Look, I don't think Tom Holland is a bad actor. But after Endgame I just can't view him as Spider-Man...

Look, I don't think Tom Holland is a bad actor. But after Endgame I just can't view him as Spider-Man. The character is so subservient and naive in a way that doesn't feel like any version of Pete that I've read.
I've read a couple hundred issues of ASM.
Is this more his Ultimate personality?

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it's his mcu personality.

who gives a shit?

Most directors tend to forget that Spider-Man is a frustratingly annoying smartass that most heroes cannot stand to be around.

," he asked on a board for discssion comics, cartoons, and their established characters

It's completely fine to feel that way OP. MCU Peter is like watered down Spider-Man, partly in an effort to differentiate from past incarnations. Personally I think PS4 Spider-Man is the best cinematic Peter we've gotten in a LONG time. A lot of people think the appeal of the character is being an inexperienced young hero, when in reality what makes Parker special is just being a regular joe who just tries to make ends meet while carrying the responsibility of saving people due to having the power to do more than others.

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>The character is so subservient and naive in a way that doesn't feel like any version of Pete that I've read.
Read early Spider man.

Nigga Pete was in high school for a VERY brief period and was in college. Furthermore, he went to the Fantastic Four for cash, not to gush over them

It's not what he's usually like in the Ultimate universe, but I get the vibe it's probably at least partly inspired by a very short period in his USM run; an arc where the older and more experienced superheroes took an interest in his activities and were supposed to start mentoring him. But nothing actually came out of it because Pete's death happened very soon afterwards.
I don't mind seeing the "young fanboy Peter mentored by adult capes" thing now, since I felt kinda robbed back when that plot thread was abruptly cut short in USM.

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They're going to keep him around for another decade and even Tom Holland must age you'll get your experienced Spider-Man in a few years

I feel more like the current MCU Spidey is a proto-Spider-man, and he will become like the PS4 Spidey once he becomes an adult.

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aren't you meant to make sure people with a concussion stay awake and don't pass out?

Fuck off Yea Forums

The actor is already and adult, I we really shouldn't have to wait 4 movies in hoping to get a half decent Spider-Man

>that doesn't feel like any version of Pete that I've read.

That's probably why I like him. SPider-Man has always been a shit hero. MCU finally makes him likable

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Marvel has tom for the long Haul, We're gonna get to see him Grow up into PS4 Spidey.
Early Ditko Spidey was naiive as fuck and so was Ultimate, If anything MCU Pete seems to be following their footsteps and will probably end up being a really good Adult Spidey.

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They had that down in Civil War.

>Nigga Pete was in high school for a VERY brief period and was in college.
And Peter will eventually grow out of high school as well

He's not playing an adult though. Holland is only like 22 and you are acting like he's 30 just give MCU Spidey time and it'll pay off

>Just wait a couple more installments
Really, anons?

>and even Tom Holland must age
He's already 22. They could have him playing high school Peter until he has wrinkles.

Well they have given him room to grow into his own now. His mentor who he loved is dead, so he should be able to become for self reliant now.

They have the perfect opportunity for him to grow here, lets just hope they take it.

user, trust me. It'll pay off. I've seem the future bro he ends up exactly like PS4 Spidey and ned dies in FFH

That is literally how the MCU works so yes.

I mean, let's put aside that this Spidey is pretty well beloved by the general audience so it's not like he's fundamentally a problem right now but even still he won't be in HS forever. Spidey is for the long haul

He’s kind of a babby Spider-Man, so i’m not offended. He’s got in universe time to grow into an annoying piece of shit.

Unless Sony doesn't want to play ball when their agreement with Marvel ends, they could just take the character back after how much of a success Venom has been

I guess we'll find out with that. I think Far From Home is gonna do like a billion or something so that's pretty good leverage since Sony gets all the profits from MCU Spidey movies.

Venom was also not exactly a critical darling

Into Spiderverse did pretty damn well though

I do. It's sad to see my old favorite character being a subservient, weak and pathetic guy. Not muh spider-man.
But it's ok Spider-verse was muh Spider-man in many ways, as long they keep cranking that, I can keep not going to the live action movies.

Yeah but that's animated. Different market

Early Ditko was naive, byt he demanded respect from the first day.
He didn’t beg for Avengers membership, either, he told them to get stuffed. He pissed off Thor without a second thought.
It’s secondary media, however, so it’s its own thing. It might even be good, but don’t pretend it’s any thing approaching a good adaption.

HAHAAHAHAHAHHA no

For an animated movie not from Disney/Pixar it did great.

Yeah but that's cause early Spidey was kind of an asshole and I have a feeling a 15 year old asshole wouldn't fly so great especially when there's enough assholes in the MCU

You are crazy if you think making 1 billion should be the standard for success. That's not something most movies can do.

Into the Spiderverse DID make back a little over 4 times its budget, which by any normal measure is a pretty good success

OP does.. so that count as one.

Well lucky you

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It's hard to have him mature when hes only had one movie to actually have an arc. His other three appearances have been in the middle of chaos. This argument should be and probably will be made after FFH does nothing meaningful with him

>This argument should be and probably will be made after FFH does nothing meaningful with him
Just by the nature of "Stark not being around" I don't think this is possible. Besides

How long did it take for comic Spider-Man to get into the Avengers? Movie Spider-Man is on a much wilder ride than comic Spider-Man. It makes sense he's not as cocky yet.

>A lot of people think the appeal of the character is being an inexperienced young hero, when in reality what makes Parker special is just being a regular joe who just tries to make ends meet while carrying the responsibility of saving people due to having the power to do more than others.

>You're liking Spider-Man for the wrong reasons.

Obviously.

Nah, his new mentor/handler is Nick Fury because they really don't know how to tell a Spider-man story on his own.

MCU Spider-Man was written as Iron Man's sidekick as a power move against Sony
Accept it
There will not be a good Spider-Man movie for decades

god you're fucking retarded. obviously the movie is going to end with spiderman telling fury to fuck off

Hell he was introduced in a fight against other heroes. That's definitely a bit of a step up from The Chameleon.

Actually Spidey was one of the first heroes the Avengers invited in vol.1 to join up.
They get all jobbed out to a Spider-robot who had the same power level/skills as Spidey, but Spider-man beats it by doing some creative web shit.
He is called "Ace Hero" by the Avengers who REALLY want him in the team, but Spidey assumes they won't pay him and leaves.
Iron Man proclaims Stark would give him cash to stay, but he already left by then,
Check issue #11.

HOLY COW, MR. STARK

>MCU Spider-Man was written as Iron Man's sidekick as a power move against Sony
I always just assumed it was a clause in RDJ's contract that mandated him to be a part of every other hero's story because the mcu can't go 5 minutes without deepthroating his fragile ego, but that works too.

Brie, RDJ got over himself a long time ago. Maybe it's time you did too.

No it's just casuals picking up surface level shit as always. Read a book faggot

I like this version of Peter because it sets him up for an interesting arc where he might eventually grow into the Peter we know in the comics.

It will be more satisfying to see him change over the years, kind of like how MCU Tony Stark did.

No shit, it still doesn't change the fact that it's the same shit as homecoming.

I get the feeling that Tom Holland is post-Endgame main character of the MCU, and will be the center point around which the future Avengers/crossovers form. In this way, I think we'll see him be fanboy Peter for a long time until he's forced to finally grow up, and then he'll lead the group into the finale of, what, phase 4-6? Whatever they're planning, I guess.

It's entirely there to make his character arc work for a LOOOOONG span of time, since it'll likely end with Miles Morales becoming Spider-Man 10 years from now, whether that's because of a dead Peter, an active mentor Peter, or a retired Peter.

That summary by the director doesn't sound promising though. He is still reluctant prioritize doing what's right and instead defers to others and apparently even more people outside of himself have to tell him to step up? Just how many father figures does MCU Peter have to lose before he finally starts accepting his responsibility that comes with his powers?

>I get the feeling that Tom Holland is post-Endgame main character of the MCU
No. Disney aren't going to hinge their entire universe around a character that's one bad contract negotiation from being withdrawn. He'll probably have a big role to play. But he's not going to be MC like Cap/IM for business reasons.

Nah, Ultimate Spidey is an impatient hot head. He'd be considered a dick by general audiences.

That's fair, yeah. Although we don't know if the Hungry Mouse will just devour another major company in the next few years or so. Who do you suppose will be the MC then? Didn't Larson sign for a ridiculous amount of movies? Will they really center their universe around a character people vocally despise

>RDJ got over himself a long time ago.
The guy who gets an obscene cut of every movie's profit and whose character, in his movie run, went from a genius engineer/weapons manufacturer to a walking plot device who somehow figured time travel and such a central piece that the survival of the Universe required him, and no one else, to snap his fingers. Oh and he also took over the role from Uncle Ben. That guy really got over himself.

I really don't know why Disney hires you folks, the damage control is only needed in Star Wars department, the mcu is fine.

Strange maybe? People like Cucumberbutt, and I'm probably forgetting someone. But I think he's the most established hero that got their own movie still on Earth after Endgame.

It’s because RDJ makes money user, nobody else is as big a star in the MCU.

It'll be Doctor Strange, it's pretty obvious they're setting him up as the new center of the MCU

>vocally despise
1 billion dollars, user

tbf he did just watch his mentor die after he was explicet about wanting to retire and enjoy his life with his family. There has always been that with pete, trying to find a balance between meeting his self imposed obligations with his powers and trying to build his life for himself. Besides if we're going to see another spider-man mcu movie after this its tom holland being a thirty year old man dying in high school to set up Miles so its not unreasonable to see pete want to live his life as pete

lets see her pull those numbers not behind the literal ending of the entire franchise. Hell if endgame was a typical performance she pulls off as captain marvel than good luck hitting those numbers again

He makes sense as a kind of supporting character tying things together like Fury, but main character? Eh.
>1 billion dollars, user
That's true, yeah

We just had one last year.

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I think he means a good singular spider-man movie not a good spider-reference movie

Again. We had that last year.

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Yes, I too am I'm sure that an mcu Spider-Man movie set in high school without Iron Man being a father figure hitting on aunt May would absolutely just bomb, user. I'm glad they managed to get RDJ to save that absolute turd of the most popular super hero of all time in the most financially successful franchise in modern cinema.

> Comes into thread asking why anyone should give a shit instead of just ignoring it
Disneyshill or braindead MCU fanboy that's never touched a comic?

when he can stand on his own without having to rely on everything set up 50 years before his creation maybe until then he's terrible and will always be that

>That is literally how the MCU works so yes.
Explain how any character has had any development besides for turning into a quipster.

>Nigga Pete was in high school for a VERY brief period and was in college
And MCU peter is still in High school. You are proving my point, there.

This doesn't prove anything in your favor. It's not a brief amount of time if Peter is in fucking high school over the span of several years thanks to the intervals between installments. We shouldn't have to wait 8 damn years in the hope we MIGHT get the Spider-Man people want

I might say the same but I think the strength of Holland’s portrayal is it’s really emphasizing the progression of an inexperienced Spiderman into a more experienced one.
I’m guessing he’ll be more of the expected Spiderman character by the end of Far From Home when he fully comes to terms with Stark’s death and comes into his own

What you expect, he was dust at the end of Infinity War.

Yes, he's too good a kid. He doesn't have that spiteful edge a Peter Parker should have. That's more a Miles thing.

>Early Spider-man
>subservient
Teen Peter was even more boisterousness as a teen than as an adult. He got into fights with everyone and only backed down in his civilian life to protect his secret identity.

Early Peter was a school shooter waiting to happen. MCU Peter isn't like that at all.

Do you know what a Legacy hero is?

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Nebula for one

nigga has been around for 9 years and still hasn't had a good story. Do you know what a marketing scheme is?

Like the way he told Tony to back off and then followed him around in Infinity War

I just never liked how Peter wanted to basically be Tony's sidekick, and how he got his suits and tech from him.
Like Spidey was made to be a teen hero who wasn't just some sidekick to an older experienced hero like every other teen was in comics back then, he was his own man hence the name Spider-MAN not something dumb like boy.

>I’m guessing he’ll be more of the expected Spiderman character by the end of Far From Home when he fully comes to terms with Stark’s death and comes into his own
In the same way he usually comes to terms with Ben's death and comes into his own?
The arc that apparently we're all sick of so let's do it again but with a rich guy now?

You also get to see Aunt May dating Happy apparently. So Stark replaces Uncle Ben as a dead father figure, while his assistant moves in on his widow.

People were sick of the origin story part itself, not the "comes into his own" part.

So much of MCU's Spider-man feels the direct opposite of his original concepts.
Non-Sidekick, everyman teen hero with social issues with no magic/business/army support structure who has to figure it out on his own?

No! Let's have a niceboy teen hero who plays sidekick to a rich billionaire who gives him lot's of stuff!
Escapism goes too far sometimes.

>Will they really center their universe around a character people vocally despise

Literally no one but right-wing white incels cares about Brie Larson's personality. The average person does not care, especially not in the rest of the world that isn't the US like China. They see Brie Larson has her Captain Marvel character. CM made $1 billion dollars worldwide. Sorry dude, your butthurt is not going to make Marvel drop her.
I'm not even defending her, I think her attitude is awful, but that's the reality of things.

I legit will hold watching any of those movies as long trucking Happy Hogan is a relevant character in a Spider-man series.

They wont do that anymore because Deadpool takes that archetype and cranks it up to 11

Early Pete was naive but he was also very pissed off and didn't get along with anyone except his Aunt

1 billion doesn't mean anything if she was piggy backing off the 11 year culmination of a franchise.
It's not even a /pol/tard incel thing. It's gotten to the point where even normalfags find her annoying. Just go to any Instagram or facebook marvel post that involves CM and you will see tons of normalfags that dislike Her.

Fuck off.

Most of the Guardians have actually gotten a ton of it.

Take a look at all the MCU male heroes. Every single one of them. Done?
Notice how none of them have any intimidation, any edge, or anything that would stop them from being tumblr "UWU SO CUTE" bait?

That's what happened to Spiderman. OG Spidey wouldn't sell today, because he was kind of an asshole. He could be spiteful, he could be bitter, he could be what they called a "nice guy". Tumblr wouldn't eat that up.

So now we get "oh so nice and goofy adorkable XD" faggot played a cunt who couldn't intimidate a fucking mouse.

I 100% agree. He's just a bubbly, giddy puppy, not Peter Parker.
He has none of the weight or responsibility that Spider-Man carries with him.
Spider-Verse was WAY better in capturing the character.

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PS4 Spiderman also lacked that bit of an edge OG Spiderman had.

Have it right.

That's not really an argument

Spider-Verse was way better at a lot of characters.

Not true. Remember how pissed Parker got in that game after YOU KNEW?!?!

That Spider-Man is like 40 years old and been in the role for over 2 decades

It's been a decade. Fuck off with this "JUST GIVE MILES TIME HE HAS POTENTIAL"

And? It was exactly like what you'd expect Ditko Spider-Man and every comics version of Spider-Man to be like at 40.
MCU Spider-Man is the complete opposite of high school aged comics Peter.

Yeah, he got pissed once. But overall he took way too much shit.

Especially from MJ.

Buddy pissed off Peter only happens once in a blue moon and it's glorious when it does. Furthermore, he called MJ out on a lot of things

Peter turned down avengers membership in Homecoming and only became an Avenger in IW because he was on hand. He'd have been there fighting against Thanos with or without Tony. He saw the ships and went.

He sold it when he was with Tony one final time, he still has a long way to go...he's not even 17 yet

He's already proven it. Best spider character in the past decade. His Ultimate run was pretty great and his unfocused 616 phase was over when Bendis left the book. It's why he was the only worthwhile thing from 1610, It's why he's still around while Superior is hanging by a thread and everyone forgot about Silk until I just mentioned her in this sentence.

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>long haul
Sony could dip whenever since Venom had a good start, they might get cocky and pull him back.

Imagine people saying this about a Robin or a Superboy lol
Just admit you're a faggot, Miles is miles (heh) better than fucking Gwen or Cain or whatever Silks name is. Miles is only topped by Ben & May

He would have died before leaving the atmosphere without Tony

The chick who was responsible for fucking up the whole Spidey verse at Sony left, right? Does that mean that Sony might be more open to working with Marvel than before?

>The character is so subservient and naive in a way that doesn't feel like any version of Pete that I've read.

They had to make him relatable to millenials.

He's way too dopey.

Pascal? She also helped negotiate the Disney deal, and was pretty involved in Homecoming. Also there's a hard limit to how open they can be and I think the current deal is it. They agreed to a five movie deal. They might renew it. But I can't see them agreeing to a longer contract term than that. They won't make a deal for other characters like Venom as they're trying to build their own universe.

Nick taking an interest in someone doesn’t make him a mentor.

He is not Spider-Man. The same way Ezra Miller is not the Flash. Try to understand that.

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And STILL, people cheered when he showed up through the portals

Cry more faggot

you gave enough shit to reply

That's what people want, the exact same character and storyline, every single time a movie is released. That's why The Amazing Spider-Man broke box office records and Into the Spider-verse was an unmitigated failure.

Is there some place online I could get a handy collected introduction to spiderman?
I've always wanted to jump on but I'm never sure where to do it.

I’m not the biggest Holland fan but fuck that’s harsh. He’s not THAT bad.

That's not fair Holland is at least an acrobat. Miller doesn't even run like a human.

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ASM Epic Collections are your best bet. Real good way to get some good Spidey action.

Sweet, thanks user.
Is that gonna be from the start or is there shit I need to know going in?

Maybe in your theatre of autists.

in every theater, check out the reactions on youtube

Any theatre that has a recording is automatically a theatre of autists

Holland is a bad actor and that's why this version is such shit. He literally does not care at all about the character or comics, they hired a pretty boy with no objections to them raping Spider-man in every way they could.

Tom Holland Spider-man is the worst thing that Marvel has ever done.

>A lot of people think the appeal of the character is being an inexperienced young hero, when in reality what makes Parker special is just being a regular joe who just tries to make ends meet while carrying the responsibility of saving people due to having the power to do more than others.

Those people are fucking idiots, that's the problem. "Teen spider-man" doesn't last long and requires the writers to make up stupid scenarios around highschool. Highschool is four years of your life, and not the best ones. Spider-man is better being an independent adult with a job and some experience under his belt that started off young, but the youth never has to be the focus of the character -- that's Marvel is fucking up big time, over and over.

I think you're just a little bitch that can't handle being in the minority

Yeah Ditko's DNA in the character has always resulted in Spider-man's INDEPENDENCE from other characters. It's the Objectivist mindset of being dependent only on yourself and carrying through and not burdening others. Peter still has that, people just don't know where it comes from or understand it so they butcher it.

That's why he's acting so out of character. He's a fucking Spider-man. Literally man with spider DNA, Spiders are reclusive creatures people don't like. THAT is what makes Peter work, the social outcast who's saving the day is the spirit of the spider who saves your ass from bugs and you're ungrateful.

MCU/Disney Spider-man is "appeal to superficial teenagers on social media"... They took a spirited individualist and turned him into a dumbstruck conformist.

>Audience: Be like the actual character!

>Tom Holland with Disney's cock in his mouth: NO! I REFUSE!

I CLAPPED
I CLAPPED WHEN ALL THE "DEAD" PEOPLE WITH UPCOMING MOVIES CAME BACK

He's not Spider-Man, he's Tony's sidekick. The MCU really fucked him up.

>Spider-verse

>Good

Just admit you hate Peter for being white and need Hip Hop Social Justice Approved Bendis Man!

You're projecting a bit here. Plenty of interviews show he's had an attachment to the character. I would blame the writers instead of him, it's not like MCU actors are really given much freedom in how they work, everything is micromanaged ahead of time

why are you so mad that people are having fun?

Well Spider-Verse is a fucking masterpiece, and probably the best Spider-Man movie ever, so you’re right there.

>u mad

You're the one saying that Spider-Man's characterization is fine because people reacted to an incredibly predictable scene

and you're the guy getting angry because people are cheering for a character

No I'm saying that cheering for that scene doesn't mean anything. They would have cheered Whiplash

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Except his story in Homecoming was saving the day even though he had been shat on because of him acting on his own, and knowing it would ruin his social life (especifically, the thing with Liz).

Isn't Spider-Man Marvels most profitable superhero series and MO market franchise? It would make sense that my highlights Spidey over every one else.

>That's what happened to Spiderman. OG Spidey wouldn't sell today, because he was kind of an asshole. He could be spiteful, he could be bitter, he could be what they called a "nice guy". Tumblr wouldn't eat that up.

That's how deadpool is and people love him.

Peter get a hella more mad in recent 616, especially with deadpool and johnny.

You clearly have not read early Spider-Man. He was confrontational, angry, and very independent

The only time anyone could consider him to be remotely close to that in the 616 is shit from Civil War (one of the worst of all time stories, especially for Spidey) on through BND and Slott's run. No one actually likes that shit though and no one considers it as classic Spider-Man by any metric.

Homecoming was Peter being a incel to heroics, loads of heroes with powers always did good with their respective heroic duties in their own movies by not listening to other people and breaking the rules but Peter is the only one who fucking has to get called out for it.

>Iron Man
>complete departure from comics, but becomes most beloved version besides contrarians

>Spider-man
>complete departure from comics
>REEEEEEEE

Tom Holland is the best live action version of Spiderman to date.

Mary Jane is that black...uh Latino...uh....That sassy girl with light black skin

After the events of Endgame they do have a perfect set up for Oscorp coming in now, and...honestly...unless they REALLY nail a Jameson actor like Simmons did in the Rammi movies, he's probably not going to show up outside of games (PS4) or animation (Possible Spider-Verse Sequel)
Which, I'm not gonna lie. Darin De Paul for the PS4 game was pretty top tier as Jameson, so I'd be fine with him staying on as a VA for future projects, maybe even have his voice be on the radio as Jameson in the MCU, that way we know he's still around but they don't have to worry about casting him

I kind of agree. This spiderman feels neutered compared to what I originally know Spiderman to be.

To be fair, Deadpool get's pretty UwU on tumblr.
Especially with Peter himself.

I hate it.

>iron man
>glorified B-lister that has no good stories

>spider-man
>A-list of A-listers with an arsenal of good stories

The biggest flaws are their take on MJ and personally I too would have liked to have seen a little more bloodlusted Parker but all things considered those are two relatively minor fuckups compared to like every other adaptation he's ever had.

id rather have a "fake" MJ than a bad one like that shit from PS4man

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I don't mind it when it's the cinematic versions of them, because Peter being a fanboy for an accidental pedophile sounds like a good movie. In the comics it doesn't have enough spice for me to find it interesting though.

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More like no no no bros why is Peter a glorified sidekick who has had everything handed to him on a silver platter and doesn't go through genuine strife with real consequences

>Isn't Spider-Man Marvels most profitable superhero series
Not when it comes to movies.

>street level hero

The only bad thing about PS4 MJ was how annoying her levels were to play. As a character she was fine.

If they'd actually had the rights to him a lot earlier on I'm sure he would have been, regardless of whether they him correctly or not.

>As a character she was fine
Fuck off. She was an obnoxious cunt.

You're thinking about the MCU version rather than how it generally is.
They're more like hate each other acquaintances. I think Spidey turned Deadpool in before.

Merchandise sales are more important than ticket sales for Disney.

>You're thinking about the MCU version rather than how it generally is.
Yes, that's what I meant.

tony Stark has had the most character development leading to this moment where he did something he knew for certain 100% there was no coming back from.

That's what MCU Spider-man could and should have been. They easily could have set that up and choice something far worse and harder to write effectively.

Stark recruiting an older, semi-retired Spider-man would make sense for his launch into the MCU. Basically writing it like a mix of the other two, all that sort of happened and now we're in Peter's later life, where he's joining the Avengers and getting into bigger problems.

>. Plenty of interviews show he's had an attachment to the character.

Really? I literally saw an interview with him laughing and saying he doesn't read the comics, but he likes the part where Peter was a girl...

It's not that no one gets why he's written the way he is, it's just that it's not really corresponding to any personality he's had in the comics. Even during his comic origin story he wasn't like this, that's the issue

>Uncle Ben dies thanks to his actions
>Screws up girlfriend's life by jailing her villain father
>Tony also dies
Peter can't seem to catch a break. He loses everyone he loves despite his best efforts to not let that happen. I love the tragedy aspect of this character and all these experiences are gonna toughen him up to become a more adult Superhero in the future.

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I like Civil War Spider-man, I like how he went with Stark, got betrayed and decided to do his own thing... Not be Stark's lackey.

RDJ didn't do a complete departure, Stark was definitely like that he just added real life charisma. Holland is playing some teen in a romantic comedy who happens to be wearing a funny Spider-man suit.

>t. Lovestruck Fangirl

You should be ashamed of yourself, Spidey would never be the "uke" to DP's same. Spidey is literally stronger than him in everyway, even humor based chadness.

He also died, he should have been a sociopath by now.

KYS, he runs fine - it was literally Snyder's direction that gave us the derpy running he had in JL.

>Peter is like watered down Spider-Man, partly in an effort to differentiate from past incarnations.
No, MCU Peter is just white Miles.

The MCU Spidey will probably start to grow now that certain characters are out of his life. It'll be interesting to see what happens next.

What did he break Ezra's legs in 9 different places or something?

No, all of the running scenes were shot on a bouncy-trampoline-esque treadmill with him hooked up to wires which created the stupid "floaty" movements/running

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I'm glad Tony is dead if only for this

You can really see Ben reconsidering his life choices there.

>It'll be interesting to see what happens next.
Nothing will happen, it's fucking disney.

Personally I'm a fan of the green screen-suit guy gently rocking the Batmobile

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Nope, MCU Spidey is the longest play Disney has, even longer than Thanos. They started him in high school to grow the entire way

>subserviant and naive

He's got like three lines in the movie and both make sense in context. He's been out of the loop for five years, and the only person he addresses is his personal mentor.

What a phony complaint.

I think this is pretty unlikely. The MCU movies generates a lot of shekels and requires almost no effort on their part, and films without Peter as the main focus have (so far) proven to be good enough.

It's weird to see Marvel's most famous character sucking up so much to another hero. Maybe it makes sense in the MCU because it's the only Marvel universe where Iron Man is the top-dog superhero, but I think it would feel weird if, say, comics Spidey spent that much time sucking up to Captain America.

I would say that hopefully the end of Endgame will remove that and force him to become more of his own man, only it looks like they're going to just have him suck up to Nick Fury instead.

Maybe Kevin Feige is living out his fantasy of having one of the most famous characters in the world suck up to rich, powerful genius authority figures. To him, Spidey must be good because he's so respectful of his elders.

>only it looks like they're going to just have him suck up to Nick Fury instead
You have to be a fucking retard to think this. Why would he give a shit about Nick Fury? He's not a superhero.

Remember, Yea Forums:
White Spider-Man is weak and subservient, and fat and a slob
New, Black Spider-Man is cool and awesome and can turn invisible, no White Spider-Man could do that.

>worlds best spy
>cooler than james bond
>shaft
>black
>one eye
>assembled the avengers
he's better

Not in the MCU public eye he's not. There's no reason for a teenager to think he's cooler than Iron Man.

there is for a teenager who is likely aware he did all those things, i.e. spider-man in this universe, to think he is

>THAT is what makes Peter work, the social outcast who's saving the day is the spirit of the spider who saves your ass from bugs and you're ungrateful.
Can confirm, the jumping spider is your friend and if you see one jumping around your wall he's probably just bored and doesn't mean to scare you, please don't squish him, thanks, have a shadman pic.

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Based user. I feel the same way. That's why I love his relationship with Tony in the MCU

Could probably be the best on-screen Peter Paker if he had a Better writer/director

>Personally I think PS4 Spider-Man is the best cinematic Peter we've gotten in a LONG time.

What about the two Peters from Spiderverse? (Noir not included, of course.)

>>Audience: Be like the actual character!
But the vast majority of the audience love him as he is.

Everywhere Tony went Peter ended up there by coincidence or was there first.

I don't even have words for how disappointed I am in Shadman's recent images. I wanted so much more from brainwashed dog-milf.

Just watch Into the Spider-Verse

Tony Stark as his personal mentor to begin with is so far from Comic spidey, even high school Spidey. It's not that the character doesn't make sense, but it's just not spider-man, did you even read the whole thing?

>anything that would stop them from being tumblr "UWU SO CUTE" bait
Tumblr actively changes characters for their shit to work all the time, like taking characters that are straight and making them gay, ironically the biggest deterrent against tumblr latching onto a character is for him to be a black dude, Black Panther being the exception.

But one of the most consistent things people have pointed out is no one cheered for Captain Marvel

I didn't realize there was so many against Holland's spiderman, imo he does fit the suit. I just hope they nail Far from Home, this is Mysterio's chance PEOPLE!

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i think you're making way too big a deal about a small performance in an ensemble movie with a huge cast. Peter did his thing and then they went to somebody else.

his second solo movie is coming up, we'll see how he is but it's difficult how good he is at being peter parker when for the most part in endgame he had to stick to being second fiddle to ten other characters.

Far From Home is gonna be surprising one way or another. I have a feeling they're doing the elemental guys as not Mysterio's holograms but actually Eternals

Ahh just wait till Vol.3. I wouldn't be surprised if she lightens up due to thanos being gone and her learning what "fun" is from Tony.

you can have different takes on a character, if you don't like the way it's written in one medium you can always try another

>but Spidey assumes they won't pay him and leaves.
Was early spiderman jewish?

wew lad

I had a version of a Spider-man movie I wanted, years before the MCU got his rights that involved Mysterio, using holograms and Fury. Although Mysterio was never revealed in the trailers or movie until the end, you think it's Osborn coming back but that's what Mysterio is doing to fuck with Spidey's head.

I'm thinking they just steal ideas from the Internet at this point, with some advanced AI that combs all the sites.

He obviously can't read. He mistook what the director was telling about the plot with what audiences actually think

Somewhat relevant video, but this guy sums up my problems with MCU Peter:
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TLDR he's basically comic Miles

why do alot of people here not like homecoming?

Mysterio is legit my favorite Spidey villain and Jake Gyllenhaal is one of my favorite actors.

MCU Peter is such a fucking pussy I can't stand it. I'm glad Tony's dead so he can stop sucking him off in every single scene he's in.

Who cares? It's perfectly fine if we go a decade without good solo Spider-Man movies, and he's perfect for ensemble roles.

Definitely my least favorite live action Spider-Man. We're going to be dealing with his shit for years though.

>Audience: Be like the actual character!
>Tom Holland with Disney's cock in his mouth: NO! I REFUSE!

If you don't understand from the screencap that his character is meant to be in the wrong and then grow as a consequence of the story then you may be literally autistic.

KYS FAGGOT

Spiderman living in borderline-poverty is one of the core traits of his character.
It's one of the traits that made him so relatable.
I don't think we've seen this in the MCU version yet.
The closest I can think of is that scene in Homecoming where he bargains with that deli owner for a cheaper price.

>Stark recruiting an older, semi-retired Spider-man
I wonder if they could've reused tobey like this.
You could have Spiderman be like some obscure urban legend that no one believed in until stark recruits him.

MORPHEUS DRINKIN A 40 IN A DEATH BASKET FAAAUGH

They were building up RDJ up as jesus and they needed someone to be a disciple/sidekick. They picked Spider-Man and murdered the character in the process.

Spider-Man a ritual sacrifice to the church of RDJ ... fuck hollywood.

So, they don't care about heavy drama stuff.

This is something I've speculated too.
Spiderman is one of if not the most popular hero in the world, but the only issue is the rights that disney has to share with sony.
Bringing spiderman into the MCU this way was a huge risk and if future negotiations don't work out then it was a waste.

He's the rookie kid. He can keep up as we saw in Civil War, but there's too many egos for him to also be arrogant and quippy. He compliments the MCU better.

>Sony opt not to renew the deal with Disney and sign Tom Holland to appear in their own internal bootleg MCU

How do people at large react?

So Ironman assisting another hero makes them less of a hero? Stark made the suits in Age of Ultron. Are the Avengers just his sidekicks?

He's not MCU so they won't like him anymore. Still Spider-Verse and the Raimi movies proved that Spidey doesn't need the MCU. But Holland should be replaced if that were to happen.

Spidey and Deadpool are actually friends currently. It used to be one side though.

Depends on the writer, Duggan kept treating them as not liking each other and then settled for frenemied. He ignored Spider-Man/Deadpool. I do like the idea of them being frenemies since Peter is too self righteous to be ok with someone that murders for money, Wade hates being confused with Spider-Man , egos would clash and they would try to outfunny each other. The Bugs to the other's Daffy.

That’s fair.

At this weird angle it looks like he's humping it.

>Batmobile bouncing effect is literally just greensuit man shaking the car

Interesting