2010:does nothing for Argentina

Name me a player who has won anything with dogshit teammates retard

Cristiano Ronaldo

Chichamierda así todo tronco como el solo no falla ese cabezazo

Unironically Ronaldo,maybe not dogshit but on paper inferior to Aguero and the like

how about this: Argentina does nothing for Messi

>manager Lionel Scaloni

quick run down on his managing history?

Are you guys actually retarded?Do any of you watch games?Do any of you know that football is played 11 players?How many teams has won anything with a non existent midfield,shit keeper,shit tactics,shit defence.Like do guys even get the sport at all?

Actually, it's not his fault.

It's Diego Armanado cocaino Maradona.

Why? Because this lad inspired the future Argentinians to all be attackers, which is why they have all icardis palacios agueros n shid. Their GK is literal whomst, defence and midfield non existent.

>literally play 20 minutes in 210 minutes worth of international finals
>team wins literally without him on the field
If that were Messi you'd be shitting on him but because you love Homonaldo its acceptable

This "shit" team got to the final like 5 times in a row, no excuse.

You cried while typing that? lel

20xx-2018: ??
2019: Argentina

Ronaldo teammates step up when needed he got bailed out by Renato Sanchez,Gueres,Silva etc.Ronaldo teammates may not look good on paper but they perform when needed

Their attackers are the ones that drop the ball more often though

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This is not the same team you dumbfuck

Keep making excuses, Messi is a fraud.

I can't even think of an equivalent. Imagine if Gareth Bale went to Madrid and got a gigantic tattoo of the Spanish flag over his entire back and then treated playing for Wales like a fucking chore and that Wales should kiss his feet and the flag on his back for making him a Goat.

Will they be better off without him? Like what happened with sweden and zlatan?

But he got them there unlike pissi

To be fair he was supposed to win it 2014. Argentina was very unlucky in that game and deserved the win. Neuer should have gotten red and that would have been the end of it

So why can't Argentina assemble a team full of /strongmind/? They blew their chance when Mascherano was still here

>messoy
youtu.be/S-4l7MIyrg8

Argentina almost failed to qualify after Messi retired from the NT.
Coincidentally, they got slightly better when he came back and qualified.

Excuse?How many players in this current team played in any of the finals?

These people are all zoomer Ronaldo trolls. Everyone knows this argentinian generation besides aguero and messi are trash. If messi had that 2002 or 2006 argentinian team that pekerfraud did not play him on, he unironically would have won.

It is when he decides who plays.

MESSOY

some greek

Peter Schmeichel with Denmark

>getting second place in a WC
>doing nothing

Sure, he didnt win, but second isnt bad either.

zlatan carried sweden multiple times, he did with sweden what messi should be able to do with argentine

Loser mentality

Le rebota en la rodilla y lo mete xd

second place is first loser,man. it's not like our team was even that good.

So you've made peace with finishing second in the Falklands war?

Why is Messi like this? Why doesn't he do something?

>L-l-los-... losing ii-i-isn't that b-bad either...

Lmao what a cuck.

U forget
>2006 same
>2007 same

You could have just said he never did anything

I guess soccerfags arent really that smart

His career would've been cemented in stone with the 2014 win and nothing else would've mattered, But it didn't happen

Higuain didn't check his run and then scored offside
Messi missed a pretty tight angle but makeable shot
Neuer would've gotten a red card if he was 0.2 seconds late
Higuain missed the 1v1 against Neuer
Palacio missed another 1v1 with shit control
apart from the one clusterfuck play at the end of the 1st half, Germany didn't do anything until the Goetze goal. Unlucky, but he will never get that close again.

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Denmark was stacked even without Michael.

>self-hating german
pottery

t.Mohamed Abdul

>it's not like our team was even that good
How was it not good?
It trashed most team, especially Brazil.

Messi did absolutely nothing past the group stage, Argentina was carried by their defense. Mascherano and Rojo were the best players. Argentina got to the final in spite of Messi

Portugal 2016 was a GARBAGE team. They literally didn't win a single group game, that team was worse than any argentina team yet ronaldo still put in the work to help them reach the final.

>Messi missed a pretty tight angle but makeable shot
He would always score that at barca

It's funny how people act like they played better without donaldo when in reality they were complete shit but france choked away the game to a blooter

Proves that people only check youtube highlights and not the full matches. The chicano who loves messi even started a thread praising his YT highlights lmao

it is kind of bizarre how the argentinians underperform compared to how well their best players are domestically

It's because these retarded fucks hire terrible managers, look at the state of managers in copa, not one decent one.

>singlehandedly makes his NT relevant
>"d-does nothing"

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immediately stopped watching after 20min because every argentinian player lost the ball after 2 seconds

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Lol

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oops

:does nothing for Argentina
You're fucking stupid. He took them to the World Cup final and won the Golden Ball.

>Ronaldo delivers great assist to secure a trip to the finals during Euros
>Messhit just mopes around and blames his teammates

youtube.com/watch?v=Yj1udxoYaVc

weird how all these shit players are usually key players for their clubs but can't perform with Argentina. It's almost as if having to play for one midget is holding them back.

yes

that's a pass why did he not even make the attempt? Higuain has no angle makes no sense to shoot.

Why is Argentina's team so shit? I've legitimately never heard of half them
>Armani
>Saravia
>Guido Rodriguez
>Marchesin
>Casco
>Guido Pizarro
Half of these guys play in Argentina and most of the others in Mexico or Udinese. Is this their talent pool or is the federation a joke?

See

>Messi did absolutely nothing past the group stage
youtube.com/watch?v=wGiDDjn4yKc

Lmao 2011 messi was by far best messi and even then he choked hard on his own Copa America in Argentina. Pecho frio

>injects hgh
>scores against eibar
>dribbles past boateng
>refballs
>missis penals
>muh eye test

le goat legacy, am I rite fellow npcs?

>choked hard on his own Copa America in Argentina

That was Tevez.

>Tsu scored 3 against them
lmao

Imagine shitting on Messi all day every day because the stats back him up as better than Ronaldo. Hilarious, really.

Messi has no leadership quality and his excessive autism makes it impossible for him to perform without a hustler who can keep his (and the team's) morale high. This combined with poor tactics lead to the lads absolutely confused at what they are supposed to be doing. Remember that peak Messi was a lot like Maradona in that he was the le epic dribble past 5 guys man but he was always the trap card, never the one that the team relies on for leadership. He never even so much as yell vamos to his teammates. Of course now that he can no longer dribble past everyone he is forced to play as the pseudo-playmaker and target man which only highlights his weaknesses even more. Liquid Twain was right.

>tfw you will never see tsuu and messi in the same team

This year he was by far the best player in the world, he carried barca to a la liga and almost single handedly to a CL final.

I don't mind boomers saying that Maradona is better, but I've never seen anyone who isn't a 3rd worlder or an underage faggot even claim that Ronaldo is better.

I suspect it would have been a lot like Ibra and Messi or Neymar and Messi, as in there would be passive aggressive bickering leading to one of them leaving. Suarez only managed to stay this long because he constantly bantzed in a self deprecating way with Messi and in matches he always tries giving the final pass back to Messi as much as he could. At this point I respect ratking a lot more than I do messi to be honest.

>singapore
Neymar and Messi were friends and still have a group chat. Neymar just left because he wanted a leadership role elsewhere.

missi was always a tap in merchant, anything that needs an extra inch of effort or stepping out of the comfort zone and he is nowhere to be found
>but he creates his own chances and passes to himself
just no

>he carried barca to a la liga
This has more to do with the fact the other teams just shitted the bed.
>almost single handedly to a CL final.
pfft liverpool was their first good team they played and they choked, nigga saying almost when they got smoked by 4 goals and basically choked a 3 goal lead in back to back years. Messi is the one who promised barca a UCL but can't lead them over the line

>greece
The la liga title was also mostly down to pikek playing like a madman in a lot of the important games. And the loss to Liverpool was partly because the defense sucked not to mention conceding at least one unlucky goal, and this immediately brought the team morale down, to which Messi and the attacking midfielders had no answer. Liverpool on the other hand played like they had nothing to lose. Barca players for some reason have always played like this for years, it's like they are constantly under huge pressure even when facing farmers.

I’m sorry but shitty footballing countries like USA, Singapore, Romania, and Canada should not be discussing this sport and its players. Your opinions are worthless

proof?

2004: choked to greece at the euro
2004: choked to west bromwich albion in the league cup
2004: choked in the CL ro16 against porto
2005: choked in the FA cup final against arsenal
2005: choked in league cup semi final against chelsea
2005: choked in the CL ro16 against milan
2006: choked in the FA cup against liverpool
2006: choked in the CL group stage, got eliminated
2006: choked to france at the WC
2007: choked in the FA cup final against chelsea
2007: choked in the CL second leg against milan
2007: choked in the league cup against southend united
2008: choked in the community shield final, won with penalty shootouts without shooting one
2008: choked in the FA cup against portsmouth
2008: choked to germany at the euro
2008: missed his penalty in the penalty shootout, got bailed out by Terry slipping
2009: choked in the fifa club world cup final, got bailed out by rooney
2009: choked in the CL final while Messi scored
2010: choked to spain at the WC
2010: eliminated in the ro16 by lyon in the CL
2011: choked in the CL semifinal against Messi who scored twice
2012: missed his penalty in the penalty shootout of the CL semifinal
2012: choked to spain at the Euro
2013: choked in the CL second leg against dortmund
2014: choked in the copa del rey final, got bailed out by di maria and bale
2014: choked against germany and the usa in the groupstage of the WC, got eliminated in the groupstage
2014: got bailed out in the CL final by ramos
2015: choked in the fifa club world cup final, got bailed out by ramos and bale
2016: choked in the final of the CL, got bailed out by ramos
2016: on the bench in the euro final, got bailed out by Eder
2017: choked in the fifa confederation cup against chile
2018: choked in the CL final, got bailed out by benzema and bale
2018: choked to uruguay at the WC
2019: choked in the coppa italia against atalanta
2019: choked in the nations league final, got bailed out by Guedes

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Cope

they locked up the game without ronaldo on the pitch

>this immediately brought the team morale down, to which Messi and the attacking midfielders had no answer
think of similar situations, they never do.
You're at Anfield, perhaps the most difficult home field in the world. No team could turn this around. And still, before the 3-0 Messi created tons of chances for his teamates (remember that webm going around here). After that things were different, being away from home made that even worse.

Messi is not the problem, no team can with something with just one player. Whenever Ronaldo played like shit in Real, someone like Bale or Benzema or Marcelo would always bail him out. Same goes for Portugal, Eder and Guedes respectively etc. In Juve he choked hard.

As for Pique winning la liga
>oof
Ask any Barca fan who's the reason they've won shit in the past 2 years (and before).

Queroz is good

RENT FREE

> Ronaldo always gets bailed out
> Messi always surrounded by shitters

What a convenient narrative you pide eating fuck

Messi is now in the hospital with cancer...
happy haters?

lose weight fatass

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i dint want him back,i was happy during the friendlies where dybala and icardi and other young players got to play

now we are back to di maria,a fucker so bad he got changed right away and messi,a guy who only returns because of money(he literally returned the day we got a new tshirt)

buy it good goy

>messi does it all himself
>his team lets him down

???

so how is messi the GOAT if he needs to be managed so closely to perform?

We all depend on him, The NT is a pretty good mirror of how shitty we are as a country and as citizens. Always depending on some miracle, completely disorganized, no plan whatsoever and shit SHIT management that always thinks about the past
There's no future. Messi in spain would probably have 2 WCs now and he'd be the undisputed GOAT. I really don't know how he handles this kind of pressure. He must be depressed as fuck on the court with these 10 undead retards as teammates

>managed so closely

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I find him really brave to actually keep on playing for Argentina. He surely must be really depressed. Pretty sad for him desu

well everyone is implying that argentina and messi are shit because of the manager. but if messi is so good, he shouldn't need a top manager to help him win a copa america. being GOAT means you can do it by yourself. you drag a bunch of shitters to victory. just like cristiano ronaldo has done with portugal time after time.

And just like Zizou in 2006.

I mean he has to, and that's the saddest part. If he gives up he'd be hated until the day he dies. If he keeps trying, just like now, the result is inevitable, which leads to even more hatred
He's condemned to fail with this shitty NT and everything that surrounds him. You think he likes the argentinian culture? he comes here to suffer, with a crew of complete retards that have never done anything of value except the other forwards that are being carried by wonderful european players, and it's fucked up
It's just being real. Messi actually does well in the NT in proportion to his opportunities and what he's been given. If we don't have at least one WC and one copa america is because his forwarders are compelte shit after his assists, and the midfielders have no presence whatsoever. Make no mistake, our NT is mid-tier save for messi and aguero, but we pretend we're god tier and expect to perform as so, which is why we always go with a whimper
If our team embraces its mediocrity and just plays like complete shit trying to score lucky goals with long passes to working middle forwarders, we would have much closer matches

?

bla bla bla, he's not the one analyzing how his opponent team can be tactically countered, he's not the one who decides the formation on the pitch, last night the team was cut in half. lo celso was playing on the right..
stop the meme with ronaldo dragging anything. he needs special third place group and belgium to choke twice allowing shitter football countries to play against portugal in the semis then get bailed out by his teammates in finals.
you should shut the fuck up, I know it's nice to pretend to have an opinion on anything but you just don't watch football.

yes france 2006 had only zizou. lmao fool.

I meant that Zizou carried the team to the final, and then decided he did not want another trophy.

Fernando Santos is a good coach though

>like Ronaldo has done time after time
He didn't even play in the Euro final, and before that he only scored against the powerhouses of Hungary and Wales, woah

oh i see now. messi just doesnt want any more trophies :)

>Zizou carried the team to the final
that was an elite team with many players starters in top european clubs

you cant talk shit about what ronaldo has done when you are comparing him to messi. that little cunt hasn't even sniffed a copa america.

you really lost your cool there at the end of that post, moussa. i watch plenty of football. it's just your opinions are wrong because of your small african brain.

True, but without him the team was absolutely unable to play. Look 2005 before ZZ announced he would come back.

can't wait until missi retires and argentina wins something without the break.

>everything tsu wins is down to luck
lol

Man this is harsh. I hope you guys recover in some way or another, I mean as a country, who cares about football.

with portugal, yes.

so you have no excuse for being retarded? ok

Yeah, it's always someone else

lmao retard, he did play in the euro final and turned up when he was the most needed
then he won the nations league final too, just so retards like you can't parrot how he did not play in the final when in fact he did

It'll never happen. This country has no potential because there's no long term project and no patience. Only lucky strikes and immediate results have historically worked for us, and half of them are product of corruption
Again, not gonna happen. We depend on miracles and mediocrity. People can laugh and talk shit all the want, but sabella's team was the closest we got to a legit team, and he was insulted and mocked as a defensive coach

>muh titles won
I guess Mbappe is better than Messi and Ronaldo because he's won a world cup then ?
Stick to cricket or something.

Maybe it would be different if he ran a bit instead of walking all the fucking time.

People should stop talking about this nation league like this an achievment. Please, it is like the championship of friendlies

>he did play in the euro final and turned up when he was the most needed
He was injured 15 minutes in you subhuman gypsy. Penaldofags outright denying reality now.

>won the nations league final too
literally a competition of friendlies. Not to mention that he was Portugal's worst player in the final.

>with portugal, yes.

either bait, or landed on your head when born

why cant you accept that messi is shit outside of his little barca bubble

lmao@the cope, yes, no one wanted to win it and he did not play against the best teams in yurop. Retards

relax he's just being le jiroo of the team

Running would be pointless. He's not a player that's made to run unless the conditions are strictly met, and that's caused by other talented players. Even if he starts an offense, make no mistake, he's a finisher, he's the one that makes the difference where other average players would just 'contribute'.
This is the argentinian curse. All top argentinian players are golden pieces of gear, which are made to amazingly fit in well organized, well put serious system; that's why they all shine the most in teams where argentinian players are not the majority. You put them all together, under a shit management, and nothing will happen, they will just expect a miracle, which happens sometimes, but you can't depend on those

>easy draws, get carried in finals

>Messi's fault Tevez literally choked a penalty

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Rude

lmao, whatever to downplay him. If portugal wins it is ez draws, yet they beat the team that became world champion 2 years later.

meanwhile in the real world they can't host enough copas for missi to finally luck out one

France 2016 and France 2018 had only 9 players in common. Not really the same team dude.

>Best player in the world playing at home at his absolute peak athleticism and pace
>Gets pocketed by el Cacha Arevalo Rios and Diego Perez, two literal whos
>Disappears
It's his fault they even got to benulties

>Messi is goat he scored against Nigeria in 2014

>It's his fault they even got to benulties

Yes, if not for his sublime assist for Higuain, they wouldn't reach benulties.

>He didn't even play in the Euro final
yes he did

>Still sucking Lionels little cock this hard

Sure showed him by posting that ebin frog haha

Ronaldo is better though

YES SO MUCH THIS

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Do you think if Messi was picking the team he would have continued picking Higuain despite him constantly fucking up?

>but sabella's team was the closest we got to a legit team, and he was insulted and mocked as a defensive coach

Ironically defense is what they're lacking now

Yes? Higuain is his friend; that's the most important thing to him

...

Behave.

look, an argenCHINO finally admitted that second place is considered good for them

What did he so amazing against Colombia? He had 1 good pass who didn't even reach the player and 1 good run that ended in a foul where he should've passed the ball sooner

He was completely mediocre all around

CEBOLLITA SUBCAMPEON

>being this naive
yeah! and america is good at soccer!

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why is this greek dude so invested in actively hating Ronaldo?
it's literally all he does.
did his entire family get raped and killed by burglars who were wearing CR7 masks?

You should try arguing his points seeing as he triggers you so much.

Well, pretty much the only areas of football he doesn't already dominate are goalkeeping and heading. And since he's still only 170cm, I guess he's stuck in his comfort zone.

Argies Absolutely BTFO

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>hungarian madrid customers
>ready to shill for penaldo
>just as much of a faggot as nz or that albanian boomer
can't you be a faggot somewhere else ?

All of them are behind him waiting for something impossible to happen!
No one thinks how to help him or take a good position!
They are all shit players. They’re grown men, professionals and yet like children rely and put everything on one man. Not even Portugal do that. The entire Argentina team do nothing but rely on Messi.
Messi's biggest achievement is probably carrying that country to 3 finals! Have some common sense people before you shit on him.

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Here's a statisticians take

fivethirtyeight.com/features/messi-walks-better-than-most-players-run/

At least he's consistent.

Took those shitters to three finals

Mascherano butthole was responsible for the WC final

Forgot to add Romero's penalty shootout heroics

>armani
>shit
youtube.com/watch?v=4SsJ6QfgkYQ

You're new to AFA, I see.
They're in the "we have to start a new project" phase, the same one from back when Argentina went out in the group stage of the 2002 world cup. This means that a bunch of players from the previous world cup's squad are blacklisted because it's the end of their time (fin de ciclo, as we say) with the national team. It's an exaggerated approach, but one that can be understood in a way.

>on one hand, you're giving a chance to players who need the time with the national team
>you're building up a group for world cup qualifying, so that by the time it starts, you already have a new solid cluster of players who will always be called up until the end of the next world cup

On the other

>AFA literally threw in the towel before this cup. The president, Claudio Tapia, literally told people that they shouldn't expect Argentina to win this cup.
>This tactic of having a new squad works if you have good rising talents, complemented by a good manager. Scaloni does not seem to be a good manager, and it's silly to think that AFA had no choice but to make him the manager. Scaloni had almost no experience as a manager beyond less than a year with the U20s.
>He was literally given the job right after Sampaoli was sacked. None of the managers that AFA wanted were willing to take the job (Simeone, Martino, Pochettino, Gallardo, etc.)
>Supposedly, they didn't even call most of the managers I named
>Gallardo is the obvious choice as far as local league managers go, but he said mean things about AFA, so they didn't call him for being a meanie :(
>back to the original topic, this means that we're just pissing away a copa america, possibly two since there's another one next year

Sad state of affairs for Argentina, really.

>tfw no Based Grondona to name the Jew and put AFA back on the right track

>oy, you don't like that Angelici is the vice president? No problem, he's gone
>I can pay you double what River is paying you, goy, don't worry about where the money comes from

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He IS the NT manager.

>have to start a new project
>only messi, the WEAK MIND and the inevitable NT fuckup is constant

hmmm

>buying into retarded argentine journalism memes (which were made up in response to the team refusing to talk to the press, btw)
lol

>no trophies since 1993 copa america
>AFA is the constant
hmmmm

keep being retarded, it's funny. You have no idea how the national team works if you keep trying to find one person to blame.

Argentina has got to be, even moreso than Belgium, THE most underachieving squad of all time.
There is so much god damn talent on that team, except for the fact that they've always had shit goalkeeping.

cold chest

Making saves against sudaca competition means nothing

Why does the goat always rely on others to score in the big moments? Where are all those 60 goals he scores a season when they need just one? Messi inspires no confidence. He never developed a personality on or off the pitch, no one on the field looks up to him , there's no determination, no heart.

What the fuck happened with southamerica.

lol no

Yes he might have never won anything for his country, yes he might choke when it matters, yes he might not have legendary Champions League moments against teams not named Arsenal or Leverkusen but...

I will never forget that hat-trick, in the middle of March, against Betis Sevile, to put the point gap between Barca and Athletico in 25 points.

Truly the GOAT. Cant wait to see what he will do against Valladolid next season.

Based and Ronaldopilled

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HOES MAD

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All of these a literal facts of reality, yet Penaldo fanatics deny them.

Based. I think this is exactly Messi’s issue. There is no doubt that he is probably the best individual talent alive, but he is not a natural leader and he is psychologically weak - which is terrible when he represents a team as a captain. Any other experienced player in the team should be the captain and carry that symbolical weight. Messi is just incapable of leading and just runs away and says some autistic shit in the face of defeat.

>messi's fault
imagine being this fucking stupid

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Messi literal desperdició la oportunidad de ganar frente a Colombia. No puede culpar a los demás jugadores de los fracasos de ese autista desalmado.