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Fun fact: if it wasn't for Civil War, BvS would have been received as a masterpiece
Dominic Evans
Isaac Reyes
Snyder still ruined Pa Kent, and Superman as a result.
Nathan Rogers
martha
Joseph Hall
Nah, Civil War still had a shitty villain with a shitty plan, it only succeeded because the audience focused on the significantly more developed main characters. BvS had neither good main characters, or good villains, so there was nothing to hide its flaws.
Dylan Stewart
If BvS had a developed Superman and Batman it would definetly have had more impact...
Superman more developed would have hurt more in his death
Batman in his psychotic crusade would have had a better journey
Camden Bell
fpbp
Aiden Hughes
>BvS had neither good main characters, or good villains, so there was nothing to hide its flaws.
That's a lie, though.
Kevin Cox
snydercucks out
Caleb Adams
>Superman more developed would have hurt more in his death
>Batman in his psychotic crusade would have had a better journey
Exactly. People underestimate how much this has helped Marvel in the long run. People forgive their bad villains because the movies focus is on building the hero. Spider-Man only appeared in two movies before he died in IW, but they made the effort to make the audience like this version of Peter Parker enough that when he died it had impact.
Joshua Morgan
Just a random reminder that BvS threw in Jimmy Olsen to shoot him in the face.
They couldn't even say the chick from MoS was Jimmy.
Isaiah Collins
>current year
>not realizing yet the greatness of civil war
i really pity deeceekeks
Gavin Lewis
Superman had 10 times the screentime of Peter and yet his death was emotionless
Gabriel White
Superman only had 43 lines in the entire movie that he's headlining. Spider-Man was more developed in Civil War than Superman was in his own movie.
Henry Lopez
No it wouldn't, accept that Batman V Superman is fucking absolute shit and 1 of the WORST CBMs then move on, you stupid DCuck.
Alexander Wilson
that's snyder's genius at work
Brayden Wilson
Whatever helps you sleep at night man.
Ryan Brown
ENJOY BAN YOU FUCK
Thomas Scott
What? What did I do that's bannable?
Blake Parker
Not really. Everyone(especially/co/) thought that Civil War was gonna be a shitshow, with the worst part thought to be the fight in the airport. We all thouggt it was gonna be a bigger disaster than Avengers 2.
Then the movie came out, Yea Forums saw it and actually enjoyed it. Hell, even I enjoyed it.
Oliver Reed
So how do you explain it being lambasted since day 1 despite the fact that Civil War didn't come out for another two months?
Eli Bailey
Nope, if it wasn't for WB suits that movie would have been really great
Carter Taylor
Had the most wrong opinion someone could possible have.
Hunter Gray
Nope. People would’ve still shit on it because it’s a bad movie with a few cool scenes that end up being bad because they’re terrible representations of the characters.
>Batman kills people
>Superman is doormat that everyone is stepping on and he does nothing about it
>Lex Luthor is even loonier than his Silver Age version and sucks
>Lois Lane sub-plot is trash
>The stupid future vision shit about Apokolips invading made zero sense in the narrative of what was happening in BvS,other than it being nothing but references to stuff in the comics and setting up future films
>fucking Flash shows up to warn Bruce RIGHT AFTER BRUCE HAS THAT DARK FUTURE VISION DREAM to spill out exposition drivel and more set up bullshit.
>the fucking JL files that only serve to set up EVEN more films and characters are opened up by Wonder Woman instead of Batman.
>throwing in Doomsday and then fucking up and using the Death of Superman storyline too early in the DCEU.
>Lex Luthor lacking any concrete motivation other than “fuck you, Superman”. No scenes of Superman and Lex interacting outside of the third act, no scenes of Superman winning over the people of Metropolis over Luthor, no scenes of Superman thwarting any of Lex’s plans. NOTHING. Lex in this movie just hates Superman because the people who made the movie assumed having Lex hating Superman cause he’s a bad guy was enough for people who know about the usual stories between the two. Fucking. LAZY.
There’s a ton of other stuff that makes BvS a fucking mess of a movie.
Ethan Allen
You not understanding why Lex hated Superman in the movie speaks more about you, than about the movie. Fucking brainlet.
Nicholas Sanders
Yeah but the brunt of that time is spent treating Supes as a symbol rather than a person, which is ironic considering the movie pretty much tells you you shouldn't do that.
Jason Murphy
imbecile speak for yourself
Bentley Adams
Eisenlex is one of the best movie villains of the decade
Noah Smith
You’re such a fucking hoe, I love it
Jordan Fisher
Falseflag.
Christopher Scott
>Superman had 10 times the screentime of Peter
Not really. They each had one solo movie, Peter's cameo in Civil War had a dedicated set up scene, and Peter didn't die until the end of Infinity War. BvS was ostensibly a Batman movie.
Austin Hernandez
You know, all this "God didn't save me while father was abusive. Must kill the God." thing is not deep, it's just same shit with Black Manta's "Aquaman didn't save me while rapeti rapey assfuck. Must kill the sea." Maybe it's not we are brainlets, but Lex is full autismo?
Cooper Bennett
>Eisenlex is one of the best movie villains of the decade
Imagine hearing this IRL
Ethan Lopez
It's not about God at all. It's about Lex believing that genuine goodness and power don't mix, because you're either stupidly good and powerless as a consequence of your naivety, or you're cruelly smart and powerful as consequence of your ruthlessness. You're either playing or being played. That's the nature of the game.
So based on this philosophy Superman could have only be a farce playing the same game as everyone else and that irked Lex because Superman was playing in his field.
Hunter Wilson
No, is just Snyder that is a hack, he always try to make his movies deep but in the end it always end up less deep than the average MCU or Transformers movie.
Adam Powell
>You must do shaddy things to get a position of power so to be a great politcian/businessman you can't be a saint
Ok, that's logical
>So Superman must be an asshole because he's like a really, really phisically strong dude, he can like lift a car.
?????
David Miller
You guys that are dumb as a bag of rocks and take everything a character say at face value.
Jonathan Harris
It was not about Superman just having super-powers, but Superman trying to present himself as a benevolent figure out merely to help and everyone buying it and praising him in return. That's what pisses Lex off, because that's exactly the game Lex was playing with his Google-like tech giant company and his very woke and down to earth persona.
So Lex sets out to discredit Superman, steal all the kryptonian shit, and force Superman to prove to both of them and everyone else just how selfish and vain Superman really is.
Adam Cooper
It's more that God/Superman/power are symbolic of his father. His father had power over him and abused him therefore people with power are dangerous.
But really it's all about Snyder stroking himself that his genius scares people and that's why people hate his movies, because muh Rand.
Joseph Cooper
You're completely wrong. You're taking at face value what the character is saying, this in a movie dealing about projection. None of the characters in the movie are being truthful to others and honest with themselves. They're all projecting their own demons unto someone else and demonizing whoever that person is, instead of looking inward and dealing with the real issue.
Lex himself, for example, is essentially doing what his own father did with him. His father named the company on him and presented himself as a great father for the investors and the media, but in reality was an abusive father and a ruthless businessman who used his own son and false image to get further in the industry. Lex grew up then, took the company from his father (it's left up in the air if he killed his father as well), made it bigger than it was, and now presents an image of a approachable and socially conscious businessman who cares about his employees, his consumers, and the world in general, when in truth he's a ruthless businessman as big as his father vying power and control over everyone and everything. He's the same as his father. Even his relationship with Doomsday is mirrored.
Carter Collins
If that was bannable then explain OP's post.
Nathaniel Rodriguez
>fun fact
Zachary Ramirez
>if it wasn't for this movie being good, this shitty movie would have been liked
That's not how it works, bangladesh.
Sebastian Edwards
>because Superman was playing in his field.
But when did that ever happen? They didn't even interact before that.
Hudson Taylor
None of them were masterpieces. BvS was better directed, but had a shittier plot. Civil war was just average and forgettable.
Evil Mark Zuckerberg was bad.
Carter King
You know there's a difference between a fact and an opinion, right?
For example, this is an opinion because it is not backed by any form of evidence or facts beyond you wanting it to be a fact, which does not make it a fact.
James Green
But... BvS came out before Civil War and was fucking panned back then. I'd argue the opposite: Civil War was seen as such a big deal only due to the failure of Batman V Superman more than anything else.
James Ortiz
Why do people think that Zemo planned everything that happened? Are you retarded or something?
Austin Ortiz
...Civil War was released two months after BVS.
Logan Price
>Civil war was just average and forgettable.
user, you god damn retard
Brayden Myers
People really think that? It's retarded. Zemo was obviously winging it from the beginning, his whole plan amounting to "find the video of cap's friend killing Tony's parents, shows it to Tony and watch as this drives a wedge between them".
Juan Powell
The absolute desperation of DCEU fans.
So sad. So pathetic.
Julian Richardson
Oh no! Not JIMMY OLSON!
Jace Ward
Snyder Bros are pretty stupid and nonsensical, so they should just be ignored.
Jacob Hall
Zack Snyder is one of the few good guys left in the movie industry if we're being honest. I always hated how all this comic book shit is such sanitized kiddy shit. Like what if Spider-Man was a pedophile? Now we're looking at something raw, real and provocative. He saves the city but he also abuses children. It has ambiguity.
Hudson Stewart
Imagine still being a Snyder bro in 2019 when the rest of the company and world have moved on.
Lincoln Sullivan
And yet, Lex is right.
Superman is stupidly good and his naivety made it so that he as able to be jerked around the second his women got taken from him. Lex played him like a fiddle.
Jacob Bell
>If not for Civil War, bad movies would be good
Brandon Edwards
Sure, and Shazam will crush Captain Marvel and make a billion
Chase Thompson
>if it wasn't for a movie that came out months after, BvS would have been well received
How the fuck are Synderfags still a thing?
Robert Gutierrez
Well he's not exactly wrong
Without Based Marvel most people wouldn't know what GOOD movies are so garbage like DC might've been better recieved
Cameron Jenkins
I think they're panicking since it finally got through their thick skulls to their tiny brains that WB is getting rid of everything before Shazam except Gadot, Mamoa, and Robbie
Kevin Garcia
Opened thread to post this.
Samuel Miller
No.
Snyder didn't get Superman and his movies are all terrible.
You dipshits have been embarrassing yourselves for years.
Hardly anyone thinks civil War was a masterpiece- it was just a very good "popcorn" flick. Nothing about it changed the game for BVS or anything else.
Isaac Gray
Zemo was a great villain with a great plan. Literally name one (1) thing wrong with him.
Ryan Phillips
I'VE BEEN WAITING TO POST THIS FOR YEARS
Brandon Hill
Elijah Evans
>Literally name one (1) thing wrong with him.
He didn't wear the mask.
Ayden Walker
Adrian Jenkins
Yeah, the mask should've been glued to his face and he should've been looking for the super glue to glue the whole world as revenge, and the Avengers would have to consult Paste-Pot Pete for help. This has actually happened in the comics.
Gavin Powell
>Nah, Civil War still had a shitty villain with a shitty plan
>Step 1: Find whereabouts of Bucky because he probably knows where evidence of the Stark murders are.
>Step 2: Frame him for a high profile attack to get him out of hiding
>Step 3: Get close to Bucky and use the trigger words to make him spill the beans
>Step 4: Travel to the base where the evidence is located
>Step 5: Email it to Stark and watch shit blow up
>Step 6: Oh Stark, Bucky, and Cap followed me here, I'll just show it now
That's literally his entire plan. Straight, simple, and to the point. It's not overly convoluted and stupid like Lex's was.
Daniel Ramirez
>This has actually happened in the comics
Sounds Oscar worthy desu.
Jackson Howard
Even Xanatos would find this complicated
Charles Bennett
zack == GOD
Jeremiah Edwards
Why are Zack Snyder fans crazy? He makes a couple of mediocre movies, and now he's Jesus. Fuck off.
Landon Jackson
underrated
Angel Rodriguez
BvS had most of the same strengths and weaknesses as The Last Jedi.
Critics who hated BvS but loved TLJ are fuckin' hypocrites.
Dylan Roberts
The only minor niggle is that he wasn't more explicit in the fortunate timing of step 6. I wish he'd had a simple line to clarify that, something like "I had one final step to the plan. 20 more minutes and it would be too late, but that doesn't matter any more, because you've just brought me everything I need." (cue tape being played)
Nathaniel Perez
>oh wow, DC actually kills characters unlike marvel!
>it is actually just the name Jimmy olson and it doesn't matter
Josiah Gomez
jolly rancher
Jeremiah Davis
My biggest gripe with Last Jedi were the misguided attempts at comic relief which were obviously put in to appeal to really young kids. But apart from that I liked both TLJ and BvS.
Gabriel Rogers
And the critics biggest problem with BvS was lack of comedy.
I like parts of TLJ and find other parts terrible. BvS is awesome, but also has some terrible parts.
Overall, I think BvS is a superior film.
Julian Bailey
the real beef is that lex wants to BE 'the superman', and the existence of an alien with superman's powers makes a mockery of him and his motivation.
lex's nonsense about gods and demons is how he justifies his egomaniacal desire to prove himself superior to anyone with merit.
lex's motivation is to destroy and supplant the superman.
to destroy superman's will by forcing him to act against his own interests and kill batman.
to destroy superman's image by publicizing superman's murder of a human hero, who has made a turn for the worse but is a longtime vigilante and protector
to destroy superman's body with the kryptonian killing machine (lex adding his own blood is just adding a personal touch)
to supplant the superman by destroying the kryptonian doomsday by being the only living person who has figured out that kryptonite even exists.
it's a wacky convoluted plan but his motivations make sense. lex luthor is a brilliant egomaniac.
Ryder Morgan
Yes, I think I can agree with that.
Brandon Rogers
Someone agreed with a controversial opinion on the internet...
...
I don't know what to do.
Sebastian Gonzalez
>what if Spider-Man was a pedophile?
tbqh, spidey-horror movie could be fuckin kińó
Jason Price
BvS would have been a great movie had Hack's only involvement had been watching the finished movie in a theater with the rest of us. It was so bad God made his daughter kill herself.
Jace Wilson
But this literally isn't true: Luthor's plan had multiple backups.
If Superman kills Batman, he reveals it to the world which makes it hate Superman even more.
If Batman kills Superman, that's the end of that. If Doomsday kills Superman, Luthor assembles the League which he was obviously keeping tabs on to stop Doomsday, which still puts him on top.
The only problem with Luthor's plan was that he didn't expect the two to kiss and make up.
Comparatively, the only way Zemo's plan was going to work is if he read the script.
Caleb Rogers
Except for the fact that the only way he could have gotten Cap and Tony to fight is if Tony was the only one in the room outside of Cap and Bucky.
Email wouldn't work because there'd be even more people holding Tony back.
Seriously, imagine if Rhodey was there. Or Vision. Or Wanda. Or even Ant-Man. If literally any of the people outside of the four people that were there excluding Zemo showed up the fight doesn't happen. Hell, imagine if Tony doesn't even show up. That'd be awkward as hell for Zemo.
Carter Rodriguez
BvS would continue to be a THREE HOUR LONG "Martha??" joke with THREE DREAM SEQUENCES and the social network Lex doing the stupidest shit.
Nicholas Peterson
>masterpiece
Ian Gomez
Civil War had a bunch of stupid plot contrivances
BvS was just stupid
Jaxson Ramirez
That's like saying the shit I took last night is better than the one I did today
Carson Bailey
I am sorry you didn't enjoy it as much as I did.
I hope you enjoyed one of the other DCEU movies more.
Cameron Gray
Austin Edwards
>If Superman kills Batman, he reveals it to the world which makes it hate Superman even more.
Luthor is still fucked.
>Luthor assembles the League
I'm sure Deathstroke would do a great job at stopping Doomsday
Robert Rodriguez
>If Doomsday kills Superman, Luthor assembles the League which he was obviously keeping tabs on to stop Doomsday
Well, that's certainly a first. Amazing that after three years you guys are still making up new bullshit, you put more thought and creativity in defending the movie than anyone involved did in writing it
Camden Wright
He means the Justice League.The Meta-Human Thesis, remember?
Lincoln Taylor
I like how none of that actually contradicted my post. Besides saying the movie is about Snyder's delusions of grandeur is hardly taking it at face value.
Landon Bailey
This isn't new at all. Why do you think Luthor made logos for everyone?
He wanted to assemble the league under his thumb to stop the threat he himself created. That's not a logical leap. That's classic Luthor.
Robert Turner
>Why do you think Luthor made logos for everyone?
Because the sequence was nothing more than a very awkward ad for JL?
Jack Collins
lol
It's been 3 years since that turd of a movie came out and people like the OP can't let go of its failures.
Time to grow up.
>Evil Mark Zuckerberg
How can you tell the difference?
Noah Clark
>They'll release the Snyder Cut any day now
Evan Turner
He movie was deep thou, this single shot is more deep and more meaningfull that the entire mcu combined
Noah Rogers
>enjoying diarrhea
sasuga deeceekek
Jaxon Rivera
Go damn it, Linkara.
Zachary Fisher
>not just making a 2 part version of a live action i know the animated version exists dark knight returns
we could have had capekino, we could have chosen to live
Jonathan Powell
A physical fight isn't necessary for Zemo's plan. All he cared about was tearing the Avengers apart from the inside out. Cap and Tony having some intense drama is enough to break the team apart as was shown earlier in the movie.
Kayden Gutierrez
>BvS had most of the same strengths and weaknesses as The Last Jedi.
No it didn't
Justin Lopez
Lmao
>That shitty CG
Josiah Campbell
If that were true, then public opinion would have changed for the better by now.
Matthew Miller
Yeah, FUCK having a character who Superman can act like a normal person around who's not Lois Lane! He should just be Superman all the time!
Zachary Cox
A much bigger issue is how absurd it is that the tape even exists and was in Hydra's hands. But, it's only a problem if you think too hard about it.
Levi Sullivan
It has thou, I've seen many people defending and appreciating BvS more than before.
Mason Nguyen
Bvs was a masterpiece in the genre. I don't know what kind of imbecile you have to be to both like superheroes / comics and dislike bvs
Grayson Nguyen
We are legion
Eli James
Nope i like his visuals style and concept but when tries doing complex plot it ends up a mess
Isaiah Price
Ooo, that's a good point. Not outrageously impossible, but it's a bit of a contrivance that Bucky/Hydra not only tracked down the tape somehow, but kept it instead of destroying it.
Connor Lee
Bruce needed to be in his prime. Not an old man. I still hate that they went with that idiotic idea.
Cameron Howard
yeah man like what if plastic man was a rapist lol whoa sweet.
Hudson Lopez
In absolute numbers perhaps, but proportionally the love:hate ratio of BvS doesn't seem like it's changed all that much
Henry Brooks
I dislike Civil War but Zemo was actually one of the better parts. He should have gotten more development but that applies to basically every character except Steve, Tony and maybe Wanda
Christian Baker
I went into BvS hype as fuck specifically because I thought they cast Eisenberg so that they could play Lex like Evil zuckerberg, and I was really fucking disappointed because he absolutely wasn't
If they had actually gone complete autistic Zuckerberg with Lex, it would have been dope, but instead they just made him unhinged and constantly thirty seconds away from breaking into maniacal laughter.
The piss jar was pretty funny in terms of how ridiculous it was though, that alone was probably worth the price of admission
Gabriel Lopez
zack = new god
Angel Bailey
That was one of the best ideas. Also he aged like wine. He was in his prime physically and completely wrecked psychologically.
Owen Garcia
That's not classic Luthor, that's Maxwell Lord.
Joshua Parker
pls no bully based plas
Austin Smith
Snyder has a director's cut festival this month.
If they release it anywhere, it'll be there.
John Taylor
Oh, boy, a troll thread. That's original.