/nfl/ - 2013 throwback edition

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First thread on Yea Forums?

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HERE is the actual thread.

Nice thread, OP. I like your style.

Fuck off cuck

Fuck off OP

seriously fuck off cuck

Oof

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Why hasn't Eli retired, yet?

walterfootball.com/disastergrades.php
Based Walt absolutely dunking on Corey Colebust.
>Giants WR Corey Coleman out for season (torn ACL): 0/10 Disaster Rating
>When I saw Corey Coleman trending on Twitter, I thought he was arrested, or something of that nature. I quickly learned that he tore his ACL instead. While this sucks for Coleman, I don't know why anyone thinks this is significant.

Rekt

Poor allen Hurns

Give it to me straight, bros. Will he ever play again?

You know he wont

Yes, Deon Cain will play again and become the best colts receiver in history, surpassing Marvin Harrison

WISH I COULD TURN BACK TIEM

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YES HE WILL
HE WILL HIT CHECKDOWNS
AND CHECKDOWNS

HE'LL GET THE BALL OUT IN 0.5 MICROSECONDS BEFORE A DEFENDER CAN EVER SACK HIS BUM LEG

:(

It's over user, please just let him retire in peace

NO, NO, NO AND YOUC AN'T MAKE ME JOE THEISMAN

He was a really good receiver for a couple short stretches. I actually believed he would be legit at one point.

Its over Johnny

RedditBay?

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Bradysknee? Wow, who would have thought you would make a shitty general that no one would want to post in

>33 posts
>”no one wants to post in”

i think hes talking about the other thread made by the loser pats fan

>reading comprehension
Yep, i am speaking with a retard

better thread

>Yeah, I’m an Arizona Cardinals fan, how could you tell?

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Because you’re a manlet standing next to a regular sized car

Rude

>good thing we shipped off Odell Beckham! We’ll be much better off now
Is Gettlemen the worst GM in the league?

The problem is that he didn't identify this as a blatant tank year. Odell is a cancer, the browns won't win shit with him.

t. Eagles fan

Daniel Jones will be elite
t. AFC team fan

>lost a superbowl with TO
Yeah I bet you know a lot about not winning shit with good receivers

Yes, that's exactly why I can identify the man as a loser. Is that surprising to you? They got to that Super Bowl without him playing a snap.

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This team is going to be a dumpster fire, and they should just keep Jones on the bench until the last 4-5 games of the year so that they can still get him experience while mega-tanking

Imagine reading Odell's GQ interview where he says "I was the greatest thing to ever happen to the Giants! I'M the reason anyone was even paying attention to them! I'M the most important!!! ME!!!!!!" and still not understanding why the Giants got rid of him.

>i think hes talking about the other thread made by the loser pats fan
you mean the other thread made by a shitty troll "KingPatriotMatt" or whatever the fuck old gay's patriot troll trip is. bradysknee just admitted he made this dumpster fire of a thread.

man, the state of these threads. i think ill just come back once preseason games begin.

I made both and am not a trip

Because the Giant's organization has chosen to try and protect the fragile ego of their dinosaur quarterback rather than build a team that can win, so even though everything OBJ said was 100% true, it hurt the feefees of their aging quarterback that can't win anymore.

Remember when Odell dropped every good pass he got in the only meaningful game of his career?

Yes. I also remember when Eli was a bottom 5 quarterback for almost an entire season. That was last year.

At least Eli's most memorable plays are from games he won. Odell has never won anything. I said the Gnats should trade him after the endzone pissing incident.

>mfw I have sowed division and made everybody think everybody else is a samefag of either bradysknee or old bay to the point /nfl/ is divided into two threads
Good...good...civil war will come soon enough. Dance my monkeys, dance...

>Absent from the Cowboys' team flight to California on Thursday, Ezekiel Elliott is still absent as the team gets ready for its first training camp practice.
>NFL Network's Jane Slater reports Elliott was not on site in Oxnard, CA for the team's morning physical or conditioning run.
>Elliott also did not join the Cowboys' flight on Thursday to California despite the team being optimistic he would be on the plane.
JUST

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You must lead a really, really uneventful life if merely pretending to be stupid in front of a dozen people is a highlight.

I know, Zeke really is retarded.

>Cowboys have done an A+ job drafting the last 5 years or so
>Blows up in their face anyway because they drafted the wrong positions and refuse to factor in character when picking players

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>Zeke really is retarded.
He is, but what does that have to do with you gloating over annoying like 3 people by acting like a moron?

>defending literally any Gettleman decision
he's a complete retard. if you personally can think of a logical reason to get rid of OBJ, it certainly wasn't Gettleman's.

Yeah, Brett Favre is already in the Redskins building

jones will be occasionally elite and mostly average just like simms, warner, and eli

...

If zeke holds out and doesnt play this year, do they keep him on the books at the 3 mil hes due this year?

Think of how good the Cowboys would be if Dak could just man up and admit, "You know, I really am just a C+ QB with a B ceiling, I'll just take 20 million so Zeke and Amari can get paid"

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its worse, they really did a B grade drafting but will pay them A grade money
Jerry probably thinks he is sitting on a Sanders, Aikman, Smith, Irving in Lawrence, Dak, Zeke, Cooper with zero of the superbowls.

>The tactic of some of the most successful comedians in history.

Infamy for pretending to be stupid sounds better than being insignificant and boring.

The AFC South has the best Quarterbacks out of any division.

...lol

the AFCE does actually

>not the NFC North

Brees > Ryan > Luck >> Foles on a hot streak > Watson > Cam >> Mariota > Winston >>> Foles in a slump

I don't know if this means the NFC South is better, but I think it does.

>Darnold
>A;;en
>Rosen
user, I...

>not the NFC North
Exactly, not the NFC North

white "people" are disgusting

>he doesn't believe
gonna be the most poppin division in football after this season

Best QB division is obviously the one with Ryan, Cam and Brees. Even Mahomes and Rivers division is better than the ones you guys are mentioning...

This
When will the world realize Mulattos are the superior race? They've already proven it in the sports world; Wilson's the highest paid QB, Mahomes wins MVP, and Curry changing Basketball single handedly. They are born with the perfect balance of intellect and physical ability.

Foles
Luck
Watson
Mariota

Potentially

Foles has never succeeded over the course of a full season, and never away from Philly. It will wind up being

Luck
Watson
Foles
Mariota

Sucks being born before the mulatto asian hispanics becomes the one and only race... fuck I hate being white and I hate racist people and fuck the SJWs too.

Foles is a much different player now than what he was for the Rams. Mike Fisher almost broke the dude.

OBJECTIVE QB TIER LIST

Elite
1. Tom Brady
2. Aaron Rodgers
3. Drew Brees
4. Patrick Mahomes
5. Russell Wilson

Sub-Elite
6. Matt Ryan
7. Phillip Rivers
8. Andrew Luck
9. Ben Roethlisberger
10. Carson Wentz
11. Cam Newton

Great
12. Deshaun Watson
13. Matthew Stafford
14. Baker Mayfield
15. Dak Prescott
16. Jared Goff
17. Jimmy Garoppolo

Good
18. Kirk Cousins
19. Derek Carr
20. Marcus Mariota
21. Nick Foles
22. Andy Dalton
23. Mitch Trubisky

Unproven/Solid
24. Joe Flacco
25. Sam Darnold
26. Eli Manning
27. Lamar Jackson
28. Jameis Winston
29. Case Keenum
30. Josh Allen
31. Josh Rosen

>Mike fisher
Nice job outing yourself casual

>1. Tom Brady
dropped

...yeah...none of those guys had to work on their craft, they were all just born amazing...

Lions got Mike Daniels.

Somewhere around 25 should be fine.

Other than a few nitpicks of 2-3 spots placement, I agree pretty heavily with this and wouldn’t change the tiers themselves much, it’s close to my list in terms of tiers. The only grossly different placement I have from yours is that I think Stafford is crazy overrated by this board. I’d put him around Kirk cousins.

Snacks Harrison, Trey Flowers, Mike Daniels, A'Shawn Robinson. Lions Dline could be scary next year.

>get coached by Jeff Fisher
>reach the NFC Championship game
Is Jeff Fisher low-key ELITE?

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Penis

people actually rating saquon barkley after 1 season all I gotta say is lol

It's the truth buddy, sorry

Both

>Marcus Marquita that high
>Matthew Stamford that high
This ain’t it chief

So, will Wentz be able to step up in the postseason to make up for lacking Foles? If the Iggles make it that far, that is.

And why is Eli Manning still playing?

My favorite coach was always John Shanahan

>le 2 super bowl man
No one has been given more unearned chances than Peyton’s little brother

>1. Tom Brady
Maybe a few years ago. He's around 9th or 10th in every QB stat now. He's the GOAT and still very good, but not the best in the league currently.

Wentz should be the top of the sub-elite tier.

...

>jumps back into the playoffs

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I hope you're ready for everyone to go back to not knowing that this guy exists

>Wentz is better than guys who have actually won playoff games
No

Why are there two threads? Especially since this one came a full half hour before the other one, looking at time stamps?

A cross between this thread not having news, and the pure autism of pats fans.

Because OP was a retard that made this thread like 10 posts early last thread just so he could post his shitty meme picture of Alex Smith, and people called him out on it. He was so buttblasted about being called a retard that he made a second thread "mocking" the people that told him to stop being a retard and not to split threads early.

So now we have two shitty threads instead of one good one. Because OP is le funnay trollmaster.

youtube.com/watch?v=3r92iBo4i_8
Why can't Dak and Zeke learn a thing about class and humility from him?

He would've made it to the Super Bowl at bare minimum.

you are about 3'4, like most Mexicans

>10 posts early
9 out of the last 10 posts of every thread are people complaining that the next thread got made 10 post early.

They aren't when people just wait until 500 posts. The only people that split early are newfags and attention seeking retards.

You sound angry

This. It’s literally autistic fatasses from reddit crying that they can’t make the general with their own le funny memes
Any regard can just go to rotoworld and see headlines, I prefer the /hoc/ approach if just keeping shitposting alive

Retards are pretty annoying, yeah.

All of these were posted by me

>It’s literally autistic fatasses from reddit crying that they can’t make the general with their own le funny memes
as opposed to the shithead that made this thread early just so he could post le funny meme?

Yeah because smethbait.jpg is an Yea Forums classic
You probably came here in 2018

Yep, much better. Literally who cares about rotoworld headlines?

Stopping by to say fuck the rams

Generals prevent this site from delving into chaos. Generals need news so people don’t make separate news threads. Think about how much better...how much safer...how much more clean Yea Forums has become since the rise of the general. You wouldn’t want that to...end, would you?

I care about them more than some fag posting early just to grab attention and shitpost while trying to claim he ISNT an attention seeking dicksucker.

If you like trashy shit threads devoid of actual nfl discussion or news, go ahead and post in one of those le super funny meme threads on Yea Forums.

>doesn’t like shitposting threads
>needs all of his discussion neat and organized so he can relax while sipping his Appletini
Why even use Yea Forums?

Because I like speaking my mind. I like football, so I come here to discuss it.

Maybe I'd be more fine with OP making this thread if it were actually funny in some way, but it isn't. It's just low quality retard shit. If I want low effort shitposting, there's 100 threads for that. Can we not have 1 thread where you fucks at least keep it to 50% shitposting? And not in the OP?

For the rest of this thread, I'm just going to flood it with low quality posts to match OP's tone. I mean, it's funny, right? I'm being ironic. If you don't like it, you don't understand le funnay spirit of Yea Forums.

Tum Brudy

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whole damn north is full of scary lines

>tfw /Bills Owl 2020/

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Tam Briddy

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Bram Tady, mirite?

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>tfw u might be rite

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I can’t imagine being this assravaged about Alex smith

This lmao

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These unironically

Is Marc Bulger the most overrated QB of all time?

This

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>tfw not sure if Marc Bulger is overrated

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Well let me rephrase it then. Is an absolute garbage time stat padder who literally couldn't function without 4 hall of famers around him at all times overrated when a majority of people think he was above average?

>tfw not sure if an absolute garbage time stat padder who literally couldn't function without 4 hall of famers around him at all times overrated when a majority of people think he was above average

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Fucking awful thread.

Why aren't you sure user? Agree with me, validate my opinion which is actually fact.

>tfw not sure if Fucking awful thread.

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>tfw not sure if I want to validate ur opinion

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Blame the one autist who has nightmares about Alex Smith

Or maybe blame the one retard for hitting off this thread with a stupid shitpost because he "likes /hoc/ threads that are full of shitposts".

>This thread refuses to talk about football
>Other thread is dead as fuck

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Only one person has this many pictures of Tom Brady on their hard drive. Trip on bradysknee

I'm not bradysknee. I have those pictures because they're Tom Brady looking stupid, retard.

>Yea Forums is shit, who knew

>tfw not sure if Yea Forums is shit

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>looks stupid
>still looks better in his worst photos than you or I ever have
Truly an inspiration

berds

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Looks stupid relatively speaking. I wasn't claiming I'm more handsome.

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STOP POSTING MEMES GOD FUCKING DAMMIT IM SO TIRED OF THIS

Few nitpicks. Move goff up move dak down but overall good list

>tfw not sure whether to Move goff up move dak down

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This and move Stafford down a tier

>tfw more memes

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This, but move Goff down, move Dak up, and move Stafford up. but overall good list.

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NAH HOLD ON NAH SKEEEEUP

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will my niners be good this year bros

WE DIDN'T KNOW YOU WERE THIS BASED SKIP

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Take a good look Cowboy fans. This is your public face in media

CUT THIS FAT FUCK

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>165 replies
>40 posters
Grim

actually based as fuck. i'm on the secret communist NBA discord. skip says you guys are cool.

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offseason

>Im a communist, I swear la
>Worked all my life for the enemy but wasnt one of them
major cringe

thicc

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>this was a foul
Good call or bad call?

I THINK SKIP MIGHT HAVE BEEN SPEAKING MORE METAPHORICALLY LMAO!!

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don't slander based Leninist skip.

>offseason

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>tfw Shannonist-Leninist

Absolutely BASED

fite me!

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youtube.com/watch?v=PPfLa2SjBJU
Could he out-cuck Dan Lebatard?

>skip's hatred of lebron stems from his hatred of an undisputed ruling class that abuses low-earners and minorities
>skip loves Brady because Brady represents a man who spurns the ruling class by "doing his job", earning less, and being part of a victorious machine rather than attempting to represent the Übermensch

He's a Jew isn't he?

Goblin phenotype. Looks like he could be Chuck Schumer's cokehead cousin

Shannon gave him an N-word pass

9 mil for one year seems steep when packers were paying him 8
dont think he has ever finished a season either, reminds me of the tj lang deal
they'll stop the run for sure

e/a/gles

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>the ABSOLUTE STATE of the green gay fudgepackers

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>Erin Fraudgers

You think Mike Daniels looks forward to sacking Fraudgers?

Weebs are usually fags so probably.

>bucky brooks vs 55 scouts and executives
>his whole arguement is decline in passer rating
>his top two QBs are mahomes and philip rivers
oof

Seething green gay pissconsin fan

>fraudgers has NEVER beaten a team that has scored more points than him by the end of the 4th
OH NO NO NO NO

You think he'll actually be able to?

How bad must your training staff be if two of your WRs go down in the very first practice?

One done for the year with an ACL. How does that even Fucking happen!?

Who?

Giants.

Lmao

Giants confirmed for new Browns

How the fuck do we stop this man?

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From what, choking in the playoffs?

David Ettling will be elite.

>fraudgers has never beat a team that won the coinflip in OT
yikes

No, you idiot. Look at that picture. The man has gone from eating everything in sight to grabbing the food right out of our asses.

Rude

U don’t

>mfw it’s actually a factual stat

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Imagine being a top draft prospect and being drafted by the fucking patriots. They’ve already won over and over without you, you probably have gotten tired of seeing them win, they don’t need you at all to win. If you do win with them it will feel empty, whereas winning with any other team would feel like a big deal. You wouldn’t get to help a team with barely any playoff success win a historic and legendary owl. Would absolutely suck to be drafted by the pats.

Seething Stooler

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>2013 Throwback

Ok then, who is the best receiving TE in their PRIME

Gronkowski
Gonzales
Graham?

Gronk for prime
Gonzalez for career
Graham was always an overrated meme

Gronk.

>who is the best receiving TE in their PRIME
Gronk. Sucks his career is so short but as far as quality goes, nobody really comes close.

tony gonzales?

Over rated.

One was a broken thumb dude dont be dumb

Oh yeah, it is training camp.

Quick, how many Chorgers will be lost for the season.

Is he the biggest low key chad in the game?

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>0 missed tackles all of 2018 season

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Genuinely think my Chiefs gonna won back to back owls, but no worries the parity will return in 2021.

Don't forget that Andy Reid is prone to being insanely great before falling back to earth. What you're saying right now is verbatim with what iggle fans were saying a decade and a half ago.

REEEE STOP BEING NICE WENTZ I HAVE TO INSULT YOUR INJURIES

Is Wentz the second most overrated bum in the league behind only Rapistberger?

I mean Wentz has the throwing motion of an 8th grader. Le throw from le hip man.

At least Rapistberger has accomplished something. Wentz only accomplishes injuries.

I wish people would show more love to Dalton. My Bengals are a sleeper this year. Gonna surprise the shit out of all the haters for sure and Andy is a huge reason why.

Is the Snead extension sowing seeds for the future?

Wagner is one of the most overrated players in the league. He has literally never had to play with a bad defense around him.

The idea that he's even close to as good as Luke Kuechly - let alone better - is laughable and reeks of racial bias.

>never had a bad defense behind him
>last 3 seasons

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>defense is obviously tired and frustrated during the final drive in overtime.
>does not use a final timeout even when there is no reason not to.
was he trying to cautious because of how many times people have criticized him for his clock management or something? why would he not use a timeout?

Wentz wins the MVP this year don't @ me

NFCCG berth this year. Anything to shut that fag up.

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Hard to win MVP when you miss the playoffs

>thinks Wentz is bad
>thinks Dalton is good
Thanks for letting us know your opinion is worthless.

Might as well not prolong the inevitable. Let the touchdown happen, fire your senile DC, really get the future started

>cowcucks
>conference championship game
Ahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha

It's going to happen again one of these days and you faggots will no longer have anything to shitpost about.

AAAAAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

Ok well compare their throwing motion and footwork alone. Dalton much better hands down, kiddo.

Wentz is the check down king though and his weapons do all the work for him so he pads his stats.

Real life isn't a madden game.

#metoo

With zeke holding out, the cowspics are fucked. Dak is average at best, and cooper is too lazy to carry him.

Sorry pal but you are fucked.

Eagles are fucked too, so I pick the Redskins to take the east.

Wish my Bengals were in the NFC east. It would be constant 10 win seasons with minimal effort.

>Bungholes fan talking down to anyone else
Even the Browns are better than your fucking squad now. Enjoy 5-11.

WHO DEY
WHO DEY
WHO DEY THINK GON LOSE TO DA BENGALS

>I pick the Redskins to take the east.
based

>I pick the R*dskins to take the east

so retards are allowed to post on /nfl/ that's nice

And ur one of them lmao

Daniel Motherfucking Jones

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>Mariota above Winston

Based and redpilled

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Can't spell Elite without Jones

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yall finna regret sleeping on my jets

But Twitter dot com told me Jones was the biggest bust of all-time. This video is clearly doctored.

But even if that happens, it's still just one ahahahahahahaha

>Dak Prescott
>great
idk if you thought you could sneak that one in there but you’re wrong.

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Who?

thicc you say?

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Dayyymmmn

Lebatard is great for corporate standards but a true comrade. Skip will help us overthrow the Bourgeoisie

finna look stupid after we get a WC game and blow out the browns or some other shit meme team, Darnold about to break out this year

Every time I watched Darnold in college he shit the bed anytime it actually mattered. Did it with the game on the line against the Browns last year too. He's another Carson Palmer at best which is basically the ceiling for any >USC QB

Lol your opinion is immediately discarded when you try to argue the impact the college the player went to has on their potential. Yea Forums is full of these "le madden curse" and other fucking psychotic curse memes.

you've got guaranteed money once the pats dump you after you fail to make yourself outstanding. its probably the best place for a rookie to start.

The Bills are the next AFC East powerhouse. The Jets will remain the Jets

>samefag samefagging the same fag no one cares about
>unpadded practice runs at half speed is super impressive

Imagine the smell

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dear god please let the saints win this year before brees retires, were going to be trash without him, let him get a ring and then retire in peace

>Wentz is the check down king though
>Eagles are fucked too, so I pick the Redskins to take the east.
youtube.com/watch?v=_n5E7feJHw0

you're going 7-9 watching Brees and Payton retire with one bloodstained ring as your new primadonna WR cripples your finances for the next decade and you're gonna fucking like it

>All these players thinking their hot shit
Maybe people should try learning from BB and telling greedy players to fuck off.

>implying Sindrome won't lead them to new heights

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>theyre*
And that really only works if you're as good as BB and any average player looks good in your system

Will the NFL community implode if the Patriots win their 7th?

Not implode, but non-Patriots fans are tired of seeing them win I think. Then again, if the Saints make the owl last year and lose, I'm not sure people are still as salty and sulky about the Pats winning. Probably would have found it exciting for Brees and Brady to face off.

Nah, everyone is just numb to the Pats at this point and has been since Russell Wilson threw it

bigger implosion if steelers or browns win the SB.

Or chiefs, or just about any contender from the AFC minus the colts.

Anyone got the FO Almanac this year?

>training camp live tweeting

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>9th or 10th

name at least 8 other QBs that are better at the position than him right now. I can count 4 and that's pushing it

>Giants’ WR Golden Tate is appealing a four-game suspension for violating the NFL’s Performance Enhacing Substance policy and believes he has legitimate case, league sources tell ESPN.

AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

>let a 70 year old man complete THREE straight 3rd and 10s in your house in OT

berds

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Awkward...

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Howie has to be a genius right

I guarantee he knew that nigger would pop

>giants in charge of having receivers

who /doubledigitwins/ here?

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Jesus fucking christ who is even LEFT on the WR corps for the Giants now? I had them at maybe 5-11 or 4-12 this year, but they're making an actual case for 0-16.

I'm a browns fan but I think 11-5 is the ceiling and 10 is pushing it still

Last season he was 12th in rating, 13th in yards/attempt, 11th in adjusted yards/attempt, 8th in net yards/attempt and ANY/A, 13th in int%, 18th in completion%, 9th in >qbr. There's not recorded QB stat that he's higher than 7th (total yards).
I know stats aren't everything. Note that I never said he's the 10th best QB. But he's definitely not the best.

11-5 is really, really, really optimistic. I went through the season, and I ended with them 10-6, obtaining a wild card, but losing the division to the Steelers.

Seriously, try going through the whole season by game by game picking it and see what you come up with. You might be surprised.

Last season he had the worst set of receivers around him since 2013 (big surprise he looked bad that year too)

you're right, i misread. that's actually fair. what confused me is a lot of the PFF ratings still has him near the top, and had him 4th overall for last season.

I did see a dropoff, but i'd still put him top 5. I'd also still want him over brees which a lot of people disagree with

Darius Slayton

Because throw for throw if you go past box score stats Brady was still very good, he had a few performances where the entire team showed up and he looked awful in but aside from that he was only a little bit worse than last year

entire team didn't show up*

>what confused me is a lot of the PFF ratings still has him near the top, and had him 4th overall for last season.
Because they look at actual plays an analytics and not blank, contextless stats. That's why despite Aaron Rodgers and Tom Brady looking like shit on paper, they're still elite quarterbacks when you analyze their play. Football stats, and particularly traditional quarterback stats, are way too reliant on other players to actually get a great measure of how a quarterback is playing. Stats don't care about how the game is played, it just cares about outcomes. So if Drew Brees does a 2 yard dumpoff to Kamara, and he runs for a 20 yard TD, that's a TD on Brees' record.

If Brady does an entire drive down the field of stellar passes, and Sony Michel pounds it in at the 2 yard line, that's 0 TDs. All football stats are like that right now which is why deeper analytics are more helpful.

I'd argue that looking at a lot of different stats together mitigates that a fair amount

Now that I think of it, any receiver that touches the Giants in the last decade just seems to be fucked, have bad shit happen to them, or get mismanaged
>victor cruz ded
>will tye replaced without giving him a fighting chance after leading TEs on the team
>plaxico burress shoots his leg all the way to Pitts”berg”
>Hakeem Nicks gets molested to injury every other play
>obj signed and traded in a year on a huge wr contract
>golden tate peds
>1st rounder evan engram used as little as possible
>marshall getting interceptions on him from deepball 1v1s because rookie cornerbacks tried some insane new defensive tactic known as “jumping” and “not trying to basket catch near your knees”, unlike Marshall

If you’re a wide receiver and you touch the giants, you either fuck it up or you get fucked up. A shame too, I like Sterling Shepard and the hustle he gives on every play

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All I know is that I've never seen QBs throw passes to more open targets and so severely open targets as Goff and Mahommes last year

Brady and Rodgers both would have put up like 40 TDs and 4 INTs with those offenses

It doesn't, because football stats are all notoriously shitty and reliant on other players' performance. Quarterbacks stats are, to a fair degree, reliant on wide receiver performance. If your WRs are low quality, they'll poorly reflect QB performance substantially over a season. The reverse is true as well.

Aaron Rodgers last season and Tom Brady are prime examples. When you examine their play, nothing really changed on their end. Tom Brady's long pass accuracy is slightly down from previous years, but the rest of his performance is essentially identical.

Traditional football stats just suck. It's the simple truth.

>the absolute state of the Giants WR corps

To go into this, let's look at the basic stats for quarterbacks and how much of them directly reflect a QBs performance and have nothing to do with other players.

Yards: determined by other players(how open your receiver is/how good the defenses you face are/whether a player breaks a tackle/the level of talent you have on offense)

Completions: Entirely dependent on receiver performance, as receivers can skew this both ways(catch bad passes, miss easy catches), and this stat is also heavily skewed by playcalling(long passes=worse completion #, all short dumpoff passes=more completions), this stat doesn't care about how heavily covered a receiver is or how difficult the catch is

Attempts: Dependent entirely on playcalling and how the play develops

Completion %: See above with Completions

TD: Playcalling, receivers, field position, and the quality of your running backs in the redzone etc effect this because running it in is better than throwing it in in almost all cases.

Int: Receiver fault(tips/wrong route/etc) doesn't matter, this stat is always counted against the QB regardless of circumstances.

Passer Rating: An amalgamation of the aforementioned stats that is so heavily skewed by team performance that it essentially means nothing.

Do you get the idea? None of these stats measure the things that matter to a QB. How accurate are his throws? Short/medium/far? How badly is he affected by interior pressure? Exterior? How much does his accuracy suffer if he rolls out? Is he choosing the right targets on a play? Is he missing open targets? Can he extend a play? How well does he throw when perfectly protected? Analytics looks at all of these things that matter. Traditional stats don't mean very much, period.

PFF had him 5th for 2018 behind (in order) Brees, Mahomes, Luck, Rivers.
If you want to argue that Brees and Mahomes were better last season, sure, but in no universe can you convince me that Luck and Rivers were better at any point in time

I've got swept the bengals split with pittsburgh and Baltimore. Win Titans, Jets, 49ers, Broncos, Bill's, Dolphins, and Cardinals. Broncos are the maybe, maybe not that's why I'm at 10 or 11 as a ceiling

4th. He pulled ahead of Rivers at the very end of the year.

Coleman would not have make the roster anyway.

Well, I didn't notice the city of Golden Tate

>Gnats

>preseason in five days
Are we gonna make it

whats the problem here? the narrative is daniel jones had nobody good to play with

well rodgers will be running the shanahan derivative offense like mcvay, lets see if lafleur can scheme it up and if the theory holds

mastermind gettlemen emulating the reciever talent jones had at duke to make him feel comfortable

for the record i agree, i think mahomes had a better season but he's the only one. last season i believe he had a better season than brees, luck, rivers and rodgers

rewind to 1 year ago:

Dude Kaepernick is better than Mahomes, it's bullshit that no team will sign him

>melvin gordon holds out
>team is 4-0 without him last season
>expects a bigger contract a la Bell
>doesn't show up in big games
He gone

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Kek

>WRs having any bearing on W-L record

Wide receiver is the most overrated position in the league. For fuck's sake, Gettleman has a Super Bowl roster with Ted Ginn (drop artist), Jerricho Cotchery (old), Corey Brown (literally who), and Devin Funchess (meh) as the WR corps.

No one would have said that. Mahomes had played one game (a week 17 game with starters rested) at this time a year ago.

That team had a great defense and QB though. Usually successful teams that are shitty at a somewhat important position like WR make up for it with an elite group somewhere else.

>WRs having any bearing on W-L record
They do when you don't even have any second string guys left. I agree that they're overrated, but they're also necessary to keep defenses honest.

people were saying in the week 1 thread that the chiefs would be a better team with kaepernick and that mahomes will be a bust

>Cam Newton throwing more dragons in two days of practice than he did in all of 2018
>Finally has a non-brick hands receiving corps

Who can stop him?

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Anyone who speculates like that on a guy that's never played a meaningful game in the NFL are just talking out there ass. You shouldn't take it as anything significant.
And really, all they were saying was that they would have preferred a known quantity over a crapshoot.

Hi Ennefell, I’m a gnatsfag who wasn’t old enough to see the rivalry between John Stallworth and Lynn Swann. I just saw that video by NFL: A Football Life about their rivalry and found it extremely fascinating. I was extremely glad when Lynn Swann said “If this is the greatest houry of my life, it will only be a half-hour. It will only be a full hour when John Stallworth is wearing a gold jacket and making this speech.”
>two players that go from hating each other into swearing on each others’ greatness

Do any oldfags have any stories or moments of watching them play or their antics on the sideline?

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GETTLEMAN DIDN'T FUCKING DO ANY TO HELP THAT SB PANTHERS TEAM

ALL THE KEY COMPONENTS WERE DRAFTED WELL BEFORE HE GOT OT THERE AND LARGELY ALL HIS DRAFTS AND SIGNINGS WERE BUST

a big hit to his ligaments

Kawann Short, Star Lotulelei, Trai Turner, Andrew Norwell, Shaq Thompson, and Kurt Coleman don't exist. None of them. We made them up.

>Giants get their RB high in the draft last year
>QB high in the draft this year

Jerry Jeudy confirmed for NYG next year

His shoulder and or a d linemen who is angry

his ego.

>Matt Khalil
>Kelvin Benjamin
>Vernon Butler
>Devin Funchess
>Shaq Thompson and Star Loulelei were disappointments
>Kony Ealy
>Hated by the former players
>Ran off Josh Norman

He fucking sucked.

>cancerous and shit players you inexplicably miss
For me its Jermaine Gersham
>involved in a play
>flag thrown
>repeat for 4/5 plays every game
>probably didnt finish last season without negative total yards
>tried going 1 on 1 with various seakeks at least twice over african american things
>constantly fightin’ round the league
>BA knew how to talk him down
>nice guy IRL tho
All we had was memes, but they were good memes.

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Shaq has been in a rotational role behind Thomas Davis his whole career and has improved statistically every single season. Lotulelei's job was to eat the double team and allow K.K. to roam free and he was excellent at it. Short wasn't nearly as good last year with Poe next to him while Star's anchoring a pretty stout defense in Buffalo.

Gettleman was also right about Norman. He hasn't been close to an All-Pro on the Redskins. Overpaid and underproducing.

Current consensus from you guys, do you guys believe the Giants can beat the Bucs next year. Because, if they don't, the Giants will start 0-4

Jets are gonna win da AFCE

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Sure, they can. Who knows if they will.

Nope, enjoy the second coming of Jameis Winston

>Golden Tate suspended for four games for fertility drug use
W-what?

it's actually a rather important game beause it's pretty much the barometer for the team.

Because if they can't beat the Bucs, then they can't beat the Lions, and that point, they can't be literally anyone before the bye with the exception of the Cardinals which means the Giants would start the season 1-9 before the bye. And then after the bye, the only team they could beat are the Dolphins

He’s had like 3 by now, my dude

>“This past April, during the offseason, my wife and I decided to see a specialist for fertility planning,” Tate said. “I started the treatment prescribed to me and just days later I discovered it contained an ingredient that is on the league’s banned substance list. I immediately discontinued use, I reported the situation to the Independent Administrator of the NFL Policy on Performance-Enhancing Substances, and I spoke with my coaches and general manager. I did all of this well before a failed test was even confirmed.”
If he did in fact report it right away and can show convincingly that he didn't know about the ingredient, he has a decent shot at an appeal.

>Teams stay exactly the same from year to year
>Teams are exactly the same at the start of the year as they are at the middle of the year and end of the year

Do you think there's any point at which they bench Eli?

So you think the Giants are gonna beat the Cowboys, Patriots, Vikings, Bears, Packers, Redskins, Bills, or Eagles?

Woops, mean for
Also, I think they'll bench Eli at week 6.

he won a super bowl twice... sometimes yall act like Eli is fucking Joe Flacco

mike mayock more like dyke gayock lmaooo

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2x SB champ ELIte Autism Eli has been gone for 3 years dude.

Not him, but tbf NFCE division games are always a shitshow crapshoot. I wouldn't be surprised if the giants split with the cowboys or eagles.

>he has a decent shot at an appeal
More than likely. Even then, a potential four game ban for this seems incredibly harsh.

>yall
Fucking dropped, nigger

They might win a wild card for real, tho. I actually think all AFCE teams are candidates for Wild Card status this year, sorta. Even the Dolphins if Fitzpatrick can play elite for a few games like he did last year. Unlike many other garbage teams this year, they all seem to have the potential to do decently. Though I do think the order is Jets>Bills>Dolphins.

Cowboys fan here. I hope Zeke sits atleast half the season so Daks bitchass can finally get fully exposed. No need pay that bum as much or more than Wince.

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>$3,090,360,030.25 Mauritanian ouguiya

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>sometimes yall act like Eli is fucking Joe Flacco
Because he is? That's actually a really good comparison for the most part. If anything, Flacco has been a lot more consistent than Eli even if he's a little worse overall. Eli is streaky, but he's been bad way more often than he's been good, and he hasn't been good for a very, very long time. Eli and Joe Flacco are closer overall than most QB comparisons.

I think that darnold really improves his game, and training camp shows that. I know gase isnt the best coach, but if he can give darnold good lessons, maybe it can happen. Then again the schedule sucks ass

+1 upvote Friend. Quality post.

Did Brett Favre and Tom Brady ever play each other? I can't remember them ever matching up, but I don't know how to look it up and Google results are shitty about it.

>dyke gayock
>not dyke gaycock
so close

What about Cooper tho?

acmepackingcompany.com/platform/amp/2014/11/26/7292719/packers-patriots-history-green-bay-trails-5-4-super-bowl-xxxi
trounced him in gillette, got roasted in lambeau
pack vs pats have had really weird games in general. the closest one by far was matt flynn led packers

It seems to me common sense would dictate that a player shouldn't put anything that isn't food in his body without running it past the team's medical dept. It should also be a team policy since it can result in gorillion dollar players screwing up game plans when they fuck up.
"I accidentally some fertility meds" shouldn't be an excuse.

LOBs been dismantled 3 years ago...

Fraud

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Baker not in the top 10?

So they went 1-1 and blew each other out on the road. That is pretty weird.

>le grabs crotch man
Baker is a disgrace

It's 2-1 in favor of Brady. 28-10 Favre Win. 35-0 Brady win. And 28-18 Brady win when he was on the Vikings. The two games when Favre was on the Jets, Brady was injured.

don't @ me

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lol they're going to win 9 games at most

10-6 is their floor this year

Nope. Floor is 6-10, ceiling is 11-5. They'll likely finish within 1 game of .500

>lose to iggles at home
>win away

why

>win against NO

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That's what everyone said last year too

Is Antonio Brown legit [spoiler] retarded?

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Chiefs are going 18-1 and there's nothing you can do to stop Andy Reid from getting on his knees at the superbowl and breakdown into an unconscionable cry, where he stays for the next 4 hours after the NFC team wins.

reminder we missed the rex-favre timeline and got stuck with the fucking vikings favre instead

reminder vikings were supposed to win the SB that year, but they couldn't stop Sean Paytons bounty gate which they didn't know about.

How can they make the Super Bowl when they can't even win more than one game in the playoffs?

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gonna get dabbed on by the packers again

>AJ Green dead

Training camp is always a favorite of mine because it just devolves into a random roulette of which big name player is going to suffer a season-ending injury. Guys aren't in football shape and they're basically ticking time bombs.

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Swap Rasm with Taints.

>How can a coach that made the SB before with a less strong team make the SB again

please stop.

Like it matters? He may as well not play.

Is old bay legitimately old?

Yes but less retarded than ravens fans believing LJ will be good this year.

Are you confident Andy Reid and his quadroon can stand in the way of
>SEVEN
I guess we see in January.

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for still living with his parents? Yes.

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I think Andy Reid can beat Bill Belichick at least 35% of the team.

The odds are not in Reid's favor, there's only one better coaching talent in the NFL than Reid, and it's Belichick who also has the most dedicated, talented, and high IQ QB to have ever played the game under center.

With that said, it's a possibility Reid can still meme his way to a win against them, and manage to actually make a superbowl.

AJ Green is kill

welp, there goes the bengals season

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AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA GET FUCKED SHITSINASTY

Oh, was that the only thing standing in their way of a playoff win?

Ceiling is 16-0
Floor is 16-0

get dabbed on faggot

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They got Robert Mathis for it back when he was still a star. I’d be shocked if Tate gets out of it.

is that real?

No. I'm already deaf.

The NFC East is pretty meme-y

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>Take fertility drug to knock up your wife
>four games
>Knock out your wife
>No games

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Lads I think my girlfriend might be pregnant, what should I do? She’s post-op but I could have sworn she didn’t have a uterus, just a vagina. Didn’t think she would actually be able to get pregnant and I’ve been raw dogging her because of that.

>reddit bay

In fact, the Cowboys and the Eagles both have the exact same winning record since re-alignment in away games against each other.

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Has that faggot GetBrady ever posted anything real?

>you
>in charge of looking at trip codes

>actually memorizing tripcodes
Bit gay innit

>This town has a football team

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>memorizing
Dude, the two posts you are talking about itt have different codes. It's not that difficult.

BradysKnee is a notorious samefagger and falseflagger

There are shitty areas in every city in the country.

...is this actually Old Gay?

Wonder what political party has controlled Baltimore for the past 50 or so years...

Not as bad as baltipoors slums.

Reminder that old gay literally paid money to have sex with this woman.

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I remember that. Wasn't he bullshitting saying how he had a chance to fuck a "pornstar" and this is the hog he actually wanted to PAY to fuck?

Oldgay allegedly had sex with his mentally impaired sister (per sources).

That one that Me and Brady's Sixth Knee Ring is always shilling for.

Unironically obsessed and this isn't your faggot blog

I unironcally could see this happening. Didn’t realize how cupcake your schedule was

cry more, reddit bay
archive.4plebs.org/sp/thread/87821691/#87823776
archive.4plebs.org/sp/thread/87821691/#87824554

DELUSIONAL

COWGIRLS ARE GOING 6-10

NFC South then the NFC North are the 2 best for QBs

>NFC North
fucking lol

Bad, arm hit him on his pads and it basically gave the Saints the win in that gane

I mean how much did he pay? I'd toss her a $20-$50 for a good sukk & fukk

$200

HAHAHAHA that fucking loser will
DO ANYTHING for a little bit of attention

Yikes, pretty sure chink rub and tug whores will let you fuck for less. And be hotter

>Bradysknee falseflags as a ravens fan as LJGOAT
>now >Reddit Bay is falseflagging as a pats fan as BasedBelichick
This blows
Also, /Bills Owl 2020/

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Don't forget that random fag "KingPatriotMatt" or whatever the fuck his name is. Ironic shitposting/false flag trips should be bannable. It's just lazy shitposting and nobody is fooled by it.

Well, he was close to being right, and he was right insofar as the Chiefs offense was record breakingly amazing. Literally top 3 of all time, so it's understandable to have that opinion. A shame they ran into the GOATS.

>Brady and Rodgers would have less touchdowns than Mahomes in an easy system
Oh no, how terrible

Darius slayton has a hammy and isnt practing

Who said anything about irony? I love my Pats and you can’t stop me

>trips should be bannable
This. You don’t even need the rest of that sentence.

Only two things come out of Texas... I am pretty sure you don't got horns.

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>35-0 brady win

also i was watching randy moss highlights earlier from his '07 season. every time i looked at the scoreboard it was like the 2nd quarter and the game was basically already over. they blew teams out left right and centre

that '07 team was riduclous

>Implying blacks have not historically voted Republican.

Trip on.

Reminder that Joshua Allen is going to become the next great NFL QB and you can't do a diggity dang thing about it.

The 2010 team was better.
>Edelman, Gronk, Welker, Hernandez
>Lose to the fucking Jets

>suspending Welker in a playoff game for cheeky footfag bantz
shig

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So where is he going after the Bills to make this happen?

I love that jacket. Browns still sell them?

>trushitty
>statpadford
>84 million guaranteed
are you even trying?

take me back to when the jets were good

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>tfw the only "good times" in your team's history are Joe Namath and the Butt Fumble

no not really.

Look at this absolute Juice Monster

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but the jets are good? 8-8 at worst this season.

Why would he convert to QB?

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That's not George Kittle.

For me? It’s pretending to be Old Bay pretending to bradysknee pretending to be Old Bay pretending to be BasedBelichick

I think the mods need to ban all you cunts and stop this eternal faggotry before the season starts.

just filter all tripfaggots

#Notalltripniggers

Just ban them. They still overflow.

Nick Foles

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but I am the real BB?

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Is Zeke dead?

Yeah. As is Gordon.

No, but he's a bust

We'll trade him for draft picks Herschel Walker style.

Zeke will be flipped to the Buccs for a pair of 2nds

Noticing that Baltimore is a diseased hovel full of murderers is racist or something.

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>yfw da bears win da superb owl

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It's especially funny to me that they could have just rested their starters and played the Vikings.

>tripcode
I agree, very disgusting

Show respect to your superiors.

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I think the people that have all these soiboi pictures saved are usually guys like this

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What chance is there that the Bears regress this season? Keep in mind, they went 12-4 while having the absolute easiest schedule in the league by far, and faced almost zero real teams.

If da burrs really did win da superb owl in the internet era, would it kill the meme or make it stronger?

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Burrposting would completely take over Yea Forums for who knows how long

the latter

We must ensure this beautiful vision comes to pass.

Would make it way stronger. Good thing it'll never happen with a quarterback like Trubisky at the helm.

It literally only didnt happen because of a DOINK

Nigga, that was a wild card game. They weren't even at the DOORSTEP of the super bowl. Not even in the same town, dawg. Come on now.

You heard me :^)

Brady would have bootyblasted chimpcongo back to the stone age

Well, yeah. I heard you. The problem is you was wrong, diggity dawg. Very wrong, nigga dawg nigga. You done fucked up and flipzipped the script pippity dipt.

You just made a powerful enemy, son

would have lost to the viqueens too.

>preseason starts in days
finally something to talk about

Oh yeah, I love talking about practice squads and teams halfassing it. Face it, football isn't starting for another month.

Bobby got paid, congrats Bob

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he deserves it a lot more than other players getting paid

Eli is fucking terrible. I aint gonna make this a webm because i dont want it in my phone. Design an offense around YAC and he throws into the dirt or behind the receiver for a "completion"

mobile.twitter.com/rydunleavy/status/1155196295646236672

new in a few shitposts

>Eli is fucking terrible.
No fucking shit. He's been shit for like half a decade.

Browns have some pretty kino jerseys with an interesting color scheme unlike the smattering of blue red white and green teams with boring uniforms. Shame their team is shit so the aesthetic is automatically associated with shit.

This meme is old and should probably retire.

People are eventually going to talk about how Belichick is overrated or forget him just like coaches like Shula.

>posting early
Shiggy diggy

lmfao

about 95% they at least drop another game

Probably more than that, honestly.

Tyron Smith or Aaron Donald. Maybe Brady too.

its a distribution, probably 50% they drop more than 2

New Thread:

Gotta milk that meal ticket. He can't maintain his lifestyle very long on a pension and part-time basket weaving alone.

Don't steroids make your dick smaller though

I doubt Eli even clothes himself. He probably isn't even in charge of his own money.