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GAMEWEEK FOR EVERYONE
>Thursday
- GT @ Clemson 8pm est ACCN
- Utah @ BYU 10:15pm est ESPN
>Friday
- Tulsa @ Mich St 7pm est FS1
- Wisc @ USF 7pm est ESPN
>Saturday
- Duke vs Bama 3:30pm est ESPN
- Northwestern vs Stanford 4pm est FOX
- Boise St vs FSU 7pm est ESPN
- Oregon vs Auburn 7:30pm est ABC
- Georgia vs Vandy 7:30pm SECN
- LA Tech vs Texas 8pm est LHN
- New Mex St vs Wazzu 10pm est PAC12

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>semenholes
No thanks

And yet you’re still here

Dumb bitch

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Why did I sign up for an 8am class?

Dumb freshie. You're supposed to be taking notes, not shitposting.

To later contemplate suicide probably

>d00k vs Bama
For what purpose? Perhaps it's because Saban can look at his team in January and say "Hey, we've already beaten an ACC team!"

Cuttcliffe isn't a bad coach and Duke has been having some great seasons by their standards over the last couple of years.

Yah I'm gonna say these are based.

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Hell yeah it is. Anything with the Pillsbury Throwboy on it is good.

Reminder that it is Michigan's year.
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TEXAS!

FIGHT!

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Unless it's 1997, it hasn't been Michigan's year since 1948 outright.

I call Vince's performance being the best subjective bullshit. It was a clutch performance, not the best. To me the best performance must be an unstoppable domination of your opponent.

tbf, even 1997 wasn't their year.

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Neither was 2017 for UCF, but that's why we claim natties, not own them.

CST where you at nigga

He's dead.

Mostly posting without my trip but I’ll make an exception

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They said that in 97 too

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Supposidy some vtech players tried to lose the last game against Marshall lasr year so they could skip bowling

What the hell is going on in Blacksburg? Justin Fuente is a good coach, what did these kids have against them? Was it that Old Dominion game that started this? Cause newsflash kiddos, Virginia Tech made a history of bad upsets, even Frank Beamer had some utter stinkers in his HoF coaching career.

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And in other news someone gave houston $50 million in a donation

Who knows. It wouldn't surprise me if the odu game broke them. That was a huge news embarrassment for them

>bowl games

Absolutely meaningless. Good for those kids. Fuck another month of practice. They already do it FOR FREE.

Yeah but they should have know better, VT has done shit like this before, maybe not as impressively bad but still you have to let the past be behind you. It's called handling adversity. My sophomore year of high school we had to play our homecoming against a perpetual state champion who murdered us 72-0. It's not the same kind of loss, but it was equally embarrassing. But still life goes on.

Hey it may not mean much if your going in the top two rounds but if you are a senior just trying to get drafted in the remaining ones one more bowl game couldn't hurt to impress

thoughs on jim harbaugh, the south, and the south's penchant for cheating?

"In Overtime, Bacon examines the NCAA’s allowance for universities to provide players with a full cost of attendance, which provides schools to factor in expenses such as travel, food and laundry – along with other costs not covered by the cost of tuition. At Michigan, Bacon reports that figure comes in at $2,400 for out-of-state players per term both before and after the NCAA made allowances for the full attendance costs. That number only becomes more magnified when compared to SEC programs, which according to the book, totals $5,386 per term at Alabama, $5,586 at Auburn and $5,666 at Tennessee – which represents a 34 percent bump from the previous rate."

Harbaugh, who has made plenty of enemies south of the Mason-Dixon line since taking over at Michigan, has poked the cages of SEC coaches repeatedly and in the book, speaks to the disparity in spending by simply telling Bacon, “(It’s) hard to beat the cheaters.”

I guess the ncaa could put a cap if its a that big of an issue

Honestly, take a page from Smokey Yunick: ""All those other guys were cheatin' 10 times worse than us...so it was self-defense." You'd be surprised about how many teams all over the country take the low road. You can sit on a high horse and suck, or stoop down a champion. It's not like the NCAA is going to give out the death penalty anymore. If they wouldn't give it out for Penn State's criminal bullshit, they will not give it to anyone's unethical bullshit. You'd be amazed at how corrupt the NCAA is...

>one of the voters picked the B1GCG to be Northwestern beating Michigan
>no one was willing to predict a B1GCG in which Ohio State lost
Lmao

A cap wouldn't be very effective at this because every school has a varying budget to spend. It would neuter the big schools yes, but would be hard for smaller schools to meet the space with out a floor to go with the cap. Though it would offer a challenge to big schools out-recruiting the entire state because they would have to balance payrolls, but then you couldn't ostensibly introduce caps without paying players cause no one's going to subject themselves to NFL rules without a salary.

that's what i thought too. maybe adjust for local taxes but even that difference would be nominal. Just cap it for everyone at $3000

If there was a time for anOSU to lose a B1G Championship Game, it would be this year and not because of the talent but arguably Ryan Day's youth.

If they're seniors, they should just quit. If they are playing in subsequent years, they should probably make an effort to get better

Is there any reason for Mizzou and Arkansas to stay in the SEC? Moving to the Big 12 they could:
> Compete at a higher level
> Recruit in a larger area closer to home
> Travel shorter distances between games
> Get nearly the same annual revenue form the Big 12
> Big 12 would be back to 12 teams
> The SEC would be able to play cross-division opponents more often with them gone
It just doesn't make any sense to stay in the SEC, other than to say you play top caliber teams every year.

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"Don't you have to be stupid some place else?"

"Not until 4."

>taking this absolute bullshit online class to pad out some credits
>based Purdy is in the discussion section

tyb Purdy

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You guys better appreciate Matt Campbell, by the time he's retired the stadium will be renamed "Trice-Campbell Stadium." You guys will be building statues and naming streets after him in Ames when all is said and done.

I can't believe he stayed desu

They make more money

>your team
>Your student status and major
>studebt organizations
>Most hated rival, shit talk them and then say one nice thing about them
>Your teams likely record

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Kansas State wondered the same thing for almost thirty years. Loyalty is a beautiful thing, protect it.

>VSU Blazers
>English/Biology
>Graduated 2017
>Delta State for me but it's objectively West Georgia. We stole Delta State's coach my junior year and went undefeated (beating West Georgia) and winning a natty with him the year after I graduated.
>Kerwin Bell got hired away by Charlie Wrong and USF last year and I don't know who we hired in his place (I live in Texas now) so I will guess we won't be defending our title this year.

Then debate

Hardly even. The annual SEC payout is 40 million, and the Big 12 is 35 million. Is the additional 5 million worth losing an additional 3 games? I think not

Mizzou did not jump out of that frying pan only for them to jump back in it. There's a very good Longhorn shaped reason why they left the Big XII. Arkansas can go though, it might make them nostalgic for their SWC days. Weird how a conference mostly made up of Texas teams was led by a team from Arkansas.

They were average then, and they're average now, maybe even below average. In the last 5 years they were in the Big 12, they had 3, 10+ win seasons. Are you saying they left for the same reason A&M did?

It wasn't the on the field results that convinced them, A&M, Nebraska, and Colorado to leave. It's a situation of politics and money with a few ethics issues thrown it. Basically Texas pissed them off with how the conference was run over money and a certain TV deal that essentially they left in protest and that's what happened.

If the longhorn network was never created none of those schools would have left

Texas couldn't see the forest for the trees that everyone was going to leave, they were so pissed. Realignment and Mack Brown's firing arguably sent them down a path of embarrassment for years that they are just now recovering from.

>my face when people actually think the team with the best defense and a top 10 offense in the country will miss the playoffs next season
>Brandon Peters (objectively and statistically the best QB in the 2016 recruiting class, it isn't even debatable)
>Ty Isaac (best RB in the game who will be 100% healthy, unlike the entirety of last year. he will put up 1200+YDs/10+TDs/5.0YPC)
>Jake Butt (a top 3 TE already going into this season, 1000+YDs/7+TDs)
>Sean McKeon (literally a Jake Butt-clone)
>Amara Darboh (top 10 WR, 900+YDs/5+TDs)
>Jabril Peppers (a black guy trapped in a black's body, one of the smartest players in football, elite measurables, incredible upside)
>Kareem Walker (one of the fastest and most explosive players in football)
>Joe Beneducci (best blocking FB in country)
>Best pass rush in the B1G
>Best LB corp in the B1G
>Besy secondary in the country
>Top 5 D-Line
Barring major injuries to key players, there is literally no way the Wolverines are missing the playoffs this season
The Michigan B1G championship drought ends in 2016-2017
You can't prove me wrong
Cap it

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I like how all of those players are long gone. Thanks for the nostalgia trip to three years ago.

Yeah funny enough looking back, all those players fucking suck now. Butt is deader than dead, best player listed is probably Peppers funny enough. Taco is probably the best of all that squad nowadays unless I'm forgetting someone.

>best defense
>top 10 offense
Who is this Michigan fan talking about?
Mississippi State was the best defense in the country hands down last season and Michigan wasn't anywhere close to being a number one offense.

>tfw someone actually saved the copypasta I made years ago
Neat

We look back at this pasta as a kind of relic.

If Harbaugh couldn’t beat Ohio State with the team described here, he never will.

>when the pasta literally dates itself and you still fly into a “MUH SEC” rage
Quality education

Are you actually a buckeyes fan? I need to know

Nope, not a Michigan fan either or a fan of a school that has any rivalry or anything with Michigan I just wanted to make a shitpost

This year might be his best shot with unambiguous gone but I can see Penn state ruin the party

Urban gone*

Congrats, you made one that will live forever

post pictures of campus and/or college town so we can finally separate the shitter schools from the comfy schools

>The annual SEC payout is 40 million, and the Big 12 is 35 million. Is the additional 5 million worth losing an additional 3 games?
>I think not
Every 10 years that's 50 million, most of these schools are barely in the black. There's only a handful programs that actually profit from college sports, moving to the SEC allowed TAMU and Missouri to rebuild their outdated facilities.

Also; the real number is getting closer to 8 million per year difference, not 5.

>that 2020 Kentucky defense
what the actual fuck

are they funneling basketball money into football now?

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They're realizing that they once had Bear Bryant and could have been BOTH a football and basketball school but that one asshole in 53 handed Bear a watch and he walked to Tuscaloosa and thus 60 years later, Kentucky is trying to right that wrong with Stoops.

Do we have an ESPN pick em league up yet?

>Four most overrated treams
>Four teams who get in the Playoff
>Champ
Ohio State
Florida
Notre Dame
Pedo State

Clemson
Georgia
Michigan
Texas

Georgia. Just because their offensive line is unfair, I don't think Nick Saban or Dabo have had one this talented. Anyone here remember for 90's Nebraska? Could be a shot in the dark but it kinda reminds me of Clemson's Dline from last year.

Yeah but the person who made hasn't linked it lately and I forgot to save it

I remember those 90s Huskers, if what you say is true then that's one outstanding line. Almost criminally good.

If Stoops wins 10 games this year, he might be gone in 2020

Oklahoma
Ohio State
Florida
Oregon

Clemson
Georgia
Ohio State
Texas

Clemson. I think Clemson is gonna have a similar year this year to what Alabama had last year: an offense that's so goddamn good that it covers up some suspect defense. Main difference will be that Clemson's D won't crumble like sand castles when tested.

I guess I should clarify: tested in high-pressure situations where the offense can't simply out-score the opposition.

Does Ohio State actually have the best marching band in the nation? What other schools are known for having good ones?

>Georgia. Just because their offensive line is unfair,
Not surprising, Sam Pittman had a bunch of draft picks while he was coaching at Arkansas. I don't know if you can compare anything to those 90s nebraska olines.

App state, NC A&T

Tennessee, Southern and the Citidale are some of the other one's I've always heard a lot about.

Purdue is also well known but that could be because of the drum they have

Texas
Notre Dame
LSU
UCF

Clemson
Bama
Ohio St
OU

Bama

Debatable, there are tons of really good college marching bands, usually the blacker schools are better. Power 5 bands are just gigantic and can do cool pregame/halftime shows.

Oklahoma
Michigan
Oregon
Michigan St

Clemson
Alabama
Ohio State
Utah/Washington, whichever goes undefeated because I think one of them will.

Alabama

Uh, by not having Alabama in the playoff, wouldn't that mean you think they're overrated by default?

>BOLD PREDICTION
5 of the preseason top 10 teams won't finish in the top 10.

Cap it.

>>BOLD PREDICTION
Jake Fromm's leg gets btfo and UGA tumbles to a 4 loss season

While Jake "The Snake" Bentley leads SCAR to win the East and takes down Bama to finally win the SEC. It's destiny. The Cock has come home to roost!

That's hardly bold by UGA standards.

Why is Miami's O-line so bad?

Your greatest moment as a program was a goddamn SEC East title under a castoff Steve Spurrier who then torpedoed your program for several years and quit in the middle of the season like an ass and it took William fucking Muschump four years to be almost as good as the HBC was for you?

A combination of 4 freshmen starting (?) and a rookie coach in his very first HC job are a recipe for disaster. That Williams kid will be in a wheelchair by the end of that season, if he lives that long. He's going to get David Carr'd.

Cock-A-Doodle-Doo Motherfucker! The East is ours and the Dawgs are going to be put down at the pound this year.

>5 of the preseason top 10 teams won't finish in the top 10.
That literally just happened last year and I'm pretty sure there's always at least 4 or 5 who don't finish in the top 10.

Better question is how did they move the ball better than the preseason number 8 with that going on?

I'm pretty sure the SEC east is ACC circa 2018 tier.

FSU was the only marching band invited to perform on the 75th anniversary of D-Day so that tells you something

In Normandy*

oklahoma
florida
lsu
michigan

clemson
ohio state
oregon
alabama

I think clesmosn will win because they have the best qb in /cfb/ right now

I'm a Texas Tech fan, but you guys always struck me as kings of unfounded optimism and I grew up with a conference that had a literal cult of Faggies in it. Even those guys didn't have hope like your fans do. Nothing wrong with it, it just seemed odd to me.

thinking about canceled games, lads....

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in no fucking world does anyone not named Georgia have a chance at winning it, and who gives a shit after 1st

Now that the Rypien shitter is gone, how's your quarterback situation?

new freshman rook, we'll see
>IF they get to play any games

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will you beat the semenholes?

Georgia is definitely the favorite, but Florida might be able to meme their way to the East title. Georgia is good for blowing one game a year they shouldn't and the UF/UGA game is an "anything can happen" kind of game.

With Slick Willie on the FSU sidelines, anything is possible.

not likely, we're not giant killers anymore

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That's because you let your good coach walk to Seattle. But if it means anything, Petersen can't win big games anymore so he may have left his talent in a locker there in Boise.

Or maybe because the Pac 12 is better than the MWC and playing 10+ P5 opponents a year is far more challenging than playing 1-2 P5 opponents a year. Same shit happened with Utah when they moved from the MWC to the Pac 12. They went from being a midmajor powerhouse to having their first losing seasons in over a decade and they couldn't compete until they signed some higher ranked classes than they used to get in the MWC. Utah is a solid P5 program now but they aren't going undefeated anytime soon like they did in 2004 and 2008. TCU went through the same process joining the Big 12. You can survive bringing your B-game against Colorado State or UNLV. You bring your B-game against a P5 team, even the mediocre ones, and there is a good chance you get upset.

They are pretty damn fanatical. There's also a lot of band-wagoners due to it being the state school, so you have to put up with it even from people with no direct connection to the school.

I've to Columbia and I can understand why they are the way they are: they have nothing but this team.

>Utah is a solid P5 program now but they aren't going undefeated anytime soon
they're going undefeated this year

Only if Urban is still on the sidelines.

What should happen to players or teams where guys suddenly fall down (after walking normally) on the field to slow down an offense? Should five yards or a new down be given to the offense being slowed down?

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it's because the school is seriously only a few good years from being an elite program. it's an incredibly easy location to recruit the feral niggers from the carolinas georgia and florida. plus there's a sizable fanbase, good facilites etc etc, it's just that no coach has ever really put it all together. idk if muschamp can do it either but it'll happen eventually with some coach

Whittingham’s gone undefeated too.

If a ref catches it: 5 yards and an ejection for simulation.

Oh really. As a Go5?

keep dreaming lmao

This. I'm an old fuck (born 1972) I have never seen the Gamecocks be anything more than average, with the exception of the HBC years.

Have they ever even been to or won a bcs tier bowl?

They've won 3 outback bowls
That's it

cbssports.com/college-football/news/approximately-half-of-the-pac-12-is-interested-in-some-9-a-m-kickoffs-for-2020/

Fucking half?
What the fuck?

I guess after McCaffery got robbed of his Heisman, they’re gonna make FUCKING SURE voters watch their games

The voting system as a whole needs an overhaul. Anyone with a vote should have to wait until the conference championships are concluded. It's a joke of a system as it currently stands.

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA for real?

Clowney's hit on that Michigan player is also one of their biggest achievements, along with getting stomped by Cam Newton in the SECCG during their only appearance.

A drunk guy on TV shouting from midfield is not a Heisman voter, no matter how much he drowns out the postgame interview.

They had to play Jabari Zuniga

To be fair, that hit got Clowney drafted despite his knees being totally shot and it taking a lot of work to fix those microfractures.

That Oregon State kicker fucking up vs LSU was way worse than Kyle Bronztman? However the fuck its spelled

Yeah but we still make fun of him, unlike Oregon State, who are already a joke.

I swear to god if they move or cancel the FSU v Boise game for anything less that a cat 3 hurricane I'm going to shit on the governors desk

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>ACC Network
>literally just 2016-Today Clemson football, UNC & Duke basketball
Jesus Christ what a joke of a broadcast

there's at least 3 other schools that have historic dynasties in your conference, play something different than the Dabo Fluffing Show 24/7

It’s not even gonna touch Titusville till Sunday afternoon one of the more accurate predictions says (and that’s if the storm isn’t destroyed in Hispaniola)

At least it's better than the Raycom Media amateur hour "broadcasts" they had before.

How is it possible for the ACC to be so incredibly inept? They can't manage money correctly, they can't properly schedule games, they are literally the last conference to have it's own network now and it's completely shit. How is that even possible?

Well, the Raycom Media stuff was because the guy who owns Raycom is the son of an ACC president so there's obvious nepotism in play that now has passed on to ESPN.

Why are you surprised that it's filled with Clemson shit when Clemson football is the only relevant team outside of basketball season?
Football sells and Clemson is the only team anyone is buying

>Raycome
Does this ACC network mean noon games will start at fucking noon instead of 12:30 where they just fucking overlap kickoff for the CBS game of the week?

Asking for a friend.

Honestly that's just been the ACC for a while now. It's been one team ruling over a bunch of midgets for several years and then they lose and some other team takes their place.

It looks like they're doing 12, 4, and 7:30 windows

it's because the ACC Commissioner is a former UNC player, former UNC A.D., and UNC dictates the direction of the conference. The ACC could have a renaissance if he'd just fuck off an die already.

also his sons are high-profile in Raycom Media so take a wild fucking guess as to why this ESPN network took forever to launch.

It's funny how UNC dictates this conference despite not even being the best school in the ACC either athletically or academically speaking.

ESPN was the ones dragging their feet about the network, not the conference or even Raycom
They signed their last TV contract right about the time the cable users started to drop off

I see 12:30 kickoffs on some schedules but I'm pretty sure raycom sports is done broadcasting on CBS at noon and ESPN bought up the rights to everything. Go6 games will probably take their place.

their biggest rival Duke is the greatest academic institution in the conference, and UVA is the greatest public school. Every one of their fans says otherwise though.

if it weren't for 40+ years of cheating in apehoop they'd be irrelevant; other basketball schools like UCLA/Kentucky/Kansas have had bright flashes in football before, but not UNC. FSU, VT, Clemson, and Miami should run the conference because football is the big $$$ sport.

The ones on the channel will start at noon
The online stuff starts whenever

Is having a heisman really worth having only 12 fans in the stands?
They're already having attendance problems and I don't really know why having games at 12 eastern is appealing because there's other games on

I had forgotten about that game and looked up highlights
>LSU was saved by JaMarcus Russell
Fucking wow

/ourguy/ Lane Kiffin and the BASED FAU Owls

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well unfortunately for those two its four nc programs and uva in the conference vs a bunch of big east escapees. fsu and miami would get kicked out before they would ever have a say in the acc against the founding members

>paul finebaum

so what UM playes against a better defense in practice

The only way this isn't retarded is if Colorado or Utah host and they don't put in the teams people outside of the Pac 12's footprint actually watch (Oregon, USC, Washington).

>#1 Greatest Game
>2006 BCS National Championship
>Not the 2007 Tostitos Fiesta Bowl

>by their standards
about that

>Get nearly the same annual revenue form the Big 12
you what

>la creatura

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Depends what you mean by best. If you're talking about good fundamentals and tone quality, absolutely not. If you're talking crowd-pleasing, absolutely yes.

you forgot their reward for winning the east

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Reminder that he only blew one game.

>There's also a lot of band-wagoners due to it being the state school
have they not all jumped to clempson yet

They won a citrus bowl does that count

believe that was second

There's literally nothing on earth better than cfb crowd chants, particularly the "_,_,_" ones that are deafening.

youtube.com/watch?v=oixhP0SKTIk

wow, who knew orst could get loud, and for their 1-2 team

That was during their Riley glory days, plus they were hosting USC during their Carroll glory days which was always a big deal for other Pac 10 teams.

SUCK

THAT

TIGER

DICK

BITCH

>Only one day and a wake-up until kickoff, friends.

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Real beaver hours in here

ONE DAY TO MAKE RIDICULOUS PREDICTIONS AND TAKE SCREENSHOTS TO POST LATER

You guys are the biggest faggots ever. 60,000+ retarded undergrads and still not worth a shit

USC will make a NY6 game. Cap it

No.

honestly what is he supposed to say? that the south is doing better because it has more nogs and the midwest isn't "diverse" enough to have talented players?

bama goes 10-2 and their gradual decline begins

>tfw no one is picking your school to even make a bowl game and no one cares about the program because of how bad they are in comparison to the basketball program
at least the tickets are free

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Please beat Texas

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Oh look miami fans chimping over getting put on (deserved) blast for always chimping

>better defense
>we ranked top 5 uf was only like 25 duuuuude
>no for real we stopped duke, unc, gatech, and pittsburgh dead in theirvtracks while losing
lol

How does it feel being Florida's bitch?

If we only new which tigers you are referring to with that unique and inspired nickname

Absolutely fucking based. LSU going in dry on everyone this year.
>you heard me nip Florida fag

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Why didn't you listen Arizona, we tried to warn you about sumlin

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does UCF have a huge campus or is just moslty online students?

LSU is UF's bitch in literally every sport.

>2016
>hurf uf is scared to play us
>wahhh why dont u play at baton rouge
>beat your ass on your homefield
>go on to beat lsu for baseball title in 17
>shitty basketball team sweeps top 10 lsu
Are you faggots even trying?

No because anyone that pulls for one team could never get away with pulling for the other. The rivalry between the fan bases is extremely contentious. You'd be ostracized by both fan bases and constantly mocked. No one wants both the SCAR and Clemson fans unified against you.

>Kareem Walker

Lmao

Bring back the BCS computer rankings and make the computers the ranking authority. Only convene the playoff committee in the event of ties within the top 4.

This is the superior way to decide the playoff participants. Prove me wrong.

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Agreed.

Having people and their bias involved is fucking stupid. Some of which know fuckall about the sport.

Is she right?

twitter.com/UnnecRoughness/status/1166119442977296391?s=19

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>in an airport right now waiting for flight
>There are people literally and unironically wearing pedo state gear

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They do have one of the largest alumni bases in the country so I guess it's expected

GO POKES!

Based and Ogrepilled

Western Carolina and App State.

based

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Bring Back the MANGINO
Kansas will wallow in mediocrity until they bring back the MANGINO

Welcome back

Alexis Texas could take me down if you know what I mean

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The BCS computers were no different than having human voters. They were subject to the same biases as whoever made their calculations, which were proprietary, so fans and teams had no clue what they had to do to move up the computer rankings. It wasn’t unusual for one computer to have a team ranked 6th while another had them 23rd. Zoomers who weren’t around for the BCS think their computers were flawless and immune to controversy and perfectly logical. That’s not how it was at all. Some of them were designed by people who didn’t know shit about football. At least with the committee there is a spokesman to answer questions and explain votes.

TEXAS!

FIGHT!!

>Michigan
Top kek. They just got shit whopped in a bowl game against your overrated Florida team.

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>so what UM playes against a better defense in practice
Semihole talkin bout practice lol

>playing @UW this year
yeah that's not gonna happen

Based

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AaaaaaaaaaHHHHHHHHHH

Bama defense is so fuckeed!

>school shooting might have caused a drop in student enrollment this year
That sucks but the school should bounce back

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>Dylan Moses torn ACL
OHNONONONONO

oh shit that's actually a big blow to their defense
how many more injuries until it is as bad as Tennessee's?

>check to see the 2 ILBs Bama signed last cycle
>both top 125 in the country overall and very high 4 stars
>both a good height and weight
yeah they'll be fine, fuck this

It was never supposed to an exclusively UT network. The initial idea was to create the Lone Star Network, where all the Texas teams were going to have coverage like the SEC network. Can't blame UT for having money to go through it on their own.

espn.com/college-sports/story/_/id/6918208/texas-aggies-had-chance-partner-longhorn-network-deloss-dodds-says

Could be a fun playoff year

Gonna beat bama this year

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Thanks! Got a VPN now so I can't flood here anymore but I will lurk.

Boise St vs FSU being played looking grim. Expect the game to cancelled or pray for a miracle and the game is moved up.

not a chance clanga beats bama
aggies however.........

>tfw 8 ams every day except Friday when I have no classes

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Aggies no.

LSU and Auburn maybe

>LSU
lol no, most overrated team in the league. they literally cannot score on Alabama since Alabama fucking shitslams their offense. not even 11 injuries will change that.
>Auburn
I would say Gus finds a way but that roster is a hot mess and I don't think their QB will be able to beat them

1. Who cares?
2. It isn't supposed to hit Florida until Sunday now you giant fag

Is this another season where Alabama will play a bunch of retards and literal who teams and still get ranked top 2?

Yep.

The committee established in 2017 that Bama can do no wrong.

Alabama and Georgia finally have another regular season game against each other in 2020.

B1G Champs

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dubs choose what G5 team I'm rooting for this season

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FAU

Kent State

*wins the SEC

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GO FLASHES
GET FUCKED A S POO

BYU

Gonna dump some sims

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Last two digits is how many points Clemp's son scores tomorrow night.

>teams that play at memorial stadium
>teams with mascot names like wildcats
>teams with blue/red with white school colors
>teams with letters as the logo

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I miss the webms

So 31-3, since Georgia Tech will kick a pointless field goal with 3 minutes left in the game after Clemson put their backups in

They are too much of a pain in the ass to do though

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Tulsa/MSU?

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If I've got the time

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What the fuck happened here

Look at this update from Florida State's Twitter account

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>tfw you don't live in a state where hurricanes guarantee at least one cancelled game per season

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Hopefully they move it to Friday so there is something good to watch that night.

Or they could move it back to Tallahassee
Why is it in Jacksonville to begin with?

Florida
Notre Dame
Georgia
Michigan

Bama
Clemson
OU
OSU

Bama because revenge factor and their easy schedule will leave their players well rested and injury free

>injury free
The season hasn't even started yet and Bama's roster is already getting BTFO by injuries

Doesn't look good

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Will this be the one to wipe florida off the map

The ones that remain will do the job, let’s not kid ourselves

espnpressroom.com/us/press-releases/2019/08/football-is-back-in-session-espn-solidifies-game-assignments-and-production-features-for-five-day-50-game-kickoff-week/

Beth Mowins alert for South Alabama at Nebraska

So if they move Boise-FSU to noon or Friday, will they move other games up?

T Minus less than 24 hours till America’s team takes the field again

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FORGOT TO MENTION THAT OUR PICK EM LEAGUE THIS SEASON IS UP!

fantasy.espn.com/college-football-pickem/2019/en/group?groupID=89199

password: yourmomgaylol

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>tropical storm
No

>Duke vs Bama 3:30pm est ESPN
it's on ABC

I never had an 8am until my senior year (after 3 years of no classes until 11am) because it was the only open section available
it was suffering

>bama
>grad. 2015, EE and CS
>tennessee is shit, no nice thing, they just fucking suck and their fans are the worst
>14-1

>not auburn
Proof that you are a nigger bandwagoner

The ACC / ESPN bungled the launch of the ACC Network so bad that there will be / has been a significant influx of sign ups for free trials, along with subsequent cancellations just to view the Clemson Vs. GT game tomorrow night. The people in charge of locking up licences should be fired and humiliated because every other P5 conference figured it out, unless I'm mistaken. The biggest laugh is to those that signed up and forget to cancel.

Did the Big 12 ever get it's own network? I thought Texas fucked that up for everyone else?

>every other P5 conference figured it out
I have yet to see the Big 12 network despite looking really hard

Pretty sure they were one of the first to get their own network.

You're thinking of the Big Ten

No I believe the B1G was the first. Texas made their own network and fucked over the rest of the conference

My bad. My original point still stands that conference networks are long overdue and the fact that when / if they launch they don't have their shit together ahead of time, while locking major games behind the walls, is a sign of ineptitude that requires significant consequences. The majority of people in Clemson's region don't have access to it without signing up for services they are forced into or are 3rd party beyond major cable / tv providers. Dumb asses all around.

Yeah
ESPN backed themselves into a corner promising the ACC this back in 2014 I think?

I don't really understand the appeal of the thing anyways
SEC fans care about their brand and I don't think the Big Ten is too fractured
But the ACC still feels like 3 different cliques that really don't care about each other
As a Clemson fan I follow the SEC more than the ACC. Mainly because there's passion with the SEC and apathy with most ACC teams

My Xbox likes to make teams throw more than irl so it's nice to see when a team randomly has 69 rushing attempts in a game

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>PAYING to fire a coach who could win 11 games at fucking kansas
you deserve everything you get

They shouldn't have needed to be warned, wtf

It's because the basketball schools in the ACC are the center of gravity, and the conference has no real football identity outside of Clemson and VA tech.

I mean... they were still mediocre with Mangino, but they at least got some bowls.

Firing the most successful coach in KU history because a couple players were too soft... wew lad.

RIP in pieces jayhawk football.

>dropped out like 15 years ago
>still a fan instead of bandwagoning texas or some shit

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>now the other 5 star will have to come off the bench and take over

You guys can't even give them a close game. Even Arkansas managed that.

I will never not be mad about Georgia's performance in 2015.

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>blocks your path
>again

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>late 4th quarter losses arent close games

Almost every team has letters as the logo, and many of the ones who don't look like shit (Oregon State, Arkansas, etc).

what the fuck

I literally gave up on getting a business minor because I didn't want to take accounting at 8am.

>EE and CS
jesus i can smell the money from here

>undergrad at auburn
>master's at alabama
My schools haven't missed the NCG/playoffs since the Bush administration.

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That actually sounds like it could have enough content to be viable, unlike a channel for a single fucking school.
The LHN is the reason the Big 12 is so fucking poor, and, by extension, will be the reason it folds. I still can't believe it happened and continues to happen.

I bet the ACC had some kind of community when it was just Georgia, Carolina, Virginia, and Maryland, who are all close enough for anyone to see anyone else's games easily. Now it's everything from the tip of Florida to the end of Massachusetts.

Last time Alabama had two starting linebackers get hurt they played like shit. Nobody just replaces their starting inside linebacker, especially a first team all american.

I really think this is possible, Gus bus is probably going to be fired before November.

I didn't even know about 2017 which is the only one this really applies to. No one actually believes MSST can beat Bama so it hardly counts anyway. See Arkansas 2014 for a real we-actually-thought-they-could-do-it game.

Things are shaping up so that >we have to keep him. Florida is probably a win, and if >we beat Oregon it's 9-4 and a two year extension.

>arky arky arky
They lost too and we beat them

stop shilling for a commuter school

By a point. Shut the fuck up and take some notes. Everyone knows your last touchdown in 2014 was in garbage time.

>Waaaaah
Losers

Based Sim user

Everyone knows Arkansas are losers you waste of semen. Mississippi State are the same, except they can't put on a good show.

Please, keep going

Make me you overgrown cumshot

You just did

Kellen Mond will win the Heisman

Haters gon' hate

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Finally

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>fsu is going to get out of losing to boise somehow
hurricanes are overrated unless youre in the keys/miami. By the time they get up north its just some normal weak ass rain you wouldnt be able to tell is a hurricane if someone didnt tell you it was one.

Just like the football canes really

>>BOLD PREDICTION
florida doesnt win any more games this year
franks has to play both ways due to injury to florida's defense

reminder the SEC is NOT losing more than 6 non conference games this season

>Only one wake-up until kickoff, friends.

This is the last day without college football! I wish all of your teams the best of luck this year, unless you're a Duck of course.

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They shouldn’t, considering around 80% of their noncon games are against vastly overmatched midmajors and FCS teams.

GAMEDAY MOTHALOVASSSS

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REMINDER
if your team plays on a thursday it does not belong in the CFP

Thats just retarded

LETS

GO

BEAR

CATS

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The storm is slowing down and not expected to make landfall until Tuesday now, I’d expect the game to continue as planned

UC will beat aOSU

Checked

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Boise State vs Florida State moved to Tallahassee
Game will be played at noon

Still literally a home game for FSU but just moreso now. Nothing's changed.

>your team
USC
>Your student status and major
Graduated 2013/Communications
>studebt organizations
Marching Band
>Most hated rival, shit talk them and then say one nice thing about them
Notre Dame, only rival in the last 10 years thats been rival worthy, visiting Chi town for the game every other year is nice, fucla can't even be assed to be in a different city
>Your teams likely record
After last year...8-4, i know we gutted our old offense coordinator, I know almost no names on the team this year which could be good or terrible. I don't think we'll have another 5-7 year but I don't think we're gonna slap back that hard
I think this well be Heltys last year for sure if he doesn't go at least 8-4/beat ucla. He's had a the most stable run of all the coaches this year, just barely beating out Kiffin, but, he's had his 4 years to produce now, if this current team can't at least go positive or higher then he should be axed. I defended his losses and status last year because there's still a chance it could have just been a fluke bad year for him but we'll see after this season. I have no defense anymore if he can't produce

Just took a nap so I could watch football without dying tonight lol

Sup bros, Just letting you all know ill be doing another mexican cfb thread tomorrow for this weekend games, the Monterrey university derby UANL vs Tec Will be 730 pm tomorrow so it should be an intresting game if anyone wants to check it out

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they're moving the game from Jacksonville to Tallahassee

which will be that much worse when Hurr State beats Free Shoes on their own turf

>down enrollment
the perfect opportunity for me to get in as a rebounding former fuckup adult

>UVA
>Maryland
>UNC
>Duke
>NC State
>Wake Forest
>South Carolina
>Clemson
>Georgia Tech
>FSU
>VT
>Miami
would have been kino, VT and Miami were the only quality additions after 2000

taking BC, Syracuse, Pitt, Louisville, and letting ND cuck us while watching Maryland + SCar leave completely fucked the balance

>school shooting might have caused a drop in student enrollment this year

For real? I mean thinking about it, if there was already a Shooting there then its statiscally the least likely place for another Shooting happening soon, right

WHO HERE /FREETICKETS/

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HERE NIGGA

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>he doesn't get free admission to every school sporting event
>in addition to tuition and fees, his school regularly gauges him for more sheckles to attend a school sports game

0/10 would not attend

FSU students get free tickets to every sport

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yeah usually you can order student tickets for free, but they're just letting us in with an ID this time

inside.uncc.edu/news-features/2019-08-29/search-committee-named-unc-charlotte’s-next-chancellor

The search committee for the next chancellor has been assembled. If someone here wants the job these are the guys you have to schmooze up to

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Mother Nature really dicking Boise hard

>Nothing's changed
if it got cancelled FSU had a clause letting them call off the series, now they have to go to Idaho still

More blue field games would have been dope

Utah will still fucked the whole state hates BYU now.

Duke is gonna have a great game with Bama. Cutcliffe will have Saban shook to the absolute bone on Saturday. Expect this game to be a close one.

>school shooting might have caused a drop in student enrollment this year

Which state?

Boise State will find a way to win.

Really thinking about taking UMass at +16. I think Rutgers is putrid

umass is putrid too tho and iirc their best receiver is out

Pretty sure that's a UTEP poster

Oh yeah UTEP I forgot, it seems a lot students in this whole country are skipping out of college for a year or two.

FUCK YOU I’m going to a /cfb/ game tonight and I’m FUCKING PUMPED!!!

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which game, user?

lol nah

>mfw my classes run from 11-4
>mfw no Friday classes
feels good being a 100000th year senior

The computers were consistent in their bias.

Pick em link?

TEXAS IS _______ FOLKS!

CRINGE AND TECHPILLED

I could see teams like Michigan or Ohio State or Oklahoma doing that, but where Florida state is right now, they need all the good ooc games they can get with that abysmal ACC strength. That's not me saying Michigan is good by the way, they just have a tendency to pull out of ooc games whenever they want

BLACKED

Gophers. Looking forward to a warm night game.

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solid choice. Have fun!

ty based user

Will there be a cfbstream from reddit for the Clemson game, or should I just make a free trial account to eventually cancel?

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Gross stay safe user keep your distance

okc/army is the only game I had trouble getting a stream for last year and it was on PPV

what are you guys watching tonight? ucla/cincy's on tv here and it looks like the closest non-tulane game
I'm interested in tech since I watched a bunch of temple when their coach was there but I doubt they'll show anything vs clemson or even this year

Clemson Vs. GT. Hoping for no injuries and backups put it at some point in the 3rd quarter.

UCLA/Cincinnati seems interesting
UCLA seems improved but Cincinnati seems like a dark horse playoff contender if they can sneak out a win next week at Ohio State

MY Texas Tech Red Raiders are going to go 6-6 and go to a low-tier bowl game and there's NOTHING any of you can do about it!

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Are they gonna be able to adapt to whatever offense that new guy wants to run?

They'll still be running an air raid

they're gonna beat a 9-2 texas in austin, i can feel it

The raidurrs are going 0-12

Hook em

Watching everything my man

TTU is the worst school in Texas prove me wrong

Post your bets

i'm a life long University of the Incarnate Word fan

Based

Bet I could beat you in a 40

TWO

DAYS

UNTIL

FLORIDA

STATE

FOOTBALL

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Drinking a 40? Get real, I chug Steele reserve for breakfast

lmao that girl's name is izzy I've fucked her

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Post a vid to prove it

Any conference other than shitty offense SEC will be able to take advantage of the two freshman sitting smack dab in Bamas defense.

duke just lost a top 10 in the draft QB ;)

>he didn’t stack Tuesdays and Thursdays so he had 8 to 5 but no classes on MWF
Doing this I was able to save enough working first semester of senior year to not work second semester and had a fucking blast

doing this rn, but I work freelance anyway so now I just have more time to work in general

shut up Euromutt go back to your european feetball.

I'm on of those weird guys who spends his free time listening to marching bands. IMO, Oklahoma State has the best band. Some examples:
youtube.com/watch?v=UFJFFrJwYnE&list=PLlTNNx5VbU2WdJvG4r7aYll0W5hYnfcrY&index=7&t=0s
youtube.com/watch?v=BlyfrGukVYs&list=PLlTNNx5VbU2WdJvG4r7aYll0W5hYnfcrY&index=6&t=0s

I also really like USC
youtube.com/watch?v=rAZKYPeajCw&list=PLlTNNx5VbU2WdJvG4r7aYll0W5hYnfcrY&index=3&t=0s

UW has the most energetic band and is a ton of fun to watch and listen to youtube.com/watch?v=5t9fvygx8CI

Bama is also great youtube.com/watch?v=DZ9t0Z7CSL0

test

Based ban evading user

Shit, ND has two top 100 inside LBs by 247 as red-shirt sophomore's BACKING UP two senior LBs and people are acting like their second level is going to be absolute shit because they just lost two fantastic ILB's to the NFL last season. Yet when Bama has two true freshman it doesn't mean anything lol. Granted, if Bama's DT's can be amazing they'll be able to cover most of that up. But still, it doesn't matter how talented they are at LB, which is a very cerebral position. They WILL make mistakes. They are also still basically high school athletes. Even if they were five stars, they will have to deal with Olinemen who have been in college strength and conditioning programs barrelling towards them. They WILL be a liability and a weakness. They will miss run fits, they will make coverage mistakes.

That being said, look for them to be amazing 'backers in '20 and '21 seasons.

hell yes ucla already doing motion bullshit

These announcers a shit.

The Cincinnati/UCLA game sounds like it is being called by a Cincy fan.

Gay

>uclgay

KOBR

Where the game threads at?

These connection errors man

Stupid connection errors

Cloudfail is fucking over the site again.

I'm in Clemson rn
Fuck 4channel

We are getting hacked by Russians

I thought I heard UCF was streaming their games on twitch this year? Wtf is this cbssn shit? I just wanted to spam some emotes with the zoomers.

That game is going down hill fast.

test

That true freshman for UCF will be starting eventually this year. Already looks better than Wimbush

fuck Clempson

fuck the Russians hacking this board

fuck my aborted postings

Is this thing on?

I lost count how many times wimbush overthrew a open receiver at the end zone

No.

>the shantytown of Georgia Tech

Are we back? Been waiting 3 quarters to call Mcafees shtick cringe

This is so annoying

espn with the tactical 4channel outage. But yeah he fuckin sucks

You say that as a joke, but Atlanta is a basketball american shanty town

University of Carolina: Louisiana-Alabama

let me post

Come on

test, hiros a fag

at least my niners are wrecking these baptists

Lawrence is throwing the Heisman hype out the window lmao

I vant a molly mcgrath

is mond an heisman

Based retard pac-12 I can't wait for BYU to beat Utah!

lmao ucf's got 2nd strings in and is scoring faster, they might make 100pts

can't even block in football anymore. this "sport" is going full nancy mode.

Still wont be the worst massacre in Orlando's history

BREAKING NEWS: Florida Atlantic has cancelled its game against Ohio State on Saturday due to Hurricane Dorian.

shut up dummy

Absolute state of chip kelly

Holy War? More like Holy SHIT War, amirite?

Wow Lawrence looks like straight up tranny asshole

how many of Clempsun's "fans" are bandwagoners?

not even homers can think that program is completely clean

DESU all of the SEC fans are bandwagoners

Theres no way in hell that many hillbillys went to college

this better not be an issue tomorrow

Prices are a method of rationing scarce resources. They ensure that anyone able and willing to pay for tickets will get them. The fact that your school gives them away means no one wants to see your shitty team.

It’s going to be the biggest issue of the season

WAAAAAAZUUUUUUUUU

what

Cincinnati is a good team and should have been ranked already, tho they will be next week, but god damn UCLA looked terrible. Cincy shoulda won my 3 tds. What the hell happened to Chip Kelly?

Are you kidding me? "Storming the field" because you, last year's National Champions, beat a 6-8 team by 40 points?

Are people going to Clemson to act like retards on TV? Sad.

New Hampshire's 25-year head coach just stepped down for "Medical Reasons", and their hockey team is melting down after decades of being one of the best in the country. It's all lining up for CHIP TIME.

They do this every game you newfag. The students sing the alma mater on the field.

Holy fuck, the BYU QB's mom is smoking

This bait needs to bake a bit more.

post pics

not subtle enough. try again next week

...something that's been done since the 1940s...retard

Let me guess..."stoopid tradition"

Idiots make this post every year.

Zach Wilson's mom

Anybody watching the late-night Paction? Loser goes to Hell, winner gets blood parasites in Polynesia

test

yeah but its still hard to post

What happens at a BYU tailgate? Do people drink?

>muh rock
>muh hill
>muh $2 bills
>muh meth addict mascot
>muh colors from old auburn jerseys
>muh storming after beating FCS teams
Does Clemson have the most cringe and bluepilled traditions?

Every student section sings the alma mater after games. That isn't special.

Texas!

Fight!

they drink oj

Clemson just tries way too hard. You can tell it's a program that prior to the current era was best known for getting punched by Woody Hayes.

Has Trevor Lawrence been exposed?

Yes

You people will complain about anything

What the fuck byu

penis goes in bagina
just testing don't mind me

>tfw I'll never go to BYU and marry a horny Mormon girl who only wants the wedding so we could have sex.

>delay
for what purpose? i missed it

Fuck he got fat

rent free case of CDS

Still down I see

No lmao

I don’t see how touching a rock and running down a hill is an exciting tradition, I just don’t

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I wish Mizzou had stayed in the B12

because it's not, and there were no fans to get butthurt about it before Dabo came along

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How is your school's traditions more exciting then?

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I can't really explain this one
USF's ratings were artificially decreased as well

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God I fucking hope so
Watching Wisconsin get sliced up would be kino

Are you really trying to defend that boring tradition?

This, why the fuck did SI rank it the #1 tradition. It’s not even good.

A better question would be what tradition ISN’T more hype than touching a fucking rock? Some of the top of my head that are more exciting:
>sooner schooner
>masked rider
>enter sandman
>war eagle flight
>hoddy toddy chant
>seminole guy
>calling the hog
Everything is better than
>A
>FUCKING
>ROCK

Why are you still seething?

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>A FUCKING WAGON
>A FUCKING FAGGOT
>A FUCKING SONG
>A FUCKING EAGLE
>A FUCKING CHANT
>A FUCKING FAKE INDIAN
>A FUCKING CALL
Literally every tradition is shit if you just pull back the layers

I didn’t pull back any layers. You are running a fucking rock.

And Virginia Tech enters through a generic tunnel to a certain song
A song with no significance to the school
Why is that a decent tradition?

And literally all of those things are still more exciting than a rock.

I said it was exciting. Which it is.
youtu.be/crhWP__g-_c

Not really
It's just a song

You are going to your school's home opener right user?

It's not for another 3 weeks

because it rips

No, Embry-Riddle doesn't have football

Gotta stop projecting guy, I didn’t say it was a bad tradition, just that it’s not exciting

I mean your school's tradition probably isn't that exciting to everyone
Different strokes for different folks

>13/23
>168 yds
>1 TD, 2 INTs

Yea Lawrence is definitely ready for the NFL right now, definitely nothing wrong with shitting the bed like this against an unranked defense.

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youtu.be/QQcNEPulVO8

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You're next on the list happy appy

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BYU wins the rematch

What was up with all those turnovers?

Le bump to kill the thread for the weekend

New thread when

When you make one

I'll make it

based

NEW THREAD NEW THREAD NEW THREAD

A hype song that everyone in the stadium jumps too.
>this many posts of coping because your tradition is a fucking rock

It’s a thousand miles away and I was unemployed until last week so no.

*yawn*

No one is going to be as excited about a school’s traditions as a school itself, but they can still think it’s good. For example, watching live didn’t get me hype, but I was absolutely impressed by it.

I don’t hate Clemson either. The $2 thing is eyebrow raising and singing the alma mater on the field is sweet and I’m sure it would extremely sentimental if I were a student. But running down a hill and rubbing a rock is objectively stupid.

If you that doesn’t look exciting to you you probably just aren’t much of a football fan, and I would literally nuke FSU’s stadium I could. You’re probably just coping though.