Why DC wants to sell the idea that Batman is deep down a bad guy so goddamn much...

Why DC wants to sell the idea that Batman is deep down a bad guy so goddamn much? It's not even an Elseworlds type of thing, like they often do with Superman. The Detective Comics big landmark issue pretty much told its readers that BAT MAN BAD.

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>It's another "Why does this problem that doesn't exist happening?!" thread.

>The Detective Comics big landmark issue pretty much told its readers that BAT MAN BAD.
The supervillain said that.

They keep saying it over and over again. It happened in James Tynnion's Detective Comics run, in Tom King's Batman run, now in Peter Tomasi's Detective Comics run. Not to mention in other books like Harley Quinn.

Bat to the bone
Bat to the bone
B-b-b-b-b-b-b-bat
B-b-b-b-b-b-b-bat
B-b-b-b-b-b-b-bat
Bat to the bone

Don't forget Sean Murphy's White Knight.

The real problem with Batman can be summed up in one word: overexposure.

You know someone's who's a bad guy deep down inside being a good guy through sheer force of will and stubbornness is pretty compelling.

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>They keep saying it over and over again
Wellblet's look at the actual nuances here.
>Tom King's Batman
No one is saying that in this run.
>Tomasi's detective comics
The supervillain is saying that.
>Harley quinn
It's her book told from her perspective but also no one is saying Batman is a bad person.
>Tynion's run
The villains said that.

But it's also not actually happening in regards to Batman.

>reading modern batman comics
>not sticking to pre-2000s Batman comics

are you an idiot

It's less that DC thinks he's a bad guy deep down and more that Batman is a broken man who means well but can't save anyone and alienates his allies because he's damaged emotionally.

He's a rich white male.

The all-seeing artificially intelligent killer satellite, the artificially intelligent nanobots capable of infecting and modificating humans and aliens alike, the numerous contingencies plans capable to inert or kill heroes, the indoctrinated child soldiers, the amassed murder weapons, the fucked up sexual assaults on many women... i don't know, guys. These things seem pretty evil.

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this. batman peaked in the late 80s and early 90s

>Batman is a broken man who means well but can't save anyone and alienates his allies because he's damaged emotionally
But that's not true either.

maybe the guy shouldn't spend his free time beating up the mentally ill and disenfranchised.

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>the indoctrinated child soldiers,
Y'know Superman lets his kid fight crime too. Does that mean Superman has indoctrinated child soldiers too?

>No one is saying that in this run.
But they have. Hell, the whole run is about how Batman is a bad thing and Bruce should just stop.

That's how he's being written currently and that's the version of the character that DC wants to push right now.

It has been the default characterization since the New 52.

Batman. Say it fast. Really fast. As fast as you can. Over and over. So, what do you hear? Badman.
Bad.
Man.
Batman.
Badman.

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You guys can thank this fucking asshole right here.

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No one knows what it's like
To be the bat man
To be the sad man
Behind blue eyes

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>Hell, the whole run is about how Batman is a bad thing and Bruce should just stop
No it's not.

Because Batman is as psychotic as criminals he fights. He could become one of them if his parents would be shot by cops for example.

Yes, it is. Stop lying. If you want defend King senpai so bad do a better job.

>stop lying
I'm not lying though. Batfags just always think that the current writer for Batman hates Batman.
Same thing happened to Morrison.

>Billionaire that dresses up at night and beats poor people.
>This isn’t what a bad guy does

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What comes next after evil Wonder Woman and Evil Superman, OP?

>the fucked up sexual assaults on many women...

uwutm8?

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Tom King certainly hates Batman, though. Come on.

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Literaly yes. Actualy they shvould shut down Teen Titans too, because they have a vault with a shitload of dead teenagers that died fighting super vilains. They all should be in a "super hero school" instead of literaly dying in the streets.

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Reminder that Batman bank-rolls the Teen Titans, the Outsiders, and so on.

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I kinda agree with you, one thing is Batman being a flawed but good person, but lately I feel like the idea of him doing more bad than good is being pushed more and more lately.

>Billionaire spends a significant portion of his time and resources on inane acts rather than improving the city through governmental departments and charity organizations.
He's a bad guy. The real villain is DC forcing batman down our fucking throats instead of wrapping up his story and letting writers create new stories free from capeshit.

Bat-Trump doing the Batusi would be epic and probably his quota for exercise for the year.

Reminder.

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Reminder that in Christopher Nolan's The Dark Knight Batman was compared to George Bush and Dick Cheney, that in Zack Snyder's Batman v Superman Batman was compared to Dick Cheney again, and that apparently in the Joker movie Thomas Wayne will be compared to Donald Trump.

What the anons said above about Batman being portrayed as bad because he's a rich and white guy has some validity.

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I don't see this at all. Granted for decades Batman has been shown in "dark and grim and gritty" contexts or been seen as a flawed almost anti-hero. The "How different are you from the villains you fight, really?" comparison with him also dressing up in a costume, having mental issues, and having obsessive goals has been getting made forever, too. But the appeal of a human or flawed superhero and the whole how different is any hero from the monsters he fights isn't BAT MAN BAD.
But you're just making a /pol/ b8 thread, not asking a real question. Comparing Batman to Trump makes no sense. Batman obviously fights other rich characters all the time. Probably Lex Luthor would be more Trump like, even getting elected President at one point, or better yet the Penguin who is a con man and gets into politics and business a lot. Generally Batman isn't interested in celebrity, making money, or running for office (there are exceptions in stories but these things aren't big drivers of his character, personally delivered revenge through street vigilante crimefighting is) so outside of inheriting money (likes tons of other comic characters and superheroes do) I don't see how they have anything in common.

Nobody is making a /pol/, even the references to Donald Trump isn't about politics at all, but rather how writers end up reducing Batman to just another shady white and rich guy. This is something that has been done intentionally in movies since the 2000s. Bush, Cheney, Trump. Any shady white and rich guy that holds some power. It's more to show how writers have been following a trend.

The thing that gets me about how DC handles Batman is that many times they want to sorta punish the character for following tropes that EVERY FUCKING CAPESHIT CHARACTER does.
Batman being a normal guy that puts on a mask to fight crime? Crazy. Lets ignore Green Arrow, Green Lantern, the Flash...
Batman not killing his rogues despite the things they pull? Bad. Lets ignore Superman, the Flash...
Batman having young sidekicks? Bad. Lets ignore Aquaman, the Flash, Green Arrow...
Batman having a double identity and wearing a mask? Shady. Lets ignore Superman (i love how Superman is all about trust differently from the shady Batman despite also living a double life), the Flash, Green Lantern...

It's like Batman lives in a vacum where he's the only one pulling such tropes.

>writers end up reducing Batman to just another shady white and rich guy. This is something that has been done intentionally in movies since the 2000s. Bush, Cheney, Trump.

I've gotta be honest with you here: I don't even really know what you're talking about. Not trying to be snarky. Sure some stories might mention income inequality and say Batman's in a weird position as a general issue, but I don't see him regularly specifically compared to those people. Batman being "shady" is usually the standard superhero meta pointing out that superheroes are vigilantes who operate outside of the law, and wondering how people would feel about random people taking the law into their own hands in real life (see Watchman, Rorschach isn't rich at, he's the opposite, but he's partly a commentary on an angry person getting "justice" through working out his own psychological issues outside of the law, and how that's kind of fucked up). With any of the wealthy superheroes, that just become even more questionable because of their power imbalance and also the realistic fact that they could do more to make things better by doing charitable things with their money, but that would be a boring comic to read. As for the standard evil rich guy trope, in America I think that's partly something that grew out of the War for Independence and how Americans see themselves vs. authoritarian aristocrats.

Streets are the only place to learn.

These. Jesus christ, Morrison really was the last time Batman was portrayed as a positively in universe.

It has been less comics, and more movies, and it has nothing to do with Trump, but all to do with Dick Cheney. It's a commentary on - and get this! - WAR ON TERROR. It's just a dumb comparison between Batman and Dick Cheney both doubled on the "war on their terror" mentality out of a desire for revenge/power.

How could he be bad? Just look at this innocent face.

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So make a school

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If working nights in a downtown 7eleven taught me one thing, it's that poor people can be scumbags too. If some masked psycho would stop by and beat the fuck out the asshole ones every now and then, i certainly wouldn't lose any sleep over it.

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Fucking based

Batman spends millions improving Gotham non comic reader user.

>If some masked psycho would stop by and beat the fuck out the asshole ones every now and then, i certainly wouldn't lose any sleep over it.

I miss him already

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We failed him user, we were supposed to change. We were supposed to be better...

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It's retards m8, nothing more.
Just shut the fuck up

Brother Eye is pretty much like Iron Man and Civil War as in: they were both right but we can't have that let happen.

>Villain says that Batman is bad
No shit, dumbass. Get off my site

The Bat-Family also calls him a villain.

that's because it's the only way to prop them up
>baaaw Batman is an asshole not like us saints!

No.

>heroes go around without check doing whatever they want, mind raping people etc.
>we must do something about that
>reee this is bad! they should be above everything!

>heroes go around do bad things
>this means we shouldn't stop these particular heroes from doing these particular bad things, we should catch everyone
Nah

Yeah, lets forget the disasters both caused because Bruce and Tony were idiots that spent more time fighting heroes than setting up a proper defense for shit that can be used against them..

Why should Batman hog up all the limelight? Instead of using Batman use different characters like Blue beetle or peacemaker.

that's because the writers had to show how having basic insurance against things is bad!!

just like having countermeasures for people who get brainwashed or controlled every couple of arcs is somehow a bad thing. Even in the original Tower of Babel he only started coming up with plans after the arc where the JL was mindcontrolled and they almost lost the planet.

Reminder that originally the one to come up with a countermeasure in regards to the kryptonite was Superman himself. Back then Superman and Batman weren't even that close, but Superman gave Batman anyway a kryptonite rock so there'd be someone to stop him if the need came. That was Superman placing his faith on a stranger, Batman, and and thus winning back with that gesture Batman's faith in Superman. Batman was even appalled by the idea and action.

But now it has become a meme that Batman is this shady character that's constantly coming up with ways to kill his friends behind their backs as a pass-time. Waid is a fucking moron.

>The real villain is DC forcing batman down our fucking throats
Don't buy batman comics you absolute moron, no one forces you to do it.
Because there's no "limelight", there's MONEY, batman can sell comics, Blue beetke can't, everytime you see a mini but a C-lister that mini was financed by Batman earnings, you manchildren don't understand how comics fucking work. EVERY SINGLE DC capeshit that sales like shit is on Batwalfare.
>now it has become a meme that Batman is this shady character that's constantly coming up with ways to kill his friends behind their backs as a pass-time.
Yes, becuase in a world where clones, demonic control, mind control, pocket universes replicas, HAL JORDAN, triumph and evil universes it totally makes sense for a Smart superhero to not try ti be prepared, Waid is a moron and Tower was a shitty story, but bad writers writing bad comics and lame plans doesn't mean every single member of the league shouldn'ty be prepared to go against the reast of the team. An anti-tiger Rock doesn't make sense in Canada, but if you live in the Indian Jungle you are a moron if you don't come out with your own anti-tiger rock.

There’s a Batman for everyone because Batman is big moneymaker for DC. Same with Spiderman and Marvel.

Batman is my favorite hero. Let him break some fictional bones...so what?

Readers like most of the dickheads in this thread swallowed the 'batman is just as crazy as his villains' philosophy while completely ignoring two things:

1. Batman is an ongoing product, he can't just Frank the Joker because THEN what?
2. Batman lives in a fictional universe where aliens & amazons exist, a guy can survive being shot in the shoulder 1,876 times like Bruce has, and for a major American city Gotham has no federal infrastructure, no traffic congestion, street gangs that are multi racial, and not a single politician has used the Joker's "Leave Arkham anytime I want lol" bullshit as his own Willie Horton to get into office with the promise of either executing or lobotomizing him.

The shit is NOT the real world but you faggots want it to be one without considering that you're just cherry picking or projecting without considering the after effects.

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>Because there's no "limelight",
But there is, DC makes a choice to focus on Batman and not others.
>Blue beetke can't
Blue beetle can and has build up an audience, this is a market that is being ignored.
>EVERY SINGLE DC capeshit that sales like shit is on Batwalfare.
Trickle down economics is a lie, the only Batwelfare happening is the hemorrhaging of talent being directed towards Batman.

except reality has proven that things don't go that way

That's exactly how it goes. Batman doesn't keep other title afloat but instead monopolize sales.

>people don't want to buy other comics, this is Batman's fault

It is, Batman is a cancer that is stealing nutrients from the other organs. If there was less of an emphasis on Batman then other characters will flourish.

If DC stopped publishing shit about Batman and his world, and instead started to publish more material with lesser known characters all that would happen is that DC would sell A LOT less comics.