Ronaldo: physically stronger, better in aerial game, mentally stronger

based retard poster

the living reason why ronaldo invests so much in market, ladies and gentlemen

Sorry bud, individual skill is measured by how good your teammates are, so that means Mustafi is better than both Messi and Ronaldo because he's won the world cup

Messi is better in almost everything, except when it comes to decisive matches, in which case he reverts to about 5% of his usual skill. Therefore TSUUUman is better, it's not hard to understand.

>Champions League finals and international finals, where Ronaldo disappears, aren't "decisive matches"
Thank you for your insightful contribution to the discussion

>im an autistic towelhead leeching on swedens gibsmedat and can't comprehend basic english
shocking, merkel told me refugees are highly trained civilized people

>Titles are absolutely irrelevant, teams win titles, not individual players

teams carried by Ronaldo: Sporting, Manchester United, Real Madrid, Portugal, Juventus

teams carried by Messi: none, because he chokes for Argentina, and Barcelona was carried by Xavi Iniesta Neymar Henry Etoo Villa Suarez Zlatan aka balon dor contenders golden shoe winners world cup winners and NT top scorers.

Based

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>mentally stronger
BS, they're equally shit when it matters.

redpill me on ronaldo at sporting

>Juventus
They won fewer titles the year Ronnie joined than the year before that

muller

maradona is a drug addict cheater

Messi's autistic mind is naturally attracted to big numbers, so when he goes against a shit team, he becomes the best player in the world because it means a big number. The opposite is shown when important games happen, as Messi knows there won't be a big number score, so his autistic brain no longer fires on all cylinders. Ronaldo's strongmind on the other hand strives under pressure, but does not find lesser opponents worthy most of the time. These are the reasons Messi can perform in la Liga but not the champions league

Messi was the top goalscorer this CL, scoring twice as many goals as Ronaldo

>deflected freekick against ABL
>statpadding in groupstage
vs
>hat trick against Atletico from 2-0 down

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Ah yes, scoring two headers and a penalty is more impressive than a 30 meter free kick that would've gone in even if it hadn't graced the shoulder of the player in the wall

cope

Yup, I'm the one who's coping when you're trying to justify Ronaldo scoring half the amount of Messis goals through headers and penalties

imagine a manlet beating you at your game
Lmaoing@poonaldo
Id off myself famalam

>1 deflected free kick is better than a hat trick 2-0 down
You're not even trying at this point are you?

The difference is when ronaldo is the top scorer his team wins. When Messi is the top scorer his team can't win. But wait. Ronaldo has more goals scored against strong teams than Messi

in other words.

TSUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUU

He's a mental midget so he's used to it

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The analrapist of 9 men Andorra

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cope

Cope

Had that one friendly which convinced Ferguson.

He was actually really good for the small time that he played for >us tho

it's settled then, thanks casual cunt

That was a clear falseflag tho

Ronaldo has been statpadding against the likes of Osasuna and Sassuolo for more than a decade

>talking about UCL
>brings up NT argument
Yep, I think I won this one

>brainlets think poonaldo is better
Thanks for removing any doubt in this disscusion

srbija's mighty goat

My bad, I just assumed you were trolling since you called Atletico a good team. How can Messi compete, with scoring four goals in two games against the two teams that went to the final?

Atletico > Tottenham. And you seriously think Atletico is a bad team? Like I said you're not even trying. The system baby unfortunately won't be remembered as the so called GOAT .

Atletico had zero shots on goal and 37% possession in the second leg against Jj and gave up a penalty that sunday league players wouldn't give up. Spuds made it to a CL final with no squad depth and riddled with injuries.

Because Juve played better duh.

Playing better doesn't make a team suddenly start making sunday league mistakes and forgetting how to shoot a ball on target, it's having more fragile mentalities than wet toilet paper

Do you think Ronaldo would've lost to Liverpool that game in the CL? To come back from 3-0 down? No, Ronaldo isn't just a player, he is a leader on and off the pitch and makes the players around him /strongmind/. Messi himself is talented but he doesn't contribute leadership to the team, he sulks and blames his teammates. He has won nothing with Argentina and his team is more stacked than Portugal.

Messi is a talented player but Ronaldo is more than that and that's why he is the GOAT

By your logic barcelona is also shit right? Losing with a 3-0 lead. You just confirmed that Messi is indeed shit lmao. Thanks for clearing that up

Jj wouldn't have been 3-0 up against Liverpool in the first place because they're a good team unlike Atletico and Jj got dabbed on by literal zoomers

Yup, Barcelona are shit right now because Messi is the only person on the team who is capable of scoring in the Champions League. Messi isn't. The second highest amount of goals for Barcelona in the last two CL's comes from the opposing teams scoring own goals.

Messi is also a shit leader

Based retard

>blaming his teammates
Classic messhit loyalist, maybe if Messi didn't take all that money in wages they could afford players and not have to take loans out for them

Pique has scored more goals than Suarez in the last two CLs

>if Messi didn't take all that money in wages
How to spot the basketballamerican
Suarez, Dembélé and Coutinho are well paid for a job they are not doing

>WW3 against aliens
>in the trench facing an unstoppable onslaught
Who would you rather have commanding your division? You know in your heart the answer

Messi has the highest wages of any footballer.
So there is goalscorers on the team?

Messi would unironically be on the aliens side

>Yup, Barcelona are shit right now because Messi is the only person on the team who is capable of scoring in the Champions League
Thanks for finally admiting. Even though he his shit he is the one representing Barcelona. Imagine choking against Liverpool and fucking Roma with a 3-0 lead and still self proclaiming to be the GOAT yikes

Yup, and Messi has scored more goals than every other player on the team combined in the last two CLs. Messi has 18 goals, the second highest after own goal is Dembele with 4 goals. Suarez has a whopping two goals in his last 20 CL games.

>Messi has the highest wages of any footballer.
Yes, and? There's no wage gap in football and Barcelona has plenty of money to spend on good players

I know, he can't be the GOAT because his defense is shit. To be the GOAT he has to also play as a fullback on top of being the only goalscoring threat in the CL and main source of creativity on the team.

Messi is the highest paid player on the team and therefore should perform like it, don't blame his teammates for his inability to carry them.

>Messi is the highest paid player on the team and therefore should perform like it
But he does, what's your fucking point

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>plenty of money
>had to take out 31m loan for griezzeman
Gets the noggin joggin

When was the last time he won the CL?
When was the last time he won a cup for country?

He might be the best at barca but he isn't carrying them like a GOAT

Surely that doesnt have anything to do with paying transfer fees for Dembélé, Coutinho, Malcolm and De Jong?

And high Messi wages yes

You still havent made any progress on proving that Messi wages goes in the way of Barcelona for recruiting players.

12 goals and 3 assists in 10 Champions League game, 36 goals in the league, 15 goals more than the second highest goalscorer and being tied for most assists in the league isn't "performing as the highest paid player on the team"? Are you having a stroke?

So money they pay Messi could be used elsewhere, do you understand?

Are you? Why does your GOAT need his teammates to do the work for him? Does Ronaldo?

Also
>lol liga stats

so he's statpadding against trash opposition? i mean those goals didn't end up winning him anything.

It could, but it still doesn't proved to be a problem for Barcelona as they recruited plenty of highly rated attacking threats for the past 2 years that just didn't perform.

Maybe Messi is the reason they aren't performing

No he should score more goals. I mean why not make his usual runs like he does againg eibar and benis?

Surely you'd have a way to show why it would be Messi's fault and not the players own performance or the coach system

>Does Ronaldo?
Considering the fact that Juve won fewer trophies this year than the year before they got Ronnie, then yes he does.

Wasn't aware Barcelona didn't win the league this season

Messi with Argentina = no trophies
Messi with Barca = underperform in CL
Correlation

>Wasn't aware Barcelona didn't win the league this season
We're talking about the Champions, no? You keep saying Ronaldo won less trophies this year with Juve, but so did Messi with Barcelona. Is Messi just as much at fault as Ronaldo is?

>celebrating a one horse league
Lol, shall we celebrate PSG as well?

Maradona. Müller had dreadful technique.

I'm glad you know what a correlation is, now write something that would be a good explanation as to why a player isn't capable of finishing, making runs, dribbling, or controling the ball because of another player in his team

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Because Messi hogs the ball and chooses his friends to play not the best teammate for that position so his autism is sated

He changes from UCL to league then NT that's his pattern kek

So why did Higuain start for the best part of Messi's career in the NT if Aguero is Messi's best friend in the team

You responded to a post of me talking about both the Champions League and the league, and you said he didn't win "anything". You only know how to speak one language, at least try to be proficient in it.

>Is Messi just as much at fault as Ronaldo is?
Considering that Messi scored 51 goals in 50 games this season while Ronnie scored 28 goals in 43 games, then no, not really. But I feel like you should've figured out by this point that my entire argument is the fact that individual skill isn't measured by how good your teammates are. Again, if you only know how to speak one language then try to be able to speak it properly.

>Why does your GOAT need his teammates to do the work for him? Does Ronaldo?
LMAO
Who the fuck are eder, ramos, bale and guedes right?

Exactly who the fuck are they? Bale is an outcast at Madrid now Ronnie has left. He brings the best out in people
Prove their friendship is better than higuanxmessi

>Prove their friendship is better than higuanxmessi
lmao
How do you expect us to take you seriously you fucking ignoramus. Messi is friend with Aguero ever since their u20 world cup run, he's the godfather of his son and the talk about it every goddamn tournament. It's not a hidden fact.

goal.com/story/how-tragedy-forged-messi-friendship/index.html

>can't be taken seriously because I don't follow Messi's friendships
Pretty gay lad

>Put either in some shitty team and they'll struggle
Ronaldo carries Portugal to be /strongmind/ team
Messi flops with Argentina and can't win a single trophy

>I don't follow Messi's friendship but I'll gladly pretend to know about them to say he's picking his friends on the team
Yeah I accept your concession you fucking wanker

Why doesn't Dybala play for Argentina then?

>conceding to a manlet
Lol

and Argentina won fewer titles with Messi than with Maradona therefore Maradona>Messi right?

That was never even a contest

>this season

>just wait, Messi will win the treble this year and btfo all the haters

>just wait, Messi will win the domestic double this year and btfo all the haters

>just wait, Messi will win copa america this year and btfo all the haters

>well at least he gets the golden shoe for statpadding against Eibar

lmoa

>man united team with SAF, rooney, tevez, strong english core that even made a UCL final without him
>Stacked madrid team that blew shit tons of cash, and was supported by kroos, modric, ramos, bale, a set of youngsters, and with di maria winning finals MOTM in 2014, modric in 2016, and bale in 2018, zidane ancelotti and mourinho as coaches as well
>Juve who won shit tons of serie A titles prior and has cancelo, pjanic, dybala and one of europe’s best defense
>portugal team where pepe won Finals Motm, eder scored and made it out of the finals without him, and bernardo silva won player of the nations league by leading a ronaldo less portugal to the semis, where he only scored a hat trick against switzerland before dissapearing in the finals and having silva win finals motm by having guedes score
>he singlehandedly carried those teams

desperate ronaldo shills love to over exaggerate how much he did for those teams but those teams carried him just as much. face it gypsies

Yup, Mustafi is also better than both Messi and Ronaldo because he's won the world cup

Tf
Tp

Weird, I tried looking up how many trebles Ronaldo has won, but it seems like he hasn't won any? Why is that? Isn't he the GOAT?

If Ronny was a better player he'd finish his career with better individual stats - which he won't do. You guys act like his glory isn't shared with being one of the best United sides ever, one of the best Madrid sides ever, and a seven-run streak Juve side. He's never had a bad team for a big game in his life. Only when he can face Hungary and Wales and miss the final can he "show up".

Also,
>Nations League
>"International title"

For a guy that's a "pure poacher" he's only 18 goals ahead of Messi with more than 125 more apps. Meanwhile Messi is literally a CF/CAM/CM every game, can still outscore Ronaldo on a per game basis and gets double digit assists. Ronaldo as a player is the second best ever but he's not even half the player Messi is. Cope harder.

real good counterargument, paki

Because the coach doesnt want him to start, same reason Aguero rode the bench for so many years.
>manlet
And how tall are you Fahad?

Remember when Ronnie fans tried arguing that Ronaldo is the better player overall, then they had to shift the goalposts to "only scoring goals matter!!!", and now Messi has tied him in goals scored so they've been forced to move the goalposts yet again to "Ronaldo is better because he gets carried by Bale, Ramos, Eder and Guedes in CL finals and international finals"?

At least messi reached the semi

also
>season highlight is the annual atletico choke where the offense wasnt getting much shots in, there was a dive for a penalty, and ronaldo had to foul for a header

>individual skill isn't measured by how good your teammates are
yet no Xavi = no CL and chokes in copa america, I'd say this is very relevant.

If Messoy was a better player he'd finish his career with more international titles - which he won't do because he's a choker.

Individual skill is measured by individual skill, such as Messi being the top goalscorer in the CL this season and scoring twice as many goals as Ronnie. No Bale, no CL for Ronnie.

atleast ronaldo isn't a manlet freak

He's a mental manlet, which is worse

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>Individual skill
>Team stats

You're a brainiet. None of Ronny's team stats are impressive. 5 CLs? Seedorf and Maldini have that. A Euro? Fucking Greece in 04 is a better story than Portugal. 3 CLs in a row? You know every Madrid player from 14 - 17 has those too right?

Meanwhile, individually he's going to get eclipsed by Messi in goals in a ALL competitions except international, where the gap is less than 25. Cope

I’d be more concerned with how this 6 foot s o y boy cant beat the manlet at this point

>Messi has tied him in goals scored
sure against Alaves and Huesca

>No Bale, no CL for Ronnie.
Ronaldo won CL and ballon dors without Bale. Messi achieved shit without Xavi.

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the "debate" is just poe's law at this point

what's with that romanian so in love with ronaldo?

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>muh alaves and huesca
Ronaldo played against those teams as well too, and built an international career on raping the faroe islands and finland

>muh xavi
messi didnt have any of his top 4 all time assisters and averaged a goal per game and even in his 5th balon dor, he won a treble with xavi being old and crusty and having to be benched frequently

Nope, across their entire careers for their clubs.

>Ronaldo won CL and ballon dors without Bale.
Ronnie won a single CL before Bale, the year after winning it he lost to Messi who scored in the final while Ronnie did fuck all, then Messi scored against Real to knock him out of the semis in Ronnies first year at Halal where he again did fuck all. After that Halal magically stopped facing Barcelona in the CL knockout stages for some weird reason.

>Balloon doors
You literally couldn't cope any harder even if you tried. Again, gypsy, can you explain why Ronnie have only scored 6 goals in the CL this season when Messi scored 12 when he doesn't have Bale, Ramos, Modric, Marcelo and Benzema to carry him?

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>muh hat trick against eibar and benis
While Ronaldo is scoring hat tricks against Spain Switzerland and Atletico. TSUUUUUUUUUUUUU

I think you're in love with messoy. In a gay way.

>After that Halal magically stopped facing Barcelona in the CL knockout stages for some weird reason.
La if you want to talk about corruption talk about the match against chelsea that got the system baby in that final. Damn hypocrite

Talk about it all you want, every team benefits from refball, why would I deny it? There's going to be a pre VAR and post VAR era of football.

That's not the point. You are talking about the goal messi scored agains ManU when Barca didn't deserve to be in the final to begin with and when he didn't do shit against Chelsea.

Ronnie haven't done shit in more than half of the CL and international finals he's played him, doesn't stop him from lifting the trophy

hello twain good to see you again carry on

He was the top scorer of the CL he won and he was the one who put Portugal in the final. Also let me add that he scored goals in all of the group stage matches, something that was never done by any player. Next argument.

Hello am from portugal
Ronaldo no good plaer much selfish to many strikes not in goal
messi very good in pass and goals best plaer i seen all time

He still wouldn't have won those trophies if he didn't have teammates to carry him in the final. When Ronnie doesn't show up in a final, he wins the title but when Messi doesn't show up, his team loses. But sure, tell me more about how much better Argentina and Barcelona is than Halal and Portugal

>statpadding against Espanyol is very impressive
see
>he won a treble with xavi being old and crusty and having to be benched frequently
I'm tired of this shitty meme. Xavi played 44 games and only came off the bench in 10 games.
also
Neymar 39 goals, 10 assists
Suarez 25 goals, 23 assists
Messi had attacking partners who created 97 goals lmao how can you not win a treble?

>Ronnie haven't done shit in more than half of the CL and international finals he's played him
sounds like Messi carried by Neymar Suarez Etoo Villa while choking against Chile

>change the UCL and Euro argument again
Yikes. Also Argentina had a better squad than Portugal in 2016. Everyone but Messi perfomed well in Copa America. Ronaldo contributed for Portugal's route to winning the Euro. Got them through the group stage and got them in the final. Look at Messi Copa America this year. Before he got knocked out he only had 1 goal (penalty) and 0 assists. How do you want me to take that guy seriously?

no Ronaldo = no trophies

no Messi = Argentina most likely would have won at least +2 copa americas seeing how Messi choked in the last 300 minutes against Chile and missed a penalty. also without Messi Barcelona would still have two trebles thanks to Neymar and Etoo.

>tell me more about how much better Argentina and Barcelona is than Halal and Portugal
Barcelona spends 300m every summer to make Messi look good and Argentina2014 was 2x more valuable than Portugal, even without Messi they would have been on par with Italy England Belgium.

go ahead name a player who was top scorer or top assister for his club and played for Portugal next to Ronaldo. surely there were lots of them and Portugal was stacked right?

this
nobody can touch Messi when it comes to choking against literal whos in international games
>b-b-but you see when Messi chokes his team loses
then why the fuck is he choking so often?
he should rest for big games instead of statpadding against Betis when Barca has 23 points over 2nd place in la liga

>argentina which wins less games on average without messi would have won copa america without their player of the tournament
>neymar and etoo win the Treble regardless
this one is just stupid, messi was also top scorer in the UCL but provided more assists in 2015, and etoo also had stacked teams help him win his 2 trebles, Messi was the balon dor winner and played a significant role in both trebles, the fact that a player like that you brainlets think that he can be replaced easily amazes me.

>Yea Forums's messoy fanboys finally paid someone to autistically defend him like twain does for Tsuman
>it's an underaged swedish whiteboi that not only can't argue properly but who also gets easily baited by everyone else
welp, that about sums up messi's fanbase I guess

>you cant replace Messi, he was ballon dor winner and top scorer
>but Ronaldo was carried so what if he was top scorer and ballon dor winner

>Messi choked twice against Chile literal whos in international finals
>Ronaldo didnt score against France and Netherlands in international finals
>see, Ronaldo is worse than Messi, Messi is goat

mental illness.

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What's your point? Ronaldo's never trebled in his entire professional career while Messi has. Don't argue that his team was stacked - are we just going to ignore every team Ronaldo's played for?

Not sure why you're obsessed with arguing about Ronaldo's trophy haul and not his stats. Besides one more CL and a Euro he has nothing else. You're acting like you wouldn't just pull the "well the Copa happens ever year just so Messoy can win card" if he did win anyways. Just admit individually Ronaldo is less of a player, and he always will be. You can literally go on Transfermarkt and compare the game-to-game in La Liga over the last eight years. It's not even debatable. It's actually funny that his individual records are embarrassingly being overshadowed by an Argentinian manlet who has two years less on him and 125 less professional games. Cope harder.

this thread still up? these autists need a board on it's own for these shit threads
>imagine spending hours defending millionaires on the internet
>day after day

>pull the "well the Copa happens ever year just so Messoy can win card"
what is a card about that, it literally does. It's simply a lower tier competition than the Euro which is almost on the level of the WC. Statpadding against huesca and buying cls with uefalona doesn't make messoy close to the level of the topscorer of the knockout stages: TSU

The Copa is definitely inferior to the Euro so it should be completely disregarded in the discussion. If Messi wins it people will argue it's worth less. If he loses they'll just say he can't win.

>be TSU
>face the mighty Hungary, Austria and Iceland in Group F
>face the SCARY Croatia in R16
>face the ridiculously powerful Poland in QFs
>face the spooky wales semis
>get to the finals
>doesn't even score
>l-look guys, he has a euro and he scored in the knockout stages but he didn't statpad cause those aren't bad teams

Meanwhile:
>further he's even gotten in a WC is when he had almost no impact for 3rd place in 2006
>averaged an R16 finish in WCs
>can't even score against Germany, Brazil, Italy, France, Uruguay or even England
>statpads against Faroe Islands internationally and APOEL in the CL
>"clutch"

Ronaldo missed a few ez group games because of a red card while Messi got to statpad

Messi fans are taking their favourite player's obvious decline very personally.

He couldnt score a Fucking goal against liverpool... Ffs step up your game

Messi is the best player ever, Ronaldo always being mentioned in the same breath as him is just proof of his titanic determination and mental fortitude because there has been players a lot better than him, but no one with his drive to become a legend.

Ronaldo is superior to Messi at:
1)Areal
2)Long shoots
3)Overall physical ability
4)Using both legs
5)Overall mental ability
6)Inspiring and bringing out the best from others

Ronaldo is worse than Messi at:
1)Being toxic
2)Consuming pizza and sprite
3)Walking
4)Squeezing money and pushing administrative designations that bad for the club and nation

>designations
decisions ofc

How many goals did Ronaldo score vs Liverpool in the '18 final?

>Copa America is irrelevant
>Champions League is irrelevant
>Euros are irrelevant
>winning 3 Premier Leagues in a row is irrelevant
>tap-ins against 10men Valladolid and choking to Chile is very impressive, magisterial individual performance
such is life as a messoy fan

the "Messi dindu nuffin" internet defense shitposting was ramped up 10x after Messi ragequit Argentina yet again. clearly that wasnt suppose to happen because it goes against the good guy Messi narrative.

>I just assumed you were trolling since you called Atletico a good team
so laliga is farmers league because Atletico finished 2nd place.
what a great performance for Messoy to win la liga in 2019 surely he also won something else right?

Because Yea Forums is retarded and has nothing else to argue about

Messi is such a ballhog that he ruins the team spirit of the game

If you are an offensive player playing with Messi, you become the equivalent of a 3&D NBA player who is only allowed to stand in the corner and shoot the ball once His Majesty is done jerking off with it

And of course you are expected to do all the dirty work since Messi couldn't be bothered to move an inch without the ball at this feet. It's no wonder then that his teammates "underperform" and then get blamed for all of that while Messi gets absolved on any blame.

It's pure cancer. If Messi played like that on the street he'd end up in a trash bin.

is there an international version of this pic? im fed up with messi stans saying he had no team mates when he had guys like mascherano tevez aguero di maria etc worth tens of millions each

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underage retard

Let's all pretend that worth ethics and work rate in game has nothing to do with the value of a player then.
Why do people do stuff when there are other more talented than them?
Montenegro hit the max in the autism radar.

Swedenstan Btfo

post messi and dani alves warm up
ronaldo cant do that

>Müller had dreadful technique.
how come he was a european top-scorer for 30+ years before Messi reached prime?

In 2019 ronaldo is more admired in the world than messi

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>xi jinping
>obama
top kek

Ronaldo historically has the worst teams compared to Messi’s. Don’t pretend that Guardiola’s Barcelona is one of the best teams ever in club football.

>Look at all these trophies Ronny won that he shared with other players!!
>Doesn't even bother comparing their stats head to head because he knows it's a losing battle
>Knows there's no debate between them in goals scored within the next season, goals per game, xG, shots on target, chances created, assists, etc

It's like you're intentionally ignoring individual stats and acting like Messi has never won anything relevant in his life with little personal impact. They've both had great players with them. They've both had significant contributions. Messi's are literally more relevant over his entire career than Ronaldo's it's not debatable.

>Tfw when you score in the Euro group stages but don't score in r16, quarters, semis and the finals
>tfw you don't score in 90 minutes for 2/5 CL finals and statpad with a pen in OT when you're already winning
>tfw can't even reach a WC final let alone get out of R16 on average
>have less career wins than a manlet with 2 years more on him
>somehow you're a "moments" and a " big game" guy

Ronaldo has done it with three different teams, he's the CL's highest scorer, and shows up outside the group stages.

You Messi dick riders are looking more and more ridiculous as time marches on, and when Juve win the CL WTF excuse will you guys manufacture next?

Messi would do worse in a shitty team than Ronaldo. Selfish players do better in shitty teams.

>xavi
Is it me or is this guy a total fraud that people pretend was GOAT because it makes them seem like they know something every casual viewer doesn’t. He seems like an unathletic manlet who was really good at passing sideways to his much more talented team mates.

>three different teams
Two teams that are the best in their league and the second best team in the La Liga

>CL's highest scorer
Not for long, Messi is less than 20 goals away.

>shows up
Where? Ronaldo's been in 28 career finals and scored 19 goals and given 2 assists. Messi's been in 34 career finals, scored 29 goals and given 15 assists. Messi has a better individual contribution record in finals than Ronaldo. Ronaldo's been bailed out in 40% of his club finals by players who scored the first goal. He's never scored in an international final. Just like Messi, he spent eight seasons statpadding against midtable La Liga teams. Where does this idea of him being clutch come from? Knockout CL goals? So why does he only have 3 CLs at Madrid despite being there for 8 years? Why do trophies matter individually for him when he wins but when Messi wins it's all about his team? It makes no sense.

Messi is the better individual player. He contributes more to his team as a player and it's evident by statistics. If you care about wins, then you have to count for the other ten players on the pitch that help them both; and even then Messi > Ronaldo with 2 years less on him, which is sad. But for some reason Ronaldo's trophies are "his" but Messi's are his "teams". If you really care about trophies then Raphael Varane is the GOAT. He trebled the CL and won a WC.

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THE COPE

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>one stat
>knows he's gonna be outscored in CL goals as he already is in all comps
>isn't even the first to win 5 CLs
>didn't even score in 40% of his CL finals in 90 mins + OT
>reached less overall finals than Messi
>He's a big game player guys, I swear!!!

Mental illness

>is more likable
>the ultra narcissitic rapist that used to get angry when his mates score is more likable