Why can't I show up in big matches

Yes he does that, have you seen the interview they made to Biglia? He said the players that play the matches are the ones Messi liked, they didn't want to play like Sampaoli wanted and Chiki Mafia make them call those players always

Why isn't Lo Celso playing instead of CubeHead Acuña?

He is playing a semifinal today mate. He is invisible as always.
Now let me remind you how the GOAT carried Portugal to the only 3 finals in it’s history
>opens the score in 2004; 2-1
>opens the score in 2016; 2-0 (assisted the 2nd as well)
>hat trick in 2019; 3-1
Where is Messoy?

How many world cups has Portugal won?

Same amount as Messi

He'll never be great as Cristiano Ronaldo is, that'll haunt him till the rest of his life, until death, or very possible suicide.

See this face? See this pic. Look at it closely. That's the alpha GOAT confidence.

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Always like Serbia desu
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I still can't believe Chile make him cry.

He's played very well tonight. He'd have a world cup if Higuain could finish a sitter

>why doesn't he have a competent national team like Ronaldo

Just the mere presence of Ronaldo elevates his team.

His team won the EU cup final without him, Argenina without Messi wouldn't have qualified for the WC in 2018

I cant believe he lost 2 (two) finals to Chilel

Juventus was worse than last year

Argentina with Messi hasnt won anything ever
Cope harder

2004 Euro final vs Greece at home: 90 minutes. Zero goals and assists. Portugal lose.

2006 World cup semifinal vs France: 90 minutes. Zero goals and assists. Portugal lose.

2008 Euro knockout round vs Germany: 90 minutes. Zero goals and assists. Portugal lose.

2010 World cup knockout round vs Spain: 90 minutes. Zero goals and assists. Portugal lose.

2012 Euro semifinal vs Spain: 120 minutes. Zero goals and assists. Portugal lose.

2014 World cup group stage vs Germany: 90 minutes. Zero goals and assists. Portugal out in the group stage

2016 Euro final vs France: 20 minutes, subbed out due to "injury". Zero goals and assists. Portugal win after 100 minutes against France in their home stadium with an African scoring the winning goal deep into extra time.

2017 Confederations cup semifinal vs Chile: 120 minutes. Zero goals and assists. Portugal lose

2018 World cup knockout round vs Uruguay: 90 minutes. Zero goals and assists. Portugal lose

2019 Uefa Nations League final vs Netherlands: 90 minutes. Zero goals and assists. Portugal win with Bernardo Silva and Guedes scoring the winning sole goal while Ronaldo is a passenger throughout the game.

Without Ronaldo's contribution they would not have reached the final in the first place, he has also dragged Portugal into the WC as well with that memorable performance against Sweden.

Don't make me call Twain on you, Alfonso.

You just got BTFO by Also, he was extremely mediocre in the group stages with Portugal

...

You're so stupid you can't tell a cherry picked post to save your life.

O ALFONSO SEETHING AT 4:20AM
HAHAHAHAHHAHAAHAH

Did any of you actually watch the game?

>muh cherrypick
You're retarded for not understanding nuance, both are great players but are ultimately dependent on the team they play for. Ronaldo has a far better team with Portugal than Messi has with Argentina

Messi for Argentina is better than Cristiano for Portugal and it's not even close

Never once have I attacked Messi, you sound insecure.

Unironically not /strongmind/

Intellectual soccer fans discuss tactics and formations, retarded casuals discuss low intellegience topics like Messi vs Ronald or "da refs are crooked"

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and missed the opening penalty

>doesn't understand the point of my post
>low IQ coping

>tfw now he won't lose three

Messi didn't play in the copa America besides taking set pieces don't know how he did better than anyone.

>I should have played for Spain with Iniesta and Javi
>I wish I was at home playing fifa in my VR set.

IT ALL RETURNS TO NOTHING....

youtu.be/oIscL-Bjsq4

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>tfw not playing with 10 other world class players against galician potato farmers

I am a Tsu fanboy and this is not true, Messi played well today but the Argenchinos were utter shit, specially Aguero
This is false, they are about the same, but Cristiano fits a bit better with his team

>ignores 2 goals and assist against hungary to keep portugal in the tournament
keep seething faggot

What is it with third worlders and not understanding what a "TEAM" sport is?
Why is it always Messi's fault?

Daily reminder that Ronaldo has fucked Antonella on several occasions.

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Can Aguero really be considered world class if he never shows up in international and cl games?

I'm a tsuu supporter, but there are a few things here that make's messi job way harder. First, no attacking midfielders in his team. He has to go down to midfield instead of playing in the wing, which limits his scoring potential. Also, Pezzela and Foyth are terrible players. An absolute disaster of a defense.

>THE ABSOLUTE STATE OF ALFONSO

So... When he fails to score or assist we have a 90% chance of crashing out? It seems to me we really need Cristiano then. Good thing he shows up a lot and has won us 2 international titles :)

He did fine, had to drop to midfield all the time

>Foyth bad
lmao
Pezella is tho

POST TWITTER SALT NOW

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You replied to my comment in which I implied that Ronaldo has a competent national team. Your comment implied that Ronaldo drags a (mediocre) team up and indirectly implies that Messi doesn't. Which is wrong because Portugal without Ronaldo is a far better team than Argentina is without Messi.

>why can't Penaldo win the big one like Francesco Totti?

tell me.

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>being schooled by fucking gabriel jejum

Nobody who played today should ever wear your NT shirt again if you want to win another game in your life

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He's shit. No idea how he plays for clubs but for the NT he can't defend to save his ass.

TSU fag here and I have to admit he didn’t play that today, but still he definitely is a system baby because he was still far from being the player he is at Barça.

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But your statpadder literally disappeared in every - not even exaggerating - EVERY important knockout game that Portugal has played whether a final or a knockout game that costed Portugal the tournament.

You're better than this Orban

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International trophies:

Ronaldo: 2
Messi: 0

LOL

Awful bait, you're better than this.

S E E T H I N G

>canada
LOL

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Ouch.

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Based

Cant choke a final if you dont make it

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Y el VAR?

Sorry Abdul, but CR7 is objectively better than Messi and you cant handle it

Well Materazzi has a World Cup

Materazzi > Ronaldo

Based.

>never
>his
>fault

But it's not bait all of these games were decisive tournament games and Penaldo choked in every. single. one. of. them.

Not a single goal, not even a single measly assist in these games and when Portugal make it to a final, he is completely irrelevant in that final when it comes to Portugal's victory
>b-b-b-b-but i-if it wasnt for Penaldo scoring hattricks against Hungary and Switzerland th-they wouldnt be there!
The argument is that Penaldo is more clutch than Messi in big games, not whether they carried their sides to a final.

please translate. I remember the salt threads from WC and they were topkek

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>goat

Again I know you're better than this, maybe you could stop contradicting yourself for a start.

>everyone else in his team is shit! Not his fault!

>League of friendlies
>Major trophy
Lol cristina fans are something else

Phallic fixation detected

>objectively
edition.cnn.com/2019/03/27/football/lionel-messi-worlds-best-player-spt-intl/index.html

RETIRE BITCH!

Meme player.

>tf
>messoy fan
L O L cope

You have yet to show a single compelling argument btw. Until Penaldo scores 1 relevant goal in a game where Portugal were knocked out of the tournament or in a final then he will be more "clutch" than Messi

Until then, continue with your mental gymnastics.

"i'm very mad and very obviously gay"

Career choker. No clutch gene.

Yeah it's 100% his fault

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saved kek

Tsu if s pivot and a winger so the ball only passes trough him in a fast attack, counter atack or close to the box. That's out stategy. Messi is a midfielder, every ball goes through him

Cope with what you manlet? There's no rivalry Messi will always be better

>meme

>best in Roma history

>started the counterattack where Italy sealed it against Germany

>blew Aussies the fuck out

>best midfielder of his period

nope.

I'm not arguing with you, why would I argue with a troll?

HAHAHAHA CNN HAHAHAHAHAHA

Seeth harder faggot. Your 'hero' has been exposed time and time again as a system baby who cant make it happen outside of Barcelona.

>tf

>Implying that the Germans with their /strongmind/ mentality wouldn't have bounced back and absolutely HEEM'D Messoy and Co

>tf

>2 Fucking penalties the referee didn't call and your mom's pussy that gave birth to you, well fucked by 80 niggers with 20000 meter dicks with AIDS and your bitch of a dead aunt bured in a cask with a hole where I will stick my reproductive member slowly piercing everything.
something like that

when has CNN ever been right about anything lmfao

this just further proves Tsu is the goat

2 fucking penalties the ref didnt give us the fucking cunt of your mother that birthed you thatwas fucked by 80 niggers with 2000 meter dicks with aids plus your dead aunt locked in a funeral box with a hole where ill put my dick in to slowly fuck her all

Is it time for divorce? I feel messi must be very absent in their relationship. Probably doesn't show up for his kids' school events etc

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buried*
casket*
sorry user I'm very tired

Because you can't come up with an argument. You're a paki who thinks Penaldo is more clutch despite history saying otherwise. Again, I cannot help you with your own delusions. I draw my conclusions from facts, you draw yours from emotional desperation which stems from wanting to vicariously live through a tax-evading statpadder.

I dont think Messi is "clutch" either. I'm just not retarded enough to fall for the tssoooyfags shitposting.

>muh cnn is wrong on everything even verifiable facts
Listen to the statistics brainlet, objectively there is no discussion. Look at the statistics from other sources if you can't get over that source.

The Zico of Argentina.

[spoiler] PS: I love Messi and feel bad for him [/spoiler]

You're supposed to make me angry, not get angry yourself.

he makes a point about pens

Here are some statistics for you

International Trophies:

Ronaldo: 2
Messi: 0

LOL

>feel bad for him
Why? He's the undisputed GOAT

I'm not angry for having to explain the facts to you, paki. Again, I see no arguments from you so you will be ignored henceforth.

Messi is an over-rated system baby. If he was TRULY the goat he would have showed up when it matters(he doesnt)

Not in the champions league, and absolutely not for the national team.

>best in Roma history
Lol not really
Falcao was better as was Ancelotti, Conti, Cerezo, arguably Pruzzo etc... they led Roma to their only CL Final
Totti is just the player who stayed the longest

>>started the counterattack where Italy sealed it against Germany
Who cares? Everybody remembers Pirlo's assist.

>blew Aussies the fuck out
You mean with a lame-ass fake pen?

>best midfielder of his period
Not even top 10

No argument I see, I'll take the win

Just don't get riled up the next time nobody falls for your bait.

International trophies:
Brian Laudrup: 2
messi: 0

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Materazzi is indeed Based.

>if i keep saying it it will be truth
SYSTEM BABBY
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>best midfielder of his period
Yeah we all saw him dominate the midfield he never played in

Okay, now you're talking.

Pirlo >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Ronaldo.

Messoy's vision transcends actual football and enters the realm of the future

It is though

OK, here's some other stats

International goals:

Ronaldo: 88
Messi:68

it's not though

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yes cause Argentina get to play in the Euros

so fair

>Sepp Blatter (former FIFA President): "In the delivery of medals and prizes of the 2014 World Cup final, Messi was talking to himself. He said to himself over and over again:" The best, but not the champion."

Most of this Portugal team would walk into Argies first XI. You clearly don't understand football to think otherwise.

>international
What happened to being objective? You're aware that messi only has a few goals less than Ronaldo with over a 100 less games? Not to mention assists and pre-assists/key passes. Stick to hockey and watching your wife getting railed

As I said, Materazzi has a World Cup. Therefore, Ronaldo is worse.

>w-why can't we play andorra every week

>>Not in the champions league
Definitely demented aren't you?

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Are you seriously even trying to implying that they aren't vastly more stacked? Who would remain from the 1st team from Argentinian? Messi and possibly Aguero, noone else

^

It literally is. Argentina are AWFUL. They don't have a single world-class midfielder or defender.

>Messi fags will defend this

Those were international goals you fucking idiot. Messi has played only 24 less games than Ronaldo for their national teams.

Argentina has been in 4 copa america's in the last 8 years you water head.

Messi dick riders pathetic

we had 8 threads past 500 posts for this game shitposting about it, ofc we watched it

Why you heff to be retarded? We were talking about being objective, if you want to be as objective as you can you look at their careers. Messi only has a few less goals with roughly a 100 less games. Keep coping with your non argument
>muh national teams
LOL

Newfag detected
Zico performed like a god in 1982 unlike Messi and he would have won it if 1978 if it wasn't rigged.

1982 the team was handicapped by trying to play the best football possible.
1986 he was old and past his prime by this point.

Zico would be the best player ever if R9 didn't exist, but that's not the case so he's second best.
Zico was basically Pele with God-tier Free Kicks and even better passing/playmaking skills.

He is unironically the LeBron of soccer

He's a cuck, she will continue to suck his money.

How many times have you posted in this thread?

At this rate, Tsuu might progress longer at the next WC than Messi

LOL Pirlo is overrated shit, but at least better than Totti lmao.

>1982 the team was handicapped
Oh so like the Argentinian team for the last 2 decades? And no, a player pre 90 era is never going to be the best player. The skill level has drastically changed, keep up boomer

Messi is the best at scoring against Spanish farmers, I'll give you that.

Fuck he sucks, he will never win another major trophy and it owns.

Name a better deep lying playmaker ever than Pirlo?

The Wolves Moors (Neves, Patricio, Moutinho)
Cancelo, Semedo, Guerreiro, Fonte
Bernardo Silva, Guedes and Felix
All of these players are in big clubs or will be playing in big clubs soon. Meanwhile, Arshittina unironically have literally who's like Acuna, De Paul, Pezzella and fucking Spurs benchwarmer Foyth starting

Tá fazendo o que na Albania flavelado?

>- EVERY important knockout game
I'm pretty sure he steps up in semi finals tbf

>against Spanish farmers

>Most goals scored against Real Madrid than anyone else
>Most goals scored against Chelsea, Man Utd, Arsenal, Man City, Liverpool than Penaldo who spent 6 years in the EPL

skill hasn't changed only the physical aspect. I'd even argue that players had more freedom to showcase that skill back then.

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You fucking dumb ignorant cunt. kill yourself.

Xavi
Riquelme

>messi shows up against Chelsea

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Paul "el colorado" Scholes.

Fuck me. Stay out of football threads.

>pass the ball 2 meters to iniesta
That's not a playmaker

The difference between them is Messi is always exposed when he plays with his national team, while Ronaldo isn't exposed yet.

>Not posting detailed game stats
You can learn from Twain

Cope

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>not exposed

>lose TO GREECE, *in Portugal*

>in the finals

fucking Greece

name ONE Greek superstar player.

>started the counterattack where Italy sealed it against Germany
that was canavarro

How far away does he need to pass?

>I know I'll just quote a part of the sentence
Fuck you zoomer piece of shit.
Doesn't change the fact that Zico performed phenomenally well unlike Messhit.
Just like many players nowadays do for their country...you know non-fraud players like Bale, Suarez, Cavani, Muller, Di Maria heck even Higuain(despite his failures) managed to score a goal or two in the fucking WC KO rounds etc.

Look at that stud Vardy

>while Ronaldo isn't exposed yet.
I'm getting too old to be posting on this zoomer site

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Kill yourself, you shitskin spastic.

>while Ronaldo isn't exposed yet.
You have to be 18 to post here

Let's start with 5 and then work up from there.

I'm saying that the game has significantly increased in speed. All players have gotten better (skill ceiling has increased) especially the defenders. Go look back at old games pre 90's and pay attention to the defenders. It's almost laughable

Let's start with this
youtube.com/watch?v=uSRBmsQaBTI

Alexander the Great

I would argue the opposite.
Back then players were able to play a lot dirtier and get away with it. Players weren't as protected back then. Just look at any given Pele or Maradona video and look at the nasty tackles the players constantly try to commit against them.

In that famous Brazil vs Italy game Zico got his shirt torn by Gentile.

And this is the guy who went to Serie A in his 30s to play for Udinese and he was competing on goals with fucking Platini who was playing for Juventus and he only had one less goals with 3 less matches(that he missed through injuries) at the end of the season. Madness.

I'm too old to be a zoomer but you are a filthy boomer and a retarded one at that.
>Zico best player
LOL

>video unavailable

Seething paki.

Messi fans are pathetic hahahaha

Lá vem o flamenguista falando merda

>mfw pecho frio

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Why haven't you killed yourself yet?

>All players have gotten better (skill ceiling has increased)
No
>especially the defenders
FUCK NO
Defenders are absolute rubbish nowadays
Nobody comes close to Madlini, Nesta, Costacurta, Baresi, Cafu, Carlos etc.

Penaldo fans and their gay lust man....

Touched a nerve it seems.

>WHY CAN'T I PLAY AGAINST QATAR AND VENEZUELA IN EVERY MATCH?
>X-XAVI? I-INIESTA? BAIL ME OUT ONCE AGAIN PLEASE!

Just kill yourself.

>15 year old pic
This is getting embarrasing

>carlos
>good defender
Fucking neck yourself, you clueless cunt.

>No
Don't be retarded, a lot larger player pool means more competitive. Better training, better physical understanding, better tactical understanding etc
A top team from the 80's would get absolutely BTFO by any top team now, you are seriously deluding yourself if you believe otherwise boomer
>Defenders are absolute rubbish nowadays
Nobody comes close to Madlini, Nesta, Costacurta, Baresi, Cafu, Carlos etc.
I said pre 90's you idiot, those are good defenders specifically Maldini and Nesta but you have dozens of equivalent defenders now

>I wasn't alive in 2004 so it doesn't count
It's okay you can go back to playing fortnite now

I just hope for Eriksen he gets to Real and not somehow gets duped into signing for Barca and having to carry messi every game and get no credit.

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I never said he was the best, I said he was the 2nd best.

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>Missifags
Hahahahhahahahhahaha

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>people who point out i'm a muslim shitskin are missifags
Demented third world wog, off yourself.

Roberto Carlos was a good defender. The fact that he was used to attack because he was so good at going forward is not his fault.

modern defenders are nothing close to 90s defenders. Ramos and Thiago Silva are considered to be two of the best in the modern era

again, reminder that the last great player we had was Riquelme

Is Twain gonna pull another all nighter being obsessed over the goat?

>2nd best
>would have been the best if his team wasn't bad
>his team was the best team at that time
LOL

Roberto Carlos as not a good defender at all. His defensive play was diabolical.

Dani Alves >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> roberto carlos

Ita really pathetic to defend someone who got exposed (again) today by posting a pic of a loss that happened 15 years ago.

>who is van Dijk and Kompany

When will there be a twain vs chicano containment thread? is this it?

Look at Denmark vs Brazil 1998. The idiot tries to scissor kick a ball out of the penalty area but misses the ball and lays it right in front of Brian Laudrup. 60 iq play.

>Ramos and Thiago Silva are considered to be two of the best in the modern era
Of the best, not the best.

>a lot larger player pool means more competitive
Football is dominated by brainless speedy niggers now.

>A top team from the 80's would get absolutely BTFO by any top team now
Yeah no. Late 80s Milan would demolish these shitty meme teams of today.
82 Brazil would would outscore most teams today though their defense was on the weak side.

>I said pre 90's you idiot
Maldini, Baresi and Costacurta are 80s defenders you dolt.
In fact Baresi goes back to the 70s.

Go read what I was responding to you pathetic fanboy
>p-p-penaldo has never been exposed
For those of us who were alive in 2004 we saw a trash team like Greece expose him hard

How can oldfags be the best when they didn't even have epo.

>trash team like Greece
well that wasn't very nice (although it's true, Greece meme'd their way to that title). Turkey needs to get the hell off of rightful Greek clay.

Kompany is a solid defender but not legendary or anything.
Van Dijk is overhyped but it's way too soon to tell.

He was like 18 you fucking mong

Ramos is barely a defender

Look at the state of this shitskin hipster who thinks he's a football expert from watching a few YT clips

>Maldini, Baresi and Costacurta are 80s defenders you dolt.
Baresi played well into the 90s. Maldini and Costacurta into the 00s, you stupid wog.

>d-d-oesn't count bro
Pathetic

>unexperienced baby ronaldo in 2004
>comes back to win it when least expected
>full redemption arc
and this is somehow a bad thing

>Ramos
He's not even a good defender.
I rate him more for his influence/leadership qualities and his decisive goals than his actual defensive skill.

kek

Cringe.

>is a boomer and a messifag
Your 2 dads must be so dissapointed

>why can't I show up in big matches
But he did, a couple of good players can't carry a 11 man team directed by a total brainlet. Come to Chile NT Lio; we'll be literally unstoppable and would have good company on the pitch.

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He was walking with his head down when his team mates needed his support

So why didn't they SKOR SAM FACKIN GAWLS?

>Football is dominated by brainless speedy niggers now.
Best players are still white
>Yeah no. Late 80s Milan would demolish these shitty meme teams of today.
82 Brazil would would outscore most teams today though their defense was on the weak side.
LOL, cmon man you can't be serious. They were really good in their time but they only appeared THAT good because the competition wasn't near what it is now.
>Maldini
Best years were after 90's, noone cares about those other pesants
>Kompany is a solid defender but not legendary or anything.
Van Dijk is overhyped but it's way too soon to tell.
I'm talking about skill not what they did vs their relative competition. You're still coming from the deluded position that the skill now vs then is comperable, it isn't. Stop deluding yourself, how embarrassing for you

I thought Messi
>could read the game better than any player in the history of football
>could decide the game all by himself
>could analyze defenders weakness and figures it out in the first 5 minutes
>was impossible in every aspect of football
>was a player from another planet
>was GOAT literally
was it all a lie?

oh shit? he had his head down and his team mates needed him to bail them out? are they fuckng toddlers, you slit eyed turd?

>there are people itt that get legitimately angry and argue on behalf of multi-millionaires on an anonymous thangka painting forum

>pls messi carry us borderline butchers to the finals once again

Soccer is quite literally the only sport these 3rd world countries have. Of course they get near religious levels of idealization to these fags

>2004
>Got to the Finals
>Hailed as one of the premier players of the tourney despite his false start
>This is a bad thing
Need I remind you, you swine. that that Greek team trounced tournament favorites Portugal, had an insane amount of clean sheets in qualifying and had Dellas, one of the most underrated players of the 2000s. That team was the epitome of home a good system beats a great player. They played like the George Graham Arsenal squadron of the 90s and you weren't breaking them down. When they got out of the group stages, I pegged them to reach the Final at the very least. I think the only team that could have beaten them were England, because they were so used to that style of play that it'd be a mirror match of counter-attacking football.

Ronaldo didn't get exposed. Stop shitting on the 2004 Greek side and actually watch the tournament, you swine. They trounced France and the Czech Republic (Tournaments Favorites) en route to muscling in on the Portuguese. Show some fucking respect.

>that pic with the nigger
always makes me kek

We all know Messi decides who goes to the national team, so it's his fault.

>comes back to win it
Thanks to Eder's parents
>d-d-on't you dare criticize my man crush
Being gay in a country of 3 million must be tough

Lol. Greece were a dirty cunt team. They deserved to be shit on.

It always boils down to Twain vs the Chicano for the most autistic poster in these threads

with that get it must be true

No, I said he would be the best if R9 didn't exist.
Regardless if he won the WC or not he's the second best.
>God-tier playmaking skills
>best free-kicks ever
>insane scoring record that is close to some of the best strikers ever despite him being a midfielder
>one of the best headers of the balls ever despite not being that tall
>destroyed the champions of Europe Liverpool and made them look like a joke
>was competing with a younger prime Platini on goals when he was in his 30s while playing for fucking Udinese
He was a monster. A more modern better version of Pele.

Rarely Messi did some defensive work in their half you poo in loo

In the era of the worst Brazil sides ever
In a competition where there haven't been any World Cup winners participating since 2002.
With a Copa America every other year to give them a chance.
With the supposed GOAT in the team.
A historical national team with a winning culture that has won multiple trophies in the past.
Still can't get it done.
Compare and contrast to Portugal, who before Ronaldo had never reached an international final and are STILL considered major underdogs in any international competition they enter.
Three international finals, two victories.
At this point, even if Messi did win a measly Copa America, he would be doing nothing but what's expected of him.
Only CR7 went beyond what's deemed possible or likely, and that's why he's a couple of levels above Messi.

Wasted quads

>literally every post critical of this are from well-known Twain proxy countries

>of home a good system beats a great player
It's funny how you don't even see the irony of what you're saying; and Greece were an awful team. Legitimately.

WITNESSED

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>Thanks to Eder's parents
Like that would be used against Messi if Higuain gifted him a Copa America.
Sure.

guys I can't keep up with it anymore, how many proxies does twain have and how many proxies does alfonso have? What if alfonso is simply twain on a proxy? what if they are all one person?

>went beyond what's deemed possible or likely
Rofl by winning a friendlies trophy? Bwahaha

based and TSUpilled

What is Eder doing these days anyway? Penaldo should be paying him royalties everyday for keeping this "rivalry" alive

>Penaldo gets free statpads against Andorra, Faroe Islands and San Marino
>the elite Messi destroys the South American giants
O TWAIN

>Baresi played well into the 90s
His best period was in the 80s you disgusting paki.

>Maldini and Costacurta into the 00s
And they also played in the 80s. They were starting almost every match and were playing top-flight football.

are you going to argue that the Copa America is harder to win than the Euro?
seriously?

Winning a WC is entirely dependent on the national team you have or are stuck with. He was obviously good but he's no where near the top 10 of best players ever. R9 probably is in the top 10, >90-95% of the top 10 players will be from the last 20-25 years.

>still considered major underdogs

This is literally a knock on Ronaldo kek

>Portugal finish 3rd in their group
>Get gifted passage cause of a dumb new rule
>Easy path to the finals against the mighty Wales and Poland
>A man born in Guinea-Bissau wins them the trophy in ET while Penaldo pretends to be a player-coach

It's irrelevant which is harder to win ultimately, I'd say the Euro is obviously harder to win, Portugal is a good team while Argentina clearly isn't

>Greece were an awful team
>Literally
No they fucking weren't. I was 16 years old at the time and even I knew that Rehhagel was going to pull some upsets with his brand of ball; as did HALF my school. By your standards, the tournament favorites of 2004, the Czech Republic, were horrid because they only had Nedved (Replacement Zidane to many Juventus fans) and they played the best football of the tournament through Baros and Smicer, who were both underperformers throughout their careers. At the very least, by the time they got out of the group stages, I had them losing on the odd goal to the Czech Republic, so I wasn't surprised.

>no look, I can suck the dick of the sports start that I like better
pathetic

Ive never implied anything about any player besides missi.
Someone is living rent free i see.

>They were really good in their time but they only appeared THAT good because the competition wasn't near what it is now.
You have to be joking right?
In case you haven't noticed, International Football is in the gutter now and it's been shit for a long time now.
WC was far more competitive back then.

And just look at that shit in 1982, they had a second group stage and straight to the Semi-finals. There weren't many teams so you were not even guaranteed to make it to the KO rounds like nowadays.

>Best years were after 90's
So him winning 89 and 90 CL's doesn't count

>noone cares about those other pesants
>Baresi, Costacurta
>peasants
Ok, I stopped reading right there.

>i-it doesn't count if another player scores
I'm sure you'd hold that against Messi if he didn't score in a final.
Congratulations, you just invented a game that doesn't exist: a brand of football where a player doesn't win a competition if he doesn't score a goal in the final.
Unfortunately, it's not football as it's currently played worldwide.
I know it hurts, but you just need to accept CR7's superiority here.
Just accept it and move on, there are other reasons to live.

Messi vs Higuain KO goals for Argentina

>2006 World Cup : Messi (0) - Higuain (DNP)
>2007 Copa America : Messi (2) - Higuain (DNP)
>2010 World Cup : Messi (0) - Higuain (1)
>2011 Copa America : Messi (0) - Higuain (1)
>2014 World Cup : Messi (0) - Higuain (1)
>2015 Copa America : Messi (0) - Higuain (1)
>2016 Copa America : Messi (2) - Higuain (4)
>2018 World Cup : Messi (0) - Higuain (DNP)
>2019 Copa America : Messi (0) - Higuain (DNP)

Messi's 4 knockout goals over his entire career were against:
Peru (1), Mexico (1), Venezuela (1) and USA (1)

I still remember that freekick, it was a great freekick vs >us but Guzan is pretty shit

It's not even that another player scored. Ronaldo quite literally missed 90% of the euro final and they still won kek

It must be great to live in an imaginary world created entirely inside your head where you can be comfy with the idea that Portugal didn't in fact win that Euro.
Unfortunately, reality and history will always say otherwise.

You're trying to argue that a team whose sole tactic was bus parking and edging out results were actually good in order to defend the legacy of Penaldo. Portugal were playing at home and they had prime Figo,Deco, Costinha, Carvalho...and they lost. If they won you Penaldo fanboys would never let people forget about it

You proved you know nothing about football when you referred to Baresi and Costacurta as peasants so I'm not going to entertain you anymore.

>You have to be joking right?
In case you haven't noticed, International Football is in the gutter now and it's been shit for a long time now.
Football is less "fun" to look at because the teams are more competitive than ever. It being less fun to watch doesn't mean that the skill is lower, which actually seems like the position you are arguing for. Seriously stop, it's embarrassing
>So him winning 89 and 90 CL's doesn't count
Learn to comprehend an argument, we aren't talking about his team's accomplishments, we were talking about individual players skill
>Ok, I stopped reading right there.
Turn off the boomer tapes, I watched all those old games numerous times on re-run on Eurosport 15-20 years ago and eventhough they were entertaining the reality is that the skill is not comperable

>muh missi
>muh penaldo

>Team sport in a national competition that hosts the best of the best of the sport
>DURR WHY HE NO CARRY TEAM??????
Room temperate IQ in here, but it's to be expected with all the third worlders.

That's fine boomer, noone ultimately cares about your 40 years ago playing against bakers and butchers peasants. They would get destroyed by today's players

>I'm not a third worlder I'm just a chicano that bandwaggons barcelona/messi while pretending to be an aryan

lmfao
the """"GOAT"""", yes?

>accept CR7's superiority
I'll accept Portugal being a far better team and not needing Penaldo to win tournaments. They proved they could do it by themselves by beating France.

Ronaldo's legacy can be summed up in the Atletico Madrid game where they won 4-1, all his teammates carried him to that win but in the end what everyone remembers is him scoring a meaningless penalty and taking off his shirt. I know all his fanboys have that image burned deeply in their heads. He's that guy who does nothing in the group project but takes all the credit. He's a good poacher, I'll give him that, just a good looking taller Inzaghi, nowhere near a "GOAT"

I know it hurts, my friend.
It hurts so bad that you need to find excuses or ways to justify that it didn't in fact happen.
Like a rape victim who buries the horrible memory deep in the recesses of his/her mind.
You react to this like a rape victim.
I'm just here to say it's ok, you can let it out.
You'll feel better if you just accept it and start the healing process.
It's ok, user.
It's ok.

Materazzi isn't considered the GOAT while Messi is

Guys who's team made it farther in a non Mickey mouse cup in which the whole world competes? Asking for a friend

based

It's ok, my friend.
I know it hurts.
Let it all out.

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>guys who's team made it further into a tournament in which they didn't win
both of them are frauds and the idiots defending either of them itt are pathetic

Mbappe >>>>> Messi >>>>> Roidnaldo

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>that kek in the end to make it look like he is not seething

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>portugal better than argentina
lmao, argentina are miles better individually yet they find ways to choke away every time

Remember when Bale came off the bench in the CL and immediately outclassed Ronaldo's entire performance in the match? Top kek

Do you not understand his point?

based donatello

I will never forgive Messi for making you cry like this.
Its ok user, its ok to cry.

Can you link me the YouTube video of Ronaldo's highlight plays in the euro final please? I have a PowerPoint tomorrow

>No retort
Lol wew typical fanboyism
>Better individually
Prove it. Go through the starting 11 of both teams and show how they're better.

Fairytale.

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>chicano and his nemesis posting on cooldown
Is it autism?

Bad form lad

Only people crying are the Penaldo fanboys lol
>d-d-oesn't count

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lmao
ikr
tsu living rent free in this dude's head.
why does he even care, he should be watching baseball.

Checked

>Prove it. Go through the starting 11 of both teams and show how they're better.
out of all your autistic spamming, this is the one that actually shows you know nothing about the game

>you will never be as angry as the posters itt
What's the point of having the same argument every day?

Woah Ronaldo plays for Juventus now? Isnt that the team he stopped from winning the CL like 2 years in a row? He went and joined them? Wow they must've won the CL last year then. What happened?

One last chance to prove your autistic assertion. Go ahead and prove how Paredes and De Paul are better individually than Portugal's midfield.

I don't care. People, well boomers mainly, need to stop deluding themselves into thinking the skill in comperable. Nostalgia fappers need to go watch a few full length matches from the 70's and 80's

>You're trying to argue that a team whose sole tactic was bus parking and edging out results were actually good
By your logic, George Graham's Arsenal, Don Revie's Leeds United, Capello's AC Milan and the Inter Milan teams of the 1960s weren't good.

Messi lives rent free in your head that's why your in this thread lmao

Once again, the highlight plays from Ronaldo's euro final please. Or even a video of Ronaldo in a world cup final. You've got that right? And no I dont want a video of him getting knocked out in groups like usual either

Messi will never feel pure joy like this.
He will never have the leadership skills when it really matters.

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Were Leicester 2016 an elite team or did everyone else just choke?
>Trying to argue for a meme team like Greece
They proved it was a fluke given that they didn't even QUALIFY for the world cup 2 years later.

>imagine being this salty over Tsunaldo.
Messi didn't play well this match.
get over it.

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Didnt even watch the match faggot lmao. Just love shitting on penaldo fags. Still waiting on them highlight reel plays though.

>proud zoomer little shit thinking the world revolves around him
Every time.

fucked up my post
my point is greatness demands great achievements, Argentina is in a title drought and Messi is their main player and until he ends their drought and wins a big title for Argentina, he can't be considered GOAT
(CA is big for them, but the real deal is the WC)

lmao
you're the one who's in a Messi defeat thread engaging in a bizarre one-man defence of the indefensible.
at least I'm Portuguese and backing my compatriot, what the hell is a burger doing here when even Argentinians are way past defending that system babby of theirs who always underperforms for them?

Its ok, Mayorga, it wasnt your fault.

His point is that materazzi has an achievement that Ronaldo doesn't have, that doesn't, obviously, make materazzi better than Ronaldo. You are still heavily depedent on the national team you are stuck with. Argentina is in a title drought because their team is extremely mediocre in terms of overall national teams and that is being very generous

It's a team sport you mong; the days of one player dribbling past a bunch of farmers are long gone.

Autistic screeching is not trolling.

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I'm too old to be a zoomer, also shitting on nostalgia fags doesn't mean you're a zoomer. Deluding yourself that "everything was better in the past" does mean you're a boomer

yes just like Germany in 2014 was also a fluke. The krauts couldn't even leave the group in the next edition, shameful.

he's clearly new to football.
must be the world famous american individualism.
he thinks players only win titles if they score in the final.

@93930774
>Comparing Germany 2014 to Greece 2004
You are literally too dumb to even (you) Pathetic troll Joao, you should be ashamed of yourself loser lol wow losing to Greece at home. Greece! Wew that was the biggest fluke win of the last 30 years.

>he thinks players only win titles if they score in the final.
not only that, he uses as an argument to claim Messi is better by not even reaching a final.
he probably believes that Messi scoring in a final and still losing to Chile is a better achievement than Ronaldo not scoring in a final and winning the trophy.
it's amazing logic.

>It's a team sport you mong; the days of one player dribbling past a bunch of farmers are long gone
And yet you demand this of Ronaldo in a final for him to "deserve" a title.
lmao I don't think I've ever seen anyone get btfo so hard in any thread on Yea Forums.

he had world-class teammates in 2014, what happened?

Let’s not forget CR7 was 18 years old lol.

>And yet you demand this of Ronaldo
Huh? Are you CTE'd? Do you think every American flag is the same poster you obsessed loser? Are you that moron who tried to compare Germany 2014 to Greece 2004?

I think losing 2 (two) finals to Chile, a Bolivia tier nation, is worse, Kaythlin.

Ronaldo didnt even play in the final, that's the part your missing. Stay delusional

Penaldo had world-class teammates in 2004, what happened?

Scored literally all juve knockout goals, team was garbage last year.

He lost like he always does

Chile is a far more accomplished team than Greece, you should know

The elite of Bolivia, Ecuador, Peru and Venezuela

>loses argument
>t-that wasn't me anons hehe

It literally wasn't lol but I can see you're seething hard.

I love this meme with every fiber of my being.

>Poland is a shit squad
>Conveniently forgetting Croatia
Pissi fans in a nutshell

What argument? I think you think you're talking to me when you're replying to my fellow burger. Still waiting on the highlight of Ronaldo's moments in the final.

You KNOW if messi's team made a final and won without him you would hold it against him and you should. Let's not be disingenuous you disgusting 3rd world shit

Ok. You're Messi. The first time is over and you're losing. What are you gonna say to your teammates?

Not really.
Also, due to your 0 knowledge and football culture you should really stop posting.

you seem to think I'm defending Cristiano, I don't care about him. I'm criticizing you retards that say that Messi is GOAT when he haven't done anything a GOAT would do for his NT
>Ronaldo
our Ronaldo has 2 WCs, 2 CAs, 1 Conf. Cup and 15 WC goals despite the injuries he had

HAHAHAHAHAHAAHAHAHA what a fucking flop, shame I was taking my third siesta and missed it.

> due to your 0 knowledge and football culture
Is this how you cope when your vapid opinions get debunked you zoomer?

Why couldn't you answer the question?

Do spoiler tags even work in /so/?

Why are anons talking of CR7 in a Messi thread?
Messi played like shit this tournament.
he barely moves in the pitch.
There is nothing to praise him for.

>m-messi deserved it so in my head he won.
>r-ronaldo didn't deserve it so in my head he didn't win.
>imagine caring this much about a player in a sport your country doesn't care about and who isn't even American.
serious question though: are Ronaldo's achievements like rape traumas to you or were you actually raped by a family member while staring at a Ronaldo poster on a wall?
I'm confused now.

you didn't even answer my question nor got my point, you Americans(Chicanos) can't have a healthy debate about Messi without mentioning that Portuguese guy

People say penaldo only played 1 game in the nations league and messi played all 5 yet ronaldo contributed to 3 goals in 1 game and messi 1 goal in 5 games
WHO RATES THIS COLD CHESTED DWEEB?

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>when he haven't done anything a GOAT would do for his NT
It's a non argument, lets take Ibra. Lets say he would have a claim to be the GOAT in terms of his performance with his team but he is stuck with Sweden. Would he now not be the GOAT because he can't win anything with his below average team? No, it's a dumbass way to determine who is the GOAT or not. Why can't people see through that retarded way of thinking

You're calling me a retard when you're the guy who just tried to assert that football and winning tournaments is an individual achievement.

>our Ronaldo has 2 WCs, 2 CAs, 1 Conf. Cup and 15 WC goals despite the injuries he had
forget it, he believes players only win titles if they score in finals.
that's what he thinks football is.

Lmao way to completely dodge the point shit eater. Just like Ronaldo dodges the world cup final lmao. STILL waiting for the video brah

Fernando Torres is better than Cristiano, I agree

GOATS actually play in finals when their teams win scrub

None expects Portugal to win anything.

If you are good
have great performances
but you never win international trophies
you can't be the GOAT.

why would you recieve praise for something you aren't.

O ALFONSO

I actually agree.
And nobody even expected Portugal to win anything, we were just always expected to choke or get beaten by a superior team in semis and finals.
But now that we won the Euro, the demand is for him to win a WC.
I mean, seriously?
He's done well beyond what we could ever imagine possible.
It reminds me of people who think it's a greater achievement to win the league playing in current Barcelona than a scudetto in 80's Napoli (Maradona > Messi).

He did play the final.

My sides. I don't even hate Messi like some people do but this is fucking pathetic for a player of his stature.

To be fair unless you are a zoomer it was always Cristiano who tried to compare to Messi and statpad to beat him

he played in that final.
there's the argument defeated.
"oh no, but he must play more than x minutes".
lmao

Oh man yes how can I forget the 10 minutes Ronaldo played that did absolutely nothing in terms of the impact of the game. It's almost like he didnt actually player for 100+ minutes like the rest of his team did. How could I forget that epic performance?

That's retarded and you know it, at least I hope you do

>playing for 10 minutes
>then watches his teammates win without him
>the GOAT

Lmao fucking top tier delusion. Once again if messi did this you would shit all over him and rightfully so. Sorry penaldo is a fraud for his NT too. Maybe you 3rd world losers will see a real GOAT some day. Or just watch Tom Brady I guess

>How could I forget that epic performance?
How could you user!

I shall make you remember!
don't worry.
youtube.com/watch?v=nW8QDNnXVlk

He doesn't know cause he's a late 90s video game iPad era kid

ouch.
so this is the guy Ronaldo is compared to when he's criticised for not scoring a goal in a final.
really activates your grey matter.

Lmao. Otamendi and Garay were the best CB’s in the portuguese league this decade. We play with 58 year old Pepe and another old dude like Fonte or Bruno alves or now literally who Dias who is not even close to the level the argies I said displayed in our league. Lucho Gonzalez or Enzo Perez were GOATs here as well, better than Danilo Pereira or William, as good as Moutinho. And they are/were tertiary players for Argentina.
Then you have/had Di Maria, Higuain, Tevez, Aguero, Dybala,....

a GOAT always helps his team win.

It's funny how he only came back to "coach" when it looked like Portugal could pull it off in extra time.

based and TSUUUUpilled

>the demand is for him to win a WC
>him
that's the problem, 'he' doesn't win it by himself the team does. He can help of course but he is dependent on his team, boomers don't understand this. Portugal is a good balanced team and Euro vs Wales was, well.. a weird Euro

Lmao this is the Highlights I was waiting for that the 3rd world loser was too afraid to post. Man what a pathetic player. Are these two the biggest frauds in soccer ever? Simply a fabrication made up by Nike and fifa?

>chile 2 CAs
>greece 1 euro
>chile far more accomplished footballing nation
>debunked
And they say having two dads dont necessarily results in the kid being a faggot.

>Being a glorified cheerleader
Wow what a GOAT Tssuuuuuuuuu!

Remember when Jordan or Brady did shit like this in the finals as they watched their team win without them? That's what the true GOATS do, dont even play and take the teams accomplishment and make it an individual one. Super based

>helps them get to the final with crucial goals.
>can't play in most of the final through no fault of his own and because the French were convinced that without HIS presence victory would be all but guaranteed.
>still uses his aura to support and push forward his team of absolute warriors.
>confirmed with images from the actual match and the post-match celebrations in the locker room.
>perfect redemption for 2004 disappointment.
>fairytale moment.
>this is somehow a bad thing.
try harder.

>Two dads
Stop projecting. Did a boy with two dads bully you in the playground?

Also Chile are objectively a better team than Greece. You'd need to be demented to even attempt to argue otherwise.

you're clutching at straws, dude,
just let it go.

>Otamendi and Garay were the best CB’s in the portuguese league this decade
HAHAHAHAHAHAHA
>We play with 58 year old Pepe and another old dude like Fonte or Bruno alves
I would pepe and bruno over both those peasant anyday
>Then you have/had Di Maria, Higuain, Tevez, Aguero, Dybala,.
None of the above came even close to playing half way decent for Argentina, notice a pattern? Most of these didn't even play together much on the same national team. The reality still is that Portugal would only take Messi and maybe Aguero in their starting line up. That is if you find place to put Aguero in the front with Messi, Ronaldo and Bernardo Silva already there.

yeah, I agree with you.
it's basically like saying you can only be considered the greatest if you're born in specific parts of the world where there are national teams that can win world cups.
it's pathetic.

Helps yes, can't carry downies to a title tho

Where was he the other 70 mins? Genuine question

Greece beat better teams IMO

>far more accomplished
>better
Moving the goalposts. Nice way to admit that you are wrong.

Flukes happen once every 50 years, yes.

I know you're trolling, you don't even believe this yourself.
sad, really.

>Helps yes, can't carry downies to a title tho
If the downies loose
he is a downie also.

>through no fault of his own

His shit genetics deep down inside that cant be covered up with plastic surgery finally showed themselves again

I'm not wrong, you're just a slimey Penaldo fan-boy too worried to admit you were wrong.

I guarantee if Portugal didn't choke you would be hand-waving the fact that Penaldo won it all by himself despite all the world class talent Portugal had in 2004...

That's not how it works, go play your flute

You didnt answer his question

>Can't answer a simple genuine question

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>all that talent
>the 18 year ol boy choked hahaha
I will always admire how burgers make being retarded something to be proud.

Icardi should be on this team

Serious question, if missi took his team to an international final and they won without him on the field what would your reaction be? I'll know your lying by the flag you post with

Burgers tend to eat the >muh Messi vs Ronaldo narrative up because our own sports revolve around superstars. Divegrass works differently though

>He's still going
Wow

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>what did he mean by this

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>I will slander you with what makes you great.
>penaldo
>empujanaldo
>headernaldo
>byciclekicknaldo
>onetouchnaldo
>stepovernaldo
>dribblenaldo
etc, etc.
hahahahahaha
imagine unironically being this salty.

Talk about messi desu.
why can't you?
He no longer plays WITH his teamates
it's hurting him and the team
this was a terrible tournament for him.
If only he noticed his errors.

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>blocks your path

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The only reason burgers partake in this debate is because these fags fill this board up with this shit whenever either one of these fags lose and it's the same argument every single fucking time. You can literally plot out every single messi vs Ronaldo thread from beginning to end

Why the fuck are you so obsessed with making Messi the good guy and Ronaldo the bad guy? It's not that black and white

That is how it works.
Theres no
>hey lmao I dribble past 15 players todat, and we lost, don't blame me
maybe your skills are useless to win the match.

Why would I talk about missi? This board is dominated with everyone shitting on him now. I'm just here to bring you Ronaldo fags down a peg. Epic cheerleading video by the way. I'll send it to my local high school cheer squad

It's comfy to know that the hard working underdog with a poor family background became GOAT (took risks in his career, huge leaps from one system of play to another, keeps reinventing himself) ahead of the cuddled system babby who was bred by the La Masia factory to become the greatest (Argentinian, playing for Barcelona, collecting titles, risk prevention to the max).
Good guys can win after all.

>he has no more arguments
Sit down, son. Stop embarrasing yourself.

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Because of the topic of the thread, maybe?
Lmao

You’re a brainlet. Tell me who were the best CB’s in the league then. Maicon? Mangala? Felipe? Luisão? Dias? Jardel? Rolando? Coates? Mathieu? Naldo? Indi? Luiz? Paulo Oliveira? Lindelof?

>You can literally plot out every single messi vs Ronaldo thread from beginning to end
can you tho?

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There's no narrative. Messi is clearly better in all areas except heading. By far the more superior footballer, even at what Ronaldo does best, poaching, Messi did it better in 2013...Messi has even surpassed him at taking free-kicks. Nessi plays further deeper in the pitch while Ronaldo is constantly waiting for service in the box. Messi puts up similar numbers and more assists. They both choke relatively equally in terms of penalty taking, Messi has missed 26 penalties in his career with a 77% conversion rate while Ronaldo has missed 25 with a 82% conversion rate.

Did you literally not read my post?

you're trying to argue with the urgayan version of twain
just stop

I'm doing no such thing you mong
>Claims a choke job doesn't count cause it happened when he was still in diapers
Like I said, go play fortnite

Ronaldo also much better at overall athleticism, leadership, box to box runs, clutchness. Those are huge traits for a footballer

>why would i talk about messi?

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It's like "NO EITHER MESSI OR RONALDO HAS TO BE GOAT AND YOU'RE DUMB FOR EVEN HAVING A SLIGHTLY DIFFERENT OPINION"

Divegrass used to be more nuanced and didn't use to be all about this shit.

Football is not basketball my friend. Conversion rate doesnt mean shit to this sport. A guy taking super long ranged shots are considered a good thing here. Missing chances are not a problem

Once again, did you literally read my post? Jesus christ are all penaldo fags this low IQ?

>leadership
>box to box runs
>clutchness
Nice subjective attributes. When you can't argue objectively it's much easier to just start larping right?

Yes several of those are at least on par if not better, especially compared to Otamendi. Also, noone really cares about the PT league

>Claims a choke job doesn't count cause it happened when he was still in diapers
At least with him there's a redemption arc instead of constant failure when you're expected to win.
The hero is usually the guy who overcomes failure and triumphs in the end, not the guy who is given every chance to do well and keeps failing.
That's just the way it is, and it's how they will be judged by history.

Sorry but this is universal to literally ALL sports bro. I rather have a super athletic guy whos always there in the big moment than a super talented but weak guy who cant deliver in big moments.

I never said it was basketball you muppet. I barely even watch basketball.

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>new-iq-test.com/peru-average-iq.html
Well that explains a lot

Clutchness can literally be measured objectively though brainlet. Ronaldo is more clutch than messi. Both are absolute frauds on their NT though

>thread about messi
>b-but ronaldo lost 15 years ago
Quite breathtaking, really.

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If you count memes tournaments as the Nations League, you have to count olympic medal and U20 World cup. So
2-2

> I rather have a super athletic guy
Yeah I'm sure you would

>Ronaldo is more clutch than messi
Lol

Why are you so pressed? What does your picture even say? Anyway, my point is that conversion rate is not a big deal at all. Move on

GOATs either have GOATesque performances on their NTs or accomplish more than the greats of their NTs.
People claim that Messi is the GOAT when he isn't, he haven't have a positive impact on Argentina's NT like Maradona did in '86 nor have accomplished more than Argentina's greats but people make excuses to justify his failures while claiming that he's the GOAT.
He had a solid team in '14 and the better team on paper in '15 and '16 yet he lost those finals, obviously he doesn't play alone but GOATs have great performances when their teams need them the most like Maradona against England in '86, Ronaldo against Germany in '02, Pelé against France in '58, Garrincha against England in '62 and Zidane against Brazil in '98.

Obviously.

Did you even watch the Nations League? All teams took it seriously. It was a great tournament not even close to u23 competitions.

>This illiterate loser can't see that Cristiano is also mentioned in the OP
>He tried to say that Ronaldo has never choked
>Bring up 2004 (I could easily have brought up 2010,2012,2014)
>d-d-oesn't count
It's clear you're barely 20

Ronaldo didn't played until the Semifinal. Oh yeah, seriously.

it's a shit league

Because it happened during the season and hes 34yo. The hell is your problem? The competition also provided a Eurocup spot. Thats huge

>lol I am a hater, why don't you dress with the exrement I dress with too.
hahahahahaha
>I'm just here to bring you Ronaldo fags down a peg
>implying he can
kek

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The Nations League it was LITERALLY brought to replace international FRIENDLIES. They gave a Euro spot to try to legitimize it. That's an objective truth you can't deny.

Bro I'm in here shitting on Ronaldo and even I can admit hes more clutch than messi. Still frauds for their NT though. Can only play with world class players on rich clubs. Mbappe might unironically dethrone both

How can you type that boomer tier argumentation and not be absolutely embarrassed? He did have a somewhat solid team in 2014 and what happened? WC final. Lets not pretend that they had a really good team like Germany and other had. The GOAT, plural usage is retarded, is still massively dependent on his team. No amount of carrying or "GOATing" is going to cut it in modern football. Why do you parrot retarded arguments from boomers that are nostalgia fagging?

Way to miss the point Marcelo. Let me help you out, there's no rivalry. Messi is objectively better, but for marketing purposes the media has manufactured a rivalry between two players who don't even play in the same position and play completely different roles. Messi has played as a CF before, he was scoring goals for fun and he still holds the record for most goals in a calendar year; 91 goals in 2012. He is much better than the very thing Ronaldo is best at. He then went back to being a midfielder and he still on some occasions ends up outscoring and constantly out-assists him every single year.

There I just explained it for you slowly. Do you get it now or do you want it written in crayon?

even if you count olympics and U20 World Cup (fucking lel), Ronaldo's achievements are comparatively more impressive, not only because winning the Euro is much more impressive than any of those competitions, but also because of the relative expectations and the history of both national teams.
Messi is an under-performer in the context of Argentinian national football, whereas Ronaldo is a huge over-performer in the history of Portuguese national teams.
Ronaldo has helped to change our national football history for the better, Messi has contributed to make Argentina worse than they've been historically.
These things must be taken into account, because the impact levels are just not the same.
We're not comparing equal expectations.

I know you think you said something clever but you didnt. Go watch your cheerleading video again brah, it's the only NT accomplishment Ronaldo has. Cheering for his team, on the bench

Cmon Hans, all the teams in the Champions League final and Europa League final were English this year

>He had a solid team in '14
Jesus christ, you can't be this retarded.

This dude with the USA flag is literally insane holy shit.

>Messi has contributed to make Argentina worse than they've been historically.
>Carried them to 4 major finals in the span of 8 years

Yes but you can't not count them. Neymar went to play olympic football to bring it home finally. Is every 4 years and teams try to seriously win it. The same as the U20 WC.

>ignores it's cr7 who actually won internationally
wew.
Reading comprehension from Burgers is just too low!

Sad!

Yeah I knew you weren’t gonna name a single one, because you’d be ripped to pieces. But messoyfags have no shame...

This is the dumbest thing anyone could ever say in regards to this discussion. Look at the years you listed out, 1958, 1962...Do you genuinely believe football is still being played at that level today?

using that logic, most competitions we now deem the greatest football events in the world were organised to professionalise the game and turn something that was amateur/friendly into a worldwide spectacle.
it won't be any different with the NL, as countries will want that trophy in their cabinets as well.

Yeah Eder won internationally I agree

You won a Euro final without him. Football is a team sport, your team is way better than Argentina.

and what were they doing all the years before?
Pep and Klopp walk that league like it's nothing

Ok, then count olympic football and U20 WC.

>this flag
>this post

get out Amerifat retard

Keep arguing for retarded shit, the reality is still that you wouldn't put in anyone but Messi and perhaps Aguero in the first team of Portugal and you know it

it seems I won't change your opinion neither you will change mine, I'm going to sleep, have a nice day.

-
to the American Messiposter, have sex and lose weight

Did all the monkey soup make you a schizophrenic brazil?

>Argentina have a better team than Portugal
The Cristina fanboys have lost their noggins

Argentina sides who don't win either the WC or the Copa America are in the bottom tier of Argentinian national football.
That's just the way it is.
You really think finals are important in football don't you?
They're not, only titles matter.

Bro you just told me the guy who has won 5 champions league is a marketing fraud. I'm not even taking my time anymore

They weren't winning it sure but still doing decently. Also, and I don't want to be a turbo autist, but you said 'is'. I also don't think their league is shit, which league isn't shit then?

Bro that was literally not me lol. Take your meds sweetie

Ah yes, he choked vs the most dominant NT of all time in a narrow 1-0 loss who wouldn’t stand with VAR, a loss in penalties where he didn’t miss and that time he was playing injured and lost vs Germany (playing 10vs11), drew vs USA creating the last second goal that saved Portugal’s chances and won vs Ghana, scoring the winning goal, and being eliminated because Germany didn’t need to press forward vs USA.

Also that 2004 final he “””choked””” at the age of nineteen, it surely wasn’t Figo (same age as Ronaldo in 2016) who missed an easy goal after a Ronaldo free kick

>the retard is still going

>Reading comprehension
I said the rivalry was a fraud. It's not my fault you can't even read at an elementary level.

>You really think finals are important in football don't you? They're not, only titles matter.

And how do you get a title? Jesus all Poortugese penaldo fans are ACTUALLY fucking retarded

Anyone saying Portugal has a better NT than Argentina is a fucking retard. Individually Argentina is much more talented. But Portugal is definitely more organized nowadays

Keep in mind Portugal second best player was Nani for a long time

It's a shame you won't budge because it's an absolutely embarrassing argument. If the argument was with team vs national teams you would have a point because the player could switch to a better team, this is not possible with national teams
>if only he had chosen the chad Spain vs the virgin Argentina

>tracks back
So this is the method of the messoy: ridicule what the experts say when they know nothing about the subject and then deflect to another shit

bundesliga actually

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Yes, but all things being equal (which I don't tink they are), I still rate Ronaldo's achievements with the NT waaaaaay above Messi's.
You can't compare Argentina and Portugal in a vacuum, it would be like demanding of Chile (just because they've had recent success) to do better than Germany or something.
I know it's not the best comparison because Germany has won recently, but still.
History matters.

>Penaldo book of excuses
>Drawing with USA
>Eliminated in the group stages
>Win a meaningless match against Ghana

Also he missed an open net in the Greece game

>b-b-ut he was only 14
Mbappe won the world cup at that age. Lol keep crying and keep using "age" as an excuse for choking

I don't follow football but he won the champions league right? surely after they were ahead of Liverpool 3-0 ? So at least he did that right? There's no possible way 'the best player in the world' and other great players at Barcelona could allow Liverpool to come back and win 4-0 right?

>perhaps Aguero
U think this shitter would have taken André Silva or Gonçalo Guedes spot?

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>Individually Argentina is much more talented
Rofl prove it. You can't even give the Belgian an answer for your stupid assertions. Only Messi and Aguero could make it into current Portugal.

Argue which players you would put in the Portugese team from Argentina besides the ones I mentioned. Considering that was the original discussion, noone cares about the PT league

I did.
Portugal still comes out on top.
Which in turn makes Ronaldo come out on top too.

It's funny how Messi gets blamed whenever Argentina lose,I'm not saying he's always perfect and deserves no blame but shit It's impressive how you guys put this all on him when he was one the best players on the pitch

ABL's seething. Based missi

>takes a side in the most shilled discussion
>durrrrr Messi good Ronaldo bad
>muh stats
>anyone who has a different take is a "moron"

This Messifag makes us all look bad tbqh. In many cases shaming Burgers for talking about divegrass is unjustified but in this particular case it is quite justified

>Ronaldo has helped to change our national football history for the better, Messi has contributed to make Argentina worse than they've been historically.
Ronaldo was a part of a golden generation who choked in 2004 and 2006 and should have won a Euro by then - especially against Greece at home. Just because Portugal hadn't won anything until recently doesn't take away from the fact that they have become a relevant European team starting from the 2000s and produced dozens of world class talent. Portugal winning silverware recently was because they are a good team ran by a good manager, not because of Ronaldo dragging a "mediocre" team by himself. The fact that there are delusional Portuguese fags like you who want to belittle your own national team just to fellate one player is sad and pathetic - not even Argentines do that with Messi.

Messi has played with great players in Argentina but nowhere close good enough that they can win world cups. He was too young in 2006 and 2010 was sabotaged by Maradona not bringing in or playing the good Argentines like Crespo, Cambiasso, Zanetti, Milito - the latter three having won the CL with Inter in the same year of the 2010 world cup. 2014 was his chance but Argentina got a lucky draw to the final and faced weak or inexperienced sides like a young Belgium and needed penalties after a semen-slurping 0-0 against Netherlands to reach the final. They lasted until extra time against one of the most talented German squads in history with the likes of Garay, Perez, Biglia, Rojo, and Lavezzi - all shit players - starting. From 2015 and onwards it has been a slow decline of players declining in Argentina, not enough talent, and multiple managers quitting and leaving due to their federation's incompetence. Is Messi shit for Argentina? Hardly, considering that he's done what he could given the circumstances. Is he a choker? Maybe. Is he the sole reason Argentina haven't won anything? No, that's absolutely retarded.

>Greece is better than Chile
This is how far Penaldo losers will go in order to try and legitimize the legacy of their false goat

It's all the more impressive that Portugal can have a better team than Argentina with 1/4 of the population and the history both teams have.

>Has nothing insightful to offer other than gaslighting
>Thinks his rabid moronic opinions should be taken as objective truths
I almost never like to use the word but cringe

Messi wouldn’t make it to current Portugal so either way you’re wrong

You'd have to put the line up so I can see if Aguero fits with Messi, Ronaldo and Bernardo Silva together with the current Portugal line up. If it fits and doesn't fuck up the balance Portugal has then sure he would have merit

>He's now talking about population as a determinant for a team being good
You've truly lost the plot friend.

You get a title when the team you play in wins a final.

HAHAHAAHHAAHAHAHAH MESSHIT BTFO

Yeah!
He won it alongside Tsunaldo!
your memory is not so good

I shall refresh it!

Portugal have a much better back 5 and defense wins championships

You're not white are you

kek

Ask your mom

>Lol keep crying
Kek less than a month ago I saw the GOAT lift his 2nd trophy with the NT at the stadium, maybe you’re the sad, pathetic one.

Don't go full retard Henrique

Bernardo Silva onle became a thing last season. He didnt have a role in the Eurocup for example. Portugal was playing Vierinha, R. Pereira, Renato Sanches, Adrien Silva, Gelson Martins, Elder, Quaresma, Nani,Old as fuck Joao Moutinho...

I remember Portugal playing really well when "Tsunaldo" got subbed off and Eder scoring a rocket. I didn't know cheerleaders got free medals and accolades though!

Pepe is the only world class player.

Still he is the future and anyone with half a brain can see it

>lift his 2nd trophy
No one rates that pity friendlies trophy lol who are you kidding Joao lol my sides

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How does the future affect whats been done by Messi and Ronaldo? Thats what we are discussing right. But I do agree Bernardo Silva is better than any player coming up for Argentina rn

Penaldo will never hold one of these

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>still blabbering on about Ronaldo in a thread about Messi's failure.
wew lad

Whatever you say Tyrone. Just learn to argue properly. You didn't even list Messi's best argument over Ronaldo (his h2h record with Barca against Real).

For the record, I don't think either is the GOAT(it's Pele or Maradona in my book) so I'm neutral.

>Thread mentions Cristiano
>s-s-top bringing up his failures reeeee

No we're discussing who we put in the Portugese first team from the current Argentinian team. I said Messi and Aguero

There's no arguing with deluded losers.

>it's Pele or Maradona in my book
$500 says you never saw either of them play week in and week out. Just a youtube highlights babby

Oh sweetie
there are no cheerleaders in football.
Only teammates!

Don't worry user
you don't really grasp the game yet
you lack serious knowledge
but you can learn!

>He was too young in 2006 and 2010
my sides.
this disengenious faggot is saying its ronaldos fault for choking in 2004 and 2006 when he was only 18 and 20 respectively but suddenly Messi was too young in 2010 being 23 years old.
this is why you shouldnt argue with fanboys, they only seek to fullfil agendas.

>Ronaldo choked, he scored the winning in the last match after playing the 3 games injured? yeah but it was meaningless
The burger

I think never holding the World Cup is something that hurts Argentinians a whole lot more than it hurts us.
We just don't expect it. Ever.
They, however, have had to learn not to expect it from teams that include Messi.
In the most painful ways.

From 2010-2014 Ronaldo was playing beside Nani and Hugo Almeida. Meanwhile Messi had, Tevez, Agüero, Higuaín, and Di Maria,

The current Portuguese squad though is much stronger than this Argentina. They're too old, disorganized, and rely way too much on Messi.

Can you not seethe for at least 10 seconds?

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>everytime anons offer an opening to discuss Messi's role with the national team contrasting it to Ronaldo's I shall just resort into calling them salty and use ronaldo failures out of context , anyone who responds and calls me out is salty themselves.
Logic.exe has crashed
can't exit program.

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Why is it always Americans who autistically defend Messi? It's never Argies, they've kinda surrendered to the fact Messi is a system baby who chokes when it matters most.

>Garay, Perez, Biglia, Rojo, and Lavezzi - all shit players - starting
LMAO. Meanwhile the other retarded burger is thrashing injured Ronaldo for being eliminated after starting with:
>Beto
>André Almeida
>João Pereira
>Bruno Alves
>Ricardo Costa
>Veloso
>Meireles
>Postiga
Vs the USA

>s-s-top bringing up roidnaldo's failures!!!! you're making me cry!!!

>implying he wouldn't do well in a different team

>The year is 2050.
>Portugal are on the cusp of winning their first world cup in the first ever intergender world cup
>Ronaldo is part of the coaching staff
>He suddenly takes off his coaching gear and puts on a full kit
>He asks to get subbed on in the 89th minute
>Dives for a penalty
>He takes it, scores, and does the infamous tsu celebration
>"T-t-here guys I did it I'm finally better than Messi now I have the WC to prove it"
>Twain who is now a 70 year old logs onto 4channel and makes his 25,000th Messi hate thread

K, then why hasn't he done it with Argentina?

I know, it's really weird.
Do you think it's white Americans or cholos?
I can't imagine African-Americans caring about this.

Youve been here for the past couple of hours defending penaldo. Mental illness is something you're familiar with

Carried a non top team to a WC final? Also, I was talking about actual teams not national teams.

>Pretending like he just entered the thread
This is a new level of mental illness. You're most likely a middle eastern immigrant of some kind, no joke, when I see a Messi related facebook post from FOX sports it's always the Hassans and Abdullah's of the world who say the exact same things you're saying.

>b-b-but Portugal were shit in 2014!
USA were even more shit then and barely scraped the group stage, I dont understand your point at all. It seems like you want to act like Portugal have always been a shit no name team when they have made the semifinals of a wc in the last decade, made it to multiple semifinals and finals in the Euros - winning 1 without Ronald - and always producing top players from Liga Nos. Are you this desperate to make your statpadding fraud a demigod or something?

>proving yourself guilty of pilpull.
>clutch player of your country all through the tournament
>Did not deserve the praise for winning the tournament
wew.
>accusses others of being retarded fanboys
>it's a fanboy of his own hate.
>Mental illness is something you're familiar with
He keeps projecting his own mind
hahahah

Here are the types of American Messi fan bois

1. Hipster fags who got into football in 2010 while they were in college. The kinds of people who drink IPAs while writing essays on the 'beautiful game'. Never actually played football, currently support Barcelona, Arsenal, or Liverpool. These types currently write for dead-spin and bleacher report.

2. Fat cholos who love Messi because he was on the cover of the first FIFA they played and he's from a Spanish speaking country.

Judging from the demo that Yea Forums attracts and the absolute idiocy spewing from these Messi defenders I sense it's #2

The hannibal of Hungary
The warlock of Wales

What a goat!

This is some serious projection.

All these:
are you

>calling a team that included Messi, Aguero, Higuain, Di Maria, Macherano, Garay, Zabaleta, Rojo a non top team.

You're being an idiot. That 2014 team was stacked, had a rock solid defence(only allowed 4 goals all tournament) and had the most deadly strike-force on the planet.

Go to bed.

How many minutes did Aguero play?

>and had the most deadly strike-force on the planet.
and yet they barely scored without Messi. I wonder why that could be. Perhaps you muh on paper team fags need to look at the actual games and see that they played average throughout the tournament. They weren't counted among the top 3-4 teams for good reason

He's busy googling how many minutes Aguero played since these losers don't actually watch games and he thinks Aguero was in any way shape or form integral to Argentina making it to the WC final.

>Make finals
>Best defensive team of the tournament
>have best player of the tournament

What did Belgium mean by this?

Lmao what a retard you are, they had Bosnia, Nigeria and Iran in the group stages. They struggled through that group, Messi scored 4 and they won with 1 goal difference each time.
Next games were Switzerland and Belgium in 1/8 and 1/4 which both weren't top teams in 2014, they only won these games with 1 goal difference each time. I remember the goal vs Belgium it was a random goal by Higuain. The ball lands near his feet by accident, he puts his boot against it and it goes in the corner. Semi final was 0-0 against The Netherlands and they won the penalties, and the final they lost. For a top team as you claim these small victories each time are unexpected, they didn't win a game with more than 1 goal difference.

God you're so embarassing. Ronaldo is a carrier and an alpha, while messi is a system babby virgin. When the curtains fall on their careers Ronaldo will be hailed as the GOAT who unfortunately could not win a WC but has done it all else. While messi is to be remembered as the barca player that burried extremadura.

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>calls others embarrassing while bringing up the retarded 'hasn't won anything with national team' boomer tier argument
>is from the UK and misspells embarrassing
>needs a loicense for butterknifes
I understand the need for you to cope but it's embarrassing nonetheless

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Lol fuck you're angry. When you fall asleep at night thinking of messi what goes through your mind? For me it's when he nutmegged that betis player and put it past the keeper. Now that was fucking quality. Too bad it didn't count for anything.

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I would have to cope hard and find joy in retarded shit as well if I was in your position. I mean we're like 10-20 years off from where you are at, I can only imagine what the state of the UK will be then

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You stupid nigger. Tsu got them to the finals. He made up for his absence with that hattrick. The players understand that it's hard for them to shine while Ronaldo is there. So Ronaldo let them breathe. He came back to help them get an easy trophy. It was his reward for them playing so well. He knows they did it by themselves. He takes no credit.

Source: I'm connected.

Do you not watch the sport? Only two of their players play for major teams. Everyone is a nobody.

Argentina has double if not triple the superstars Portugal has.

This is why your shit country can never win.

It's the truth Moohammad

Agreed. Amongst many other things, Belgium was a mistake. We should have never invented your non country. When you say we what do you refer to? We the british made nation or we the not french, not german and not dutch?

What is, Jose?

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Nigger why is your English so good? You leave in the fucking forest eating beans and fish.

Exactly, you anglo's need to fuck up everything. I'm obviously from the based Dutch part

Messi was the goal keeper wasn't he?

I don't care where you're from. But either way you're a cuck for living in someone else's country.

I will allow you the cope and the lack of self reflection cuck insult, it are hard times for you after all

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UN DÍA EN LA VIDA DE PECHONEL FRESSI: SE LEVANTA CON LA MANCHA DE LAS 4 FINALES PERDIDAS EN EL ORTO. DESAYUNA HORMONAS, PERO GUARDA UN POCO PARA INYECTARSE DESPUÉS. ANTES DE SALIR A JUGAR, BESA Y LE RESA A UN POSTER DE D7OSNALDO Y DEL DIEGO. DURANTE EL PARTIDO, EL COLORADO LIBERMAN LE EMPIEZA HACER BULLYNG POR SUS NOTABLES CAMINATAS CON EQUIPOS IMPORTANTES. COMO SIEMPRE EL PECHO FRÍO QUEDA ELIMINADO, PERO LE ECHA LA CULPA A SUS COMPAÑEROS CUANDO EL ENANO ESTUVO TODO EL PARTIDO MIRANDO EL PASTO. CUANDO LLEGA A SU CASA, SE ENCUENTRA A D7OSNALDO CON LA PIJA DURA Y CON LA EUROCOPA GANADA CON SU SELECCIÓN, POR LO QUE EL HORMONADO LE ENTREGA EL ORTO, P7JUDANALDO LE ROMPE EL ORTO LLENANDOSELA DE LECHE BLANCA "MERENGUE", EL PORTUGUÉS DICE: “Cauda rica e requintada Fressi", FRESSI SE VA A DORMIR CON EL CULO ROTO Y ASI TODOS LOS DÍAS

Checked and truthpilled

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what should be the point here? thats a crazy amount of goalds and he scores more goals on average in round of 16 and quarter final then in the group stages.

most against Arsenal i would guess that always gets beaten to death outside of the group stages

>a scatalan

Lmao these Messi fanboys actually trying to defend Portugal being more stacked somehow. I always knew they made pathetic cope excuses but Jesus

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>tactics
nobody mentioned tactics you retard. he said Messi decides who starts and who doesnt which is true. Where were Icardi Dybala Aguero and a couple of others? Same shit for Barcelona too, Suarez is starting forever because he's Messi's best friend.