If Messi was exactly the same player but played for Spain, would he be considered the goat?

Yes. Messi is the GOAT

guess Rapinoe is the goat then

>would he be considered the goat?
he's already considered the GOAT

He would be undsiputed GOAT and argies would hate him less than they do today.

She is the GOAT woman to have ever lived. She will bring equal pay to women.
#resistDrumpf

Stop it, Ezra. Messoy isn't a goy

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they probably wouldn't have a cup

She’s GOAT women player, Marta is not despite her achievements, cause she doesn’t have WCs.

if messi plaed for spain, spain wouldn't have won in 2010 and Argentina would have won in 2014

...

everybody aknowledge marta and ada are the goats of football

He is the goat already
But for spain he would've been the GOAT (of all timelines) for sure

this

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How would they have played? Iniesta on the left for Pedro and Messi right?

top club teams are better than top national teams

He is the goat already

If messoy was exactly the same player but played for Spain, would he be considered the goat? If messoy played for Porto in 2004, Liverpool in 2005, Barcelona in 2006, Milan in 2007, United in 2008, Barcelona in 2009, Inter in 2010, Barcelona in 2011, Chelsea in 2012, Bayern in 2013, Real Madrid in 2014, Barcelona in 2015, Real Madrid in 2016, 2017, 2018, Liverpool in 2019, would he be the GOAT? What if he also went on loan for a month every year to play 3 games in the League winner of every top4 league to get those medals as well? What if we replaced messoy with Ronaldo in these sentences? What if instead of asking these inane questions that try to shift blame away from messoy failing to win a trophy with a footballing giant nation and missing a clear 1v1 in a Worldcup final where he got carried to we asked why there are still midget cocksuckers on Yea Forums when Ronaldo got a Euro trophy for Portugal who never won a trophy before during their whole existence?

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>missing a clear 1v1

just love how penaldo bots are shameless liars

get in the shower you cockroach
youtube.com/watch?v=q4pyzdQAEeo
next question fucking liar?

Catalunya independent when?

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lmao if you consider this a 1vs1 then you don't know football and that explains why you rate ronaldo this highly

casillas/valdez
ramos - puyol - pique - alba
busi
iniesta - xavi
pedro - messi - villa

there's nothing to consider, he is through on goal and far enough from the keeper to be able to pick his spot with noone able to close him down

he couldn't go left of right, it was at the same level as the defenders that's not what a 1v1 is. but of course you'll deny it this is your nature to lie.

If missi was a goat he would be the goat

>Iniesta
>Xavi

Yes. The one knock on Spain was their lack of attacking quality. Plus, he would've had his two butlers feeding him tap-ins.

xD try harder, it's in your nature to lie even if everyone can see the video I posted. How delusional are you willing to be to suck midget dick?

>lack of attacking quality

David Villa was one of the best finishers of his generation

you can't expect the goat to score from this, it was higuains fault

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imagine thinking that's 1v1 AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

pathetic fanboi who don't know anything about football

>David Villa was one of the best finishers of his generation
kek

asking the real fucking questions here puskas

Its an imposible shot, only a goat could score from there

say whatever you want frog, that was a clear chance and Messi - as per usual - choked. he never delivers when his teams need him and that's the biggest reason he's not the GOAT

based and redpilled

Triple dubs of truth

I don't want this toxic migdet in my NT

that's not considered a clear chance.

you say that but reality is a bit more stubborn than that, for example i don't see messoy morphing in line with the defenders on the image i posted, even though you said he was level with them. he seems to be ahead still. nothing a little photoshop cant fix though, you better get to work

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Mustafi has a world cup, guess that means he's better than both Ronaldo and Messi

2004: choked to greece at the euro
2004: choked to west bromwich albion in the league cup
2004: choked in the CL ro16 against porto
2005: choked in the FA cup final against arsenal
2005: choked in league cup semi final against chelsea
2005: choked in the CL ro16 against milan
2006: choked in the FA cup against liverpool
2006: choked in the CL group stage, got eliminated
2006: choked to france at the WC
2007: choked in the FA cup final against chelsea
2007: choked in the CL second leg against milan
2007: choked in the league cup against southend united
2008: choked in the community shield final, won with penalty shootouts without shooting one
2008: choked in the FA cup against portsmouth
2008: choked to germany at the euro
2008: missed his penalty in the penalty shootout, got bailed out by Terry slipping
2009: choked in the fifa club world cup final, got bailed out by rooney
2009: choked in the CL final while Messi scored
2010: choked to spain at the WC
2010: eliminated in the ro16 by lyon in the CL
2011: choked in the CL semifinal against Messi who scored twice
2012: missed his penalty in the penalty shootout of the CL semifinal
2012: choked to spain at the Euro
2013: choked in the CL second leg against dortmund
2014: choked in the copa del rey final, got bailed out by di maria and bale
2014: choked against germany and the usa in the groupstage of the WC, got eliminated in the groupstage
2014: got bailed out in the CL final by ramos
2015: choked in the fifa club world cup final, got bailed out by ramos and bale
2016: choked in the final of the CL, got bailed out by ramos
2016: on the bench in the euro final, got bailed out by Eder
2017: choked in the fifa confederation cup against chile
2018: choked in the CL final, got bailed out by benzema and bale
2018: choked to uruguay at the WC
2019: choked in the coppa italia against atalanta
2019: choked in the nations league final, got bailed out by Guedes

choke artist, carriednaldo

Of course not, only GOATs could score from there

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>Ronaldo literally watches his team win the Euro final from the bench
>This is somehow proof that he's better than Messi

1) he can't go right, the defenders will block him immediatly, he only that angle, if he wait longer the defenders can close the distance and it also reduces the goal openening, that's not what a 1v1 is, torres goal against barca was a 1v1, huguain's attempt in the final was a 1v1.

He would have a WC and two EUROs and most people would consider him the GOAT. But most people consider him the GOAT nowadays anyhow, and if there is someone that can come close to him is Maradona.
Ronaldo could win 4 straight WCs and he wouldn't be as good as Messi. He isn't half as important for his team as Messi is, he doesn't have half of Messi's technical ability and isn't as complete as Messi, and also Messi is undeniably the best ever in terms of regularity. Ronaldo is a top 15 or top 20 player ever, Messi is top 1 or top 2 without needing to win an international trophy.
Also, out of the players that are considered GOAT contenders:
-Di Stefano didn't win a WC
-Pelé didn't play in Europe and therefore didn't win a European Cup
-Cruyff didn't win a WC
-Maradona didn't win a European Cup and didn't even play in a big team in Europe, except for Barcelona in which he choked (if we could even consider Barcelona a big club at the time)
If trophies are the only thing that matters, then Sergio Ramos is the GOAT.

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neuer could stop all the shots here, that pic and how it is cropped is all the space messi had, all was covered by neuer, he aimed the only place where it was the hardest for neuer to catch the ball, bottom right, I agree he should have done like ronaldo and dumbly shit at neuer and pray for a major fuck up

>can't deny he's carried

what is this autistic obsession with a player needing to win a WC to be considered great, anyway? just seems like yet another arena for messi v ronaldo autism (like there is even a contest) and last I checked, penaldo doesn't have a world cup either

If he were the goat he would have scored
Simple as

not winning the WC since 69 years made you insane

state of this post you can literally smell the virgin scent
have sex, please

Fantastic argument, Ngubu

>can't deny the facts that he is a choke artist
had sex

Messi fans will look at the play and this pic and tell you with a straight face it wasn't a clear chance. You'd think at some point they'd acknowledge they're wrong and shut their traps.

do you people ever get tired of talking about messi?

this is a literal fantasy thread about a impossible "what if"

bougnole please. i know all the beurettes are chasing black men out there in your banlieue, but you dont have to take out your sexual frustrations on Yea Forums

it was't a clear chance, you don't even know what a clear chance is.

He's already considered the GOAT by everyone involved in football and everyone who has watched football since at least 2008 and doesn't have some sort of bias for Ronaldo.

Seriously, find me anyone, whether it be a current player, retired player, manager, coach etc. who has actually said Ronaldo is better than Messi or Ronaldo is the GOAT and doesn't have an association with Man Utd, Real Madrid or Portugal.

It amazes me how they claim he is the goat, but somehow that shot was too difficult for him.
You cant have it both ways.

>let me tell you about your country
All the arabs here prefer Ronaldo lmao

it's bougnoule, and arabs are obsessed over ronaldo.

Yea Forums is contrarian
everyone in football agrees messi is the greatest
it is no surprise that you get retards on here trying to claim he is actually SHIT and wouldn't walk into any team as the best player

what made Yea Forums turn against messi? demographic change, perhaps?

must be why they are constantly obsessing over barca and messi on french twitter
mdrrrrrr

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casuals enjoying the TSU memes and picking a side

youtu.be/odt2TPhuuxY
youtu.be/VwdeLEb_X2E
Some video evidence

That's not true
Its arguable if hes even a Top 3 Argie ever

the only time he was carried was when he was injured

they infinitly more obsessed with ronaldo, I mean the true football experts among them know messi is the best player.

You dont know what you are talking about

ah yes, when he is on the pitch, is a total ghost but his team wins he wasn't carried? ah right...

lmao

i can't deny he carried a european cup above his head

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no it isn't

>d-dont care
Yawn
You obviously care, and you're wrong. Anyone that has lived in France will tell you that

Have dignity

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they were posting messoy messoy messoy but every time he just choked, and nobody was there to upvote them when they said it was higuain's fault so they got depressed and left

why does ronaldo keeps choking?
show me all his goals in those finals he won on his own

I could understand someone arguing that Maradona or Pele were better than Messi, but honestly Ronaldo doesn't come close.

It is. Maradona, Di Stefano and Moreno are better

ronaldo is the best because eder and guedes won him trophies, he is the best because ramos scored in finals and Terry slipped. GOAT GOAT GOAT

It's only a near impossible shot like his delulded fans claim it to be if you're a leftie who's dumb enough to try and place the ball at the bottom right corner with an outside curling shot. He was close to the goal, he should've gone with raw power and try to hit it as close to the top/bottom corner as he could without applying any meme curves. He was so nervous he instinctively took a terrible decision. Such a mental midget could never be a GOAT. Further proof of his bad performances under pressure can be found in his penalties records.

In pleb circles, yes.

Enlightened patricians know he's the GOAT regardless of his lack of NT trophies.

Remember when the "choker" Messi scored against the "strong mind" Ronnie in the CL final when he was at Manure to win the title while Ronnie did jack shit, then the next year he scored against Ronnie again in his first year at Halal to knock him out of the semis while Ronnie again did jack shit?

>Maradona
debatable
>Di Stefano
hardly comparable
>Moreno
lmao

8 seconds

MISSI FANBOY BTFO

was that the same year when Ronaldo beat him in the final because uefalona had no more cash for the referees after spending it all to get Pepe sent off?

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A Real customer crying about refball, now thats rich

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Messi is a system baby and Spain from 2008-2012 just played the same possession game he loves so much. Heck, we even had sitters like cesc play as false 9 because the Barcelona system only worked with Messi as false 9. Spain lacked goals, so with Messi, we would've won the 2014 wc easily and probably the 2018 one

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>always exaggerates
it sure as fuck wasn't a clear chance

>Further proof of his bad performances under pressure can be found in his penalties records.

ronaldo misses more often in penalty shootout than messi, ronaldo misses more often his penalties with his national team than messi

Explain to me how Messi could carry Barça to dominate Real Madrid in La Liga all these years.
refs make mistakes, and the mistakes usually benefit the team that attacks the most. It's unfair to say that the success of either Barça or Madrid is due to refball, they both got more or less the same amount of favouring decisions.

i'm not going to replay yesterdays thread with you fucktard

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>Explain to me how Messi could carry Barça to dominate Real Madrid in La Liga all these years.
...while Ronaldo couldn't carry Real Madrid

Why? You do that every day anyhow, dont you

real was far more helped by referees than barca ever was.

explain to me why they didn't call suarez's foul on varane when undiano alraedy put his whistle to his mouth and the sideline ref was repeating foul by suarez foul by suarez

pussy, you get confronted with facts and you hide behind childhish memes

yes

Villa was just an average striker that had the luck of getting balls fed by Xavi and Iniesta during the golden age of Spain. Just look at his numbers in Barcelona, once Xavi got old, Villa became useless

>source: my ass

el macho cabrío

>Mention two separate years, both years where Messi knocked out Ronaldo from the tournament
>"was that the same year when Ronaldo beat him in the final"
Are you having a stroke

so Messi could carry Barça to dominate La Liga in an entire decade because Undiano didn't call a foul on Varane in one game?
I wouldn't say so.

barca got refballed this year, matip's handball, roberton's red worthy shove on messi's head, when was the last time real got refballed in the champions league? offsides don't exist for them, handballs against them don't exist.

This. Villa is the most overrated player in the history of Spain

>roberton's red worthy shove on messi's head
my sides. and you have the audacity to call anyone a pussy.

it's an agression outside of play. red.

ur fucking worse than twain. kys

no, barca could be gifted leliga after leliga despite choking hard because like every other clasico, they had the ref in their pockets, except this time the evidence for corruption is more blatant than ever

those are the rules.

the only fact i was confronted with today is how retarded frogs are when it comes to football
what about the messoy punch that lead to the deflected freekick goal, not only was he spared the redcard, he even got a freekick from it

In modern football, national competitions are where the individual talent matters the most and Messi fucking chokes constantly, even in lesser competitions like Copa America.Since he didn't play in any other team in his club career, there's no evidence to say he's not a systembaby.

you both are the same kind of idiot, only on different sides.

Nowadays Barça's system is not the same than Barça's system under Guardiola, or Tito, or Martino, or Luis Enrique.

barca got valid goals cancelled last season. barca is simply a better team than real in league competition, mostly because of messi who score in many games rather than scoring a lot for in fewer games

>what about the messoy punch
ahahahahahahaah

it never was a punch, fabinho obstructed messi, that is the foul, messi put his arm over fabinho's body to gain momentum while evading his obstruction but his hand fell on top of fabinho's head, oh nooooooo
you don't even watch games lmao

yep and a doctor is the same kind of idiot as a killer, only on the other side.

Martino >>> Valverde

im not interested in your delusional fanfic, i saw the match

no, that's not a valid analogy. You're both doing mental gymnastics to justify your moronic views.

>it's another episode of the plastic real customer featuring Urugay,a wild Hue and an american bringing black men into the discussion
>it is the silverware for your country argument while playing not in the final
>Uefalona is the biggest evil of this world with their corruption
>Florentino Perez and Real Madrid are even purer than our lord Jesus Christ,they don't even know the word corruption
>CR has never been carried in any final ever
>those who shall name LaLiga as an argument,you shall dismiss,only the EPL under Fergie and Seria A with Juventus are worthy League Titles
>LaLiga was always a famer
>we use the final as an argument that argentiania lost with 1
>while portugal lost with 4 and Ronnie shot a free kick into another midget named Lahm
>in the next episode:Famous gypsie mosque shooter with various proxies holds his PHD thesis on Lionel Messi
>this was Yea Forums tv,more discussion about black people following in the evening when americans are online

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yeah you're right, he just felt that he would casually punch fabinho. retard

Not true on any counts. The more obvious refballs are in the Chanpions League and Messi still couldn’t get pass to a final recently. There’s PSG and the final against Juventus were Juve got robbed.

it's a valid analogy im telling the truth, he's trying to destroy the truth, and you're being a centrist in an arbitrary point between truth and bullshit, which is bullshit

it never stopped him before, he punched a hungarian player in his argentina debut

Based

Silly ape everyone knows that ronaldinho is the true goat i agreed that messi is a top 3 player though just not numer 1

Gullit

Absolutely

>everyone
K

LOL no. If Villa had played a few years ago, with Clemente as a coach and Fernando Hierro and Guillermo Amor instead of Xavi and Iniesta, he would have scored zero goals with the NT
Basically this

he won in his first try and scored more goals in knockout stage than both, what's your excuse now?

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None, because judging how good a player is based on international football trophies won is only something subhuman Bra7i1ians like you do

yes

Yes, completely undisputed too because of the three international trophies.

Yep.

For all their "domination" Spain had a shit attack and won most games 1-0

>no riquelme

what a retard
are you a fag?

>Sweden
>trying to mock anyone about 7-1
2-5

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do i agree soft punches like that should be redcards? not really
are soft punches redcard worthy in modern football rules? yes, and messi got away with it against liverpool so i dont appreciate catalanoids crying about injustices

Wow, how impressive of you to beat the mighty powerhouse of football that Sweden is

he has one more world cup than both of those frauds

maradona > kempes > Messi

fpbp

so, barcelona+ramos?

this is actually OP as fuck. thank God Messi wasn't playing for Spain or their success would have made the sport boring

There is only one catalan there though. Masche and Iniesta are not. Busquets is obviously a xarnego. He looks at least 75% Andaluz.

His mother isn't Catalan and he isn't
>called Sergio instead of Sergi

Ramos sucked as RB

fucken based

kej

yes because he'd have players to help him beat germany in 2014