Stacked team for years and doesn't win anything

>stacked team for years and doesn't win anything

vs.

>carries a second-rate portugal team to two trophies

Also, Euros are like 5x more difficult than Copa.

Ronaldo is the GOAT, it's not even a debate anymore after this.

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based

>beats toothpaste
>thinks its an achievement

Goodbye caca alfonso... so.y

Ronaldo has been the GOAT ever since Ronaldinho retired

>Euros are like 5x more difficult than Copa.

Not if you're a top team. You're likely to face shitter all the way to semi-final meanwhile most team in Copa can beat eachother. Reminder Portugal didn't win a single game in the group stage in Euro 2016.

Beating toothpaste is like what half of all world cups are decided by.

2004 Euro final vs Greece at home: 90 minutes. Zero goals and assists. Portugal lose.

2006 World cup semifinal vs France: 90 minutes. Zero goals and assists. Portugal lose.

2008 Euro knockout round vs Germany: 90 minutes. Zero goals and assists. Portugal lose.

2010 World cup knockout round vs Spain: 90 minutes. Zero goals and assists. Portugal lose.

2012 Euro semifinal vs Spain: 120 minutes. Zero goals and assists. Portugal lose.

2014 World cup group stage vs Germany: 90 minutes. Zero goals and assists. Portugal out in the group stage

2016 Euro final vs France: 20 minutes, subbed out due to "injury". Zero goals and assists. Portugal win after 100 minutes against France in their home stadium with an African scoring the winning goal deep into extra time.

2017 Confederations cup semifinal vs Chile: 120 minutes. Zero goals and assists. Portugal lose

2018 World cup knockout round vs Uruguay: 90 minutes. Zero goals and assists. Portugal lose

2019 Uefa Nations League final vs Netherlands: 90 minutes. Zero goals and assists. Portugal win with Bernardo Silva and Guedes scoring the winning sole goal while Ronaldo is a passenger throughout the game.

>Portugal ties and penalties their way to euro
>Ronaldo doesn’t even play the final game

When will the meme that international trophies matter end? The quality of football is much lower than club play. All the cups are memes made to cater to the casual viewer.

Goodbye caca alfonso... so.y

>Literally fires his team to two finals with his hattricks, one of them in a semi
>Ronaldo didn't do anything

You might want to look up what the word "final" means

>Fanboys BTFO

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GOAT 2 games with Portugual in Nations League: 3 goals 0 assists
Pissi 5 games with Argentine in Copa America: 1 Goal (penalty!) 0 assists

The GOAT is 34 years old and pissi 32

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>"GOAT" plays one game and statpads against literal farmers in a mickey mouse cup
>SO GOAT /STRONGMIND/ HALA
>GOAT plays all games in prestigious tournament on shitty pitches and still scores
>f-fraud! o a-alfonso!!!

There need to be a couple of >Twain on the pic desu.
It's the messoy cucks main argument at this point

You might want to reread that post

You might want to look up what the word "choking pecho frio manlet" means

based copy pasta

yeah, so prestigious that span gets invited to participate every year only to decline it every time

This is neat. Can someone do one for Messi?

I meant spain, and portugal gets invited sometimes and never accept. European teams never accepted copa america invites

So prestigious that Qatar was one of the teams that pissi was playing against (and he doesn't score). Also lel at the "shitty pitches".

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notice how the excuse list is longer when he wins the trophy

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To show how he literally did nothing.
O TWAIN

Reminder of the truth.
>the annihilator of andorra
>the lasher of luxembourg
>the flagellator of the faroes
>the slave master of san marino
>the massacre-r of moldova
>couldn't outscore a 36 year old in serie a and had the worst free kick record of the entire league
>w-why can't we play 9men andorra every week in serie a :(

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Kek

when and why would messi play against andorra, san marino etc? The reason why ronaldo has goals against them is because the qualifiers are retarded and put those semi pro teams with germany and france. Its not like ronaldo picks to play against andorra on purpose.

>scores against all kinds of teams

vs

>can't do it against minnows who just defend

It's like Liverpool fucking the top 6 but never pulling through against the Huddersfields, Newcastles and Brightons. No doubt good, but not he best. If you're a flashy player, obviously you're going to dribble through the defence of a more attacking-minded team.

>Reminder of the truth.

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this is true Zidane carried the team AND won trophies not like messi and ronaldo
the true goat is zidane

Reminder of the truth: Messi cant win international trophies without Xavi

>statpads against literal farmers
lmao remind me why Messoy should get the ballon dor in 2018-2019?

Not every player is fortunate enough to be born in the same country as legends like Eder and Guedes

How do Penaldo fanboys defend this ? Serious question.

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They can't, just like how they call Messi shit for "statpadding against shit teams", something Ronnie couldn't do and had to leave the country because he got so assblasted by a literal midget

It’s funny how Ronaldo fanboys think it’s only Messi he has to pass to become the GOAT, while everyone else knows that for Messi it’s only Pele and Maradona. They’re so delusional, Ronaldo isn’t even in the running and never will be.

all this time I'm scratching my head trying to remember ronaldo's last appearance in a WC final

why europeans care so much about messi?

most the over the top hate about him comes from europe,most people from america just do silly banter

Nobody cares much about messi on Yea Forums, these threads are more about triggering the fanboys who have fallen for the whole marketing scheme of him as the goat by cancerlona and uefa than about messi

>still win
GOAT

Do Argentineans still want Messi for your national team?

If Messi is so great why hasn't he won a damn thing of note since Xavi then Iniesta retired?

He's done.

>imagine thinking this
For the Euro you have to go through a qualification tournment, and only 24 on more than 50 teams get qualified. In Euro farmers teams pretty much don't exist anymore as football has become popular and international. Teams like Iceland BTFO England, France struggled with Albania, even the strongest rarely win more than 2 goals difference.
If Ciao America someone seems more balanced is just because the level of the strongest teams has leveled down a lot, otherwise until 2007 Brazil and Argentina won most of the matches 3-0. The while average level of Copa is much lower than Euro. Some teams that get eliminated in the qualifiers would be at least mid-tier in Copa America.

Then please explain how he’s never even won a fucking copa despite having a stacked nt LITERALLY fucking built around him? I don’t give an utter fuck, anyone who keeps choking in important games and blames it on others is not the goat.

>>carries a second-rate portugal team to two trophies
I don't recall ron being on the field during the crucial moments when those trophies were won

>stacked nt
hmmm

>stacked team for years and doesn't win anything
This myth was invented by the argentinians themselves and they repeated it so much they came to believe it. They poisoned their own well.

Explain to me how it’s not stacked.

Di Maria, Aguero and Higuain peaked for relatively short periods of time. To make things worse, none of them, except maybe Di Maria, lived up to the hype in the NT.

The rest of the team, excluding Mascherano who had a couple of good years with the NT and clubs, are literal whos that you onlt get to know because they are playing against your country.

probably the fact that it has about 5 good players and one of them didn't even play last night
unless you count literal whos from watford, udinese and river plate to be "stacked" I'm not entirely sure what you're talking about, Argentina has one of the worst sides it's had in years

lel

Yes

ronaldo statpad competitive goals against countries who are lower ranked than the lowest ranked south american countries

Argentina hasn't been stacked in 15 years.
They have a handful of decent attacking players, but no creative players, no holding players, no defenders, meme shit managers and a corrupt FA. They utilize Messi as a cm and have had Piguain and Ageuro miss sitters for ten years. You can't have a functional team where you play Aguero, Higuain, Dybala, Messi, Di Maria, Icardi at the same time, and that's everyone Argentina has who isn't some midtable la liga shitter.
>Inb4 masche
He was never fast and now he's 70 at a time when everyone is pushing meme pace babbies as a way of beating the less organized defense of national teams. He wasn't bad 10 years ago, when there was more of a focus on intelligent play and slower, creative buildup and he was younger.
Argentina only looks better if you're retarded. They have a handful of good players, but they play very similar positions and get in each other's way. Portugal's supporting cast has actually showed up, the only time Messi has had help was before Di Maria got injured in 2014.

>there aren't any games played before the final

>choking in every important knockout game is an "excuse" for Tsssoooyyyynaldo

You know this just further proves what a joke euro "qualifiers" are, right?

I can't stand club football where all the players are basically mercenaries. internation football is where national pride comes to the fore.

basedinho

This is why Americans shouldnt post about the sport. This isnt monkeyhoop where one player drastically changes the team, it's a game of 11 with forwards, midfielders and defenders.

But that Euro win was pure shit,he didn't carry anything.
They legit got a draw every game and France just choked in the final.I mean TSU didn't even play the final,except for a few minutes.

It literally was one of the worst Euro wins ever,I mean congratulations to Portubros but the tournament was awful.

>tsoynaldo

messhit fanboys trying to deflect the name so desperately

maximum cringe

fucking this. Thanks lads, this age of football was the fucking worst.

Even if it was, the comparison team to Argentina is like having two hof point guards and then a bunch of d league players for the other ten guys. And your gm keeps drafting point guards in the first round every year.

literally, what?

It's a translation for niggers.

Because Iniesta was always the real GOAT and football has moved past just muh golz. Messi is a system baby and Penaldo is a fraud.

>iniesta

Xavi bitch

how do you think retard? reminder Ronaldo got sent off for raping uefalona in a literal supercup. thats how insecure catalanoids are, even getting exposed in a glorified friendly sends them into autistic rage

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lel the irony

Because they ran the midfield. With them Messi could sit higher up and play against 1-2 lines of defense.

Without them he has to drop back and play as a midfielder and a forward, so he has to run through 3-4 lines of defense when he gets the ball, or set up plays through those defensive lines for his teammates.

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Cristiano was lucky
Messi was unlucky

I don't know who started this meme but it's fucking stupid.

The German team is literally the best players of Man City, Bayern Munich, BVB and a bunch of other ridiculous clubs.

The Belgian, French and Dutch teams are equally insane.

Didn't Portugal take every single match, except the one against Wales, to Extra Times in the knockout stage?

based

>most goals in semifinals quarterfinals and round of 16 in any international competion
nice mental gymnastics bro, just jerk off to that pecho frio idol of yours and leave this board for those who understand the game

>nations cup with shit teams

>didnt even play in the finals he "won"

stop smoking so much hash, stoner amsterdam kid

hey, remember when this guy did a panenka in your home stadium to eliminate you?

how many world cups have the ORANJE won recently?

faggot

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>UEFA literally invented a new tournament this year to pad Penaldo's international trophycase

Reminder we didn’t want to win the game against hungary because the 3rd place would give us the better side of the bracket

You do realise a tournament is more than one game yes? You also don't know how the """"nations cup""""" or irony works, do you?

lel ronaldo's 24 team euro was way easier than messi winning the olympics. portugal didn't play a decent team until the final

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>Euros are like 5x more difficult than Copa
>Yurops actually believe this

Shut up wop

Once again in a Ronaldo/Messi thread, Ronaldo cockholsters do nothing but scream like monkeys
>u mad

Portugal is about as stacked as a team as Argentina

Why do people tend to gloss over this?

>France struggled with Albania
Doesn't this tell more about France than Albania?

2016:
>cedric
>fonte
>renato sanches
>adrien silva (LEL)
>joao mario
>n-n-nani??
>old quaresma
>old moutinho
>EDER
>carvalho

One of the worst teams they've had since they lost against Greece

Atleast Ronaldo actually wins trophies with his country. Something your country and Messi cant say

Oh boy, its the Australian wog defending his fellow manlet brother Messoy

>muh supercopa
Tsutards are legitimately mentally ill. A cult.

>stacked team
>de paul
Pick 1

>Alfonso using his proxies to discredit Tsu goals in the quarter finals and semi finals

Kek

based, seething subhumans pissing their Ronaldo boys underwear as i type

>Says the messoy shit slurpers

you literally cannot say with a straight face that argentina never had more talent than ronaldo had access to with our NT, particularly in the santos era, when we won our trophies. we have patchwork all over the place on our squad. we literally played with no strikers in the wc (partly because santos is an idiot, but still)

>stacked team
>Argentina
>second rate
>Portugal
You mixed them up mate, Portugal had no problem qualifying for the final stages of NL without Ronaldo and beat the strongest team they had to during that Euro >us with him on the bench

>t-that euro was just luck, shittiest champion since greece
> they beat us in the final so they are actually a great team

pick one baguette

>score 0 (zero) goals in the World Cup 2010
>win balloon door

>score 0 (zero) goals in Copa America 2011
>win balloon door

>score 0 (zero) goals in Copa America 2019 (reminder that penalties don't count, messoy fans said it themselves about Ronaldo)
>win balloon door

>messoy fans will unironically deflect this while soiling their undies in a vain attempt to not expose just how SEETHING they are

You're not great but you're probably 4th or 5th in Europe currently with or without ondo maybe even above depending on the other powerhouses
This Euro was mostly down to luck just like most tournaments are

>top 5 in eu without ronaldo

do you even watch our games?
we play like shit and are just waiting to be bailed out by ronaldo or for someone else to be left open because of him. almist every other good nt outplays us

Cedric and fonte were good enough, sanches was a meme, adrian and Joao Mario were actually good years ago, quaresma and moutinho are great even in old age, Eder is MEMPEROR, Carvalho is Carvalho

Better team that would rape any of your teams this century

Because Argentina has shit defense and always will. Every single god damn player in that country wants to be a striker.

Nobody has made what ronaldinho did in his prime. What a shitty era fpr football

Audible kek

>Messi scored only 8 goals out of 25 games across 5 Copa Americas (2007, 2011, 2015, 2016, 2019)
Truly the goat lmao

>4th or 5th
without cr7, yes

with cr7 they are 1st/2nd

I get people not liking Messi but it's downright retarded to pretend Ronaldo ''carried'' anyone to anything
he wasn't important in Portugal winning EURO, he wasn't important in Nations League, he had a painfully mediocre season in the dominant Italian club, and he maybe won 2 or 3 important matches for Real, but that was solely because he scored goals someone else made for him

he's a great striker but he can't carry shit and he never did

Reminder of Truth -- Messoy is a system babby who requires Xavi/Iniesta to succeed.

also, stop pretending Portugal is some meme team, they are literally top 5 European team for decades, they always had good players and they were always competitive

just like Messi never won anything for Barcelona, Ronaldo never won anything for Real or Portugal or Juventus

teams win games, you can see in Argentina case that even a great player like Messi can't function properly with a shitty team, and I don't mean names, I mean that their team simply doesn't function, whatever the reason (they don't like each other, they focus too much on Messi, whatever)

when people rate players they rate individual ability, not what they won

Shearer won shit with Newcastle yet he was a top striker in England for years

>he wasn't important in Portugal winning EURO
a player that directly contributed to a team’s 6 goals out of a total of 9 wasnt important in winning a tournament
good to know

>player tap ins some goal someone set up for him
>WOAH
idiot
Ronaldo contributes very little to actual play, that is that was his style before Juventus

now youre shifting the goal posts after being outed as a retard
keep it up

>*wins champion league*
>*wins euro*
B-BUT LOOK AT THE STATISTICS, I DIDN'T PULL THEM OUT OF MY ASS, I SWEAR!!
rentfree

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then why did peru qualified for the last world cup and italy didn't?

fake news

they probably had about the same
the difference is Messi made it to a WC final, Ronaldo did not, statistically Messi is always better than Ronaldo (or at least on every set of statistics comparing the two that I have ever seen again I could be wrong), and Ronaldo's trip to the Euros final (as hilarious as the ending was and his nonexistent contribution to actually winning it) was possibly the most pathetic and most easily attainable "trophy win" possibly ever recorded
need I remind you of the "glorious path" Portugal took to the Euro final which included
>coming 3rd in Group F
>beating Croatia in extra time
>beating Poland on penalties
>beating Wales in the one knockout game Ronaldo showed up to
and then leaving it to a literal who to score a clutch goal in the final

if you count this as "Ronaldo winning trophies with Portugal" and as a talismanic performance then there isn't any arguing with you

I'm not even a fucking messifag
I think both of them have been set up with shitty NTs, the fact that one of them won a trophy is completely by chance

> Ronaldo's trip to the Euros final (as hilarious as the ending was and his nonexistent contribution to actually winning it) was possibly the most pathetic and most easily attainable "trophy win" possibly ever recorded

why

Have sex please

didn't I just explain that

i just did

with your mother
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Always triggers the tssooooyyfags

they came 3rd on purpose

Croatia had a beastly team, they made the WC final 2 years later and got 100% refballed out of it

Poland is no pushover

Messhit couldn't even score against fucking Qatar, yet it's somehow the team's fault when he doesn't perform, but Ronaldo is there when it's needed against defensive teams and suddenly it doesn't count

In what way is Ronaldo considered as talented or complete a player as Messi? You could argue he was more achieved or whatever but watching Messi play has been mesmerizing, even if he loses at the end of the day. Absolutely genial.

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>they came 3rd on purpose
The brackets weren't even set until the last group stage game which means had the other top teams not choked, they could have easily been playing a Germany or Italy in the round of 16 who would have knocked them out
>Croatia had a beastly team, they made the WC final 2 years later and got 100% refballed out of it
Croatia hardly looked convincing in the group stage and won against Spain because Spain choked that game hard
>Poland is no pushover
They were out in the group stage in 2018 - they're shit. If you want to praise Croatia for 2018, then you might as well be consistent and use 2018 to show that Poland are a one man team of shitters
>Messhit couldn't even score against fucking Qatar, yet it's somehow the team's fault when he doesn't perform, but Ronaldo is there when it's needed against defensive teams and suddenly it doesn't count
What does Messi have anything to do with this? Why can't Ronaldo score a goal in a decisive knockout game for Portugal shown here ? It's almost as if tsufags want to use Portugal's success to rub it in Messi's face when Ronaldo hardly was as "clutch" as they say in important games

>argentina
>stacked

so stacked they can afford to bench dybala and aguero

>they came 3rd on purpose

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>argentina
>stacked
how can someone be this delusional

Euro is now unironically better than world cup. You have 10 more extra solid European teams that could play in WC easily over any Asian, North/Central American, African and half of South American teams. WC is dominated by European teams just look how many of them are always in knockouts, many of them are average teams that couldnt qualify for many Euros and World cups in the last decade. Euro is more stacked and competitive than WC.

Ronaldo's positioning is mesmerizing. His reading of the game is unmatched, combined with an incredibly consistent ability to finish. The only one who comes even within a remote shouting distance of him is Cavani but he can't finish for shit.

there's nothing mesmerizing about a manlet exploding in a dribble every now and then, there's plenty of players that can pull that out of their ass. doesn't help the team much.

>muh positioning 203274IQ plays
>lmao he is a manlet you guys lol
jesus

Just like Live triggers you pathetic messoys

>implying messhit isn't a manlet
>implying football isn't human chess and good positioning is the pinnacle of truly mastering the game

tons of players like messhit, admittedly, nobody as good at is as him, but there is no-one like CR7. messhit is the best in his category, CR7 is the GOAT of all of football

Suarez is better at positioning and he finds cheeky way to score goals. His opening years in Barca showed that he could be in the perfect place to either poach goals or make passes. Cavani can finish, maybe not as well as Ronaldo but he can still find the back of the net. No one considers pure goal scoring to be a single indicator of genius. Ronaldo is an amazing poacher, there is no denying that but there's a level of creativity needed to be considered the GOAT.

>there's plenty of players that can pull that out of their ass
Literally the most difficult skills to master in professional football especially against the most competent defenders in the world. Anyone who had a ball at their feet and some non-shitter in front of them knows this. There are very few players who can consistently dribble through a defensive line. But no one gives Messi credit for that alone, that'd be a gimmick. It's because his completeness as an attacking player; the ability to create goal scoring opportunities, great vision, accurate passing at any range, shooting and yes, goal scoring.

>implying that messi height is something negative
>football
>chess
ok this has to be troll
>an old fuck scores more goals in the only tournament that mattered for cr7 this year
>still gets most important player so kids like you wont seeth

fucking this.

He won the Olympics in 2008.
Got to WC finals in 2014.
Got to CA finals in 2015.
Got to CA finals in 2016.

Its not that bad, how many WC finals did Ronaldo play?

He got semis in 2006 when he was a baby and got carried by his team.
Got Ro16 in 2010, lost in groups in 2014 and Ro16 in 2018.

Meanwhile messi got
QF in 2006, QF in 2010, Finals in 2014 and Ro16 in 2018.

In WCS:

Ronaldo:
2006: #4
2010: #11
2014: #18
2018: #14

Messi:
2006: #6
2010: #5
2014: #2
2018: #16

>second-rate Portugal team
Portugal have been one of the most consistent teams in Europe. They've reached multiple world cup knockout rounds, two Euro finals and a world cup semifinal in the last 15 years, no other national team has done that other than Spain and Germany. They also produce world class players and currently have a good team of top class players, I mean Joao Felix was sold for 120 million to Atletico just the other day ffs.

I will never understand why Ronaldo fags insist on making up fake news tier shit when anyone can google this shit

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those guys fucking get it

The Scolari and Santos years were good. All the shit in between... LOL

They had a rock solid defence, but holy shit their offence... Until this year Ronaldo was playing with Nani and the likes of Hugo Almeida.