Why do Americans care about stats so much?

okay well make some stats for that then. or are you too dumb to have the dynamic thinking to quantify something like that? i can see some low rent irish drunk or sudaca retard seeing these types of stats and just getting violently angry at them because they're too dumb to understand them

You can't really, there's stuff like pass completion % but that doesn't really indicate everything. On the other hand you have a player like Drogba who revolutionized the use of one striker because he was so strong and always scored in big matches but didn't have the best scoring stats overall

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Stats are for idiots who pretend to watch sports but are just a bunch of casuals

Drogba is overrated as fuck

Cause they are fun?, they are one of the things i like about american football

>always scored in big matches
okay so just winging it here in a league i barely follow. just have stats against the other big six, or weight them relative to teams in the standings. yes padding a goal against watford isn't the same as against man city, you can control for these things you know?

Futbol fags buy too Hard into the MUH SOUL MUH BEATIFUL GAME meme to keep stats on teams and players they preffer the subejctive stuff

Coming from the country that invented cricket

yeah i know. imagine treating statistical evidence in any other field like it's a bad thing

Why do you make threads pondering about why americans do something differently?

Analytic Philosophy and media polling obsessions

Honestly the ONLY important statistic is WAR.

The rest is nerd bullshit.

Wonder if someday someone will moneyball football, there isnt so many data but some fan autisitc enough May come up with something that would piss the fuck out of the world

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I'm interested in other countries

You don’t ask about the Germans or Italians or whatever. It is only Americans that interests you islanders.

Liverpool tried it and failed. Billy Beane is active in England and have been in football for a while

That's literally the result of statistical analysis to find the most efficient scoring method

Cricket scorelines require Excel spreadsheets. We just do it with everything. Plus what else will all the nerds with math degrees do if they shut down SABR and Corsica?

Just because the forerunner didn't succeed totally doesn't mean it isn't happening. Beane never won a baseball championship either, and MLB front offices are full blown Rain Man autists with stats now. It's absolutely being applied to your league. It's a slower process because it's admittedly much harder to quantify but it will take over eventually.

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Sorta this, all stat nerds never watch the game. Well okay, they have it on in the background as they're on their phone shitposting on the chan.

why do eurotrash care about Americans so much?

it's all they have.

it's all they have

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there's stats in football (soccer) now
all that expected goals, xG stuff has been around for at least 10 years and Arsenal bought some stat company to figure out which players to buy instead of just >muh passion for muh local club "stat"

We're too smart to simply watch sports passively

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>not everybody who has no money is poor

Why the fuck would a stat company recommend David Luiz?

he's got a CL medal? idk I was as surprised as you

We’re more intelligent than Eurotards who want to ogle the twins eye candy playing footsie in the grass. Meanwhile Americans are lifting barbells, grunting and performing complex calculations like the platonic ideal of masculinity demands.

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They don’t watch it passively, they’re masturbating to the lithe fairies wearing thigh high stockings and short shorts dancing around the ball. Football is a power fantasy for Americans - they want to be the quarterback throwing the football whereas soccer is quite literally homoerotic pornography for Europeans. It’s even more sickening and shameful when you realize they also gleefully watch children play too.

Because stats actually paint a picture in the sports unlike soccer where some player who did jack shit all game can score a meme goal and be named man of the match

>You can't really
this just goes to show you don't know what the fuck "stats" mean.
and the fact that you think only americans do this confirms it. most of your countrymen who actually give a shit about the sport are miles ahead of you in terms of analysis.
do some reading.

The Europeans won’t think you’re any less of a mutt by kissing their ass. Have some self respect and shitpost with the rest of us

You’re like that kid at the lunch table getting bullied who just accepts his fate and chimes in “haha yeah man I really am a faggot haha”

>stating a fact is kissing ass
Go pretend that you're pretending to be retarded on

americans care about stats as much as everyone else cares about stats.

its just the fact that in SOCCER, very little occurs in a game in an objective, measurable way, other than goals scored. how do you quantify dudes passing the ball to each other over and over, in a way that says something about a particular player's performance? its nearly impossible.

Moneyball, it all started with Moneyball

The previous poster was wrong for one. Most stats are provided by their respective leagues themselves, not by third party associations. So to claim that stats exist for ad revenue is well, retarded, like you.

Liverpool tried it and failed, Brentford are trying it and failing

stats in football are more interesting than actually watching the game. association football has stats, just that it's a bit less tedious to watch than adball.

>efficient

They aren't very smart. They need spoonfed.

This explains why Americans are sexually excited by their women being fucked by niggers, at least.

It's really strange desu
It's almost as if their sports are not team sports

This is why American sports discussions are so boring.
>oh his PER, ERA, QBR, is so much higher than that other player blah blah blah
Compare that to football discussions which are so much more free flowing. People actually talk about they witnessed within a game and the skills of a player

the team that is well know for using stats more than anyone else to buy players/prospects is arsenal
I rest my case.

> Vertical axis not starting at 0
Whoever made this graph should be shot

Americans are intrinsically soulless people. If something can't be expressed in terms of cold, hard numbers, or doesn't have a monetary value attached to it, then it just doesn't register to them as being important. Very Jewish behaviour.

desu there are more and more elaborate stats that are surfacing and been emphasised lately

it makes you aware of them on the field now too making it more fun to watch how the play goes

and like some said I wish someday moneyball can be really successful on top flight football once analytics are further implemented only then we can break the domination of some clubs in the top nations leagues

Because those are European countries that we have much in common with. It's like asking why a Colombian would be more interested in South Korea, rather than Venezuela, or Peru.

yeah I guess that's why it's exciting to see the prospect of their squad now once everyone is fit and fun to talk about which players they will get on to strengthen them on transfer windows and what kind of negotiation deals masterstroke will they do

add to the tinkering manager to counter opposition and the fighting grit and balls they have on some players right now it's really entertaining

just get rid of the obvious deadweights and jokers then they gonna go right back to their glory days

True

Like iniesta who passes it to the guy who makes the assist. So he never gets assist

He had vision 3 steps in the future

There are stats for everything. For players who influence the game in more intangible ways you can still look at how the team performs with or without them. Carrick was a great example for Man United. They basically won 80% of the matches he played and 30% of the ones he sat out. All of this was due to his ability to dictate the tempo of the game and distribute the ball from deep.

This

No but they might be overcompensated.

The hard part for soccer is that it is, was, and always will be a refball sport where the margins are basically determined by whichever team have the best influence on the officials. City last year made out like bandits with tactical fouling and never received bookings for it.
Refs protect certain players if they are higher profile(similar to the NBA but far worse) so you can have Dan James get kicked in the knee and get booked for diving while Salah gets a penalty awarded for having his shoulder tapped.

This, for ice hockey as example they look at ice time. Sure a certain player might not be scoring or giving assists but they seem to be on the ice when goals are scored even if what they’re doing is not explicit. There are stats for
Everything. Especially soccer.

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there's a stat for that, "preassist".

Also guys like Popovich noticed that NBA refs almost never call fouls on moving screens so you can just have your power forward or center become an offensive lineman and clear space for your guard to get open 3’s every time.
Drayboon does this every game.

Everything is stats you fool

Its just about defining whats important

Kdb wouldnt be a god 20 years ago because apparently only scoring goals mattered and not having a player create all those goals

As though all teams were 1 man teams

Absolutely based

Probably because baseball is like 0 tactics and soccer is 100 so its not just players stats its about cohesion and their coach aswell

So much more complex to model and might be impossible unless you can predict how players will react to each other and manager

>I swear guys, w-we don't care about stats as much as the 'muricans
>meanwhile Tsuman wins 5 balloon doors and is generally regarded as an equal to Messi because he scores just as much as him
Also, the english in particular are guilty of saying Lampard/Gerrard are much better than Xavi and Iniesta because, and I quote, "they don't score or assist nearly as much"

We're all equally stupid and overrate the relevance of stats as much as the freedom fatsos.

In soccer tactics are just a meme. Soccer players are emotional beings whose effort and skill level can vary drastically depending on a multitude of circumstances. That’s why so many teams just melt against big clubs in the league but then randomly in cup games beat that same team.
They know they can meme their way to a cup final but have no chance of winning the league, so in the league matches they play as if they already lost.
Most goals scored are ether total shithouse goals created from luck and individual errors or come from big teams statpadding vs weak opponents who have emotionally quit already.

Our sports are stop-and-go so we need numbers to look at between plays

>it took Americans decades of extensive statistical analysis to conclude that scoring three points is better than scoring two points
wew

Because they are soulless and a bunch of fucking nerds

*than

so Westbrook is the greatest player of all time?

drogba is the epitome of stats being a shit way to rate a player.
without drogba chelsea would have about 6 less trophies

Westbrook's statistics reveal that he is highly inefficient. His existence alone suggests that points/rebounds/assists can mislead us into overvaluing a player. (He has also forced me to reexamine the dangers of the hard-worker who isn't detail-oriented. Very dangerous.)

Because they're soulless beings

>or doesn't have a monetary value attached to it
stats have monetary value attached to them, moron.

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>I don't understand stats, clearly, but I do have contempt for them. Let me also demonstrate some credibility by fanposting

Would be wasted space.

It's because American Sports aren't really designed to be actively watched. Well, at least the broadcast of it is
They're more designed as something to have on in the background while you do other shit. Very few actually sit and watch paying full attention, there's far too many ads to bother. You just come in and check the score every now and again, see a play or two and then zone out again.
This is particularly evident with how they have big superbowl parties where they don't really spend that much time focused on the game and a lot of people actively watch just to see the ads

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based retard

does cricket have stats?

I used to think it was because football has low scoring games, so there aren't many relevant stats like in American sports where you have bigger samples and all players in the pitch can score

But then realised rugby and cricket have similar scores to american football and baseball but they aren't obessed about stats, so it's just an american thing. So, it must have commercial reasons, like allowing sport journalists to make a show or shit like that

>This is particularly evident with how they have big superbowl parties where they don't really spend that much time focused on the game and a lot of people actively watch just to see the ads
No that's completely backwards. They place ads where people will see them. The superbowl is an adfest because everybody was already watching it. It became the biggest event to witness of the year so the companies then crammed as many specialty ads into it so that people would remember them and talk about them. That's why they make special ads for the superbowl, because they already have everyone in their seats so it's an easy kill.

The only sport where this is actually true is baseball. For everything else you have to watch the game, period

nah, I watch some nfl games and lot of nba games and they drop stats all the time

you know what's brady's passing % but literally no one knows what's messi's passing or scoring %

stats are for losers, although they can be used to prove a point

Unless they are very specific, they are irrelevant and are only used to prove a false point

If you count all situations at the same, or talk about percentage ignoring the volume, or vice versa, you are using the numbers to try to make your singular opinion an objective fact, which is a lie

I'm saying you won't get a full picture of the game unless you watch it. You can watch highlights, you can read the box score, but you need to actually watch the game to say you understand what you're talking about.

I believe baseball is the only case where you can indeed watch the highlights, read the box score, and have a full understanding of what transpired. There's a stat for fucking everything, and the game is so slow that they have nothing better to do than autistically jot it all down.

Yes, maybe it's because there is lot of dead time, and in basketball because they can talk for 40 seconds and it doesn't change much if both teams score 1 basket

In football (soccer) most games keep you on the edge even if it's 0-0, the whole game could be decided in 1 play, while in American sports you can just turn in for the last 20% of the game and won't be missing much

mate people specifically talk about the quality of the ads each year and tune in to see them
it's ridiculous

Is this bait?

I dunno what you're trying to argue by bringing up soccer. I love soccer, and would never suggest stats represent shit. You REALLY need to watch the game to know what transpired. I was only ever arguing that baseball was the one sport where stats will tell you the story.

In regards to basketball, stats absolutely do NOT tell you the story. I'll provide some examples.
In basketball, there is a stat for shots taken and shots made. Beyond that there is "trueshooting" (which is a great stat), but still doesn't tell the tale. There isn't a stat for a shot you shouldn't have taken. There isn't a stat for a shot that should have been a pass out, to use the shot clock to get a better shot. You can only know what shot is a bad shot by watching the game.

Defense is another blind spot. There are steals and blocks, and people think that means anything. Usually steals actually means you are playing BAD defense because you are gambling a lot. Good defense means staying in front of the player no matter what. People usually get steals by gambling, which means you are leaving your defensive stance and when you fail to steal, they are blowing by you. Same with blocks. A block out of bounds is fine, but what if you block it to an enemy player, and he just dunks it? No stat for that. Defense is HORRIBLY represented statistically in basketball, which is a problem because it's HALF the game. You have to watch the games to know who is a good defender, nevermind the fact that good defense is team defense, not individual defense.

I thought you were saying something different, I agree with you tho. That stuff they pulled in Moneyball could literally only happen in a sport like baseball

But again, in other sports showing random stats in every dead 10 seconds they have is just an American thing. It doesn't happen in European basketball leagues, for example

Yeah, Americans are fixated on stats. I think the guy earlier in the thread made a good point that it allows the networks to sneak in a mini commercial. First quarter stats brought to you by Pringles, or something.
People also want to feel like what they're watching is "important", so they'll invent nonsense stats like
>First player to average at least 29/8/12 on at least 45% shooting between the months of October and April when it's raining
Watch any American sport, you're going to see made up milestones like this all the time. It's eyerolling stuff.

Basically any time someone wants to use stats to explain why soccer player A is better than soccer player B you can disregard their opinion. Team sports, and especially soccer, doesn't work that way. People arguing with stats for soccer are people that aren't watching the games.

>Soccer does not.

This is a load of bull. We're only in the early stages of statistical analysis in soccer (and most sports). We haven't even the right stats to measure yet.

>defense is half the game
Have you watched basketball ever

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Yeah, when one team is on offense the other team is on defense. Defense is half the game. Do YOU watch basketball?

I’ll take that as a no

>when one team is on offense the other team is on defense. Defense is half the game.
damn, that's deep

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>the beautiful game

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or like being a tryhard beta cuck defender that contest every shot even though the chad move is to barely contest and either crash the boards or get in position to fast break the other way

Dan Gaymes shouldn't have dived like a retard the game before that then

High IQ
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