Why do most US “soccer/football” only fans larp and try to copy English football culture...

Also this. No one here cares about soccer or plays it, so the only way that soccer s󠛡󠛡󠛡o󠛡󠛡󠛡ychildren could develop something resembling a soccer culture was to shamelessly imitate foreign fan practices.

>BUT WE ARE THE ONE TRUE ULTRAAAAAS-
kill yourselves. Your """""club""""" was founded a few weeks ago by wall street investors.

basically they feel they dont fit in (or like) other sports and this one they have latched onto as theirs.

>copy English football culture
Its not even that, they seemed to have tried to 'mesh' loads of different fan cultures from across Europe. In England we don't have Ultras or have 'capos' leading chants

Cringe

youtube.com/watch?v=1tBps0GUITM

That's because soccer has never been much of a presence in our sporting landscape. "Cultura Futbolistica" can't exist in a country if 95% of the population isn't even involved in the sport in the first place.

>"Alright so..."

unironically MLS/Soccer is pretty much a counter-culture thing which explains why their fans are such try-hard douchers

idk but if you're a fan of an epl team, I'd imagine it's not a cringey, since they'll copy the chants fans in england sing. at least that's what I do/many others at the bar for the team I like. this mls mess is on some other shit.
and no, I don't have a 'local' club to support here. my usl league one team that I used to watch dissolved and I refuse to support nycfc because of the man city connection or new york red bulls because no.

>Travel to Europe in the summer to experience the exciting pre-season atmosphere of Derby County vs Girona

because where as soccer is organic everywhere else in the world, Americans are naturally just repulsed by it and over compensate with cringe. Until you have youth development on par with the rest of the world or the kids develop a natural love for playing it after school (think Brazil, where they eat, breath, live it) then it will continue to be a joke.

He's just a larping faggot, not Australian

Ultras =/= Hooligans/Firms
I know, that's a difficult concept to understand if you only know your club from seeing them on tv.

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because those "fans" care more about people knowing they like soccer than they do about the actual fucking sport

Not even youth development, you need a baseline national interest in the sport. Until this is achieved, soccer is doomed to remain a novelty sport over here.

Just imagine if soccer in the US received even 15% of the funding, support, and cultural attention that gridiron football and basketball both enjoy.

this
america doesnt have a natural soccer culture like everywhere else

America has no culture, just watered down versions of multiple others

>Ultras =/= Hooligans/Firms
Come to Croydon and say that Fritz

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I lived in the USA for a bit and from my perspective this is the best answer

I am a season ticket holder of Atl Utd and was really into the team for the first couple seasons, but I think the gay bullshit is finally catching up to me. Maybe its also my having moved closer to the Braves, but I feel like I'm way more interested in pretty much any other Atl team at this point (even the fucking hawks). The "lets by like yurop except not really because those fans are actually more like average american football fans" retarded shit is just too much for me to deal with sometimes.

Nfl games are honestly just as bad, a bunch of grown men wearing hard hats/cheese heads/football helmets and wearing some rookie draft picks jersey.

They used to be notoriously violent and rowdy until the NFL stepped in to clean up the league's image. Before the 90s, NFL fandom and stadium behavior was indistinguishable from that of Balkan soccer fans.

We have a sports culture the “only soccer” fans are just too pretentious

No they aren't, you retard. NFL fans are something that spawned out of american sports culture. MLS "fandom" is a retarded attempt at being like "those progressive enlightened liberal yuropeans", despite the fact that actual yuro soccer fans are basically on the same level as american football fans, if not work. Most sports appeal to working class people. The major exception is soccer in america, which appeals to retarded yuppies and millennials, eager to distance themselves from the "backwards, brutish, exclusive, racist, sexist, homophobic, etc. sports culture that other american sports have".
>t. millenial
>t. former yuppie
>t. general sports fan
>t. soccer fan before it got remotely popular here

>exciting pre-season atmosphere of Derby County vs Girona
>he didn't experience it when Eintracht Braunschweig played Valencia CF in a pre-season friendly and mocked them for never having won the German championship
English football nowadays is like everything genuine ultras try to prevent, just saying. And genuine firm culture died with the in Sheffield.
Try going to countries like Germany, Austria or Poland where both ultras and hooligans emerged along each other and independent from one another. Perhaps you may see the difference.

They’re just as cringed but it’s authentic cringe

MLB and NBA have best fanbases in America

Hockey is mostly bandwagoners

Because in the US soccer is a sport for unathletic oddballs. Normal kids grow up playing football/basketball/baseball. Soccer fans are the kids who were bullied by them

doesn't change the fact that nfl games are full of basedboys

s󠛡󠛡󠛡󠛡o󠛡󠛡󠛡yboys*

Amerimutts are obsessed with British culture anyway. They love the royal family and they always brag about how they are somehow related to the people that arrived in the Mayflower. It's pretty sad how over there being British is related to class and elegance, whereas here the US is seen as cheap and tacky.

At least this 'autist' has a gf and you don't

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And yet we still run the planet.

thats low man

there's always this one boomer
hold on he'll bring up the war next

>we

You work at Home Depot. Fuck off

Can sombody post the picture with the list that says that you have to pay a beer for the capo and the people that play the drums

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COME ON SEATTLE

gonna go doopin mental when the US win the world cup (femoid edition)

>mfw literal 30 year old boomer making $150k a year at a fortune 500 company doing product strategy
>mfw having an actual impact on the world economy
>mfw these anons project their own worthless lives onto me

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sure you are, fren :)

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Granted, I'm only making $78K at 24 so substantially lower than your income, but what the fuck does your income have to do with this thread?

>NBA not being bandwagoners to the new superteam
My mom hates the NFL because she went to a broncos game in the 80s and said it was just a bunch of hicks getting drunkl. She liked the CU game she went to though

America just has a really plastic culture in general. I was fucking baffled the first time I tuned into an NBA game and instead of the crowd doing shit on their own, chants would actually come up on the big teleprompter that they would then perform. There's just no true organic spirit there, it's all monkey see monkey do. It's really quite weird.

And you see the most extreme example of it in their football culture, where the capos disallow you from starting your own chants because 'they know how it's done'.

this may sound extremely retarded but sports is essentially my life and had considered moving to england and living with my uncle that is there solely to see the premier league in person, I could def afford it, just need to figure out citizenship. I can watch my american teams on tv. been to some nfl games and it's even more shit than on tv, believe me. I hate how plastic everything here is.

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I mean, it's kinda retarded to move somewhere just for the sports culture, but I get where you're coming from.

it is, but I have no family or friends and bounced around a lot so I have no connection to anything here. just hoped I don't get knifed (i like a london team)

COME ON
Yea ForumsEATLE
FIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIGHT
AND WIN

if you really have nothing at all chaining you to your current locale then yeah, go for it

Just know that it probably will be even harder to make friends in a different country

unironically based, where does your uncle live?

Karachi

Am actually from Atlanta, can confirm

I honestly think the main problem they have is the lack of a pro/rel national structure

When any local club can be formed at any time and enter a lower division you're not stuck with the plastic MLS shit and if your club manages to make it to the first division, that's a real experience, as opposed to what the MLS is today

>There's just no true organic spirit there
look up RAIDER NATION

or not, the team got sold to superficial city - Las Vegas

>can still be fired
>or outsourced
>has to play hr's rules
>has to work for money
>the real world would hardly notice if the entire company that employed him disappeared
take the chill pill bro

thats why i just watch at home. roll up a couple spliffs and chill for 2 hours. the process of going to the stadium and parking and sitting around a bunch of homos then driving in traffic back. im good.

somewhere outside manchester, idk exactly. he was military for 25+ years and married a chick there. I like long trips so going back and forth to london is nothing for me. I look at so many of those childish fan channels at 30 years old wishing I was in the stadiums bantering people

Since sports fans in the end are channeling their instinctual warband mentality into a "civilized" event, it is best when you can actually behave like barbarians.
Eunuc pacified fans are cancer. I don't like the extreme violence like getting bricked in the head cuz of my team shirt, but I gotta admit it raises your T leves high as fuck when you are allowed to behave like a war party at the stadium and outside.

youtube.com/watch?v=2VzHsOfcZIs

Also FUCK STADIUM POLICE, they are just niggers on uniform.
youtube.com/watch?v=HYnEUiicWTg

this too, the fact that teams are "franchises" and can never relegate and the most outrageous thing: the team can just move cities. It's ridiculous.

Not to mention the practice of wanting to perform bad so you can grab good draft picks, forced equality instead of teams working their way up through the years.

London is a great city provided you're rich desu
Only poor and middle class people get knifed over there.

Although who knows how things will look like after Brexit....

>Eunuc pacified fans are cancer. I don't like the extreme violence like getting bricked in the head cuz of my team shirt, but I gotta admit it raises your T leves high as fuck when you are allowed to behave like a war party at the stadium and outside.

We used to have this in the past. But MUH FAMILY VALUES AND DECENCY crusaders managed to rally the admins to change stadium policies

come to buffalo and wear a jets jersey like i used to do. almost been in 3 fights and gad beer thrown on me because they hate hearing my "j-e-t-s" chants when we score. soft faggots. i'm going back whenever we're good again

>tfw city's basketball team that been here for 40+ years is moving
>tfw city's iconic football team that actually started here and complimented the city is moving
at least we still have baseball, the true american sport

Yeah, NBA is all bandwagon zoomers.

Regions of America have culture. Southern California(as gay as it is) has a pretty distinctive culture between the regional accent(duuuuude), plastic people, pot smoking, etc.
The southwest also has a distinct and awesome culture.
Texas has it’s own version of southwestern culture. The south is also pretty comfy(pic related).
The cultureless voids are the Northeast, and Midwest.

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What basketball team is moving?

>Why do most US “soccer/football” only fans larp and try to copy English football culture?
it's not just you, everyone does it. why? because we're the greatest fucking bastards in the world, that's why

>I hate how plastic everything here is.
you'll hate the prem

>look up RAIDER NATION
yikes

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All european football is plastic as fuck desu
Real soul can only be found in SA

what's the CONMEBOL soul ranking?

why do i feel so daed inside then

I've watched the premiership for 3 years now, going on my 4th. the only league I watch, though I enjoy some EFL championship football when I have down time

Because you masturbate too often

t. never been to the Midwest or Northeast

Question
Why would the Inter Miami CF be my ideal Team in the Major League Soccer?

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different sorts of pizza and burritos =/= culture

fair dinkum. which club would you follow if you moved here?

Because Miami has other pro teams but they don't give a shit about any of them

so

Which MLS team would you recommend me?

Hard to tell.
Pro tip:
All big clubs are plastic now.
That's why there are several you tube channels focused on the lower leagues that are exploding inn popularity here.

Also, AAA a club as small as QPR in England winning the Libertadores and barel losing to Juventus was the most soul thing to ever happen here.
youtube.com/watch?v=Ja9pE0oeJI4

I 'support' spurs because they remind me of my NFL team the ny jets, plus we have a 'officially recognized' supporter bar that filled up to 120ish people when the champions league final happened. not sure who'd I support in the EFL though. and when I say 'league' I forgot to mention I've watched every spurs game for the prem/carabou cup/FA cup games also. only missed a few games these last two seasons, barely got to watch many of the first year I watched because the schedule threw me off

>real salt lake
>New York City FC
>Minnesota United
MLS is so fucking fake. Wayne Rooney has been shit for almost a decade now and he's still one of the best in the American league.

If you play soccer past 8 years old in america, you either are short, or not good at other sports, probably.

If you play in college, you probably did it for a free education. Those colleges that actually have teams.

Pic related have a couple of good season in Lanús, a nice player, but nothing more.
He's been one of the top scorers of the MLS of the last 5 years kek.

>Forgets pic
GODDAMMIT.

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Honestly, I wish they larped sudacas more, i'd actually watch MLS more. But its full of libshits and chis. Mexicans cant chant for shit. Have you seen them at games where they play against other sudaca teams? Jesus.

you cant larp absolute autism

What are you doing?

Kit-spotting at MLS games is fun as hell if you played football manager/know obscure badges. Obviously I don't give a shit about the teenagers who love messi, it's all about the european and latin american norf fc/fc norte boomer crew

>Have you seen them at games where they play against other sudaca teams
about that...

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>There is no significant amount of organic soccer interest in the US.
>It's either pretentious metropolitan euroboos or immigrants

thread should have ended here.

the normal american fans don't watch mls

MLS is based and will unironically be a top 5 league in 20 years

seethe harder

This right here was the answer. Unfortunately, it's never going to happen.

/thread

>Adidas Tango ball
that's soul

That's very true. I have a bunch of friends who are genuine soccer fans but they all like 2 or 3 sports more than soccer

>AmeRIcaNs hAvE nO CuLtURe

There's a 0% chance you aren't underage

that laudrup finish

NBA fans are pretty cringey. It is all about following big stars on insta and just in general sperging about superstars. I swear half these NBA fags dont even watch until the playoffs.

We've long been a plastic country , face it mate

Nice of him to marry his sister.

>that time when Yea Forums invaded their online guestbook and left a bunch of wonderful and very appropriate messages

How many of the yuros ITT posting about culture are Fortnite-obsessed zoomers?

All of them
Saying things like "you have no culture" is a pure sign of a Reddit user

Places like Utah and most of the South are interesting and definitely have their own thing going on.
A lot of it's trashy, but there's still good banter to be had.

Always remember that your culture is difficult to see when it is what you're breathing in every day.

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Read Day of the Locust

American culture is devoid and wont for replication of authenticity, the deeper you get into the suburbs the more soulless it gets

Also, from that Argentinos Juniors team, pic related Batista and Borghi were going to be World Cup Champions in 1986.

Peak dream material for any small club.

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USA has blues and jazz music, comics and cartoons, and so on lots of interesting stuff. why do people say USA has no culture?

Speaking as an immigrant, there is definitely a substantial amount of unique and rich American culture to be found, much of it is simply rendered invisible to outsiders because of what US media exports to the rest of the planet.

And to be honest, I prefer it that way. Authentic Americana is far sweeter when it's something only known to natives and residents.

Cause so much of it is replication

For all that we still have Starbucks and Wal Mart

good luck to you if you make the move m8. spud's season ticket will cost a few a bob and london's a fucking shithole

It's a combination of ignorant foreigners who hate America so they make up things about the culture here and some self-hating Americans who go on sites like Reddit and think you need to hate every aspect of the country and are so adjusted to their countries culture they think there is none
I'd ignore them

The one you posted

because it makes amerifriends sperg and seeth

Forgot the most important detail, I am a retard.
Argentinos was the club that created Maradona from its youth academies.

If he had stayed there up to the mid 80s, they would have won that game against Juventus no doubt.
youtube.com/watch?v=xGwtEDoYq-0

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Suburbs are soulless everywhere.
You need extremes to produce worthwhile culture: usually from an underclass in extremely painful poverty, preferably with tendencies towards religious zealotry, or from an extremely well-educated preferably ritualistic aristocracy.

A middle class is always cultureless. A society mostly made up of the middle class is doomed. W.B Yeats understood this, and even as a mainstream poet here we fell for the materialistic progress meme.

The middle class needs to go.

atleast they arent obese

>And to be honest, I prefer it that way. Authentic Americana is far sweeter when it's something only known to natives and residents.
based. True cultural treasure should be kept hidden from outsiders

premier league tickets are pennies compared to decent NFL tickets. for me and my wife it was nearly $650 dollars for ONE game (idk what that translates into in pounds) and it was shit seats. you guys have it made, I could easily afford a season ticket

why do you firsties care about ''culture'' so much anyway its not like people go around singing negro spirituals 24/7 or somehting

>jazz
>culture

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>Argentinos was the club that created Maradona
i'd started to like them

probably £400. what a fucking swizz

Quickly explain what a firsty is before I call you a monkey.

Don’t listen to this idiot, soccer is one of the most popular youth sports and you don’t need to be a “Euroboo” or an immigrant to realize that it is the superior sport

it's over £500 actually. fucking brexit

first worlders

which teams would you recommend going to see in buenos aeries if you were visiting? juniors? where's it most likely to kick off?

They also have the best motto around here.
"Healthy mind in a healthy body".

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But youth soccer tournaments are huge

atlanta vs chacarita

Soccer has always been an alternative kid sport though. It matters because very little of that soccer participation translates into adult/professional development. All those kids simply stop giving a shit once middle school/high school is over.

Does top-level youth soccer in america have the same insanely autistic parent culture I know hockey, basketball and baseball do, or is there not enough money in the game yet? I've been captivated by this forum ever since someone posted a link in /hoc/

puck54.com/viewforum.php?f=6

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It's still growing in the youths regardless

I suppose under a non-strict interpretation living in drab, pre-planned neighborhoods and treating high school football and pta meetings like theyre the most important things could be considered """culture"""

Hard to say, since I'm not from BA.
But if you want to see something not know by many tourists, go to Rosario and witness the city derby:
Rosario Central vs Newell's Old Boys
youtube.com/watch?v=-UC7Hm2ltCc

Tourists end up liking the city a lot, I've met some when I visited.
thecrazytourist.com/25-best-things-rosario-argentina/

Rosario Central is as SOUL as it gets
youtu.be/QElAaeuVgg4

Go to bed Adorno

youtu.be/Amcc0xaO1c4
I love argentinians hinchadas so much, I wish chileans were half as passionate as you guys

>tfw I have (or had) a friend that voluntarily decided to jump the wagon of being a Newell's fan back in 2013
>"t-totally not being plastic, I swear"
Now he is suffering so much on every clásico.
youtube.com/watch?v=pL5lInptSHo

Nievels has only won one derby in the last decade.

youtube.com/watch?v=GlLrk0AH7II

think you lads have been posting the wrong link

You guys have el gordo de central that's enough reason to dab on newels

i was going to a lot of timbers games before the mls and for two years after, but the gay shit is unbearable it is just one big antifa gay pride festival at every game

Absolute legend, dabbing on plastic shits that support teams from cities different than their own

I'm not a Central hincha, but Nievels penguins were so full of themselves back when Tata Martino made them champs in 2013...
>Gradually, I began to hate them

I live in an area of Santa Fe that is all about Colón vs Unión. The capital city teams. Lots of people attend the games, but they are always murder ball and boring.
Mandatory:
youtube.com/watch?v=ulmlWk4N4ZI

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What is this gay parade shit you guys keep talking about? Did americans somehow manage to turn football into the sjw sport?

I'm an hincha of unión española and we steal songs from unión

pacific northwest is a very left area and they have two of the more popular teams. All our sports leagues are kind of pro-gay on a corporate level because corporate america broke off from the retard evangelicals

>Did americans somehow manage to turn football into the sjw sport?
yes

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agreed

>we steal songs from unión
kek, we know, even Europeans do it.
I don't understand, we just use local songs and change the lyrics a bit. Is not that hard honestly.
Like this:
Original
youtube.com/watch?v=-liOpNcmJ2k

Footballed:
youtube.com/watch?v=dBzdQRPIFGk

Original:
youtube.com/watch?v=KnS2gG-1n2o
Footballed:
youtube.com/watch?v=SU_JWU9sleM

Original:
youtube.com/watch?v=zNn254_erzE
Fooballed:
youtube.com/watch?v=liTRIMHU9Ac

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>tfw you make $17,000 dollars a month just sitting around making phone calls and looking over some spreadsheets

Do you guys sing el negro josé?

youtube.com/watch?v=0LwL7u9HW-o

You honestly need more violence. Fuck that gay shit.
Violence cures the gay.
youtube.com/watch?v=NwWcityiG5I

Who cares if a couple of niggers kill each other once a year? car accidents kill like 200 people per day here, football hooliganism like 1 or 3. a year

>Real (American City) FC
Stop doing this. Not even our shitty local league does this, and every single person here bandwagons a European football team

Based lol

Kids(like me) play soccer till middle or high school then switch to football

It’s called Oikophobia

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Xenophilia

>why don't soccer fans act like fans of completely different sports
gee whiz I dunno, guess they're yuro larpers

>larp and try to copy English football culture
Fair. That's cringe.
>just be normal American fans
That is also cringe. In conclusion, they will always be cringe.

Based

Kys for typing like a redditor

There are white people in Atlanta?

I know im going to get shit on for being butthurt, but why is it the USA that gets shit on for having no culture when other countries like Canada or Australia exist? The USA at least has cowboys, baseball, football, basketball, tailgates, burgers, hotdogs, milkshakes, hollywood, rock and roll, country, blues, rap, ragtime, fourth of july, thanksgiving, patriotism, guns, trucks, an iconic military, dixie, diners, and the constitution just to name a few. What is canadian culture? Being nice? We have that too, its called southern hospitality. Hockey? We have that too. And what about Australia? The outback and kangaroos?

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Canada and Australia aren't relevant and are forgettable.

I agree but military isnt culture

The entire fucking world copies our culture, follows our politics and consumes our media

Portland Timbers came into MLS in 2011 and had the best home environment in the league for a while. Now every game is a political statement and there are 20+ rainbow flags flying in the supporters' section always

Warriors are going from Oakland to SF.

And the baseball team is going to move to Portland or Vancouver

*there are still white people in the USA?

Fixed it for ya.

I went to a Timbers game in early 2000s. It was nothing like this. It's like the earth turned into a different planet in the last 15 years.

Maybe they do have culture. You wouldn't know because you're a retarded American who doesn't know anything outside of his own bubble.