Would a Copa America end the Messi vs Ronaldo debate?

what debate? ronaldo already won the euro

do messhit fanboys genuinely believe this, or... these have to be trolls right?

t. underage

Do penaldo cockgobblers genuinely believe there was ever a debate? Been wondering for years

People still think Messi is a good footballer? He chokes again and again. In ten games against Chelsea he scored 1 goal. That's utterly pathetic. As soon as Xavi and Iniesta were out the picture he failed to perform again and again.
Compare that to Ronaldo who, among other things, did amazingly well with a second grade Portugal side year in year out. There really is no contest.
I don't buy the whole Ronaldo as chad Messi as virgin thing, but Ronaldo is simply better. There is no debate.

it ended when he allowed his team to get beat by Liverpool 4-0

No, not even close.
Ronaldo already has a euro and everyone knows euro>copa america. He also now has a nations league, sonthe debate is over.
In 30 years messi will be remembered as Ronaldos number 2.

Why would it? Why do retards insist the argument about a player's individual talent depends on trophies won in a team sport FFS?

>wc finals is an achievement
Netherlands will love you

NO, BECAUSE INTERNATIONAL FOOTBALL DEPENDS ON HOW GOOD YOUR COMPATRIOTS ARE

PORTUGAL WITHOUT RONALDO HAS A BETTER TEAM THAN ARGENTINA WITHOUT MESSI, OF COURSE THEY WILL WIN STUFF AND ARGENTINA NOT. STOP USING INTERNATIONAL FOOTBALL TO SETTLE SHIT

No one really care about Copa America except for the middle of the pack countries like Chile. Not that long ago Brazil was sending their B Squad there.

based burgers

no

beating brazil in the final at the maracana and scoring the winning goal
that might end it

who cares south america teams are trash

>still implying there is a "debate"
Nobody comes close to Messi. Certainly not Ronaldo

b8

So you are telling me Messi's sucess is only dependent to him being in Barça for 15 years?

>still implying there is a "debate"
Nobody comes close to Ronaldo. Certainly not Messi

>PORTUGAL WITHOUT RONALDO HAS A BETTER TEAM THAN ARGENTINA WITHOUT MESSI

Source?

Messi has more goals against the England top 6 than Ronaldo and he never even played in England.
That's fucking pathetic. Ronaldo isn't player in any way, he's a worse finisher, a worse playmaker, worst passer, etc. The only thing he's better at are headers.

The only reason there is an argument is because Ronaldo has a Euro, in which he only scored against the powerhouses of Hungary and Wales. And he didn't even play in the final.
Ronaldo autists are retarded. Nobody who has seen at least a few games of football in his life can genuinely believe that Ronaldo is a superior player in any sense of the word. He's scored less goals in finals than Messi even, won less titles overall, has worse ratings etc etc. I suspect homosexuality plays a huge part in some people's preferences to Ronaldo, but this is a story for another day.

>Ronaldo isn't player in any way
When Greek autismo rage gets so bad they end up just writing complete nonsense.

There's no debate, Messoy is a system babby that will never ever win anything worth a mention without playing in Barcelona surrounded by world and european champions. This is the real black pill that seething manlet worshippers will never swallow.

Ronaldo is the undisputed GOAT and one of the greatest athletes of all time.

>isn't a better player
also, not an argument

you are portugese, and so biased, but in this instance you are also 100% correct.

My advice for you is as follows
>Step 1
Make sure your post makes sense in English, and isn't just nonsensical autistic rage. A key point to this step is not saying things like "Ronaldo isn't player in any way."
>Step 2
Make sure your opinions on the topic are sensible and backed up by facts. In this case, that involves accepting that Ronaldo is far better than Messi.

Argentina has had a way better team than Portugal for years. Without Ronaldo, its shit. Without Messi, Argentina is decent and has good defenders, mids, wingers, strikers, etc.

Up until 3-4 years ago it wasn't even a debate. It was Messis talent>Ronaldos talent+dedication+marketing combined. But now I think that Messi is basically a just another once in 20 years talent like Dinho. Still great to witness, but we'll probably never see an absolute madman like Ronaldo ever again. He was always elite, but his dedication fuelled by narcissism is something pace niggers and zoomers simply don't have and it's what made him better and better every year.

exactly

I mean before Ronaldo's 4 CL titles and Euros you could've argued Messi was better, but he has had the greatest 6 years' run in sports history, while Messi constantly choked in the champions and playing for his national team.

Kek

unironically this, except the last part

based

Exactly this.

No. Copa America is a 3rd rate competition behind the Euros and World cup

>what are context clues
c'mon based retard, surely your brain didn't stop functioning because he forgot to type one word. You can clearly see that he means ronaldo is not a better player than Messi.
>Ronaldo only scored against Wales and Hungary in the finals and was injured after half an hour and had to be taken off
>Thinking this has anything to do with eder's 109th minute winner
>Messi has more goals than ronaldo vs top 6 in epl despite having never played in the league
These are all facts BTW....
Now where's your actual argument?

> b-but messoy won the world cup final participation trophy
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAAHA

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Notice how it's always sophisticated high iq posters supporting Ronaldo.

Argentina is the better team in almost every position

>yank thinks that Messi is better
doesn't surprise me. I imagine I'd make similar misjudgements if I tried to understand American sports.

>Messi is just another once in 20 years talent like dinho
You people don't watch the games and see that he's trying to do the work of himself as well as Xavi and Iniesta because this team has become so dependent on him and you can't really blame them for that. This led to him having the most goals AND assists this season. Meanwhile ronaldo was 5th in serie a goal scoring charts and had the worst freekick record.......

Can't argue with that.

This. Portugal literally have 4 Wolves players in their core team. Still do great though thanks to the genius of Ronaldo.

You speak as if wolves are shit.

>paki thinks ronaldo is better
Not surprising.

No, the Euros is a harder competition to win.

Why is it a joke?
It's a competition where the very best teams face each other.

Any of the final four teams would easily reach Copa America final if not win it.

GK? No.
Defenders? No
Midfield? No
Only really the forwards for Argentina that are better.

>and a WC final
ahahahahahahahahahhahaahahhaahahahahahahahhaha no that's not how it works, you either win or you don't

youtu.be/kSvxpfhD3NQ

which team is better overall?
>Patricio, Semedo, Fonte, Ruben Dias, Guerreiro, Danilo, Carvalho, Bruno Fernandes, Bernardo Silva, Guedes, Ronaldo

Armani, Saravia , Pezzella, Otamendi, Tagloafico; Lo Celso, Rodriguez, Paredes; Messi, Agüero, Di Maria

No because grown men who argue about the success of 2 other men on a mongolian fishing website clearly have something mentally wrong with them. The debate will never be over until these people get the help they need to fix their deep rooted problems.

>Any of the final four teams would easily reach Copa America final if not win it.
lmao. portugal were beatan by uruguay at the last world cup. england struggled against colombia. netherlands didn't even qualify and switzerland are diabolical shit.

Wolves regularly dick top six teams

I take back calling you based, you're just retarded

>Nations League is a joke tournament
England had to beat Croatia and Spain to get to the semis, Netherlands had to beat France and Germany, Portugal had to beat Poland and Italy, Switzerland had to beat Belgium
It's way more competitive than Copa Memerica where you face off against the mighty Bolivia and Qatar

Fucking tragic seeing England fans trying to big up this joke of a competition.

>gets dunked on
>"y....you're a retard"
terrible comeback. Try again.

>Portugal had to beat Poland and Italy
fucking kek.

we didn't even win it you spastic so there's no reason to big it up
the simple fact is that it's harder to beat those teams than it is the shitters that make up 70% of the copa america

Stop embarrassing yourself, Sadiq.

Poland and Italy > Peru, Venezuela, Bolivia, Paraguay, Qatar, Ecaudor

>he has to resort to strawman arguments now
I'm still waiting for your argument la..........

Clearly not as evident by Portugal this year.

Two shit European teams are still better than half of the Copa America teams

And how many of those shit teams in the CA will the winner have to play? You don't even understand how the competition format works, you fuckwit.

At least three or four, look at the absolute fucking state of Group A

>At least three or four
For Brazil, not in the other groups. Idiot

The other two groups will both play two shit teams

Problem with the Nations League is that the League A groups will now get weaker and weaker as the 2nd-tier teams get promoted. within the next two editions you could have a situation where the likes of Scotland, Ukraine, Norway or Bosnia are at the top.

Say it in greek now

Not really, it will alternate between League A being strong one year and shit the next with some teams (Iceland, Poland) getting cycled out for good.

If Argentina finish top they will likely play one of Uruguay or Chile. Stop posting bollocks, you dumb cunt.

So, Ronaldo played in what "bad" team? surroinded by "bad" players

>PORTUGAL WITHOUT RONALDO HAS A BETTER TEAM THAN ARGENTINA WITHOUT MESSI, OF COURSE THEY WILL WIN STUFF AND ARGENTINA NOT.
lmao >we won the grand total of 0 international trophies before 2016, we now have 2

Germany and Croatia will come straight back up, I could see Poland and Iceland getting replaced by Denmark and Sweden though

>Not really
Yes really. Do you even understand how the format works? Do you understand that teams get promoted?

No.
CR won the Euro and the Nations League.
Messi needs to win this Copa in Brazil and the next one in Argentina in 2020.

Yeah but it doesn't matter because next time around, Germany and Croatia will come straight back up and Ukraine and Bosnia will go right back where they belong

The teams coming up will be Pot 3 teams so they'll all likely come last and the teams relegated this year will come back up, so that user is right

>Germany and Croatia will come straight back up
Maybe, maybe not, but if they do they do so with two other shit teams

Of course it matters, you silly cunt. There's no guarantees. The format allows for teams with just seven points to get promoted. It's entirely possible.

FFS it's like you don't understand words.

I always pick the side with the best memes and that's a fight Ronaldo wins easily

B A S E D

>Of course it matters, you silly cunt. There's no guarantees. The format allows for teams with just seven points to get promoted. It's entirely possible.
Holy shit if you can't win your group in League B with fucking retards like Scotland and Finland then you don't deserve to be in League A

>Maybe, maybe not, but if they do they do so with two other shit teams
And the four shit teams promoted this time will most likely go straight back down

Well done. Now you get it. Hard work you wogs.

>most likely
Says fucking who?
What was the likelihood of Netherlands and the Swiss topping their group? Or even us?

Also, those four shit teams could well be replaced by other shit teams. Do you understand that?

They are worse than PSG, Barcelona, United. City, Juventus, Napoli, Real and whatever else club Messis Argentinian compatriots play at. Yet! Messoy still chokes

so true

>Ronaldo is the undisputed GOAT
Except it is disputed, in this very thread and elsewhere.
Stop using words you don't understand, Moor.

You beat us when we sent the A squad :(

>I mean before Ronaldo's 4 CL titles and Euros you could've argued Messi was better
Ah yes, it's the third-world shitcunts that thinks individual talent is determined by trophies won.

only now in 2019 is portugal's squad becoming better than argentina's with players like bernardo, fernandes, cancelo, neves, guedes, etc. portugal in the last decade only had ronaldo and pepe.

No, it was your B squad although to be fair we were also missing a good chunk of our key players.

>portugal in the last decade only had ronaldo and pepe.
And Carvalho, Bruno Alves, Deco, Meireles, Simao, Moutinho, Patricio, Nani, Veloso.
You thick cunt.

yeah those are some absolutely amazing players let me tell you man

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I think there was a debate until about 2010 and then Messi had that one year that destroyed Ronaldo so hard he stopped being a complete player and resorted to tap ins which is the only way he could keep up in goal count. I believe that was the year of the "53 goal race" or something. Afterwards Ronaldo was never the same, and no amount of trophies can take him above players like Messi Maradona Cruyff and such. The GOATs aren't goal babbys. They can move the game, pass, make plays, dribble, draw markers, have the vision, and if needed - score. The problem with Messi is that he scores so much that it overshadows the rest of his game and no one gives other players shit for missing 8 balls provided by him (for example) against Liverpool.

Are you saying Deco and Carvalho aren't two of the best players in football in their respective positions, you fucking idiot?

Claiming Portugal have only had Ronaldo and Pepe in the last decade, ignoring the quality players they're had in that time really does confirm the idea Yanks know fuck all about football.

You don't really think Christiano is better do you? You do it for the banter and the general lulz, right?

And what if people do? What are you going to do to convince them otherwise?

deco played 1 group stage game in 2010, and only played in the 2008 euro before that, so no, he wasn't playing for them in any meaningful capacity in the last decade.
don't @ me again virgin

You said in the last decade. Deco played for Portugal in the last decade. Don't start shifting the goalposts just because your ignorance has been exposed, fat lad.

Basiert und rotgepillt

this is why americoons need banning from football threads on Yea Forums

T fanbOi_ CR7

Good post.

messi is obviously a better player. he just plays on worse teams

They're playing again next year?

Cringe mutt.

>one trophy and a participation award is better than two trophies

Bro, England IS a third-world country

Imagine thinking this.

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Case closed, surely.

damn FUCK Meshit

You have to be literally braindead to use international football as the measurement of who the better player is

>Yeah sorry, to be the best player in the world you have to not only be from a handful of countries that are good enough to win international titles but also be born within a generation of other players from your country who are good enough to form a team that can win

>t. Zlatan

No because there is no debate, even if you look at the argument that most brainlets use to justify why Ronaldo is better Messi still comes up on top.

If this garbage team wins then yes

Gå och lägg dig

>the team funnels goals into Ronaldo else they never play again
who cares

Fuck off retard.

We wasted Ronaldo’s prime. Look at this shit. He was injured in 2014, and he couldn’t count on his teammates to beat the burgers. Pic related feels like a horror show

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>you have to not only be from a handful of countries that are good enough to win international titles
Yeah, it's stupid, especially since Ronaldo is not from such a country
Oh wait they started winning international titles with him, meanwhile Argentina got worse with Messi

>meanwhile Argentina got worse with Messi
They've been to a WC final and three Copa finals with him. WTF are you talking about, dickhead?

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>They've been to a WC final
They were to two WC finals in the 5 WCs before Messi, and unlike with Messi, they won one of them
>three Copa finals
Yeah, because it's so hard to get often to the finals of a yearly tournament with like 3 good teams. It's actually an achievement that they never won it, because even by chance they should have given their level compared to the other SA teams

Ronaldo went to three different teams and won shit. Messi needs an entire world class team crafted around him to win la liga

So 3 different world class teams is so different from 1?

>They were to two WC finals in the 5 WCs before Messi,
FFS how far back are you going, you demented cunt? Look at Argentina immediately before Messi cam along, you know when they were going out of the 2002 WC in the group stage.

>Yeah, because it's so hard to get often to the finals of a yearly tournament with like 3 good teams.
So why didn't Argentina reach the final of the Copa in every edition before he was a regular in the national team?

Claiming Argentina have gotten worse with Messi is exactly the sort of dumb ignorant shit one expects from divvy wogs like you. Utterly fucking clueless.

>And he didn't even play in the final.
Opinion immediately discarded. He played 25 minutes (nearly 33% of an entire match) before being deliberately taken out by a “French” thug
He started, that means he played in the final. It not like he wasn’t in the squad on match day like you faggots like to pretend

>25 minutes of 120 minutes played is a third
kill yourself, retard

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Portugal and Spain should have been invited to copa america to end all memes.
Too bad they went for the oil money.

we beat Portugal A team in the confederation cup

I don't think UEFA would allow it.

>nearly 33% of an entire match
A regulation match is 90 minutes Muhammad, extra time doesn’t count as part of that statistic
Extra time has its own goddamn rule set even. Facts are thus, Ronaldo played nearly 33% of a match. Extra time doesn’t effect that stat

But they didn't play 90 minutes, you fucking dumb ape. They played 120 minutes. The game went into extra time so he didn't play a third of a match.

>regulation
This isn't America, you shitskin Maori freak.

>Says the messoy shit eater
Your daddy lost against Colombia AHAHAHA

He played a third of A match not THE match you goatfucker

>penalties
>win

But not THE match. The match was 120 minutes long. You're argument is fucking diabolical

Ronaldo’s teams have never been built around him to suite him. Barca is built for Messoy

>Ronaldo’s teams have never been built around him to suite him.
Real Madrid was. FFS Even this Juve is being moulded around him which is why Dybala is being pushed out.

Sure
Brazil, Argentina and Uruguay would be destroyed by football powerhouses like Portugal and Switzerland

no.
Portugal had never won anything.
after TSU, they have two international trophies.
Argentina were perennial winners.
after Messi, they're not.
that's all you need to know.

>Argentina were perennial winners.
They've not won anything since the 1993 Copa. That was 12 years before Messi made his debut. Remind me what they won in those 12 years, shitskin.

Also
>counting the nations league.
FFS you may as well add Messi's Olympic medal.

ChadRonaldo = 1 European Championship and 1 League of European Nations
The Virgin Fressi = eternal runner-up with niggertina

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Messi is better but I would rather have Ronaldo in my team

There's no comparison.
Portugal are rarely ever expected to win anything.
Argentina are traditionally expected to win the Copa America (14 times) and are usually among the favourite teams to win the World Cup (won it twice, runners-up three times).
It's obvious that helping Portugal to win any title (0 before Ronaldo, 1 final and two trophies since he became part of the team) is more impressive than barely winning ANY title with a national team that is expected to always contend for big titles.
You're just being disingenuous and you know it.
Even if Argentina did win a measly Copa America, this generation and Messi will still have underperformed compared to about 85% of Argentinian national football generations.

Also, they might not have won anything since 1993, but they sure have been in at least one World Cup final and 5 Copa America finals.
So they still are a powerhouse in their own continent, they just don't seem to be able to convert in finals.

>You're just being disingenuous and you know it.
You're the stupid cunt that thinks Argentina were "perennial winners", but doesn't understand what perennial means.

>Argentina are traditionally expected to win the Copa America
Since they won it in 1959, they have only one it twice since - 1991 and 1993. They are not "perennial winners"

>Messi will still have underperformed compared to about 85% of Argentinian national football generations.
Where's this 85% come from, you insidious shitskin?

>but they sure have been in at least one World Cup final and 5 Copa America finals.
Yes and Messi was involved in that WC final and three of the Copa finals, you dumb fuck.

Cristiano God Ronaldo>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Virgin Lionel Fresssi

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_career_achievements_by_Cristiano_Ronaldo

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My argument isn't about Ronaldo vs. Messi, shitskin.

>the Anglo who defends those who try to rob Falkland Islands

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It's simply pointing out the stupid cunt's flaw in his argument.

>Yes and Messi was involved in that WC final and three of the Copa finals, you dumb fuck.
Exactly, and he lost them all.
All of them.
He didn't win a single one.
kek

"he played all these finals and lost them all".
amazing pro-Messi argument.
I know, how cucked can you be.

And yet the Argentina before he arrived was a utter fucking joke for over a decade yet you seem to think they were better before, you stupid wog.

The problem with shitskins like you is that you're so emotionally invested in your hatred of Messi that you're incapable of logic or objective argument. Everything just revolves around how you can twist things to justify your disdain.

Ronaldo was subbed out at around 10 or so minutes wasn't he? He got injured by the Payet around 8 or so.

25. Although he did FA in those 25. He may as well have gone off at 10.

just admit that Ronaldo helped Portugal in a way Messi couldn't help Argentina.
it won't kill you.
you can still argue Messi plays better football.

how can anyone dispute Messi is the best ever?

all Ronaldo is, is Pippo Inzaghi 2.0. he does not have the talent of Messi.

Luca Toni has a world cup for Italy, is he better than Ronaldo?

I was never disputing that. I was disputing the bollocks you posted claiming that Argentina were "perennial winners" before Messi when they objectively were not.

How do i get hair like messi?

>all Ronaldo is, is Pippo Inzaghi 2.0. he does not have the talent of Messi.
show me an objective measure of talent.

no.
but we're not comparing Luca Toni to Ronaldo, we're comparing two players who are considered the greatest of their time, with 5 ballons d'or each.
and we're comparing their achievements in the national teams.
I thought that was clear?

But Toni has a World Cup.

I thought trophies = better player?

Nice try mutt proxy.

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>I thought that was clear?
lmao. Says the dumb shitskin who thinks Argentina are "perennial winners".

nice bit of sophistry there.
but as I told you, we're not comparing apples and oranges here, nor are we comparing a good apple to a worse apple.
we're comparing players with comparable achievements, who are - so to speak - at roughly the same level.
Toni and Ronaldo are not at the same level because Ronaldo has many more achievements, so there's no need to break the tie.
and here's where objective data is needed: who won this, who won that, who won more of this and who won more of that.
in terms of international football, and taking into account the relative historical importance of the two teams, Ronaldo has achieved a lot more than Messi in this specific context.
but if you're one of those people who thinks numbers and statistics don't matter, then there's no point talking to you.
subjective opinions are very nice, but they're not etched in the record books.
there's no trophy for "talent", whoever you might think has more or less of it.
so go ahead and keep arguing that Messi is "more talented": he might very well be, but it's an opinion that is as valid as saying the opposite - that Ronaldo is in fact much more talented.
in other words, it's worth jack shit.

if you dislike the words "perennial" and "winners" so much, then use any words you like, as long as they describe a national team that has won two World Cups, 14 Copa Americas and has been in an additional 3 World Cup finals and 14 other Copa America finals (if I'm not mistaken, and 4 of which in the last 15 years).
and yes, as you said, they have also won the Olympics, twice.
perhaps I wasn't precise enough for your taste, so let's just use "consistent" and "contenders".
but please, continue to argue that they're just minnows like Liechtenstein and that they're never expected to win anything.
you can also pretend that being in a team that is expected to win international trophies (whether it's Brazil, Argentina, france, etc) is not at all useful for players who want to be considered the greatest ever (Pelé, Maradona), since they will always have a chance of winning trophies that minnows like Portugal could only dream of.
pretend that you wouldn't call Messi greater than Ronaldo if he happened to win a World Cup.
fuck off.

>perhaps I wasn't precise enough for your taste
You're just incorrect and fucking thick as shit, completely ignoring facts and manipulating an argument to support your intense hatred of a person because you cannot argue in good faith, you dishonest shitskin.

nice ad hominem there.
and an accusatory inversion to boot (I actually prefer Messi as a footballer, and at no point did I even mention hating the guy, so you're embarrassing yourself even further).
but you do seem to have an issue with Ronaldo.
if there's a manipulator here it's you, and you know it.

>but you do seem to have an issue with Ronaldo.
And yet not once have I mentioned him in the argument with you, you lying wog snake, so how have you come to that conclusion?

>if there's a manipulator here it's you, and you know it.
You're the odious cunt using sophistry then accusing others. You're the one manipulating facts and ignoring Argentina's poor international showing in the decade prior to Messi's debut then trying to argue that because they won 2 WCs before he was even born somehow this supports your piss weak argument. And you're the one who claimed Argentina are "perennial winners" when the objectively are not.
Try suicide, lad. Do society a favour.

>completely ignoring facts and manipulating an argument to support your intense hatred of a person because you cannot argue in good faith
the facts show it Ronaldo has more titles than Messi also Ronaldo wins with his country Portugal Messi with Argentina is always sad and is runner-up
you are the one who must understand reality and leave your obsession with messi open your eyes Anglo-shit

Well done on not only being so retarded you don't know how to quote properly, but also failing to understand that my argument against the Moor cunt has nothing to do with Ronaldo vs. Messi, hence why I have not mentioned Ronaldo, you donkey-fucking wog.

Wasn't Uruguay defeated only by France ? Losing to the champions ain't a bad way to go. Portugal also almost won too if I remember right. They were kinda unlucky

>wc final over a euro
Ayy

>holds the euro championship
Lol

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>Portugal also almost won too if I remember right. They were kinda unlucky
no they weren't they were utterly shit against uruguay

they didn't win the euro championship this year

There is no debate between those two. Messi is easily the third or fourth best player of all time, while Cristiano can barely make a case for top 10.

Autistic lol

Don't be silly.

Retarded lol

>And yet not once have I mentioned him in the argument with you, you lying wog snake, so how have you come to that conclusion?
Again with the ad hominem.
I'll explain: because you were accusing me of hating Messi without me ever mentioning hatred for the guy.
You did that from the outset, and it's a typical tactic used by those who are intellectually dishonest or arguing from a place of anger.
It makes sense, since there's no apparent reason for a Brit to defend Messi with so much vitriol, unless it's to reverse the accusation and target the real tormentor living rent free in your head, Ronaldo.
I tried to meet you halfway by dismissing "perennial winners" and using "consistent contenders".
but you weren't even willing to meet me halfway, even when I admitted I could be more precise, because you're not here to discuss this matter, you just want to insult people (the examples are too many to mention) and be a troll.
now that you're left without arguments, since I told you I actually prefer Messi as a footballer, all you can do is go for the ad hominem.
even if you argue that Argentina are weak now, more often than not they have been historically way better than Portugal.
the difference is not even the "rest of the team": we had better teams before Ronaldo and didn't manage to win anything, and Argentina have had worse line-ups than now and they're still not winning.
it's undeniable that Ronaldo has given a bit of an aura to the Portuguese team that Messi hasn't been able to pass on to the Argentinian team.
once again, it's ok to admit this fact and still despise Ronaldo and worship Messi.

I'm not defending Messi, I'm pointing out your fucking diabolical claim that Argentina are "perennial winners" and explaining why it's a shit argument, you pathetic third-world turd.

ok, now I clearly see you're dishonest.
I'm done with you.

Testinho

You can keep saying that and doing so without explanation just makes you look even more of a fucking dumb cunt that you've already presented yourself as.
You clearly struggle with words so why even bother on an English--language board?

>no Biglia
>no Zabaleta
>no Garay
>no Demichelis
>no Federico Fernandez
>no Palacio
>no Dybala
>wasting Messi’s last years before decline to play alongside shitters from Segunda-tier teams
What do Argie retards mean by this? OOGA players from Europe are unmotivated and not hungry enough? Their players have all of their basic needs satisfied for life, don’t Sudaca people have a sense of self-esteem and national pride?

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>muy “he’s better because I’ve seen it” debate
cringe

You gotta calm the fuck down mate. Did ronaldo steal your dick?

>it's undeniable that Ronaldo has given a bit of an aura to the Portuguese team that Messi hasn't been able to pass on to the Argentinian team.
nonsense.
it's because of messi that argentina are actually a relevant international side in contention for trophies. he's the reason they've reached a world cup final and at least two of the three copa america finals he's played in. maybe if messi had an eder or guedes he'd have something to celebrate too.

>Messi has more goals against the England top 6 than Ronaldo
No he doesn't. Stop repeating this myth. Messi has a better Top 6 goal/game ratio, but not more goals.

What has Ronaldo got to do with anything I have posted, huehue?

well boo-hoo.
I feel so sorry for Messi and Argentina.
if only they had an Eder or a Guedes.
please, listen to yourself.
also, try to listen to what the players in the Portuguese team say about Ronaldo and the spirit he brings to the team.
as I said, its still ok to prefer Messi, to think he's better, whatever, but he clearly doesn't have Ronaldo's leadership skills.
they're different players with different qualities.
trying to argue that anything one does the other can also do (and even better) is pathetic.

>also, try to listen to what the players in the Portuguese team say about Ronaldo and the spirit he brings to the team.
i don't care about what they say. i didn't make any comment about what ronaldo does, nor did i say anything contrary to what you claim about him, but you saying messi hasn't been able to pass on an aura to the argentinian team is clearly just wrong. you only just need look at them in 2014 wc and 2016 copa to see how he can lift the team and drive them forward.

maybe the bong is right and you cannot looks at things objectively because of your hate for messi. sad, but you might grow out of it one day fren.

You're wasting your time with this Moor shitskin. He's genuinely thick as shit and doesn't understand words.

they’re completely different style footballers that have had different roles in their teams, the whole debate is just a comparison of stats and honours that aren’t completely determined by their abilities in the first place

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>defending argies
>attacking Portugal
Hello al-fonso

Fuck off, paki.

Ah yes. The better club argument. Because Higuain and Morata are so much better than Vardy.

Ronaldo is 50% marketing. Pure talent wise he's vastly inferior to Messi, I don't think even his most rampant fanboys deny that.
He's also an objectively worse person, regularly exhibiting personality traits more fitting to drugged up entertainers like Britney Spears and Paris Hilton.
What many people argue is that contrary to Messi, he's there when the team needs him. Which is also a lie, since he's lost more titles than Messi (in all competitions). In all 4 of Real Madrid's CL victories, he was influential in just 1. In the Euro final he didn't play, not to mention that the teams he scored against were garbage.
In the World cup, he's never gone further than Messi (excluding 2006).
Yet he's won more "important" titles (people conveniently forget that Messi didn't let him win shit at Spain but whatever). Why is that? Because Ronaldo plays smaller roles in his team. Post 2011, his role is just to score, if he doesn't somebody else will. Messi on the other hand is responsible of both creating and executing, even if he plays his role as a playmaker well though its not up to him to score. And if he doesn't do that either, game over.
A team can survive without Ronaldo, a team can't suri without Messi. Hell, Ronaldo made Juve worse.

messi vs ronaldo "debate" is a marketing meme created by florentino's madrid since messi became the best active player, to try and win more shekels with their fraud superstar
look at the stats
look at the fucking games they play in, and their roles
there's plenty of s o ypeople buying into the marketing meme still in 2019, literally 10 years later
no one with a minimal knowledge about football has a doubt
and in Yea Forums is either trolling or truly retarded people, but according to poe's law, we can't spot who's joking and following along in the meme train and who's truly a fucking normie that buys into marketing memes

Nigga la liga is fucking irrelevant,who gives a fuck if he statpads against Huesca and Espanyol when in the CL he keeps folding

They did shit themselves against Bravo of all people

He jobbed against Barca in la liga. Or was that irrelevant too?
Penaldo cockgobblers really are retarded.

I dont give a fuck about the Ronaldo vs Messi debate but this thread is hilarious.

So many Messisoibois crying because their hero blew it once again.

Again, I dont have a dog in this fight, but Ronaldo seems to get it done when it counts and Messi just seems like a stat padder with zero clutch.

Didn't realise they handed out trophies for finishing 2nd

Maybe. On the other hand, if messhit STILL cant win the cup ronaldo is confirmed better forever

OH NO NO NO
RONALDO MAKING FUN OF ARGIES
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Based

yes it will be ended but probably not the way that messoy fags intended lmao

you forget about expectations AND the team's histories.
if you had player A contending for greatest of his generation in a team like Real Madrid and player B, a rival contending for greatest of his generation in a team like Monaco, and it was Monaco (and not Real Madrid) who won a big title, whose effort would be better, not just in absolute terms but also in terms of expectations?
is it a greater accomplishment to win a scudetto with Napoli (like Maradona did) or Juventus?

this.
last time a south-american team won the world cup was in 2002.
Portugal has to contend with every World Cup winner for the past 13 years.
Argentina have to contend with the worst Brazil sides of all time and still can't get it done.
If Argentina win Copa America, they're doing nothing but their obligation.
Portugal winning the Euro is beyond all obligation and expectation.
So even if Messi wins the Copa America, this achievement still pales in comparison to Portugal winning their first Euro in Paris against France, who are now world champions.

It means so much to him.

nothing but love for Argentina.
also, tapping that half-Argentinian ass.
Messi fanboys with no arguments and SEETHING.

this pathetic cope. lmao