>WDC Standings L. Hamilton 296 V. Bottas 231 C. Leclerc 200 M. Verstappen 200 S. Vettel 194
>WCC Standings Mercedes 527 Ferrari 394 Red Bull 289 McLaren 89 Renault 67
>Nico Hülkenberg F1 races without EVER scoring a podium: 171 (173 entries)
>Point difference between Gasly and Albon 27 points
>Hund status: Wir vere forced to use team orders over Buttass to protect wir lucky lead of ze championship
>News: "Team order was necessary" t.oto Penal for Gio almost cunting himself, still P10 KMag fucked over plastic bad on the front wing Ferrari considered VET/LEC swap
You're joking. We all now WEC is gonna be better with new regs.
Jayden Garcia
Leclerc should stop whining, nobody likes people who betray their own team Especially when he's still a rookie and Ferrari is the one who gave him a chance
Noah Diaz
>BoP lolno
Gavin White
Kubica apparently had a shoulder(?) injury. Can the angry Pole confirm?
Angel Barnes
>inb4 they cancel hypercars due to low interest
Blake Flores
can confirm he has arm injury
Robert Ross
>"Team order was necessary" t.oto That's the most no-racing spirit thing I've heard of.
Josiah Gomez
The good arm or the decorative one?
Parker Stewart
>Valkyrie >That seething car It's already more than what they have now
William Long
related to his fucked up nose from thursday press conference I guess he did a webber and crashed on a bicycle.
Evan Reed
fell down the stairs. aka bike accident.
Julian Thompson
yes
Ayden White
>That's the most no-racing spirit thing I've heard of. I wonder if things would change when they get a driver who can match LewLew on pace.
Dylan Murphy
>Charlize LeCry
Adam Green
>Sebastian Vettel undercutting Charles Leclerc with an early pit stop in Singapore was the key to the German securing his first victory in over a year. But although the strategy left Saturday’s polesitter and early race leader Leclerc raging in his car, as he was left to come home second, as Ferrari Team Principal Mattia Binotto explained after the race, the Monegasque was simply a victim of circumstance.
>That particular circumstance arose at the end of Lap 18, when Ferrari spotted Red Bull’s pit crew emerging from their garage, with Max Verstappen duly called in from P4. Unable to call Leclerc into the pits in time even if they’d wanted to, instead Vettel, some four seconds further back, received a late call to pit from third place, before then pounding in a rapid out-lap to emerge with the net lead after Leclerc’s own stop a lap later.
>I wonder if things would change when they get a driver who can match LewLew on pace. No, it was very much the same with Rosberg. But he stopped taking that kind of shit from them quite quickly (after the shameful Malaysia 2013 team order). Which still didn't stop Mercedes from publicly shaming Rosberg and building him up as some bad guy, the same narrative propagated by their golden boy Lewis.
Bottas just didn't learn his lesson like Rosberg did. That's the main difference between them. That, and Rosberg being a better racer.
Sebastian Ward
His fa--- Jule--- Hube--- Oh shit, it's over for him
Lincoln Morales
reminder that when vettee retires, nazi will be the one to cuck lecunt
Bentley Martinez
Bottas is quickly becoming the most cucked driver on history, only losing to Barrichelo now. At least Rubens was cucked by based Schumi instead of Hamilton
Lads what’s the difference between indycar and F1?
Gabriel Wright
He can sacrifice giada, ocon, gasly, fat john, king albert, charlene, his mom, his brothers etc etc. In other words charles lekek wdc 2020
Elijah Taylor
F1 is faster on all non oval tracks
Dominic Rodriguez
no. i'll just continue posting it when weeb stuff is posted.
Jace Morris
>there's gasly and ocon still But how much does he actually like them? There's not many people close to him anymore. His girlfriend ran away, fearing for her life. And he's not on too good terms with Vettel anymore either. (Those two aren't French to begin with, so it's doubtful they would have worked as sacrifices.)
Adrian Gutierrez
n-next year red season. just watch.
Adam Sullivan
Those aren't quads. Those are triple dubs. Learn the difference, it could be a matter of life and deaf.
>it's abu dabhi 2020 >Lec is now Ferrari #1 >him and AMX are fighting over for the title >Lec needs to win to become a champion while AMX just needs a 2nd place. >Final lap, Lec Vet Ver is the order >right before the last corner, Vet spins >Verstappen champion >At the podium, Vet whispers to AMX "this is for Singapore 2019 kid" >LeCuck asks to be released by Ferrari, go to Mercedes >2021 changes >mercedes becomes shit >Ferrari reigns supreme and Vettel is champion, retires at the top >GRAZIE RAGAZZI
What if Charlene is the one who does the sacrifices and orders the murders. Is she a witch? Some say a mysterious woman was visiting Bianchi on that fateful day and tgere areports about a woman yesterday trying to broke into korrea's room to pull the plug.
Isaac Wilson
Can someone double check the math for Haas? I think F1 and wiki forgot to add the fastest lap point to their points Also check ALB v GAS lamo
>Ferrari are now superior in both power and downforce tracks Is Ferrari dominance coming back?
James Ortiz
That race was just Cermedes slipping hard, the only real surprise was that Red Bull was nowhere to be seen
Michael Walker
>Ferrari are now superior They aren't. Hamilton fucked up qualifying and couldn't deal with dirty air, as usual. By all standards, Mercedes should have been ahead both on Saturday and Sunday.
Nolan Turner
>got handed a freebie by accident on shit track
Jackson Hill
2019 could be better but 2011 is fucking terrible
Oliver Stewart
anime sure loves to include european culture and people
Leclerc will turn out to be as much of a cunt as Hamilton and will constantly go on about his dead dad and dead godfather.
Mason Clark
fucking based
Cameron Wright
I mean have you watched post race drivers interviews? LeClerc told that he was driving SLOWER just so midfield cars would catch up in the pack and ruin mercedes undercut. This is not racing, it's shit. It's as gay as some retard winning in the wet race just because of pit stop chaos and safety car fest.
Xavier King
I wish f1 would adopt the great american tradition of forcing drivers to name drop their team's title sponsor in every interview. It's a travesty we never had Gimi say Missionwinnow on the podium.
Levi Cruz
what a happy day MWL get fucked
Aaron Martinez
>If teams use strategy instead of just going flat out at all times like retards it's not a real race F1 is clearly not for you.
Haven't you heard the spinning wheels? His fans are already working on weaving a legend of how Vettel and Ferrari conceived some evil secret strategy before the race to trick le poor clerc into backing the field up and then not racting to Vettels earlier pitstop. There's no way it could have been his own fault, after all!
And Ferrari killed it when their TEAM ORDERS stood in the way of the MORAL VICTOR Lewis Hamilton's victory. SebaSTAIN FAILTEL should be taking his #1 sign and placing it reverenshly in front of Lewis's car. And apologizing.
Jace Kelly
look at his jeans
Nathan Stewart
Stop baiting.
Thomas Diaz
does the Mercedes team order count for #teamlh44 :D
Dylan Taylor
no. there is no BR's here.
Colton Bailey
Bottas knows better than to stand in the way of GREATNESS. History will remember him as one of the many little people that helped Lewis on his way to UNDISPUTED king of F1 history.
Your just mad that SebaSTAIN is sundowning and WHOmacher will fade from the lexicon.
Ian Hernandez
Based :DD
Alexander Lewis
Does Bottas not have an inner circle of people who can talk to him and explain that he's being fucked over by this team over and over? I'd say at this point it's just too late for him anyway, but the guy needs to tell these retards to fuck off. He always gives the PR response of 'oh these are just the team rules we have' but when was the last time Hamilton did this? It's all a load of shit and based Rosberg was able to fight back from this shit.
He's a spineless nice guy™®. Of course he won't protest
Daniel Sanchez
>to whom it may concern >...understandable, have a nice day
Aiden Turner
Ericsson says he's working on returning to Indy full time in 2020
Chase Baker
>you lost?
Brandon Diaz
Sounan desu ka?
Jose Lee
He can just ignore this crap and race but probably don't have balls to challenge Hamilton anyway.
Levi Rodriguez
He's a fucking cuck. I say this as someone that admired him in his junior days and at Williams and had hope for his F1 career but he can eat a bag of dicks as far as I'm concerned - he doesn't have that last 5% bastard that's needed to be a world champion - being fast isn't enough.
>and these days he's not even that fast.
Grayson White
To be fair, it takes a lot to put up a fight against your own team, like Rosberg did. It's no coincidence that he retired after he finally got the title. Bottas is probably afraid of Mercedes dropping him if he starts disobeying, possibly rightly so. Yes, he's a cuck, and he should have realized yesterday that they did go a few steps too far. But maybe he's also realized that he doesn't have a fair chance anyway and is already too far behind this season. No need to risk it in this case.
Wyatt Young
>doesn't lead by T1 >is shook >fucks up the race for his drivers due to being shook Based T1leadbabby Toto
>Sophia gets the Sextuplets >Hamilton (Calvo / Forma JUST) gets the Quints The definitive proof /f1/ owns Yea Forums
Jaxon White
It was easier for Rosberg though in my mind because he actually helped build the team together with Schumi, Brawn and Haug aka the goats. The team then got taken over by the Austrian lanklet and the other Austrian who then brought Hamilton into the team. First pole and first win rightfully went to Bossberg.
Christopher Perez
>Mercedes, Ferrari and Red Bull have all offered to take part in the test, and in conjunction with the FIA Pirelli now must decide which teams will do it, as it had indicated that it might be possible for all three to run. inb4 (((FOR SOME REASON))) only Mercs get the testwith the explanation "oy vey we didn't have enough tyres for three teams" to go with it autosport.com/f1/news/146168/fia-approves-contentious-extra-2020-tyre-test
Nathan Howard
I just wish he would grow some fucking balls and punt Hamilton off when he gets a team order to let the neekeri go. He's too much of a fucking pussy. What a fucking disgrace.
Parker Cruz
Exactly right - it's what he needs to do to win a title, and he won't. It's what Rosberg needed to learn to do - and he did a shitty job of it at first, like at Spa - to show Lewis that he won't cave, and the team that he's serious. We joke, we laugh, we have fun at the Emilia GRANDO'D meme, but if it were true and he knew about it I wouldn't be all that shocked.
It perplexes me how he doesn't even protest. I personally would have said "Are you fucking retarded, 3 sec delta decrease means Albon threatens ME" and then clock in fastest lap. He's such a fucking doormat and it makes me so mad.
Nicholas Phillips
>it makes me so mad.
You and me both - you can't be mad with someone unless at some point you used to expect better of them.
Zachary Gutierrez
That's a bad translation. What it actually reads is: >he wants to focus only on fucking bitches up and down the paddock and capitalising on his status as someone that can walk into most Italian cities and merely point at a nubile lass in order to copulate with her.
Luke Sullivan
Jamie Whincup called off his wedding to his fiancé to get gud at Supercars. Kek
Aaron Long
>dump missus >buy into T8 Seems like a prudent financial decision to me? Imagine having to hand over half your share if it all went south.
people only live once and he lived as much as anybody can can you say the same?
Asher Lee
She should be happy he didn't sacrifice her
John Kelly
These are the winners of the remaining races lads, digits will confirm. Russia - Bot Japan - Ver Mexico - Lec USA - Ham Brazil - Ver Abu Dhabi - Vet
Landon Foster
I'm the first to defend Mercedes when people here talk shit about them but what Leclerc did is just a good strategy to defend both of the Ferraris Why don't you instead complain about Mercedes asking one of their drivers to lose 3 seconds per lap and drive slower than fucking Giovinazzi in order to favour the one that will be the WDC at the end of the year anyway?
Every piece ofshhittalk Mercedes gets is completely justified (and usually right) and you look like an assmad redditor every time you defend Merc with Merc's own PR bullshit
Levi Smith
>he lived as much as anybody can I've seen people live at least twice as much as him.
>corrupt F1 with cheating >FIAMG covers for your ass and scrutinizes competutors more harshly >Pilelli makes tyres for you >/f1/ sees through the bullshit >one mad redditor copies Merc and FIAMG PR to defend ze honour of ze poor, puny, bullied Mercedes, der true Unterhunder
Eli Ortiz
Maybe toto chewed the shit out of bettas when contract was being made like "siehst valtteri, du war Scheiße zis season, if du spielst die Team Spiele du will drive for uns next Jahr, ok? Otherwise du bist out". I bet some clause like that exists
Evan Williams
>>corrupt F1 with cheating >>FIAMG covers for your ass and scrutinizes competutors more harshly Source? >>Pilelli makes tyres for you More like teams don't give them the means to exploit the tyres Remember that they all approved the change to the thinner tyres last year and that they had the choice to come back to the old tyres this year, yet they still chose to use the new ones >>/f1/ sees through the bullshit No, you don't see through the bullshit. You're simply just a butthurt moron who gets mad that the only team really that gives itself the means to win the championships actually wins them, and that Hamilton is part of it. >>one mad redditor copies Merc and FIAMG PR to defend ze honour of ze poor, puny, bullied Mercedes, der true Unterhunder I never said that they were the underdogs for the season, It's obvious that they are the favourites for both titles
Gavin Scott
Do you people have brain damage or something? I'm not defending any team. All I'm saying is that this track so fucking bad why it's still a thing? It's not promoting racing at all, it literally forces you to slow down. Instead of racing each other and pushing cars to a limit it's nothing but team orders, cheap strategies, crashgates and 0 overtakes. Fuck Monaco and fuck Singapore.
>0 overtakes Have you ever considered that that might be more the car designs' fault than the tracks'? Why do you think they introduced that artificial DRS shit? Not because the tracks suddenly got shittier, I can tell you that much.
Ayden Reed
Seems that she has not found out why Leclerc's dick started to taste...uh...different.
Brayden Smith
>Do you people have brain damage or something? I'm not defending any team. I never said that you were defending any team >All I'm saying is that this track so fucking bad why it's still a thing? Money. >It's not promoting racing at all, it literally forces you to slow down. Instead of racing each other and pushing cars to a limit it's nothing but team orders, cheap strategies, crashgates and 0 overtakes. Fuck Monaco and fuck Singapore. I do agree with this, I personally want Monaco and Singapore to be removed but as long as they're being used it's normal if the team use these strategies in order to have the best result on these tracks There's been quite a few overtakes this year to be honest
Wyatt Nguyen
>Source what is extra sensors for Ferrari engine after Merc cried what is oil burning ban that incidentally didn't affect Merc's Spa engine update in 2017 what is Hamilton cutting pitlane entry in Hockenheim 2018 what is Buttass false start in 2017 what is Hamilton block on Sirotkin in 2018
James Carter
Don't forget the stewards' double standards when it comes to Hailton and Mercedes. And of course Bottas' qualifying lap last week.
Nathan Wilson
t. Hermann Tilke
Nathaniel Perez
forgot about Buttass' illegal lap under red flag also FIAMG never looked into Merc's rear wheel steering nor into incidente front suspensions they also ruled Merc's illegal wheel rims legal even though they are a movable aero device.
James Roberts
You can't really overtake in 90 degree turns that surrounded by walls, there is just 1 line through it. Doesn't matter what car, there is no space to go side by side. Basically curves are good, squares are bad, no walls = good track.
Hunter Turner
Street circuits have been a thing for a century in racing. Get used to them, you only have monaco, baku and Singapore in the race calendar.
Jose Sanchez
Oy vey Merc's red flag lap stands because teams were notified only after he completed the lap (disregard the fact that Buttass was speeding under red flag conditions all the same)
We fixed the bug now though don't worry guys :^)
Sebastian Jenkins
>what is extra sensors for Ferrari engine after Merc cried What is Ferrari's double battery design >what is oil burning ban that incidentally didn't affect Merc's Spa engine update in 2017 Teams had a gentleman's agreement not to use new engines from the current regulations since they allowed for oil burning Mercedes then and changed their minds just before the regulations applied They were cunts on this point, yes but what they did was legal >what is Hamilton cutting pitlane entry in Hockenheim 2018 There was no penalty applied for cutting the pit entry from inside to outside at the time, unlike outside to inside >what is Buttass false start in 2017 Not detected by the sensor as he didn't move enough to be in detection range Same benefit of doubt was applied to Vettel's Q3 lap in Monza 2019 >what is Hamilton block on Sirotkin in 2018 Hamilton should have been penalized, this was a dick move
Isaac Lopez
test
Oliver Turner
Why do stewards keep bullying /ourqueen/ Sophia?
Leo Hughes
Jealousy.
Juan Fisher
Biz idea: A group of us become stewards for lower formula racing to a) help Sophia b) troll Dickbum c) exploit upcoming female racers for lewd reasons
Zachary Russell
+Melbourne and sort of Canada.
Aiden Peterson
You're assuming very hard that I'm not Michael Masi
Blake Robinson
I like this idea
Grayson Lee
The real question is whether hearing "Valtteri, it's James." Causes him to strain against his belts.
Also let's be realistic. Emilia at most has giggled at and stroked Grando's erection, most likely as a bet. But the possibility that she has slept with her trainer, stable hand or someone at an event (especially the foreign ones)? Well within the realms of possibility.
Eli Bennett
>Bottas lap this but unironically There was 0.2 seconds between the track and the team red flag and bottas crossed the line in this time You can't be penalized for speeding 0.2 seconds after the red flag otherwise every single car would be insta penalized each time the red flag is out >they also ruled Merc's illegal wheel rims legal even though they are a movable aero device. They are as much as a movable aero device as the other rims Either they are legal, or either you just ban all rims, which is completely stupid >FIAMG never looked into Merc's rear wheel steering How did FIA let pass rear wheel steering? I'm sure that this is explicitly forbidden and that no team at all uses it It would be too obvious >nor into incidente front suspensions Are incidente front suspensions illegal?
Owen Ross
This race made me realize what a truly lost cause buttass is
Logan Roberts
>mercedes rear rims On top of that the regulations on rims haven't changed since 2018 and McLaren also uses them, yet you don't complain about it
Brandon Bailey
>implying mercedes could lose the wdc and wcc I hate this narrative
>The team then got taken over by the Austrian lanklet Hearty fucking kek but >and the other Austrian who then brought Hamilton into the team Toto is a faggot of the largest order, but I won't sit here and watch Niki get slandered on /f1/ show some respect, he isn't Dr Helmut Queefo
Liam Brown
>It would be too obvious Not if people like you defend that shit so vehemently. Congrats, you're doing exactly what they hope people will do: Make up impossible justifications for them, so they don't even have to come up with them themselves. Of course, they did come up with the Bottas qualifying-lap excuse. But you bought that one as well.
James James
>Vesti and Fitti suddenly get mysterious “power spikes” or are found running wings 0.00000001mm too wide every single race Naughty Prema, we can’t have that in our sport...
All tracks should be more than double their current length and pitstops should have a mandatory 30 second stop
Jeremiah Garcia
>timing systems always seem to go down when Sophia is qualifying so we have to time her laps manually >she goes on a miraculos streak of pole positions
Jayden Powell
Let me correct that for you Russia - Vet Japan - Vet Mexico - Vet USA - Vet Abu Dhabi - Vet
digits confirm this is the starting point of a glorious five year VWL era
Russia - HAM Japan - VER Mexico - VER USA - VER Brazil - VER Abu Dhabi - HAM
Caleb Torres
>Not if people like you defend that shit so vehemently. Congrats, you're doing exactly what they hope people will do: Make up impossible justifications for them, so they don't even have to come up with them themselves. Give me a proof that they actually used rear steering and that it was illegal then >Of course, they did come up with the Bottas qualifying-lap excuse. But you bought that one as well. The regulations state that the moment laps aren't counted is when teams arebmade aware of the red flag, and not when it's shown on the track This was decided way before the season started, likely years ago actually, so FIA didn't modify them on order to help Bottas.
Levi Turner
Nah, just introduce a mandatory 2nd pit stop and increase the pit lane limit to 120kmh
Ayden Reed
ahhhhh yes buttass doesn't have to obey A CLEAR FUCKING RED FLAG INDICATOR ON HIS STEERING WHEEL if merc doesn't know about it
Chase Miller
>94 Vettel gets a penalty in Russia and Vehrlein replaces him for the rest of the season plus the five following years Yep, VWL indeed
Jaxson Edwards
>mid september 2019 >I am forgotten Can someone tell me why lecuck is less sportsman like than hamilton? Even Lewis congratulated vettel after the race, but he just stayed quiet....
>ahhhhh yes buttass doesn't have to obey A CLEAR FUCKING RED FLAG INDICATOR ON HIS STEERING WHEEL if merc doesn't know about it Like I said before There was 0.2 seconds between the track and the team red flag and bottas crossed the line in this time You can't be penalized for speeding 0.2 seconds after the red flag otherwise every single car would be insta penalized each time the red flag is out
Josiah Howard
>Give me a proof If there was a 100% judicially releavant proof that we, as the public, have access to, FIA and Mercedes wouldn't have gotten away with it.
>The regulations state that the moment laps aren't counted is when teams arebmade aware of the red flag No, they don't state that. Red flags are in effect when red flags are show. Just like the race ends when the checkered flag is shown (or that LED signal nowadays), not when "teams are made aware of" the race having ended. That's the very reason there are flags on track.
Josiah Parker
I don't like mercedes and it's very conflicting because I like Valtteri
Angel Martin
You don't get it, do you? No one wants to penalize him for cheating. People argue that he set the last part of his lap under red flags, which invalidates it per default. That's actually in the rulebook.
Bentley Flores
>I don't like mercedes and it's very conflicting because I like Valtteri Why? Mercedes hate Bottas, so you should feel justified in not liking Mercedes!
Alexander Lewis
>september 2019 >just a few weeks shy of the age of 22 >I've run out of things to sacrifice
I do like Ferrari and that's conflicting too because I don't like vettee as a racing driver
Julian King
god how thick are you fucking retarded PR machine BUTTASS' STEERING WHEEL HAD RED FLAG LED LIT UP FROM PARABOLICA TO TIMING LINE YET HE WAS BLASTING FULLSPEED does this mean they can speed under red flag if the team "doesn't know"? what about SC? can I speed under SC if team doesn't know even though my steering wheels tells me to slow down?
go shill somewhere else
Jeremiah Garcia
>To keep people from getting suspicious we investigate Sophia every couple of races >Always for underwear infringement (a genuine penalty) >Make her strip down on the stewards room to check she is wearing the right underwear >Keep some for "further analysis"
Ian Perez
every time valt does well, it means merc have done well too. It is not possible to fully enjoy his successes presently.
Leo Carter
I volunteer to observe her mandatory piss test after every session
Thomas Mitchell
in your mouth?
Josiah Green
Found the dumb Fin that will get us busted, don't get greedy.
Anthony Williams
>If there was a 100% judicially releavant proof that we, as the public, have access to, FIA and Mercedes wouldn't have gotten away with it. So you want to penalize a team without any grounds at all? Do you know what presumption of innocence means? Every team would have been complaining if Mercedes actually had something as big as rear steering on their cars Their system did registere the lap before the red flag was officially activated and that's why it was counted motorsport.com/f1/news/bottas-lap-qualifying-red-flag/4534561/ >(Unlike you, ) Motorsport.com understands the reason Bottas's laptime was counted is because of how a session being suspended under a red flag is classified. >Although the red light was triggered on the marshal post before Bottas's lap ends, the red flag was registered by the official timing system fractionally later. >This is because of a tiny delay between the order being given for red flags and lights to be shown at all marshal posts, and the FIA's official messaging system being updated. It is the moment the "red flag" message appears on the official messaging system that counts as the suspension of the session. >Bottas's time is therefore valid as he crossed the line before the session was officially suspended.
Levi Watson
>Their system did registere the lap before the red flag was officially activated and that's why it was counted it's actually opposite of that on screen timing system didn't even show his laptime initially they added his laptime data later find the replays and see for yourself
Chase Jones
He still has ghastly, ocunt and his whole family + the whole france to sacrifice
Dominic Ramirez
Do you people have brain damage or something? I'm not defending any team. All I'm saying is that this track so fucking bad why it's still a thing? It's not promoting racing at all, it literally forces you to slow down. Instead of racing each other and pushing cars to a limit it's nothing but team orders, cheap strategies, crashgates and 0 overtakes. Fuck Monaco and fuck Singapore Fuck Sochi
Eli Adams
No, this is what happened >track red flag >screen timing stops updating >bottas crosses the line >lap gets counted in the system >lap not shown on tv timing as it stopped updating >official red flag
Jaxon Price
actually I don't think anybody likes ocon just because they raced together as kids and they appeared together at that fashion show they aren't amis they know he'll rat anyone out I'd tap elena tho
Robert Williams
>>track red flag >>screen timing stops updating >>bottas crosses the line Yes. Therefore, Bottas' lap was invalid. It's that easy: Red flag, session stopped.
>official red flag Ah, so there are two red flags? An official one and one that's purely for decoration, to make the track look prettier?
Tyler Gray
Ocons biggest achievement in his career is knocking VER out of a 100% sure race win
Christopher Thompson
Is there a more based driver than current STR Gasley?
>motorsport.com/f1/news/bottas-lap-qualifying-red-flag/4534561/ >>(Unlike you,) Motorsport.com understands the reason Bottas's laptime was counted is because of how a session being suspended under a red flag is classified. >>Although the red light was triggered on the marshal post before Bottas's lap ends, the red flag was registered by the official timing system fractionally later. >>This is because of a tiny delay between the order being given for red flags and lights to be shown at all marshal posts, and the FIA's official messaging system being updated. It is the moment the "red flag" message appears on the official messaging system that counts as the suspension of the session. >>Bottas's time is therefore valid as he crossed the line before the session was officially suspended.
Leo Martin
The man who has turned to shit the past 3 races?
Robert Baker
>Russia BOT >Japan HAM >Mexico VET >USA HAM >Brazil Ham >Abu Dhabi VET
Ethan Cox
??? motorsport.com/f1/news/bottas-lap-qualifying-red-flag/4534561/ >>(Unlike you,) Motorsport.com understands the reason Bottas's laptime was counted is because of how a session being suspended under a red flag is classified. >>Although the red light was triggered on the marshal post before Bottas's lap ends, the red flag was registered by the official timing system fractionally later. >>This is because of a tiny delay between the order being given for red flags and lights to be shown at all marshal posts, and the FIA's official messaging system being updated. It is the moment the "red flag" message appears on the official messaging system that counts as the suspension of the session. >>Bottas's time is therefore valid as he crossed the line before the session was officially suspended.
Kayden Wright
Ferrari had to sacrifice someone
Lucas Baker
I didn't ask you what motorsport.com says. I want you to explain what the first red flag was for, if not to stop the session. You may use the official rule book. You may not use some journalists pathetic attemts of justifying some stupid FIA verdict.
Xavier Morgan
>Resta comes back >Suddenly Ferrari is better
Owen Reyes
After his better results and now his matador antics with TC, it’s Gio
The track red flag/light is not the one that deactivates the lap counting system. It only stops the live timing from being updated with the lap counting system BUT the lap counting system is only stopped when the session officially supended when the red flag appears on the official messaging system Not my fault if you aren't able to understand this
Kayden Perez
>It only stops the live timing from being updated with the lap counting system Why would it do that when it doesn't stop the session. You're not making any sense here. Again: What is the oifficial function of the first red flag if not to stop the session? Please cite the rule book on this. Why is there a red flag on track that is not officially a red flag? And again: Use the damn rule book to explain why that red flag is not a red flag. Anything else cannot possibly count as an official rule.
Juan Thompson
>you can blast fullspeed under red flag conditions shown to you by flag indicator on your steering wheel past a dangerous incident with marshals on track because official timing system isn't off yet kek
Xavier Reyes
based calvoposter
Matthew Sullivan
>you can stop your car 0.2 seconds after seeing the red flag
Asher Butler
Here, retard, I looked up the current regulations. The following are all the rules related to red flags:
>31.6 >Should it become necessary to stop any practice session because the circuit is blocked by an accident or because weather or other conditions make it dangerous to continue, the clerk of the course will order red flags to be shown at all marshal posts and the abort lights to be shown at the Line. >When the signal is given to stop all cars must immediately reduce speed and proceed slowly back to the pit lane. In order to ensure that drivers reduce speed sufficiently, from the time at which the “RED FLAG” message appears on the official messaging system until the time that each car crosses the first safety car line when entering the pit lane, drivers must stay above the minimum time set by the FIA ECU at least once in each marshalling sector (a marshalling sector is defined as the section of track between each of the FIA light panels). >All cars abandoned on the track will be removed to a safe place. >At the end of each practice session no driver may cross the Line more than once.
Notice how it doesn't say: >95679802 >The track red flag/light is not the one that deactivates the lap counting system.
Also notice that the "RED FLAG" message was shown to Bottas the same time the red flag was shown to everyone else.
Connor Brown
>from the time at which the “RED FLAG” message appears on the official messaging system The red flag message wasn't shown on the official messaging system before he crossed the line so his lap is valid
Jacob Davis
Give it a rest, you autists
Dominic Gray
The Cube is talking to Haas about a test driver position
Logan Martinez
>Lecuck: *visibly seething* >Vettel: "You lost?"
I think losing makes a driver more likable/mature. Modern Ferrari Seb is so based.
>The red flag message wasn't shown on the official messaging system before he crossed the line so his lap is valid Did you actually read the rules? It says: >Should it become necessary to stop any practice session [...] the clerk of the course will order red flags to be shown at all marshal posts and the abort lights to be shown at the Line. In other words: For the session to be suspended, red flags will be shown at marshal posts and the line. That's what signals the session being aborted.
>In order to ensure that drivers reduce speed sufficiently, from the time at which the “RED FLAG” message appears on the official messaging system until the time that each car crosses the first safety car line [...] drivers must stay above the minimum time set by the FIA ECU In other words: The "RED FLAG" message signals when drivers have to slow down, but not when the session ends.
And, again: Event that "RED FLAG" message was shown to Bottas before he had finished his lap. The FIA excuse is about the teams not having been informed.
No matter what way you twist it: The session was officially stopped when Bottas crossed the line, therefore, his lap was invalid.
He also drove off the track on purpose in quali at Monza and got away with it.
And some still think he "deserves" a seat for 2020.
Aaron King
>Did you actually read the rules? It says: >>Should it become necessary to stop any practice session [...] the clerk of the course will order red flags to be shown at all marshal posts and the abort lights to be shown at the Line. >In other words: For the session to be suspended, red flags will be shown at marshal posts and the line. That's what signals the session being aborted. Wrong, at this time the session isn't officially aborted as the RED FLAG message isn't shown on the official messaging system. This is the first red light.
Bottas crosses the line here, and gets his lap counted.
>>In order to ensure that drivers reduce speed sufficiently, from the time at which the “RED FLAG” message appears on the official messaging system until the time that each car crosses the first safety car line [...] drivers must stay above the minimum time set by the FIA ECU The session is only officially stopped after the when the RED FLAG message is officially shown on the official messaging system, and this happened just after Bottas got his lap counted.
>the session isn't officially aborted as the RED FLAG message isn't shown on the official messaging system. Are you this retarded or are you baiting? READ THE GODDAMN RULES. Nowhere does it say that the message ends the session. It does however say, that to end the session, the marshal posts have to wave red flags and the abort lights AT THE LINE (not the messaging system) have to light up. That happened way before Bottas finished his lap.
>The session is only officially stopped after the when the RED FLAG message is officially shown on the official messaging system Where the hell are you getting that bullshit from? The part you cited does not say anything about it stopping the session. NOT ONE SINGLE WORD.
At least admit when you are clearly in the wrong. If we followed your retarded "interpretation" of the rules, the red flags on track and the abort lights would have NO FUNCTION whatsoever. Do you get that? You claim that they are entirely meaningless and just shown for show.
And you keep ignoring the actual rules. Point to the exact line that says that the "RED FLAG" message stops the session. Now. Or shut up, Mercedes shill.
Come on now, why would I pretend to be an illiterate French Mercedes fanboy?
Liam Richardson
>Are you this retarded or are you baiting? READ THE GODDAMN RULES. Nowhere does it say that the message ends the session. It does however say, that to end the session, the marshal posts have to wave red flags and the abort lights AT THE LINE (not the messaging system) have to light up. That happened way before Bottas finished his lap. And nowhere is stated that the time that the red flags and abort lights are shown is the time where the session stops as well The rules only say that the red flags and abort lights will be shown when a session will be aborted, but they don't indicate that the session was aborted exactly the time they are shown
>Where the hell are you getting that bullshit from? The part you cited does not say anything about it stopping the session. NOT ONE SINGLE WORD. Again nothing says that the session actually is interrupted the time red flags and abort lights are shown
>If we followed your retarded "interpretation" of the rules, the red flags on track and the abort lights would have NO FUNCTION whatsoever. Do you get that? You claim that they are entirely meaningless and just shown for show. They would have a function : inform the drivers that the session is going to be, or is interrupted
>And you keep ignoring the actual rules. Point to the exact line that says that the "RED FLAG" message stops the session. Now. Or shut up, Mercedes shill. And you keep ignoring the actual rules. Point to the exact line that says that the fact that the red flag and abort lights are shown stops the session. Now. Or shut up.
Tyler Bell
For me, it's F1.5 >Healthy gird, 14 cars vs. F1's 6 >Unpredictable, you never know what's going to happen and anyone bar Williams can win >Real racing, drivers will literally fight to the last corner >No team orders, both drivers will get equal support >Brilliant wheel-to-wheel action, no need to settle for position or avoid contact because muh WDC >There are only two or three drivers who should not be there, compared to F1 where half of the grid is completely useless >WCC actually means something unlike in F1 where teams get money based on some shady contracts and actual championship positions mean very little. (Not like any of those three teams cares about WCC)
Ethan James
>Leclerc arrives in Russia GP and looks at metro map
>Russian fan recognizes him and ask in broken English.... "You lost?"
>Leclerc mind snaps
Joseph Myers
Not to mention, Bottas was flying through the parabolica despite the yellow flags. How else would he have set a time fast enough to be 3rd if he wasn't?
Gavin Gutierrez
Didn't this same situation happen this weekend with Kubica in quali? On track he started his lap before the lights went red but the timing screen said he missed it by 0.2s as there is a delay between them.
The on track lights are mostly for show.
Blake Flores
Doesn't count if team doesn't know even though Buttass knew he was in double yellow/red flag conditions thanks to his onboard FIA flag system :^)
Kevin Howard
He was on a fastest lap even with the yellow flag only actually slowed when he saw the car off the track
>And nowhere is stated that the time that the red flags and abort lights are shown is the time where the session stops as well Yes, it is. The rule has multiple paragraphs/lines: 1) How officials suspend a session and what has to be done. 2) How drivers are supposed to behave. 3) How to remove cars that are abandoned from the track. 4) How to remove all other cars.
Paragraph 1 does clearly mention what has to happen when the clerk of the course decides to stop the session: Red flags and abort lights. That's what signals it. That paragraph clearly states that this HAS to be ordered to suspend the session. No doubt about that.
>but they don't indicate that the session was aborted exactly the time they are shown If you go that route, NOTHING in the rules ever shows the exact time a session is aborted. You know what that means? That means that EVERY SINGLE DRIVER can finish his lap (albeit slowly) and register a time. Do you really want to argue that? Because in that case, multiple drivers were robbed of their times on that day and many others!
>Point to the exact line that says that the fact that the red flag and abort lights are shown stops the session. Again: The very first line of the rule.
Parker Lewis
You lost???
Jace Sanchez
What do I do between races? Wank? Cry?
Watch the past formula E season?
Oliver Allen
el guatemalTECO señores...
Logan Ramirez
Lmao this mental gymnastic to justify FIAMG, truly a cuck behavior
can someone explain to me why Bottas is completely fine being the biggest cuck of F1 history? Does he like not get it maybe? Should someone try to tell him how it looks on the outside?
Russia- KUB Japan- KUB MEXICO- KUB USA- KUB Brazil- KUB Abu Dhabi- RAI
Carson Hughes
He gets off on it.
Camden Hughes
Anybody got webm where Vettel said you lost?
Alexander Kelly
Just wait
Isaiah White
>Yes, it is. >The rule has multiple paragraphs/lines: >1) How officials suspend a session and what has to be done. >Should it become necessary to stop any practice session because the circuit is blocked by an accident or because weather or other conditions make it dangerous to continue, the clerk of the course will order red flags to be shown at all marshal posts and the abort lights to be shown at the Line. Still doesn't say that the session is interrupted when lights are shown. >2) How drivers are supposed to behave. Still doesn't say that the session is interrupted when lights are shown
>Paragraph 1 does clearly mention what has to happen when the clerk of the course decides to stop the session: Red flags and abort lights. >That's what signals it. That paragraph clearly states that this HAS to be ordered to suspend the session. No doubt about that. This needs to be done in before suspending the session but it still doesn't mean that the session is interrupted when lights are shown
>If you go that route, NOTHING in the rules ever shows the exact time a session is aborted. You know what that means? That means that EVERY SINGLE DRIVER can finish his lap (albeit slowly) and register a time. Your lap is valid when it's counted before the counting system is disabled, yes Do you really want to argue that? Because in that case, multiple drivers were robbed of their times on that day and many others! They weren't robbed of their times because they rejoined the pits before or only crossed the line after the lap counting system was disabled
>Again: The very first line of the rule. Still doesn't say that the session is interrupted when lights are shown
Juan Price
Stroll clean sweep
Nolan Sullivan
and Russia
Dominic Sanders
can't believe they haven't banned eau rouge yet...... how many have to die until they do.....
Nathan Martinez
You have 3 very good overtaking spots in Russia though, and the walls don't go the full circuit
Christopher Phillips
>almost all corners are similar >long straight
Ferrari Wins LOL to continue in Russia
Thomas Nguyen
>crash at 45 km/h >car almost becomes dust except for monocoque
>”Ah, sorry guys, I tried but Albon was all over me, he was forcing me to drive faster.” Isn’t this all he needed to do?
Dominic Wood
But won
Caleb Nelson
Yes but he does not have the mental ortitude to keep the lie up and/or he lacks cunning and fast thinking skills
Elijah Jenkins
WHEN WILL FIA BAN **FAUX ROUGE** >muh iconiscalsim >muh heritage >MUH FUCKING DRIVER KILLER
There is no room in sport for corners like this that consistently KILL people for the bloodylust satisfaction of others. PARABOLICA IS ON THE LIST TOO. You are all jsut lucky that PERONI SURVIVED.
WE CAN RID THE SPORT OF THESE MASOCHISTIC IDOLS TO MASCULINITY AND MALICE.
If SPA and MONZA don't want to change, then THE CALENDAR CAN.
he could just not drive into the wall and there would be no problem
Daniel Morgan
>masa king Masta kink wtf
Dylan Price
Emilia gets her bull to call Valtteri during their sessions and say "Valtteri it's James. I'm cumming in your wife".
You cannot convince me otherwise.
Jaxon Bell
>Still doesn't say that the session is interrupted when lights are shown. So, tell me, retard, when IS the session interrupted. You basically went from "when the message is shown" to "never".
>Your lap is valid when it's counted before the counting system is disabled, yes Then Bottas' wasn't. Because his lap wasn't counted by the system at first. Did you miss that?
>They weren't robbed of their times because they [...] only crossed the line after the lap counting system was disabled And how does the system get disabled? The rules don't allow the system ever getting disabled, user. Per the rules, it doesn't make a difference whether you cross the line 0.01s after the flags are shown or 20.00s after the flags are shown. Either both of them are invalid, or, by your special reading of the rules, both have to be valid, as nothing ever stops the session.
Jace Ward
Did buttass overtake leckek in Monza?
Josiah Scott
go back doing blackface, Trudeau
Chase Morales
Bottas is just embarassing, I wish he could see himself with the eyes of the others
Camden Morales
As is often the case, weakness creates contempt for the man, not sympathy.
Anthony Morales
Ultimately Buttass is the architect of his own misery.
>all my formula autism prediticions were wrong or at best """"nearly"""" correct >still made up three places, now I'm in the top five Did this result just throw everyone or are we all retarded? Or both?
Carson Evans
speaking of architects... emilia is getting pretty fat
>So, tell me, retard, when IS the session interrupted. You basically went from "when the message is shown" to "never". You proved me that no one of us know exactly when the session is interrupted as the rules don't say anything about it What is sure is that the session may not be interrupted at the time the lights are shown
>Then Bottas' wasn't. Because his lap wasn't counted by the system at first. Did you miss that? His lap was counted by the system but is wasn't displayed on live timing as the track red flag was out How else could they have mesured his lap
>And how does the system get disabled? The rules don't allow the system ever getting disabled, user. Per the rules, it doesn't make a difference whether you cross the line 0.01s after the flags are shown or 20.00s after the flags are shown. Exactly, and that's because the time flags are shown is not the time that matter Only the time where the session is officially interrupted matters and the session may not be already disabled when the flags are shown
>Either both of them are invalid, or, by your special reading of the rules, both have to be valid, as nothing ever stops the session. If the session is stopped 0.1s after the flags, the lap counted 0.01 after the flags is valid, but not the one after 20.00s The session may not be stopped exactly at the time where flags are shown, I never said that the session continues forever at all, you just pulled this out of your head
>What is sure is that the session may not be interrupted at the time the lights are shown Why the hell are you so sure about that? The sensible interpretation on the rule is that the session is interupted when the "clerk of the course" decides so and makes his decision public. Which he does by the exact things you claim "sure might not interrupt" the session.
>Only the time where the session is officially interrupted matters And you claim that such a time does not exist or at least is not determined by the rules. That cannot sensibly be. We can't just say that the session is never interrupted.
>If the session is stopped 0.1s after the flags, the lap counted 0.01 after the flags is valid, but not the one after 20.00s Who the hell would stop the session AFTER the flags are shown? Who makes that decision?
>I never said that the session continues forever at all Okay: Your whole argument is that neither the flags nor the abort lights (why are they even named that way?) have an official function, and that the session just arbitrarily stops some time after the flags are shown by some mysterious procedure not determined by the rules. Do I understand that correctly?
Kimi is truly living the dream. Show literally no emotion, get paid shit tons and have a wife who does 95% percent of the public work. Quite jealous tbqhfam.
Owen Wright
Also does F1 just to placate his autismal desires to do vroomvroom :D
William Powell
>get asked if he likes rally more than f1 >no, f1 is faster based vroomer boomer
Jackson Thompson
sophia got septs, m8 not exactly the first time this strat was used in singabore. there's a reason it's called singabore. and also applies and is the reason why current f1 kinda sucks outside of MWL. divebombs are nice and dandy, but not when they're almost the only way of overtaking because cars can't drive for shit in dirty air.
STOOPID, STOOPID, STOOPID!
when was that?
>Leclerc mind snaps Falling Down 2.0 - Monegasque Boogaloo
Nothing to worry about, she's in stable-condition. (Yes, I am going to beat that horse to death.) ((Not really.))
First time a camera's showing her not wearing a crocheted bikini.
>Kimi is truly living the dream. really is, simple as.
oh, right. I'm so bad at remembering past races. inb4 alzheimers
Angel Hill
>Why the hell are you so sure about that? The sensible interpretation on the rule is that the session is interupted when the "clerk of the course" decides so and makes his decision public. Which he does by the exact things you claim "sure might not interrupt" the session. Why was Bottas' lao validated if that isn't the case If the session was actually stopped before he crossed the line, his lap wouldn't have been counted
>And you claim that such a time does not exist or at least is not determined by the rules. That cannot sensibly be. No I just claim that the rules don't determine that the session is interrupted exactly when the red lights are shown
>We can't just say that the session is never interrupted. I never said that the session is never interrupted, you pulled this out of your head
>Who the hell would stop the session AFTER the flags are shown? Who makes that decision? It's not a decision, it's just the latency of the system First the red flags are shown, next the session is interrupted
>Okay: Your whole argument is that neither the flags nor the abort lights (why are they even named that way?) have an official function, and that the session just arbitrarily stops some time after the flags are shown Yes, because of the latency of the official messaging system
>by some mysterious procedure not determined by the rules. Do I understand that correctly? No, because of the latency of the official messaging system
Nicholas Ramirez
Fertile seed to a drunk, dirndl wearing Sophia in the toilets of Munich oktoberfest
Adam Cruz
based
John Adams
Not a Cyril fan, but this is a pretty good interview. >For instance, we were the first team to stream live timing data on the internet. That was me. We were the first team to have an online store - and that was me. Those two things are obvious today, but back in 2002 or '03 I can tell you it wasn't something that was obvious... >Mercedes at the time was diversifying, picking up additional work, researching technology that would one day become relevant in F1, and lobbying for regulation with what would be compatible with that work. Very smart, very clever. What we see today is the result of decisions Mercedes made in 2007 >We set out to spend 15% less than Mercedes, but that was 2015 Mercedes. If you look at what they're spending now we're more like 30-40% down. That is what's been underestimated. Time: we said five years starting in 2015, and it's an easy excuse, but we weren't assuming the decision would be made in December 2015. In summer we could have built a new car for 2016 and that didn't happen. We had to use an old car >So I think it's not stupid to say it's become a six-year plan, and that puts you into 2021 to be able to fight for championships. I continue to stand by that roadmap, but I have to accept the intermediate milestones were tougher than I was expecting
>Why was Bottas' lao validated if that isn't the case Yes, indeed, that is the question: Why the hell was Bottas' lap validated despite being visibly set under reds. The reason FIA gave was idiotic, because they stated that not the flags, or the lights or even the message Bottas received mattered, but the moment the Mercedes pitwall was informed. Which completely happened behind the scenes without anyone being able to verify whether things happened as FIA and Mercedes claimed. Additionally, that procedure can be found NOWHERE in the rules, and is therefore absolutely arbitrary, as apparently, no one had ever head of it before what happened with Bottas. You see, that's exactly why this was such a big deal.
>I never said that the session is never interrupted You were unable to provide any point or procedure by which the session would be stopped in your interpretation of the rules. That is equivalent with the session not ever being stopped.
>First the red flags are shown, next the session is interrupted Interrupted HOW exactly? By what mechanism? And what gives that exact mechanism the authority?
>because of the latency of the official messaging system I know I repeat myself, but: The messaging to Bottas' car was not the problem. Apparently that lacency only applies for messages to the Mercedes pitwall, and it's apparently only that message that accounts for anything.
Kevin Wilson
DEAR GOD JUST STOP FUCKING ARGUING ALREADY YOU FUCKING RETARD, CLOSE Yea Forums, CALM THE FUCK DOWN AND BOOK AN AUTISM SPECTRUM SPECIALIST APPOINTMENT
you ppl are such retards >season is slowly ending >ham and bot comfy lead, merc megacomfy lead >eat the shit up like dogs about MUH RACING
if merc does 4-5 for the rest of the season theyve won, no need to take risks, no nothing, the season is over
Oliver Wright
speaking of timing and latency, can anyone explain williams telling cube that he missed starting his flying lap before q1 ended by 0.2s? this is cube with his front axle on s/f line
this is the last frame when lights are green. as you can see he's halfway through a grid spot. keep in mind transponders are placed more or less where driver is sitting
>season is slowly ending last race is in december m8 and of course the season will be utter and complete HWL/MWL, duh. doesn't mean we can't have fun until then.
Kevin Jones
powerful
Lucas Barnes
and as a reference, this is a grid spot, look at how long they are, with only one axle not fitting within white lines
>You were unable to provide any point or procedure by which the session would be stopped in your interpretation of the rules. That is equivalent with the session not ever being stopped. >Interrupted HOW exactly? By what mechanism? And what gives that exact mechanism the authority? >Apparently that lacency only applies for messages to the Mercedes pitwall, and it's apparently only that message that accounts for anything. After some research, the official messaging system refers to the system used by teams, not the drivers (see ctrl-f "official messaging system" in the regulations, you'll know that it's the one team use, not drivers) So FIA seems to use the time where all teams were made aware of the decision via this system as the end of the session. As Bottas did cross the line before that, his lap was counted.
Ian Thompson
thank god. let VWL resume!
Elijah Taylor
the fia one? >His out-lap was good and he was able to prepare the tyres as he wanted but he was further delayed in the final corners by the traffic ahead. Although the TV footage shows that he started the lap before the lights went red, the official timing, which is the final arbitrator in such matters, unfortunately showed that he had missed the end of the session by 0.2s. Reluctantly, we had to tell Robert to abort his lap as taking the chequered flag twice would have led to further sanction from the stewards williamsf1.com/racing/news/2019/09/singapore-grand-prix-qualifying
Dominic Richardson
Not sure I have as much faith in Sebastian “Undercut to Win, because side-by-side I spin” Vettel
>So FIA seems to use the time where all teams were made aware of the decision via this system as the end of the session. Exactly. I've been saying that dozens of posts ago. Seems you have now also grasped what FIA claimed was the case. The problem: That procedure is not stated to have any relevancy on the session being abourted anywhere in the rules. Do you agree about that? And do you also agree that all of this happening behind the scenes makes it impossible to scrutinize and thus highly suspicious?
>Although the TV footage shows that he started the lap before the lights went red, the official timing, which is the final arbitrator in such matters, unfortunately showed that he had missed the end of the session by 0.2s. so what kind of timing is used on world feed then? made-up one?
Andrew Robinson
We in the Gio era now
Thomas Perez
>b-but kubeGOD it being sabotaged I swear I can prove it
yeah, but you would have thought they aren't pulling numbers out their ass. if they aren't feeding their systems with official timing data, what's the source then? something off by at least 0.2 seconds?
Luke Hernandez
Worked his way to the top straight from the slums of Stevenage
Kek. He's not, but Williams isn't the right environment for him. I actually wish he stayed for 2020, but I can see why he jumped ship. Williams' stubborness in building almost everything bar the PU is admirable, but it's really hurting them. They won't make progress until they give up that aspect.
Ayden Morales
Take a look at Montreal then, you have walls for the most part of the track and get good racing
All the good action happens in the parts without walls
Austin Long
>The problem: That procedure is not stated to have any relevancy on the session being abourted anywhere in the rules. Do you agree about that? Yes, there's nothing that links the two.
>And do you also agree that all of this happening behind the scenes makes it impossible to scrutinize and thus highly suspicious? Yes, I actually think that they never thought about what would happen if a car crossed the line in this short amount of time If they had no way to deal with this, then they had to come up with a rule in asap On top of that we will get no detailed logs of the discussions, despite the fact that they technically rewrote the regulations, or at least set a precedent that can be used later Maybe they decided to save Bottas as they did the same for Vettel's lap was which was also near the limits of the regulations (but less than Bottas, since Bottas's case caused by a legal void), and then say "see? We don't penalize drivers that much" But I hope that they rewrite the 31.6 point to include this rule for 2020 Also this 31.6 point is the only one where the official messaging system is not mentioned to alert the team and not the driver, if I had noticed that sooner I would had come to this conclusion way sooner, and for this I'm honestly sorry about disturbing the thread that much
Didn't he sort of say that they're fucked on BTG? They took until Monza to give Kubica a new steering wheel (which he asked for at the start of the season). Abu Dhabi 2017 post-season test, Kubica said their is a problem with the seat. Sirotkin said it was fine. Then in 2018, Sirotkin realised that the seat problem was affecting him. Williams took months to sort that out. If Kubica was at RP or Haas, they'd easily have the wheel manufactured in around 2 months. Williams' business model just does not work with the budget they have, and their reliance on big budget drivers. Although in fairness, Kubica hasn't totally disgraced himself this season.
The McLaren of that year was really good if it survived the race
Carter Rivera
>Look at our girls we totally like girls and not men
Parker Kelly
beards
Camden Gray
No hard feelings from my side. It's nice that we have reached an agreement and shed some light on the event, as obscure as it was. I might have been a bit harsh in my use of language in some of my more frustrated posts, which surely made it harder for everyone involved, so I do want to apologize for that and hope you didn't take it too personally.
Luke Sullivan
motorsport.com/f1/news/maldonado-accuses-williams-of-sabotaging-car/443253/ >in formula 1 there is no cheating, sabotage or unfair treatment, after all it's a sport, not a business which made a lot of people very rich and it's not like people are capable of doing shady things when chasing money :) british team in a tough financial and overall situation, with a young british driver who is associated with team's biggest creditor. yeah, no place for funny games
just fyi, it's not only muh koobitza. mercedes are clearly favouring hamilton, not simply because he's superior driver to bottas, but also much more popular and that brings $$$ and i'm convinced someone sabotaged hamilton with 3 separate engine failures (and 0 for all remaining 7 mercedes drivers) in 2016 so merc had their german champion
formula 1 has always been like that. i mean, can you imagine team ordering one of their drivers to crash, so the other one can win and convince their title sponsor and board to stay for another year? haha me neither haha
Nicholas Mitchell
>Look at our kids we totally like kids we're...ah wait never mind Still btfos F1.
>and i'm convinced someone sabotaged hamilton with 3 separate engine failures (and 0 for all remaining 7 mercedes drivers) in 2016 so merc had their german champion Please stop, my neighbors are going to ask me why I laugh so loud if you continue
>I'm the fox mulder of formula 1, I know what goes on behind the scenes, whatever I say isn't just an opinion, these are facts and you're basically wrong
