/nfl/: QB rankings according to PFF edition

I want to ____ Tony Romo

What’s the deal with these /hoc/-tier OPs lately?

ynr /nfl/ splitting into /afc/ and /nfc/ for a few weeks

unironically a good idea

It was funny because back then /afc/ was the more tolerable general because there were eight quintillion nfc tripfags back then, but if it happened again it would be the opposite since >we would be stuck with Old Gay and Bradysknee’s six million trips in /afc/

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Phillip Rivers is not better than Rodgers or Wilson

Why do people suck Russell Wilson’s dick when he had a Ferrari of a team his first four years in the league? In the only two years where he had a bad or average team (17 and 18) he missed the playoffs once and went one and done the other time. It’s easy to post “good” numbers when you’re always in the bottom quarter of teams for passes attempted. Does Yea Forums just over correct for the fact he was underrated to start his career?

No

Because he is a good quarterback

Good, yes. Great, even. In the same tier (for career) as Brady, Brees, Rodgers? People acting like he’s already a Hall of Famer? Fuck no.

Probably because Wilson has at least 3 games each year that the Seahawks shouldn't win but do thanks to some bullshit he pulls out of his ass. (See: vs. Panthers, Week 12 last year)

He's handsome

I've been a trip since 2012. Fuck off, I'm literally a fixture of spee

I don't think anyone thinks he's already a hall of famer. He's definitely a top 5 QB in the league right now.

no

berds

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>reddit bay

>I don't think anyone thinks he's already a hall of famer.
Welcome to your first /nfl/ thread

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rosen is shit
t. lifelong fins fan that will not be rooting for him or them until he is gone

Speaking of rankings, I still have this on my computer, for some reason

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Grim

Why does Peyton get a based pokemon?

Ravens are clearly Alakazam crossed with Machamp since their style of play is extremely high IQ with a physicality none can match

I believe this was made due to the QB's perceived ability at the time, which I think was before the 2012 season

Because he makes this general seethe like none other, even three years after retirement people can’t handle Good Ol’ Boy banter

rodgers is elite

>"haha very funny let's put rodgers in second tier just for the (You)'s lol"

Who is the Hank Venture of the NFL?

>injury prone babby

Is thinking Wentz is good the worst /nfl/ meme?

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Sure....

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>reddit bay

Surprisingly accurate.

Eagles Vick should be Aerodactyl desu

Name one season in which Rivers has been better than Rodgers

It's incredible how similar Jones' circumstances are to Simms'.

>Giants are a laughingstock at the end of the 1970s
>Take a small-school QB high in the Draft
>Simms pick gets booed viciously and Giants get dragged for "reaching"

I think I’m addicted to cocaine, bros.
Wat do?

If Rivers played for GB he'd have 3 rings.

>you now remember Josh Freeman

Rivers is shit, he was always a meme QB

Exactly

>reddit bay

it very clearly says PFF rating, even if youre right

wew

>reddit bay

Is that John skelton

Based and Boyzpilled

>the lowest point total Mahomes has ever put up has been 26
>Dak has twenty-four (24) games lower than that
Lmao

AFC vs NFC. If the cowboys and chiefs swapped divisions the cowboys would have 53 rings right now

You're really trying hard for the "worst trip" title, huh?

Trip on Brady’s sixth knee

Nice try, but no. He's around 5th worst.

>he
You are him

K

Bradys knee is the worst. Iron giant is a legit retard.

>preseason right around the corner
>/nfl/ is dead

This is where I want preseason to happen already and before I know it, it's 8 weeks in, then the Owl, and back to the offseason in the blink of an eye.

because this was like 2012 newkike

Fuck off reddit bay

If every tripfag in /nfl/ died tomorrow, literally nothing of value would be lost

>buttfumble as metapod
jej

Reddit Sox got dabbed on AGAIN today

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I’m sorry I haven’t been a loser as long as you.

Duh. No one contests this.

>Christian ponder
>josh freeman
>Brandon weeden
>Jake locker
>whoever the fuck that is on the cards and chiefs
Jesus Christ almighty

>reddit bay

Chefs is Matt Cassel. Cards is John Skelton I think.

How come the early 2010s produced such shit QBs outside of Cam, Luck, and Wilson?

>reddit bay

Chad Bay keeps this general alive.

Guys, the bombston reddit sux got dabbed on AGAIN today by a superior sports city.

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Hasn't Newton noticeably declined?

>79 / 9 / 27 / 1
>schizo bay

Not really

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>reddit bay

Newton hasn't been right since he partially tore his rotator cuff but everything since January seems to suggest that the cleanup of scar tissue from his '17 surgery worked. I expect him to ball out this year, especially now that he has an actual receiving corps and an improved line. He's probably moving into that same phase Vick moved into when he went to the Eagles and became more of a slow pocket passer.

Foles?
Cousins is a meme but he isn’t terrible for being the 4th best QB in his class

He's been a pocket passer for a while now. People just assume he's a scrambler because he's black.

wow, the browns haven't done anything and the stoolerfags are preemptively seething

lol yeah you see people say mahomes is a scrambler here

Wow the reddit sox had 1 [one] hit against the fully rebuilding orioles today, and this was after getting BTFO by them on Friday. Boston sports are a fucking joke.

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Any other Panthersbros see All or Nothing?

Some thoughts:

>I won't get my hopes up, but hopefully this series dispels all the "Cam isn't a good leader/teammate" shit
>Ron is even more based than I thought and Eric Washington has that same fire too. He's got such a poker face when talking to the media that he became an easy target but then you watch him go fucking ham on the defense and you realize he's got *it*
>D.J. Moore and Devin Funchess are polar opposites. Moore makes a mistake and it doesn't phase him. Funchess is up in his feelings a lot and seems like he's the sort of player who gets paranoid about the media/feels like he gets singled out if the team loses
>I don't think All or Nothing was completely fair to Donte Jackson. It's like they chose his one bad game and decided to focus on that.
>David Tepper is based and basically just a normal person with a lot of money. Him wanting to fight that drunk dude is hilarious.
>I fucking miss TD

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I never suggested he was a scrambler, but I think the Panthers relied on his athleticism for too long and assumed that if the protection broke down he'd just find a way to get out of trouble. They'll keep all the designed run stuff but he's 30 now so he's not going to be as effective running the ball as he used to be.

It'll only be a year, he's the one of the worst qbs in history.

t. Cards fan that took last year off

Steve Wilks is a good coach. Your team fucked up by making him the fall guy for Keim's incompetence and hiring Chip Kelly 2.0 to replace him.

>reddit bay spamming off topic
Fuck off, god damn

Wilson is basically a HOFer already though. You don't bother to watch Shithawk games and just look at the scoreboard at the end of the game

Wilks is Hue level of incompetence, this is Keim last chance. His biggest mistake was not drafting a qb 3 years ago, when he was GM of the year.

RE: 94368636
>assblasted reddit sox jerk off

>tfw you will never take a hot milf out on a date for your 16th birthday

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She's a midget.

Yeah, because drafting stiffs like Robert Nkemdiche and Hasaan Reddick when you could have had Chris Jones and T.J. Watt is surely setting your HC up for success.

>hanging out with instaTHOTs in your prime instead of bro'ing down

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Gronk is 100% Brock. That can't be denied.

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This list is by Bleacher Report
It’s correct

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>Aikman at 6
>Namath at 7

Oh, dear.

He’s a virgin fasho tho. You gotta firmly grasp that shoulder and tilt your head down to shown ownership over her

I watch several Seahawks games as a rams fan

>alex smith is the 25th best QB of all time

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>tfw no gf with the same birthday as me
>tfw no gf to take to get ice cream on this hot summer day
>tfw no gf with boobs the size of baseballs
>tfw no gf to talk about nfl with
>tfw no gf to make Cloverfield-style videos with
>tfw no gf to read my smut
>or watch my youtube videos
>tfw no gf that teaches me how to play guitar
>tfw no gf to kiss while she’s talking
>tfw there are people in this world that have a gf like this
I have let 3 girls get away since 2016 and I spend an unhealthy amount of time imagining sex fantasies with girls who I will never ever ever see again. I can’t remember the last time I was happy.
I promise I will leave /nfl/ forever when I get a cute gf

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who?

>Marino, Aikman, and Namath that high
>warner in the top 10
>everything from 19 and above
It’s like if you didn’t actually watch football and just went based off of the jerseys you saw at a sports store

i would agree but he went vegan, so injuries incoming

part of it is he isnt a great passer either

>Waren Moon
>Smeth not top 3
>no Y.A. Tittle

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He's still a HOFer. Obviously he needs another ring, an MVP or several more seasons of high level play before he can be considered a first round ballot but if Eli Manning is making it into the HOF so will Wilson

>Carson Palmer

Wha-

You have 2.43 seconds to name a better movie than Sharkey's Machine.

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35-3 wasn’t moon’s fault, unlike how Ryan could’ve prevented 28-3 himself

>I can’t remember the last time I was happy.
wish i could tell you it gets better

>aikman
>namath
>staubach
>bradshaw
>warner
>top 10
terrible
>no starr or otto
>all this recency bias
god awful

I was actually pointing out how they spelt Warren wrong. He's objectively top 25 all time so there's nothing wrong with his rank

lmao, sure Phil

wait where is nick foles
also goof and dalton that high
wentz should be bumped up to the next tier
kirk should be BOTTOM tier
move joe flacco to elite

Yeah, that's the thing to me: he does a lot of fantastic stuff with wacky pressure, but sometimes you wonder if he put himself in that position in the first place. I definitely think you could make an argument for ~Top 5 without too much trouble.

The only big bullshit to me is that he's being paid like the best QB, and not because of his ability. The Seahawks were like 27th in pass attempts last year: you can't tie up that kind of money in a player you don't use enough to live up t the price tag.

Did you watch him in 2017 when he was their only form offense? I'm pretty sure Wilson went 14 or so games straight without his running backs scoring a single rushing touchdown

why do people keep posting something that has already been proven to be false several times?

>smeth.
based.
everything else is cringe doe.

Because I hate you.

that makes her 1100x more sexy

its a virtue signal and if there is one thing people from shittle love it’s virtue signaling

take your meds, reddit bay

No, totally: and their o-line wasn't playing well either, so the blitz got there fast. Wilson's ability to consistently go hero mode is incredible and he IS talented. On the other hand, sometimes he definitely extended plays when he should've thrown it away, and those mistakes are sometimes costly.

I just object, no matter how good a player is, to the most for a person at that position and use them close to the least in the league. I could understand that for an impact heavy position like RB, but not QB.

>romo
>palmer
>smith
lol ohnononononononono

>Peyton Manning over Joe Montana
>JOE NAMATH LOL
>Drew Brees and Aaron Rodgers absurdly underrated

No one bats 1000, if they can find a better GM, I'm all for it.

>he did his best
>i live vicariously through men who hate me

That's true, there are times Wilso creates more work for himself but him scrambling out of the pocket is his way of buying time for his receivers to get open. Baldwin was really the only receiver Wilson had that could get separation at the line, the rest of his group generally takes a few seconds to get open, which means Wilson has to hold onto the ball longer. That and he probably feels phantom pressure a lot considering he had the one of the worst online for three or four years

>t. coping seacuck

>Manning over Montana
>Joe Namath anywhere on that list at all
>Smeth
Holy fuck that list is awful.

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What is there to cope about?

I'll take Wilson's reckless heroics any day over a pussy like Rodgers who throws it away at the smallest provocation.

>i live vicariously through men who hate me
That's a lot of projection there, user. You might eant to talk to someone about it.

>Romo

Bleacher Report out-terribled itself?

>ill take the low iq play over the high iq play any day
you shittlites are virtuous geniuses in your own minds

This list is laughably bad, especially the second half

>throwing away the ball is a high IQ play

>malcolmbutlergoallineINT.webm

Great rebuttal. And any Shithawk fan is infinitely more butthurt about 40 you fucking newfag

Swap Jim Kelly and Terry Bradshaw

>canned response when BTFOd
sad. many such cases!

what if September Alex Smith could last an entire season + playoffs?

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i'm a pats fan lol you're just retarded and making the thread shit

>being this butthurt
Kek

If it’s that or a sack or fumble or broken collar bone yes. 1000x yes

>Matt Ryan and Andy Dalton in the same category
wew

>not throwing a lateral to your RB and doing a flea flicker once the pressure is off the QB

What if I could fuck a girl? I guess we'll never know........

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just stick to the cfl, you guys cant even win a stanley cup when we let you in our leagues we dont need your opinions or bandwagen fandom

Imagine actually thinking the cuckboys can win with Dak at QB

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they dont actually believe they are just loyal cuckolds

Smeff is trending on twatter because of this list

>Sack Pickscott

So Foles is in good tier QBs right? Right?

rodgers had more passes in both 20 to 40 yards and over 40 yards this last season
maybe youre just stupid

Browns are literally going to go 5-11

Yankees and still winning the division dumbass and have the far superior record, best of all teams in fact, so stop sucking oriel's cock.

Every single name after brady is wrong. Best shitpost I've seen in months. Only eight or nine names even deserve a place on that """""""""list"""""""""

Brock Samson, from the Venture Bros, user.

>aikman and namaith above bradshaw
>favre that low
>smeth
damn i wish i was a professional shitposter like this guy

>I spend an unhealthy amount of time imagining sex fantasies with girls who I will never ever ever see again
you are me lol

>I promise I will leave /nfl/ forever when I get a cute gf
good, nothing gets better staying here

brees and rodgers are two of the only good ones

>only 2 QBs under mediocre
??? So really, "Good" is the mediocre tier

Professional shitposters do get some hits every now and then.

>Johhny Unitas

>all those MVPless quarterbacks

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something I've appreciated over my years at Yea Forums is how the Manning-Brady rivalry went from daily threads to the occasional "oh yeah remember peyton..? hha lol"

2 wins against the bungles, 1 against the Ratbirds and Stoolers, Jests, Nanners, Donkeys (Toss up imo) Bill's, Fins, and Tards. I count 10

18 of them have Owls tho

What's N'Keal Harry's fantasy value /nfl/?

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>He still sleepin on da fins

LMAO

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>I'm literally a fixture of spee
You're a fucking faggot and attention whore. Literally nobody here likes you or your shitty posts.

Rangeban of Baltimore when?

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You might get three wins, only because of the garbage teams in your division.

Same number as his jersey

another Super Bowl ranking, nothing new folks

Didnt you ask this last thread?

would prefer a nuke on Baltimore more

Seethe harder morons.

The most r*ddit post of all time.

>garbage teams in your division
AFCE is literally one of the most balanced divisions.

AFC South and North says hi

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>reddit bay

Like I said before, this is bullshit. Ratings were not an issue, that was a myth.

Has mike ever considered that the rules are just inconsistent and dumb?

Pretty decent, except the NFC West is completely wrong, and the Vikings won't even get 7 wins. Also, I think the Browns get the wild card instead of the Jags.

Another in a long line of former players who hate Gettleman

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especially since Kareem Hunt got hit with 8 games and arguably tyreeks crime is worse

This is a really bad list

lol no one is seething at you bitchknees

This has to be the most cringeworthy post on all of 4 chan. I'm genuinely embarrassed for you

What do you mean? West looks about right? I don't think the Rams and Hawks will both be 9-7 but they would likely have similar records

Yeah, last year they were competing for playoff position, this season they're playing for draft position.

Cocaine.

Who are you referring to m8? I don't know if the Rams would take that much of a step back and everyone had the Hawks playing for a draft pick and not playoffs at the season start. 49ers are taking the division though, I unless Kyler Murray goes godmode or something

This just reeks of bandwagon favoritism.

>His prime was 16

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Not with Wop at QB. Overrated as hell

>He still a virgin
LMAO

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Here was their projections last year lmao

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>Redskins.
>3-13.
>Vikings.
>anything more than 9 wins.
this meme is bad.

>preseason is only a week only.
I know it is >preseason but I just want football to start.

>colts 2-14
retards.

>memehomes
>luck
>rovers
It's like espn wrote this

berds

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Lose weight

I guess I shouldn't have said completely wrong. The niners will not be over .500 though. And yeah, I agree with you about the Hawks and Rams. They'll both have double digit wins.

What's up with their hardon for the vikshits?

Acquire money

>colts
>good
Uhm,,, no sweetie. They should have gone 0-16 last year but they got refballed to all of their wins. Hasn’t this general told you that Luck is the most overrated bust to ever play the game? The colts are going 1-15 this year and the 1 win will be refball.

These are horrible projections overall but this is the first time all offseason I’ve seen somebody not overrate the Texicans, so good on them for that, at least.

You'd never know Joy and Jason Taylor were half black by looking at that pic

Unsure to say currently considering Gordon's situation. If he doesn't play the Pats have no choice but to get Harry involved but if he does then Harry's ceiling is a lot lower.

Who's your pick to win it all?

Sneed

Patriots again

Didnt this guy say he was going to quit if Hill got reinstated? lol

Burrs

Rams

Chefs

The Indianapolis Football Baby Horses

The Vikings are being pretty underrated this year, you can make an argument that they have the best roster in the division. I don't think they'll actually pass the Bears and Packers but I wouldn't be shocked if they did.

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injury prone but the team is like 9-2 with him playing

this
same goes with the Cowboys, Bears, Saints, and Rams

The only thing holding Garoppolo back now is his injuries.

>best roster
>best defense
>best coach
>pro bowl qb
IT'S FINALLY FUCKING HAPPENING

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>>best roster
>>best coach

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>best roster
>best defense
Agreed
>best coach
Nagy is good but he’s in the second tier of “looked good but still largely unproven as a new-ish head coach” along with guys like Anthony Lynn and Frank Reich.
>pro bowl QB
Pro Bowls don’t mean shit anymore. Call me when he’s an All-Pro

Your point about Nagy being unproven is fair but Nagy has something in his first season coaching that Anthony Lynn, Frank Reich, and a lot of other guys don't have. Also Trubisky doesn't have to be an All-Pro to take the best roster to the Super Bowl.

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>but Nagy has something in his first season coaching that Anthony Lynn, Frank Reich, and a lot of other guys don't have.
Zero playoff wins? Reich and Lynn didn’t go one and done

>muh media/popularity awards
Keep desperately clinging. Doink doink.

>best roster

Are we really still doing this? Do I really have to post this again?

>QB
Wentz > Trubisky
>RB
Howard/Sanders/Clement/Sproles > Davis/Cohen/Montgomery
>WR
Jeffery/Jackson/Agholor/JJAW > Robinson/Gabriel/Patterson/Ridley
>TE
Ertz/Goedert/Rodgers > Burton/Shaheen
>LT
Peters > Leno
>LG
Whitehair > Seumalo
>C
Kelce > Daniels
>RG
Brooks > Long
>RT
Johnson > Massie

>EDGE
Mack/Floyd/Lynch/Irving > Graham/Barnett/Curry/Sweat
>IDL
Cox/Jackson/Jernigan/Ridgeway > Hicks/Goldman/Nichols
>LB
Trevathan/Smith/Iyiegbuniwe > Bradham/Brown/Grugier-Hill
>CB
Amukamara/Fuller/Skrine/McManis > Darby/Douglas/Maddox/Jones/Mills
>S
Jenkins/McLeod/Maddox/Sendejo > Jackson/Clinton-Dix/Bush

>ST
Eagles > Bears

How in the fuck is Hassan Ridgeway still in the league? He was one of the worst players on the roster for >my Colts at a time when we had one of the worst defenses in the league. I get that you guys gave us a seventh rounder for him but he wasn’t even worth that

From what I gather he has the size and athleticism to be worth a roster spot. He just has never developed. He'll be ok as the 4th or 5th guy for the Eagles. He might get beat out by Treyvon Hester (he of double doink kick tipping fame) and/or Bruce Hector. Maybe the Eagles' coaches can get something out of him, who knows. He's still young. Apparently they tried to jam him into a 3-4 DT role in Indianapolis, and people think he'll do better as a penetrating 3-tech in the Philly system.

Is there anything else to do with the fins? You can't actually get excited for this garbage fire of a team.

Well better luck to him with Philly then. Indy had absolutely no idea what the fuck it was doing other than “make Andrew Luck do all the work and pray” from 2012 to 2016 and no plan at all in 2017, so maybe he was just dogshit as a product of playing for a dogshit defense with dogshit coaching.

what's been the most exciting storyline this offseason?

For me it was the general jets drama, but zeke being up in the air (even if it is a small possibility) is pretty cool

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>A blocked field goal away from beating the guy who beat Belichick in the super bowl with a backup
No shame in that loss just played too conservatively until the 4th quarter. That's not his style it won't happen again

He's popular for a reason buddy

>WR
>RB
>S
These gotta change

>colts go from worst o-line to best o-line(at least in terms of sacks) in one season
>fire o-line coach
Why?

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>>WR
Definitely not. Jeffery is almost elite, better than Robinson. Jackson and Agholor are better than everyone on the Bears other than Robinson.
>>RB
No. I like Cohen, but he's not god enough to be the main guy. Howard is a very solid back, better than Davis. Sproles and Clement are icing on the cake.
>>S
This one is arguable, but I feel fairly strongly that the Eagles' safeties are better. Jenkins is one of the best in the league. Clinton-Dix is overrated, while McLeod is very underrated. And the Eagles have better depth.

You expect them to make logical personnel decisions?

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Irsay is a druggie retard and I’m used to him embarrassing the team off the field, but he’s relatively hands-off with team decisions as an owner and >we have a competent GM now. Grigson isn’t there anymore.

>projecting that many 3-13 teams
That right there is just a sign of terrible prediction. Has literally never happened in NFL history since the league expanded to 16 games in 1978. 41 seasons and not once did 5 teams ever have a 3-13 or worse record in a season. It's so lopsided that it's ludicrous when compared to average NFL results.

Let alone all the weird hot takes in there. But yeah, the average number of teams per year to go 3-13 or worse is 2.05. The highest it's ever gone is 4, and it's only done that twice in 40 years, and only once when there wasn't a salary cap. The only exception to this was the strike shortened season where only 9 games were played, where 8 teams were 3 wins/3-6 or worse. Absolute garbage prediction.

Old Bay wears a double XL on his best day

>the cards are paying over $16 mil combined for three QBs that are not on their roster
How did it get so bad?

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>Nagy has something in his first season coaching that Anthony Lynn, Frank Reich, and a lot of other guys don't have.
Like a stacked roster and the best Defensive Coordinator since Parcells Giants in the 80s? Although I guess Nagy doesn't have the last thing anymore either.

>Chorgers
EVERY FUCKING YEAR LMAO

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This pic made me realize just how many shitty QBs are in the league.
>see dalton is great
>no way, he's not better than...
*looks down list*
>oh, yeah I guess all those guys are terrible

>Definitely not. Jeffery is almost elite, better than Robinson. Jackson and Agholor are better than everyone on the Bears other than Robinson.
Jeffery isn't elite, him and Robinson are on the same level. Jackson is better than Gabriel but he's older and both are only really good at stretching the field. Miller is going to be better than Agholor in the slot this season, he was playing injured last year and still ended up with more TDs. The Bears also have better depth at the position.

>No. I like Cohen, but he's not god enough to be the main guy. Howard is a very solid back, better than Davis. Sproles and Clement are icing on the cake.
Howard is great but he can't be relied on in the passing game making it very predictable what play the offense is going to run meaning he's also not good enough to be the main guy. That's why they traded him and only got pennies in return.

>This one is arguable, but I feel fairly strongly that the Eagles' safeties are better. Jenkins is one of the best in the league. Clinton-Dix is overrated, while McLeod is very underrated. And the Eagles have better depth.
Eddie Jackson is the best safety in the league, he's got the most defensive touchdowns out of any player these past 2 years and had the lowest opponent passer rating last season

They need to quit giving my chorgelets so much hype. Every year they do this and it's just going to jinx the team into mediocrity. That is, if they don't get in their own way first.
I don't see the Vikings going 12-4 either

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Good strategy:
>draft linement and skill players
>use veteran qb while building
>draft good qb once team is built around him

TARDS:
>draft qb
>zero support around him
>be shit
>repeat for decades

Dalton is actually pretty good. He just gets associated with the rest of his shitty team with pretty much zero talent on it and people assume he's a bad quarterback. All of his mechanics and stats are solid compared to the rest of the league. He's really just on a bad team.

He lead the league in passe rating for a while despite having a few paraplegic literally whos as receivers NO help in the run game and an oline that couldn't block for 0.10 of a second

It's amazing that the Browns finally managed to pull out of the Tard strategy after getting stuck there for decades.

>he can't be relied on in the passing game making it very predictable what play the offense is going to run
In some ways you're right, but this article does a good job of explaining why that's not as big a worry as most think:
>bleedinggreennation.com/2019/4/2/18290201/jordan-howard-nfl-chicago-bears-philadelphia-eagles-trade-2019-three-down-back-pass-blocking-wentz

>tfw rooting for a good team

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Not really. They got lucky that Baker is a stud but they didn’t use a veteran QB in their rebuilding phase, they still whiffed on a rookie the year prior (DeShone Kizer)

Hoyer kind of did that

Jeffery is better than Robinson, I have no doubt. Jackson is old, but still an elite deep threat by the numbers. Agholor has been inconsistent, but his ceiling is objectively a top slot receiver in the league. As far as depth, it's hard to tell. JJAW has high level potential, and they have a bunch of guys on the roster bubble that might show something in camp. I have to admit I don't know anything about the Bears' receivers after the ones I listed above.

>Eagles cope forum shows me how to cope with shit WRs
K

Super Bowl 54 will be the 8-8 dolphins lead by Ryan Fitzpatrick against the 16-0 undefeated rams lead by Jared goof.
The dolphins will win in a nailbiter after the rams blow a 28-3 lead
SCREENCAP. THIS.

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>NO help in the run game
Lolwut

Post lynch, until some of last year, the hawks have been one of the worst rushing teams in the league. (dont let total yards fool you, they just rush more than anyone)

Not an eagles fan but I root for a team that has a very distinct “running down” back and a very distinct “passing down” back. My team was also called dumb for not throwing a shitload of money at Bell because then we could have had a back that could do it all and we could disguise plays. I’m happy they didn’t because when your offense is good enough, it doesn’t matter that the plays aren’t always disguised. So what if we have a committee of decent-not-great running backs instead of one elite guy? The committee is costing barely $2m/year compared to Bell’s contract, and it still gets good production

I think that's what they were going for with Tyrod but they did luck out.

The Dolphins memes get worse and worse every thread. Can you dipshits stop?

>they rush more than anyone
So what you’re saying is even with a terrible run game they don’t trust elite Russell Wilson to throw 40 times a game? Intredasting

Loins?

>I think that's what they were going for with Tyrod but they did luck out.
I’m retarded and forgot he started the year for them, disregard.

Colts. I don’t know much about the Lions, is Kerryon Johnson a potential three-down back? Or do they have a more committee system?

He looked real good but I knew he was going to get injured because he was really pushing himself. He can catch well too. Zenner is a decent power runner who has some room to improve and Riddick is much better at recieving than rushing. Now CJ Anderson is also in the mix, he looked good in the playoffs up til the Owl. There's someone I'm forgetting as well. I don't know if Kerryon can do this year what he did last year.

Boy it sure is nice to root for a team not being held hostage in negotiations with a mediocre QB and a scumbag RB. How about you, Cowfags?

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That’s because you already caved in your negotiations with a mediocre QB.

>mediocre QB
You just paid Wince and let your Super Bowl MVP go.

You think Cohen can't pass block? Ask Dante Fowler what he thinks.

Wentz is the one who caved and signed two years early

>Paying a guy over his performance in a single game
Thinking like this is why Jerry can't build a winner

>Foles playoff record with eagles: 4-2 including a Super Bowl in which he was MVP
>Wentz playoff record with eagles: 0-0
I get that Wentz had an exceptional 2017 regular season, but he’s been mediocre outside of that. You know who else had one exceptional regular season and was average or constantly injured otherwise? RG3.

Except Wentz was actually better statistically in his year after the injury.

RG3's injuries were a continual degradation of his legs. None of Wentz's injuries are related. He's just unlucky

774 yards and 4 TDs is elite by the numbers? What does that make Julio Jones and Hopkins? And I didn't say Robinson is better, but I can assure you they're in the same tier. Bears have Riley Ridley who also has high level potential and Patterson who's versatility can be lethal in Nagy's offense as well as the bubble guys.

Sounds like Bears vs. Eagles will be a good game this season.

>Wentz playoff record with eagles: 0-0
Meanwhile Dak had the best QBR in the playoffs last year.

>Andy Dalton and Deshawn Watson considered great

REEEEEEEEEEEEE

Mistress T causes him plenty of wardrobe problems

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I appreciate your sentiment of shitting on Wince as much as anyone, but QBR is a meme stat. There are no truly great QBs in the NFCE right now.

Josh Allen will be in the Elite category next year.

White Lamar Jackson. Can run like hell, cannot hit the broad side of a barn.
>b-but his receivers are better now, they were awful last year!
I agree 100% but it doesn’t matter if he can’t consistently get it within five yards of them

>Josh Allen will be the first elite running QB in NFL history

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you forgot to mention the complete overhaul in Oline as well as the complete lack of run game :)

Do those fix his accuracy? They’re still not going to have any run game apart from Allen himself either, they signed geriatric Frank Gore. Congrats.

He won't have to run for his life when the Oline can block and the RBs can get past the LOS this time.

Sure? more time to throw? Defenders aren't caked on the receivers? You know teams didn't respect the game run at all and just defended the pass? Geez I don't know.

So instead of Allen throwing it 10 yards past a guy who was covered, he’ll now throw is 10 yards last a guy who is open? Sweet

>he's still sleeping on the odd-year panthers

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I see the cope has started alredy

Oh hey, they got a guy named cole beasly so he can check down to him and gain accuracy. Never had that last year either. Just needs a little more touch on the ball and he's elite.

most winning seasons since division realignment (2002):

New England Patriots: 17/17 (2002-2018)
Pittsburgh Steelers: 13/17 (2002, 2004-2005, 2007-2011, 2014-2018)
Indianapolis Colts: 13/17 (2002-2010, 2012-2014, 2018)
Green Bay Packers: 12/17 (2002-2004, 2007, 2009-2016)
Seattle Seahawks: 12/17 (2003-2007, 2012-2018)
Philadelphia Eagles: 11/17 (2002-2004, 2006, 2008-2010, 2013-2014, 2017-2018)
Baltimore Ravens: 11/17 (2003-2004, 2006, 2008-2012, 2014, 2017-2018)
San Diego/Los Angeles Chargers: 10/17 (2004-2007, 2009-2010, 2013-2014, 2017-2018)
Denver Broncos: 10/17 (2002-2006, 2012-2016)
Kansas City Chiefs: 10/17 (2003, 2005-2006, 2010, 2013-2018)
Dallas Cowboys: 10/17 (2003, 2005-2009, 2014, 2016-2018)
Atlanta Falcons: 9/17 (2002, 2004, 2008-2012, 2016-2017)
New Orleans Saints: 8/17 (2002, 2006, 2009-2011, 2013, 2017-2018)
New York Giants: 8/17 (2002, 2005, 2007-2008, 2010-2012, 2016)
Minnesota Vikings: 8/17 (2003, 2005, 2008-2009, 2012, 2015, 2017-2018)
Tennessee Titans: 8/17 (2002-2003, 2007-2008, 2011, 2016-2018)
Cincinnati Bengals: 7/17 (2005, 2009, 2011-2015)
New York Jets: 7/17 (2002, 2004, 2006, 2008-2010, 2015)
Houston Texans: 7/17 (2009, 2011-2012, 2014-2016, 2018)
Carolina Panthers: 6/17 (2003, 2005, 2008, 2013, 2015, 2017)
Chicago Bears: 6/17 (2005-2006, 2008, 2010, 2012, 2018)
Tampa Bay Buccaneers: 6/17 (2002, 2005, 2007-2008, 2010, 2016)
Miami Dolphins: 5/17 (2002-2003, 2005, 2008, 2016)
Arizona Cardinals: 5/17 (2008-2009, 2013-2015)
Washington Redskins: 5/17 (2005, 2007, 2012, 2015, 2016)
San Francisco 49ers: 4/17 (2002, 2011-2013)
Jacksonville Jaguars: 4/17 (2004-2005, 2007, 2017)
Detroit Lions: 4/17 (2011, 2014, 2016-2017)
St. Louis/Los Angeles Rams: 3/17 (2003, 2017-2018)
Buffalo Bills: 3/17 (2004, 2014, 2017)
Oakland Raiders: 2/17 (2002, 2016)
Cleveland Browns: 2/17 (2002, 2007)

Also, you are under the assumption shady isn't good anymore I guess? Typical retard sheep, but it was the Oline who couldn't block and he got hit before he can move.

>Indianapolis Colts: 13/17 (2002-2010, 2012-2014, 2018)
I hate Ryan Grigson so fucking much

Does Brady play if Belichick retires?
Does Belichick coach if Brady retires?

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>retard sheep
>calling people sheep when you continually eat the cake

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Yes because he wants to prove he’s good without Belichick
Yes because he wants to prove he’s good without Brady
Those two are MJ-levels of hypercompetitiveness, that’s a big part of why they’re the GOATs.

>he continually roots for his team

what a fucking idiot am i rite gottem

Andrew luck has shit stats and hasnt achieved anything. Russel wilson has better passing stats on top of being more mobile

Imagine unironically shilling for luck in 2019

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You can root for your team without being delusional

hey /nfl/

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literally every fan of a team before the season is delusional, monkey. I guess your team won't have the best team in the league while mine will, there no delusion in that at least.

>breaks you’re kids arm
Nothin’ personal

Andrew Luck more like Andrew Cuck lol

*defense team

And when Allen gets some touch it will be game over. But you are probably too stupid to realize that.

Russell wilson averages barely half the passing attempts Luck does. Wilson is better but the gap isn’t as big as Yea Forums thinks. Yea Forums just has a hateboner for Luck because of talking heads hyping him up coming out of college

>rasm

*gets disproportionate praise and makes Yea Forums seethe despite being a small market QB*

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>raidurs

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And Wentz already has more rings than Dak will get in his career

Pretty good aside from forgetting that Wentz has already shown he can outplay Rivers

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Jesus, how many years are the chorgers going to be everyones edgy super bowl pick?

Rivers is a complete choke artists and the chargers will never win an owl with that clown

I can't believe the boys are going to pay dak

he's a top 5 QB according to QBR

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I've never seen more of a no-win situation than the Cowboys with Dak Prescott. Just good enough that he can't be casually replaced but not quite good enough to be trusted running a team for $30 million.

QBR was invented in 2011 to prop up QBs like Cam Newton and RG3

Switch broncos with raiders

Chargers might’ve made it to the SB last year if they didn’t run into a pissed off Patriots team ready to shut down every top offense.

>Browns
>10-6

most overrated team in the NFL

>Chargers might have made it to the Super Bowl if they didn't play one of the two teams in the AFC better than them
wow, hot take

that is the power of chargors intellect

The Patriots aren’t good.

Chargers AGAIN? When will they learn

good enough to beat the Chargers. but you're right, that doesn't really make them good since the Chargers are terrible.

Dak is one of the greatest statistical deceptors of my lifetime.

Everything you see about him with your eyes tells you he's utterly average yet he manages to put up numbers that make him look top 10.

The ones saying that the Cowboys must not pay him top dollar aren't the ones who watch him on tv. They're the ones who watch him at practice

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Why does everyone always doubt the Patriots and the Cowboys before the season starts?

his ceiling seems so low maybe first round

>Patriots
Jealousy
>Cowboys
Consistency

>Cowboys

because they are a joke org, nobody doubts the patriots

>nobody doubts the patriots
>USA Today picks the >chorgers to win the AFC for the second year in a row

>alex smith
>top 100 even

lol wtf is this list

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>reposting an image that already got posted in this same thread earlier today
Read nigga

I assumed that if it had already been posted, I would've gotten a duplicate file alert

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The Patriots are the betting favorites with the Chiefs to win the 2020 owl I could give less than two shits what some boomer paper thinks

>one rag that is notorious for making edgy picks for clicks picked against my team so that means everyone doubts us!
I will never understand the persecution complex of Bostonians

It stems from Tom Brady always being able to convince himself that everyone doubts to keep up his self-motivation, but he's really good at it

Nyheim Hines is my boyyyy. I really hope they keep giving him more and more touches.

He’s an exceptionally good third down back. Mack is still the better pure rusher, but if/when he gets hurt, I’m confident in Hines’ ability to take over. Wilkins isn’t too shabby either, he just didn’t get many touches last year.

Definitely. The Eagles have the Bears, Pats, and Seahawks all in a row, all at the Linc. Should be a fun stretch, and if they take two out of three they'll be great shape.

Based on how that playoff game went. I don't have a high opinion of the Bears. I see Trubisky as a meme

>tfw your team doesn’t have any real weaknesses but it really only has one great group/position

Which team is that?

>who are Mike Vick, Randall Cunningham, and Steve Young?

Reminder

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Why does Jason Garret still have a job?

Indy.
>excellent o-line
>above average QB
>above average receiver and tight end groups overall
>average linebackers outside of Leonard
>average secondary
>below average pass rush but Houston might even that out to average

That's what happens when you manage to tank for elite QB prospects but have otherwise been unable to draft for shit until recently

Not elite, definitely not elite, and yes.

No one doubts the Patriots before the season starts, but every year they lose a game early in the season and everyone screams for a couple weeks about how the Brady and Bill are washed up and the era is over and then they finish with 12 wins and get to the owl again.

This will continue to trigger me since it treats not making the playoffs as better than making the playoffs and losing.

They really should put someone else in charge of the draft board.

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>every year they lose a game early in the season and everyone screams for a couple weeks about how the Brady and Bill are washed up and the era is over
lose two games early* They'll lose two games in the first month and a half somewhere. Then they go on a winning streak, then a surprise loss to a mediocre team, and then either win the rest or maybe 1 more loss somewhere in there. Happens constantly.

No it doesn't. It's sorted by total wins, not winning percentage. It treats not making the playoffs the exact same as losing in the first round.

>This news is significant because skipping training camp practice is much more costly than missing minicamp. Williams can now be fined up to $40,000 for each day missed ... plus one week’s regular season salary for each preseason game missed. He’s trying to show Washington that he’s serious about his demands.

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>No it doesn't. It's sorted by total wins, not winning percentage.
It's sorted by total wins then not ordered at all, although there are three examples near the top where it's ordered by winning percentage after total wins. It should sort by total wins, then number of playoff appearances, then winning percentage. Instead it disregards playoff appearances.

It sorts ties like not even making the playoffs is superior to making the playoffs and losing 3 times near the top. The Ravens are placed above the Steelers even though they shouldn't be, and the same for the Seahawks being placed above the Colts and Giants being placed above the Broncos etc etc.

the, "vows not to play for the Redskins/wants to be traded," thing is BS started by some talking heads. Williams never, "demanded a trade."

>According to a survey of NFL coaches and executives, Patrick Mahomes is one of the four best quarterbacks in the NFL and could become the greatest quarterback in NFL history.

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They have, retard. There’s a reason the colts roster went from arguably the worst to top third of the NFL in three offseasons. Chris Ballard is infinitely better than Ryan Grigson.

What's going to happen when they only beat the Seahawks?

I mean, I don't think too much about the actual order among teams that are tied, I just look at the number of wins. But here, I fixed it for you.

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>Owl
>With Andy Reid
Your offensive coordinator took 2 years to do what the man hasn't done in 20

I was referring to the orangutan, and it was a joke, buddy.

My severe debilitating autism thanks you. I guess it's just PTSD from arguing with Joe Montana fags about his career.

>dissing Rocky
>joke
those are fighting words

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The Iggles are playing the Xecucks in primetime so Wilson is going to tear them a new asshole

It's in Philadelphia

missedthejoke

So Jarren Reed was slapped a six game suspension for assualt charges two years ago even though no charges were pressed whereas Hill beat the shit out of his wife and son and got away with a slap on the wrist. And Goodell wonders why the league is going down the shitter

What does that have to do with anything? Wilson dominates prime time games regardless of whether it's a home or away game, especially against playoff teams

The NFL wanted to permaban him but the evidence wasn't there

I apologize for my retardation, I'm used to Chiefs fans being overly delusional

The Eagles are a different team at home as well, and I will still swear that this play was illegal
youtube.com/watch?v=fFCReEju00U

I was reading up on Reed's case but there wasn't concrete evidence either

Russell Wilson playoff record in seasons where he didn’t have a top 3 defense:
>2017: 0-0 (missed playoffs)
>2018: 0-1 (lost to a cuckboys team that had won one playoff game in the previous decade)
Whoa...so this is the power...of Russell Wilson...when he isn’t carried by an all-time great defense

Compare Wilson's primetime stats to any other QB in the league and you'll see how wrong you are. And I'm assuming that clip is that lateral pass. It was a missed call but far from illegal as it was hard to determine if it was a forward pass in real time when it happened and frankly if the Eagles defense did their jobs that wouldn't have happened to begin with

im not saying the NFL is consistent with their rulings but the Hill case wasn't very clear

>2017
You mean when he set records for the highest percentage of offensive yards and offensive touchdowns by one player and had Blair Walsh missing 30 yard field goals?

I credit those stats to Seattle's homefield advantage. I don't fear Wilson on the road. He was completely unremarkable in that playoff game

I love how if Wilson’s teammates suck it isn’t his fault but if Rodgers, Brees, Luck, Rivers, or Ryan misses the playoffs in a year where they have a bad roster it’s their faults.
Wilsonlets are delusional at

Don't forget that even WIlson's teammates think he sucks. Golden Tate doesn't think he's as good as Matt Stafford

>surprised that Goodell's discipline decisions are arbitrary and inconsistent
How new are you?

When's the soonest Goodell could be replaced?

Half of his primetime wins are on the road.

Wilson loses games by himself a couple of times a season and deserves complete blame. There are also games he singlegandedly wins by pulling magic out of his ass.

>Tate
He may have cucked Wilson but Wilson supposedly was a large reason he didn't get resigned meaning he got cucked put of a ring.

Do you have a chart that prevents girls from laughing at your small dick?

He's under contract until 2023, but I assume the owners could vote to remove him if they want to. I'm going to assume his salary is guaranteed though lol.

No. I haven't made one, because I have no use for such a chart, because I do not have a small dick.

niggers get out reeeeee

>getting butthurt from an user saying you have a small dick
So I guess you do have a small dick

The fact that you replied shows that you are indeed a dicklet

Y-y-you don't know how big my dick is! Y-you h-haven't seen it!

Are you a butthurt cowcuck, or a kansass city fan?

Reminder tyreek hill beats his wife and child

ELITE

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Not a small dick tool like you, enjoy your virginity loser

I need the Ravens to go full triple option next season

This was the easiest bet I ever won

Damn, you really are mad. I'm guessing Kansass Shitty, but I wouldn't be surprised if you were a pathetic cowcuck, just disappointed.

By triple option you mean two half backs and a full back right?

Late season league winner assuming Gordon missed the whole year. He’ll be familiar enough with the playbook by week 11 he’ll destroy down the stretch.
>boys, Texans, chiefs, bungles, bills, phins(17 FF season should be over)
Hell of a time to get acclimated

Yes wishbone formation. Can even swing the backs out as pass catchers, justice hill seems like he'd be good for it

not as mad as you are over your teenie weenie

I forgot all about the bone formation. I cant remember the last time I saw it in a game

Name the last good wr the pats drafted, all the wideouts they draft end up as busts. They seem pretty confident they'll get Gordon back too; I'd rather have Gordon as a last round flier than nkeal at pick 100 or so

>the state of assblasted disgusting bandwagoners
lol 18-1

No one uses it anymore, it's very outdated

>Name the last good wr the pats drafted, all the wideouts they draft end up as busts.
Does it really matter? They can't afford anyone besides Gordon who they got because he's a fucking junkie. They have to hope they strike gold with a promising receiver or they're fucked.

I'm not a pats fan though. I actually really don't like the pats.

Texas could use another team desu

i assume Big Dick Nicker is off the chart ofc

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Off the chart bad.

It's only rating starting QBs from the previous season

When (because they WILL eventually) the nfl puts a team in San Antonio, would it be a good idea to revive the commander’s name, while changing everything else?

Name the last WR the pats drafted that had the tape and measurables Harry has. The jew is still the top target monster but an X receiver with his pedigree in that system will coast to a WR2 spot once he starts grasping the book

Him and Fitzpatrick didn’t throw enough passes last season to get a rating. Not sure why Tannehill isn’t there.

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The San Antonio Texians you mean.

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>deadspin.com/the-packers-expenses-say-a-lot-about-the-nfl-1836377954

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>deadspin

>packers
Gay name. Good thing their QB is really, really straight.

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fuck deadspin

Will zeke hold out or be a good boy?

rodgers contract is literally the expense. he's a cancer to the team i dunno why people don't see this

Pat's are never fucked as long as BB is there

NFL media conveniently forgets which teams are eternal chokers unless the team is big market

>QBR
lol

he's going to get paid more than 30 million lol and everyone knows it

>implying sports journos are anywhere close to being indicative of what an average sports fan thinks

>bradysknee hates gays
K

He’s very liberal

>35 years old
>no wife
>no kids
>smokes weed by himself in the locker room
>inhales the salary cap
>lives in Wisconsin
>still has women defend him publicly
What went wrong?

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Rodgers is a cancer in every sense of the word, both financially and in the locker room

Is Dak elite?

The stats point to yes

Reminder to report bitchkneees as he is bsn evading

that was a forward pass for sure.

I hate liars. OldGay posts another liar who claims to not love cock. Aaron played better when he had Kevin's Boipucchi to pound on a nightly basis. That is a fact. You can't give 100% when you're fighting the urge to inhale BJ Raji's used Jock.

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>constantly talks shit on wentz
>his qb LITERALLY CANNOT pass and ended up choking hard against the fucking chorgers

Any evidence?

>hates liars
>
You filled in the rest

Wentz is at his best letting other players win things for him.

>the best Defensive Coordinator since Parcells Giants in the 80s?
Fangio is overrated. He is the reason >we lost that playoff game.

>New York Giants are one of the NFL's most storied and successful franchises in literally the biggest media market in the world
>Have tons of primetime games every year based on tradition and reputation alone
>Odell: "I'M THE ONE WHO MADE THIS ALL HAPPEN!!!!!!! ME!!!!!!!!!1!"

I am so glad I never have to deal with this bitch ever again. Can't wait for Jones to be All-Pro in 2020 while Odell implodes once he realizes that Baker is the star in Cleveland and not him.

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Why do their players keep dying?

Seriously. If you want to talk about Bears DCs Rivera kicks the shit out of Fangio.

You're not kidding anyone, dude. Odell is right. He has been the only player in that entire franchise that has been worth a shit or made the Giants something that people tune into. Especially casual fans or fans of other teams that want to watch a second game or something.

The Giants haven't been shit for like a decade. 9-7, 7-9, 6-10, 6-10, 11-5, 3-13, 5-11. One good season in the last 7. That's seven fucking years of mediocrity and failure.

That's easy to say watching it on replay. Real time it looked like a legit lateral

How many Super Bowls have the Giants won? How many did they win while Odell was on the team?

If Odell had been drafted by Tampa Bay and Mike Evans had been drafted by the Giants, Mike Evans would be a star and Odell wouldn't be shit. Odell came to a franchise with 90+ years of history and helped ruin a winning culture because of his Messiah complex and the idea that he was God's gift to New York. The very second he made le amazing wan han catch he started taking counsel on his brand. Fuck him and fuck every stan who defends his bullshit.

I haven't kept up with news for months. As a Chiefs fan, on a scale of 1-10, how bad/chaotic/big have things changed since the owl ended for the team, given all that has happened for the team?

They peaked. The Patriots Defense has improved and the Chief's are relying on a guy who's kid is being raised by the State.

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The only way they've improved on defense is by adding Mathieu and basically making a lateral move by excommunicating Dee Ford to SF as punishment for the AFCCG only to bring in the exact same player as him but with more baggage. Same number and everything.

Most Gnat fans I knew hated Odell because he is a prima donna who had a meme catch in his rookie year and acted like he was the next Rice or Moss

>me and brady's sixth knee ring

They got Frank Clark too who is good but they overpaid him.

Seethe harder buddy. Odell has been the best player on that team since LT. And if he was in Tampa he would have been the Tampa star instead of the Giants star. Dude is supremely talented and you cant deny that

>Chargers
>getting past the divisional round

How do people STILL fall for this meme when the chorgers haven't done better than one and done in well over a decade

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I'm pretty sure he was statistically on par with early Moss at some point. Obviously not the same player but you get it.

I think most longtime Giants fans (Basically the balding overweight guineas I was raised around) view Odell the same way they view Jeremy Shockey: Once in a lifetime talent but earned his ticket out of town because he was so far up his own ass that the fact that he was talented hurt the team rather than helped it.

Moss also had times in games where he gave zero effort at all whereas Odell used that as an excuse to blame his shortcomings on Eli

>And if he was in Tampa he would have been the Tampa star instead of the Giants star.

And exactly what national imprint does Tampa have as a media market? People know Mike Evans is a great player, but he doesn't have a "brand". He doesn't get that chance, because he's not in a huge market.

Remember when Keyshawn Johnson was a huge superstar in New York? But then got his ass sent to Tampa because of the whole "Me-shawn" act? Guess how much bigger a star he would have been had he stayed in New York?

By the way, Strahan is the best Giant since LT just over Eli. Odell's going to be remembered as talented, but he's never going to be looked at as fondly as a guy like Victor Cruz or Amani Toomer or even Ike Hilliard.

It's just that "on paper", they seem like a strong team. People forget that they're perennial chokers that can't perform in the playoffs. Hell, I see all these people predicting them winning the division or at least getting a wild card. I think it's quite possible they go 9-7 and miss the playoffs altogether.

It's just one of those things where they're strong enough to seem good but enough of an underdog where they seem like a good hipster pick that isn't going with the obvious. Nobody wants to say "Yeah, I see New England or Kansas City in the Super Bowl this year". That's so obvious. The Chargers are the perfect plausible pick that, in reality, is not going to win shit.

>By the way, Strahan is the best Giant since LT just over Eli. Odell's going to be remembered as talented, but he's never going to be looked at as fondly as a guy like Victor Cruz or Amani Toomer or even Ike Hilliard.
Right but the main reason for that perception is the Giants won during that era. They didn't win during Odell's. Placing that at Odell's feet and saying he's at fault for the state of the team is ludicrous. People have analyzed the fuck out of his play. He is inarguably a top 5 receiver no matter how you cut it, most put it at top 3. He is not going to be remembered because he wasn't on the team that long and the rest of the team sucks right now and didn't win anything.

Evans is a better WR than Odell

I never said Odell was the reason the Giants became a losing football team (Keeping Reese for seven years and making Coughlin the fall guy for his incompetence was). But he made a bad situation worse by acting out on the field and by passively-aggressively implying that the Giants would win if only they had a different QB or a different coach.

>Kansas City in the Super Bowl
>obvious
The Queefs are almost as big of chokers as the Chorgers, and they'll continue to be so as long as they have Andy Reid on payroll

>by passively-aggressively implying that the Giants would win if only they had a different QB or a different coach.
Well he wasn't wrong there.

>cowboys getting worked by dak
they'll cave
>cowboys getting worked by zeke
they'll cave
>cowboys stuck in an eternal clapping loop
they'll retain Garett
>cowboys slowly becoming the next big joke of a franchise
Jerruh ain't goin nowhere

>But he made a bad situation worse by acting out on the field and by passively-aggressively implying that the Giants would win if only they had a different QB or a different coach.
But he's right? Most people agree that Eli had worn out his good grace period a long time ago. Odell just said what everyone, fan and player alike in that organization, was thinking. Maybe not on the coach front, but definitely on the QB front.

Fuck Dee Ford literal retard

I'm a Pants fan and Evans is a good guy in my book. When he got shut down by James Bradberry last year he actually gave his jersey to JB which I respected the heck out of. He and Julio both are tough to dislike (Not Michael Thomas though, fuck him).

It doesn't matter if Eli's past his prime. Either Odell firmly stands behind Eli or he creates a schism in the locker room and players start taking sides.

>Cowboys trade Zeke to Philly for a first, a second, and JHow
who says no?

Anyone can run behind the Cowboy lines I'd ditch that POS

>local cbs is in a battle with my satelite provider

OH NO I wont see the dolphins games

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Eli is a cunt for not realizing his time is over. He can fuck right off.

>aging veteran and a 7th for a 5th
who wins this trade?

>passing yards leader
>Good
>worse than Andy Dalton

i laughed

Depends on the veteran and how many picks you have

Literally the only thing separating Brees and Roethlisberger from being Eli has been line play.

Eli can still sling it if protected but his whole "Wind it up and look downfield" style hasn't meshed well with his lines. Meanwhile Brees just dinks and dunks to Thomas and Kamara and people call him "elite" and "defying father time"

The Dallas Football Cowboys
I don't actually believe it, but I want to so it counts.

Just watch this on a loop until early January. You won't miss anything.

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>the mahomes dynasty

...

Howie Roseman

No I am good with watching this

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I guess, but sometimes he makes amazing plays and he almost never makes bonehead mistakes (think Eli Manning). That makes him better than mediocre, especially with that rushing offense.