision. I was sickened when I saw it.

I haven't finished that one with Howard the duck and Dum Dum Dugan and the Squadron Supreme one.

Tried to hard?

What happened with that Marvel Apes universe did it got rebooted or something?

Kingpin's wife mentions it's been a year since the virus hit and the zombies killed Galactus. The end of MZ1 takes place five years after Galactus dies, and there's no more zombies around since Machine Man killed all of them four years before.

There's also that special with Kitty Pryde and her son.

>There's also that special with Kitty Pryde and her son
Never heard of it.

>In fact the epilogue is a prequel to Age of Ultron
So non-canon?

Dead Days and Army of Darkness were good.

I know Disney nor MCU won't do Marvel zombies due to you know. I won't mind if they'll do Marvel Zombies either explain the true origin of the virus or remake with an better artist like how Army of Darkness crossover.

Imagine if they make an video game of Marvel Zombies as a survival horror (Alien Isolation style)

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First couple minis looked like sucked. Third one was top tier. If I recall, the fourth one shat itself at the last issue, and I haven't gotten to the fifth.

Punisher vs Marvel (or whatever it was called) was pretty neat for a horror comic.

You mean Punisher kills the Marvel Universe?

it was edgy shit

That's probably it. You know, the I Am Legend one.

Is this the one? Wrong What if comic

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Yup, looks like. Been some years since I read it.

Well, while I found MZ to be just plain depressing as the intent was to literally turn all these heroes into horrific, decomposing monsters, you're still right about the rules thing.

Resident Evil (the games, not the movies) is the only franchise that can get away with loose rules (and even then, the looseness only applies to a gameplay mechanic. The zombies have to do damage to you but they can't derail the game's plot if you get bitten and become one yourself, so the get bit turn to shit rule is waved just based on gameplay and the story assumes the characters didn't get infected unless it's an actual plot point.)

Marvel Zombies halloween special. Came out like three years ago.

I liked the army of darkness crossover they did

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there was supposed to be a video game it was called spiderman vs the marvel zombies,but it got canceled

>the spinoffs that came from this
A pretty wild ride

Speaking of which, does anyone know if the Evil Dead comics are any good?

I got bored around The Long Road home. Couldn't tell you if any of the subsequent ones are any good.

>spinoffs
I've seen the one with Wolverine, was there another one I haven't seen or don't recall?

That reminds me, know if there are any comics with Ash exploring that apocalyptic future from Army of Darkness?

There was marvel universe vs the avengers showed what the avengers, avengers academy, and doctor doom where doing, with Hawkeye being the center character

>Uatu figures the only way to stop this from spreading to other universes is to keep it in a recursive loop.
I'm sure nobody but Tim Seeley has the answer, but years after the "Marvel Zombies Vs Army of Darkness" crossover, he wrote a "Army of Darkness Vs Hack/Slash" series, and mentioned the Zombies crossover. In the "Vs. Hack/Slash" series, Ash mentions he went back into the Zombie Universe to save Dazzler cause he felt guilty about getting her killed, but shortly after saving her, Galactus showed up. Ash thought that saving Dazzler was somehow responsible for the arrival of Galactus on Earth, and "fixed" the Marvel Zombies timeline and watched her die (again). So how the fuck did Ash manage to get back to the Zombie Universe if Uatu blocked it off from the rest of the multiverse?

>know if there are any comics with Ash exploring that apocalyptic future from Army of Darkness?
From The Ashes (AOD Vol 2 #1-4), The Long Road Home (AOD Vol 2 #5-8), and the Furious Road #1-6 miniseries. "From The Ashes" is the direct sequel to "MZ vs AOD".

Was this the one where everybody becomes a cannibalistic monster?

Thank you!

Yup

Oh fuck, I never noticed that dialogue in the crossover. And that's funny because Galactus would've come to that Earth anyway.

What happened?

Nothing logical

I don't remember exactly but the zombies stuck him on a wall.

He was essentially used as a battery to power...something. I forget.

I'm pretty sure it's not official canon with MCU. But there's a page where Iron Man says he's deciding to create Ultron as a new security defense to replace the Avengers, so the Zombies Assemble comic takes place before Age of Ultron. In the end the Avengers deal with the zombie plague and find a cure, and almost everyone who got zombified gets turned back to normal. That's probably why it was allowed to get translated and printed here.

He was used to track signals coming from any possible hideaways. They took some component out of him so that he couldn't move.

RIP Simon Garth.

IIRC it's mostly a brand image thing. There's a bunch of clauses in Marvel's contracts with artists that restrict just how they're allowed to depict characters in the Marvel Universe in their artwork, and one of them is that they aren't allowed to depict any Marvel superhero as a zombie.

This is a pretty common thing apparently, Marvel sent a list to Sony about five pages long that also pretty clearly outlines how they are and are not allowed to depict the character as well.

No, he's allowed since he was a zombie to begin with. In fact they had that recent "Marvel Zombie" special mentioned earlier in the thread, that was out last year. What they don't want to do is another Zombie Spider-Man or Zombie Captain/Colonel America.

I wonder what the story for that would be, Marvel Zombies Spider-Man before he became a zombie? Or Spider-Man from a regular universe trapped in a Marvel Zombie universe.

Edgy torture porn. . . Marvel style.

>MZ to be just plain depressing as the intent was to literally turn all these heroes into horrific, decomposing monsters,
Glad to see someone can put my thoughts into words, I guess I was just hopeful the heroes would kill all the zombies and then themselves

>just plain mean spirited

This.

It was a funny idea for a one-off, but then they dragged it out too long and ruined it to try and cash in on zombies being trendy at the time.

It came out during the peak of the zombies in pop culture craze and is pretty standard fare for its time. Nowadays people are fucking sick of zombies, so I don't think it would be nearly as successful were it to come out today.

The current comic 616 would fend it back because editorial would not be able to resist using pushing one of their pets as the hero that solves the problem all the other universes couldn't "because those universes didn't he HER!"

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You didn't catch that zombie special with her in did you?

The first series of zombies, and their appearance in UFF was great... But just like Deadpool, normies started buying it, and the heads at Marvel drove the story into the ground. Once you have Cosmic Powered God Zombies, there's not much else you can do with your story.

Hell, it's pretty clear he didn't read the thread.

What I gotta know is, what the hell did Ultimate Doom do while in the Zombie Universe?

Mean spirited and unpleasant to read, same as the Kills the Marvel Universe variants, generally speaking. I can deal with maximum DC edge. I can enjoy some Punisher MAX. Throw anything Veritgo at me. But I just couldn't enjoy Marvel Zombies.

Seeing Spiderman being eaten alive or having his brains splattered by Deadpool isn't something I ever wanted to see growing up.

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If they do it right and don't make it a one-for-one copy I can see it being decent. More like The Walking Dead with Superheroes than Marvel Zombies. Make the usually unbeatable Justice League have to deal with a long term threat and problem that can only be weathered and survived rather than beaten. So far the zombies don't seem to have personalities, Dick and Tim just being all range, same for Darkseid, so maybe...?

But yeah, they are probably just going to make it Marvel Zombies.

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What the fuck

you can't just post a page like that that without sauce

I read this series randomly, and this issue was a surprisingly sad cyberpunk oneshot that I like. MZ 5 was better than I thought but I only remember this issue

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WorldWatch. Only 3 issues were ever made. Raunchy to softcore parody of JL with Avengers tones.

sooouuuuurrce

...

Really fun trashy horror schlock. Especially when they brought in Ash from Army of Darkness.

>the zombie exploitation story is mean-spirited
S O Y
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I still never understood the ending. Was Thor infected? Did he fuck Asgard up and ate Hawkeye in the end? Or was it a mercy killing?

Only read the first Omnibus, but it's pretty great. Feels like a legit follow-up to AoD, does lots of neat shit with the magic of the book instead of just relying on the established iconography.

My only issue is parts of it get REALLY dark. Like, actual characters and love interests get BRUTALLY killed off and Ash shows like no reaction beyond "oh that sucks" for most of them. Which feels kinda weird for how goofy and fun the rest of it is.

But other than that it's by and large great.

The suydam covers are great and i like the jason shawn alexander issue, but the story is mega shit

Alright, thanks.

>Would be cool to see a reboot in a modern Marvel setting
Nah is shit

>Was Thor infected?
The original series showed that he was infected and went on to slaughter the entire pantheon of gods.

It's worse when you find out Robert Kirkman's initial ideas when he was asked to pitch in for the first Marvel Zombies:

>One version had Hawkeye being the last human on Earth, constantly on the move inside a Quinjet
>Another had Luke Cage as uninfected, being forced to work for the zombies in exchange of them not eating his daughter. Cage would initially search for bands of uninfected humans and bring them back to the Zombie Avengers; somewhere along the road he would meet some surviving capes and form a resistance against the zombies.

But Ralph Macchio (then editor) didn't like the ideas and forced Kirkman to write the story with the zombies eating Galactus. And i remember reading Dead Days was supposed to be longer, depicting the infection from the start; but then the story got split into the oneshot and the Army of Darkness crossover.

>Cage would initially search for bands of uninfected humans and bring them back to the Zombie Avengers
that's even worse indeed