Spee fixes the NFL

If there was an nfl match in Dublin, at Croke Park, it would have 70k there eating hotdogs and hollering. Irish people, even friends of mine, travel over to London to watch the games there, and it doesn't matter who's playing you can see just about every team jersey represented in the stands.
People love Americana, that's true.

Union and League both have world wide appeal. And league is arguably piss in your own mouth tier retarded so americans should love it. But that aside that rules out it being about the physicality of the sport.
Union has less concussions, though league is getting up there. So it might be that it's too pants on head injury prone so no one else cares.
USA is pretty decent at 7s. So it's not that the skills dont transfer in some way I guess.

The real actual reason is that other egg ball sports that brits love made it to the colonies first, so when america tries to push their shit outwards there is no hole for it to slot into. And then where egg ball sports aren't popular there isn't the nice area to tackle people to the ground on, so kicking a ball and crying when you touch the ground is preferred.

It's because the sport is singularly American, invented and played by Americans in telegram era. Just like baseball. The rest of the world likely had little to no clue these sports were being played until the 60s or so, at which point your local sports had already formed pro leagues who snatched up your entertainment dollar and hour.

In the modern era they tried with the Euro league but the grassroots support just wasn't there. Do your children play the sport? Do adults play in clubs for fun? I'm truly asking. I can't ever see gridiron being more than a fringe kind of thing across the pond, like Union is here or another homegrown sport, Lacrosse. It would take a level of investment and care that just doesn't exist.

I know of one man over here, a friend of a friend, who used to play in the Irish gridiron league. Yeah, we have a league here, it's amateur which is fine. You're right about there being no juniors.
I also met a fellow in Australia that played, he and a lot of his workmates all played.
Funny thing is here, a lot of the people I know that follow the nfl are considerably nerdish types. They're also the kind of folk that might be into d&d or tabletop war games.

CFL field length, 12 yard first downs, 1 offensive player can be in motion toward the line of scrimmage

>This is an exercise to determine why the NFL, or gridiron as a sport, is not globally relevant and to make suggestions so as to increase the appeal

Thats the problem "making the game global" shouldnt mean "having more people watching the NFL" of course an nfl game would sell out preetty much anywhrere, its globally recognized brand but that means jackshit for the state of the sport as a whole, what is needed is working on developing programs for people to play it and thats not something the nfl is intrested in, neithe is something they are obliged to do, even tho it would be something they would benefit from the long run, the biggest foreign market for the nfl are México, Canada and Japan, wht do we have in common? We are the only other countries in the World where american football is played to any serious level from youth programs to college IFAF and USA Football are the ones trying to make the practice of the sport more international, our american football federation has Also been doing some work in the area particularly trying to develope the game in latinamerica, sending coaches to give football clinics, mexican unis giving scholarships to a few brazilian players out of the u19 World championships and stuff like that, still its a long and slow process specially since none of those organizations have that much money but its getting there

Good post Mexico. Perhaps it's to do with the way the sport is organised, there's no strong international governing body like FIFA, ICC, or IRB (world rugby). The money is all, mostly, contained in the NFL and they've no reason to change the current setup - everyone involved is getting paid as is.

Well theres ifaf, the international federation of american football, theyve been organizing and sanctioning international competitions but is a Young federation with barely 20 years of existwnce, there was supposed to be a senior World championship this year but was postponed to 2023 because there was some beef between the french and american factions in 2016, shit got resolved tho

So how often do they usually have a world championships?
The other thing and back to the money, this is the kind of stuff the nfl should be throwing some money at. Maybe some more tournaments, like meme preseason tournaments with some national teams, international league teams, and some US college teams.

Every 4 years for the senior tournaments, same with the woman tournaments, u 19 and university championship every 2 years, they have yearly Flag football events if im not mistaken

Realistically preetty much any NT going against an nfl team even if its all third stringers and practice squad players would get demolished and sustain some serious injuries, at Best a CFL all star combine could maybe face them.

On the collegiate level there is the azteca bowl, an NCAA sanctioned bowl game played in México yearly since the 40s, a small colleges in the DII/DIII level plays against a mexican college football all star team, this bowl game is not ifaf sanctioned since it pre dates the existance of the federation, some mexican teams play against DII/DIII american teams for pre season matches and shit same with some High school teams, since the CFL is now working with the mexican league drafting some players from our teams canadian college squads are showing interest in games in México, one already took place earlier this year, a selection of pop warner players of my state have been going for a small tournament against local dallas teams in at&t stadium none of this is nfl relsted or supported tho, wich sucks the canadians are more into internationalizing the game at the pro level

I'm reminded that it was not the English who internationalized soccer, they even wouldn't attend the earliest world cups.
This is all very good stuff mate. I've to go now and it's late for you also but hopefully some others have some ideas or will come here to abuse us.

>merge with the American Rugby League
>adopt all the rules of Rugby
There.

Put the 32 franchises and create a two divisions system with pro/rel

I'm surprised American Football is not popular in Nipland despite the manga was popular. Even Rugby and Volleyball have bigger follower and league than Handegg.

in a perfect world....

>absorb the CFL and have 2 more CA conferences up north
>get a team in london, france, germany, and ireland or scotland
>that will be the starting EU division, can expand from there
>find some way to get SA and the Saudi's playing
>try and convince Japan to make it popular in asia
>get a russian league

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>more teams
>divisions by state
>remove commie draft and parity daddy
>make a ko of the Best in each state.
>less rules and make the game more fluid

The EU Gridiron fellowship is comparable to the US soccer fellowship. It's the underdog sport for the few actual enthusiasts of the sport, the large number that didn't make it at the respective top sports and those can't fit/identify with grown club structures and traditions.

It's not globally relevant because it's quintessentially American
Fat bastards running at each other, little play time, ads every 12 seconds and some pop star holding an entire fucking concert at halftime

Release lions onto the pitch until it's 11 a side, then introduce a round ball.

A proper pyramid.

Step 1 - Handegg ELITE (16 teams)
>Atlanta Falcons, Baltimore Ravens, Chicago Bears, Dallas Cowboys, Houston Texans, Indianapolis Chargers, Kansas City Chiefs, Los Angeles Chargers, Los Angeles Rams, Minnesota Vikings, New England Patriots, New Orleans Saints, Philadelphia Eagles, Pittsburgh Steelers, Seattle Seahawks, Tennessee Titans
Teams play eachother once home and away for 30 regular season games.

Step 2 - Handegg East/West (16 teams each)
>the remaining 16 NFL teams are joined by the 16 best teams outside of the NFL and then split evenly into two divisions by location
At the end of the season the top 2 teams from East and West divisions join the bottom 2 teams from the Elite league in a mini league of 6, with each team playing eachother once (home or away) for a total of 5 games each, the top 2 teams from this Survivor Series will then be in next season's Elite Division. Depending on the location of relegated teams, teams may be moved between divisions to keep them balanced.

Step 3 - State Leagues
Each state (or group of states) will have their own league that they govern themselves. Should an East/West league drop out, they would be replaced by the most suitable State team, otherwise there is no formal promotion/relegation.

The Elite, East and West Divisions each have their own League Cups.

The American Dream Cup is the biggie.

It starts with the state leagues in Pre Qualifying, with all teams entering a knockout competition until it's reduced to 32 teams. They then join the 32 teams from the Handegg East/West in two rounds of knockouts. The 16 remaining teams then play the 16 Elite Division teams in four more rounds, ending with the final two teams. This final is the Super Bowl.

Also, all Canadian handegg teams can fuck off, they play in their own league now instead of being leeches.

The MLS and ASL are magnitudes larger and more relevant than any European Girdiron League. 'Soccer' is the USA's 5th (possibly 4th) most popular sport, Gridiron is barely Top10 in most other countries.

But it is, not soccer big but it is widely played and nips are actually good at it

You make it sound as if gridiron in europe is for nerd rejects

It's a organized "professional franchise league". The NFL Europe had pretty damn good spectator numbers, they failed at getting TV and ad deals.
Now you have a number of hobby and semi professional leagues where the most notable are the german and austrian american football leagues. Then there's something like a "try to make Girdiron CL happen. It's all very small stadiums with small crowds, no tv coverage and no united lobby putting weight behind it.
You already see the interest is there like public viewings for the SB are full everywhere and attract large numbers. Same for the pubs running "Red Zone" every game day.

It kinda is. The public viewings attract a crowd of expats, local long time fans and a very large number of literal faggots/sojboys
Same with the local clubs that consist mostly of:
>expats who love the game or didn't make it into the NFL
>locals actually into the sport + the football, handball, icehockey rejects who never made it pro
>fagboys that either quit or join the cheerleaders after the first few trainings and matches but still larp as "football players" walking around in their jersey/team attire everywhere not short of going to the pub as literal full kit wanker.

>fagboys that either quit or join the cheerleaders after the first few trainings and matches but still larp as "football players" walking around in their jersey/team attire everywhere not short of going to the pub as literal full kit wanker.

Disgusting, but at least they try, Who coaches? Just Random Americans with knowledge of the game? Also have you heard about any youth teams or is it Just dudes in their 20s or 30s getting into the sport

Fact: there are more Englishmen in the NFL than there are Americans in the EPL.

What sport isn't globally relevant?

Just wait for the XFL

For me, its the Indiannapolis Chargers

How many of those are legit brits and not Just army base babies?

Doesn't change the other fact that soccer is more popular in America than gridiron is in England, since we're comparing.
My experience has been that the guys from here that play gridiron are not playing rugby instead for whatever reason, for some guys they're sort of too big for rugby if that makes sense, for other guys the niche sport is the appeal. Then there's also the legitimate opinion that they prefer gridiron over rugby, although that could also be a cultural preference. I think the sports are different enough that there's space for both.

All that says is Brits are better all round athletes and Americans are too shit to play top level football.

gridiron in europe is for nerd rejects

You can't be serious? What do the British win at? Cricket? You're soccer team has achieved the same as ours in the last 30 years. You're irrelevant at the olympics. You're non existent in basketball. You're pretty much terrible at all sports. You do make great music though.

People playing rugby here are in many cases former american football players past their college elegibility years that dont want to join the amateur old folk leagues but still feel like they need some more brain damage, i tried it for a while Kek, Also argies and french people living in México

Heh true.

Why tho? I get is not mainstream but what appeals nerds about football? Is it the autisitc level approach the league has towards statistics? Fantasy football? It reminds them of turn based rpgs? you are not first people i see that has the same opinion

Coaching is often locals that played for some time in the US college divisions, US expats or from the NFL europe left overs. Surprisingly enough the tactical level of play is pretty good but it's the lack of actual professional players. We are just amateurs training 4x a week in the evening + game day and that's what you can expect from it.

We have a very prominent flag football youth league (6-16) but actual football usually starts around 15-16 years old. The largest influx comes around 18-20yo from other sports usually the people that are too god for the lower league shitters, can't make it into the pro leagues and don't want to train 6x a week, work only 30-50% having all the restrictions like a professional team but essentially doing it without monetary compensation like the Jannie.

There's a lot of growth atm but it's still far away from a mainstream sport.

Bear in mind this comes from an admittedly nowadays casual fan and former (brief) player

Spectator-wise it's not great. Something happens, everything stops (sometimes in a big pile in the middle where you can't actually tell what happened) and then you're hanging around waiting to go again. The TV with the glitz and that exotic sheen of Americana helped a lot with that but not so sure as a live experience, at least not from the "walk past it in the park" perspective. At least a Union ruck or a League tackle has something happen almost immediately. And ever since it sucked Murdoch cock to go exclusively pay per view, you don't just stumble across it as you could when Channel 4 carried it (yes I'm old!)

Playing - the most obvious obstacle is cost. Importing the kit is prohibitively expensive (or, if I'm honest about being out of touch, was. No idea now), although most clubs will loan for this reason. And at least in rugby any position can in theory have a go at anything. As a prop forward I could carry the ball, run with it, even kick if need be. In gridiron, whatever you'll do is what you'll do and that's it. Not much variety to offer.

Pro play for me should be the least concern for the development of a sport imo, having strong youth college programs is the key, we Just started our pro league 5 years ago but we have over 80 years or organized college football and youth leagues in preetty much every state in the country

Any footage of Austrian games?

>shut down the NFL
>that's it
>no more steps
>the homosexuality ends and the USA finally unlocks their potential as a GOAT Rugby nation

Meant swiss sorry

School sports are here not a thing beside recreational. My Uni had a few semi competitive teams playing in a university league but that was closer to pub league tier. All the professional sports or could be professionals are played in organised clubs off campus.

Sure, it's a live stream from our last game
youtube.com/watch?v=wYLmPGOoeAo
footage starts at about 22min, Kick-off at 28min.

The NFL was literally the greatest sport on earth in the nineties when people actually tackled each other hard. Bring back 90s NFL and cancel literally every other sport on the planet tbqh.

Based. I had no idea about this, seeing as the anti-american vitriol spewed around the internet is very loud. I had the impression that anything american was at least universally distrusted, or just ignored in any place with its own culture already.

I still don't suppose there will ever be "American Fests" in europe like we have German, Greek, Polish festivals. I even saw an Albanian-American fest in Detroit once. Although, the Albanian fest was pretty sad; they wanted $20 dollars to get in, despite the entire event only looking like 2 or 3 tents and a couple of port-a-potties. I can only imagine that it was more of some sort of meeting point between new Albanian immigrants because I highly doubt they expected to attract a lot of people. The worst part was the disappointment on the ticket guy's face after I found out the price.

Rugby is based so I wouldn't mind it
As long as we can still trash and meme on the Cowboys it will be good

Those kind of ethnic festivals are more for the diaspora to get together as well as anyone else that's curious to come along and meet new friends. They're basically good fun, and $20 is too much probably.

Americana stuff over here, what I'm thinking of, is places like Eddie Rockets which is a hamburger restaurant decked out in the style of what Irish people think the 50's was like in America and people love that stuff.

Rugby is the same hyper niche sport as gridiron here. Both attract the same pool of players and have roughly the same following
Here the split for team sports is Soccer >> Icehockey >> Handball/Floorball >>> Rugby/gridiron.
The preference is a clear factor the other is even if you're not that good there's still a chance to play as most clubs can't be that picky the more you go down the "popularity" scale.

Thats alright, a shame college sports arent bigger in other countries, having university backing really helps specially for a sorta costly sport such as football

Yeah having some big money backing it would help a lot but that is for how our universities are organised not possible. As University is state funded, tuition is very low and outside money/influence being injected into the universities is frowned upon.

At least for our standards football is not that expensive. Hockey costs 4-5x the money for a set of equipment and it's still the second most popular and played sport so it's not that big of a issue overall.

>wants Yea Forums to fix football
>leaves it to people who don't know shit about it

think the cfl can help with global appeal
cfl has rules about player nationality, and there's quotas enforced on team make up
burgers are ruled import
leafs are non-import
everyone else is international
every team needs to have one international player, next year it's two
international players don't count as much against practice spots ether
for a long time there was no pathway to 'professional' football, now there's some mexican kickers and receivers from germany and finland making ~50k usd
cfl rules value smaller faster players, easier to find around the world than nfl level players
import and internationals can now earn non-import status by playing at a leaf university for 3 years

they can host international exhibitions for a lot less money, supposed to be games in mexico in 2020 or 2021
cfl sold the mexican tv rights for $4 million, they can give away the rights cheaper than nfl
by being a discount league they have a lot more flexibility

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Seems like our Boys are doing well up there, and its not only kickers, you Just hear of them more often as of week 4 there are 7 active roster Mexicans in the CFL 2 kickers, 4 lineman and a Wide reciever, theres other 10 or so Mexicans in the practice squads

do you think the cfl games in mexico will be played at azul?

>cfl rules value smaller faster players, easier to find around the world than nfl level players
this is a valid point, not sure about the rest

usually when you are trying to implement a sport in area that has little experience of it you have to take a top down approach in that you have to put a high level team/games there to get interest going. the appeal of going on the other side of the world to make $50k is only going to do so much.

it's evidenced here with hockey. youth participation tends to skyrocket in areas that get NHL franchises. youth participation in almost every sport here has declined significantly but has went up a lot in hockey since the 90s

Most likely yeah, its a decent size venue, big enough to be worth the trip, not imposible to sell out like azteca, guess a game in Monterrey could work aswell

how often are there bullfights next door? I'll come if there's a bullfight within a week of the game
is the area around the stadium ok to stay in?

I think the main events are in january and february and yeah the stadium is in one of the safest parts of México city, i stay in my dada place like 2 blocks away of estadio azul when i go there

So what you're saying is... WORLD LEAGUE

>Funny thing is here, a lot of the people I know that follow the nfl are considerably nerdish types.
Heh. Funnily enough, the same is true of soccer fans here.

>They're also the kind of folk that might be into d&d or tabletop war games.
You know, I never thought about it before, but ignoring the ties football has to macho shit in American culture, this makes a surprising amount of sense.

Ive never played dungeons and dragod or something, but have played fantasy football and yeh shit is preetty fucking nerdy

/Bills Owl 2020/ must happen

Even without fantasy it's probably the most formation heavy sport I can think of, ideal for most wargamers.

It is 11 a side though

It is literally the most strategic sport that exists.

Remove armor and helmet

True, for me thats the Best part of football, but Also is a bit of a burden for the sport, its easy to understand soccer or basketball but if you didnt grew up with football is very hard to get a liking for it later in life

A 7 on 7 padless tackle football league already exists (or existed) in the US, its the most retarded concept i can think off

Read the thread. We're getting some great ideas and exchange of information.
I'm ok with CFL taking charge of growing the game of gridiron internationally. The first thing though is that CFL competition doesn't have the same kind of slick appeal that the NFL has, then again if your target audience is the players and nerds in Europe and everywhere else, I think it will have legs.
Mexibro was saying up thread about the Canadians vis a vis international gridiron.
I really like what you're saying about giving the rights away cheaper, I'm imagining right now the CFL being broadcast on TG4 with Irish language commentary.

>he first thing though is that CFL competition doesn't have the same kind of slick appeal that the NFL has
if you think it's bad now you should have seen it about 15 years ago
there even used to be games with no commentators or first down marker

yea those sorts of leagues pop up every now and then, everyone gets injured within two seasons and it folds. It's important to note the history of the pads, namely guys died so often that we almost banned the sport entirely back in the early days of the game.

The sport's headed in the right direction, the best thing they could do would be to force better tackling, while they're fun to watch it should probably be illegal to launch yourself at someone without attempting to wrap up.

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>Mexibro was saying up thread about the Canadians vis a vis international gridiron.
The NFL is catching up in that regard, though, and they'll likely continue heading towards every team having at least one international prospect

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They are but still i dont think the nfl is the right path to international game, simply the american talent pool is way too big, the 4 practice squads spots are cool and maybe one of those players one day makes it into a roster but in the meantime the canadian and mexican efforts make a bigger impact

Also the Best thing the nfl could do is something like nfl Europa, it was a development league that gave a better chance to non american players sadly it wasnt commercially viable

Yeah, apparently the NFL Europa league lost $50m in it's last season (2007). It's a shame it couldn't be figured out to work though because there was 48k fans at the last ever game.

The NFL Europa was pretty much a german league with some others participating.