You guys have no idea of how much I will enjoy to see this scene again

Ronaldo didnt play vs Haiti or Nicaragua

Ronaldo: Euro and NL winner

Messi: Scored a hat trick against 10 man Haiti

>Champions League, where he was highest scorer this season and had twice as many goals as Ronnie, isn't relevant
Tell us more

Those stats are from club games only, retard

>Ronaldo is better than Messi because Eder and Guedes scored in the finals
The kind of insight you can only get from an American

my little baby

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add the 4-0 to this

These dreams go on when i close my eyes

>0 cups

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so much need to be added
vomit for example still missing

>Lost 1 WC final and 3 CA finals

Does he have the worst record of any GOAT candidate? Not counting ones who were born in countries who never had a chance.

you're the kind of guy who enjoy posting porn on sfw board and to spoil films and series. only mentally challenged people hate messi the goat.

why people compare this midget to fucking pelé? jesus

>Why do people use individual skill and not team accomplishments when rating individual skill
It's a mystery

twain is such a mentally ill faggot. Some might be more autistic but he sure is the most insane of them all. he won't ever stop

>Messi is not to blame because he didn't show up, it's all Higuain's fault!

>individual skill
>doesn’t score in 3 separate finals
>doesnt score past knockout stages internationally
>doesn’t score outside of his own stadium in CL knockout stages
>gets absolutely worshipped after putting 3 past betis
LMAO

>champions league
The one Ronaldo has won 5 of and is the top goalscorer and assister of all time?
>finals
Messi played 4 finals, and scored in none of them. Cant claim GOAT with that record, no matter who else you want to blame.
Missi won a Copa San Juan, a prestigious one match cup against the powerhouse of Nicaragua, tho.

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yeah beacuse pelé was nothing but a shit player
and fuck you, players are remembered by their titles

>individual skill
>Ronaldo who is """"""skilless"""""" has a better history career than muh talented midget
Ronaldo is the main character of Football

When Messi doesn't show up, Argentina lose. When Ronnie doesn't show up, Portugal wins. Weird how nobody gives Ronnie shit for not showing up, right?

>gets absolutely worshipped after putting 3 past betis
This was so cringy and hilarious at the same time

So Messi never shows up, since Argentina hasnt won a single trophy in his years.
What a fraud.

No no you got it wrong

When Ronaldo scores and team still lose you say he should score more

When Messi scores and team loses you say the team is absolute shit.

You always blame literally everyone fucking else but Messi.

do you think anfield broke messi? he hasn't been the same since

How much does it make you seethe that every new and explosive upcoming talent gets called the new messi and cristiano is never even mentioned in the same sentence.

because no one can ever replicate tsu
fast manlet dribblers are a dime a dozen

>that every new and explosive upcoming talent gets called the new messi and cristiano is never even mentioned in the same sentence.
>then to become a flop just like Messi
Mbappe won with his country. What about Messi?

it doesn't, riciardo santos delahoya. ronaldo is shit compared to messi, really, but both are overrated garbage

I have seen this question posted after so many matches.
He is mentally broken since forever, he is a mental midget, a system babby and a perennial choker.

Did Maradona or Pele ever choke so hard?

Exactly this.
Any retarded dribble drobbler can be Messi, to be the next Cristiano you need to be put to the test and come out on top of the challenge, for many, many years.

Remind me of how many international finals Ronnie has scored in. He literally watched Portugal win the final from the bench at the Euros yet gets credit for it for being a literal cheerleader from the sidelines

>and fuck you, players are remembered by their titles
Only by subhumans like you who rate how good a player is by how many titles their teams win

Juventus gameplan is to do nothing but to cross the ball to Ronnie so he can score headers. Messi is the only source of both goals and creativity in Barca, so good teams just surround him and watch Barcas incompetent defense let 3 and 4 goals through. You're literally calling Messi shit because he doesn't pull fullback duties on top of being the only person who scores goals and creates chances on the team.

people give liverpoo too much credit, but in reality it was >us who broke the turbo gnome

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usually he comes back strong but Barca botched the CdR final.
maybe this tourney will get him back on track and he can move on

vini is new pelé, what you have to say about it?

based Carriednaldo

2004: choked to greece at the euro
2006: choked to france at the WC
2007: choked in the CL second leg against milan
2008: choked to germany at the euro
2008: missed his penalty, got bailed out by Terry slipping
2009: choked in the CL final while Messi scored
2010: choked to spain at the WC
2010: eliminated in the ro16 by lyon in the CL
2011: choked in the CL semifinal against Messi who scored twice
2012: missed his penalty in the penalty shootout of the CL semifinal
2012: choked to spain at the Euro
2013: choked in the CL second leg against dortmund
2014: choked against germany and the usa in the groupstage of the WC, got eliminated in the groupstage
2014: got bailed out in the CL by ramos
2016: choked in the final of the CL, got bailed out by ramos
2016: on the bench in the euro final, got bailed out by Eder
2017: choked in the fifa confederation cup against chile
2018: choked in the final, got bailed out by benzema and bale
2018: choked to uruguay at the WC
2019: choked in the final, got bailed out by Guedes

>Only by subhumans like you who rate how good a player is by how many titles their teams win

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>Remind me of how many international finals Ronnie has scored in. He literally watched Portugal win the final from the bench at the Euros yet gets credit for it for being a literal cheerleader from the sidelines
Football is a team sport, isnt that the narrativre when Messi loses? Yes, its a sport in which Ronaldo has more. Influence than Messi, thus being better.

Ronnie is a ghost, he is not influential enough to affect the way his team plays when he is a ghost

So the answer is 0 goals in international finals, yet he's better than Messi because he gets carried by literal whos like Eder and Guedes. Great argument.

>choked to spain at the Euro
To be fair Portugal was robbed.

you’re in for a real shock if you think messi’s 4(FOUR) silver medals won’t affect his legacy in the future. as time goes on people will just say he was playing against shit defenders and he couldn’t hack it on the biggest stage. there’s a reason why people still say pele and maradona are the best

want me to include the refball so this list quadruples?

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So Messi is better because he doesnt score and his team loses.
Fantastic rethoric.

2 intl trophies and zero goals looks a lot better than any amount of goals and no trophies

one simply needs eyes to see that messi is better

Can you also include France's dirty work too please?

>International football
>Biggest stage
International football is nowhere near the biggest stage when you have superstars mixed with literally who players who have very little time to build chemistry together

Nope, Messi is better because he's the best goalscorer, dribbler and playmaker in the world. Having the same individual performances as Ronnie does in international finals yet Ronnie gets carried by Eder and Guedes does nothing to change that.

appart from the henry hand, we're innocent

this
today, if someone who has never heard about ronaldo and does not know what years he performed and sees his videos, will say defenders were shit

Kek
Well you're not as bad as the retarded burger and the dirty Muhammad

>International football is nowhere near the biggest stage when you have superstars mixed with literally who players who have very little time to build chemistry together
Are you retarded? International competitions have more audience than club ones. It is the bigger stage. The whole world is literally looking. Fucking christ

Why are you even arguing with these retards? they already know Messi is better, they're just bating you. That or they just watch highlights instead of watching the games.

maradona>pele>>>>>POWERGAP>>>>>messi btw

>That or they just watch highlights instead of watching the games.
you just described the average messi fan

>That or they just watch highlights instead of watching the games.
Isn't that what Messi fans do?

Powergap should be higher famalam

Remember when Ronaldo fans used to argue that Ronnie is a better footballer than Messi in all aspects, then they had to change their argument to "the only thing that matters is scoring goals!!!" and now Messi has scored more club goals than Ronnie across their entire careers despite Messi being two years younger

Anyone who thinks Ronaldo is better than Messi is a classified retard

>murican makes a good post
Ronaldo is not even top 5 in the world right now.

Oh, so he is better because u think he is, not because his abilities help his team win things, the point of the whole sport.
Ok, gotcha.

Who is in the top 5?

Ronaldo plays in a proper league by the way
meanwhile Messi is still a one club cuck in his safespace winning la liga, the worst league in europe

Messi has won more trophies than Ronaldo, dipshit. And yes, Messi is better at Ronaldo because he is better at scoring goals, dribbling and assisting/creating plays. The only things Ronaldo is better than Messi at is headers and penalties

If we're using your logic then Ramos is a better player than Ronaldo because he doesn't choke in finals and is a much better leader for his teams than Ronnie is, and there's zero proof that Ronnies cheerleading made Portugal win the Euros.

What are Messi apologists thoughts on this shot?
Because if this is is a difficult shot for him, he is not the GOAT under any standard. And if this is am easy shot he choked big time. So what is it?

test

All trophies are not worth the same.
He maybe has more mickey mouse trophies, but in CL is 5>3 and NT is 2>0 which is the only measure that counts.

would you rather
>have a cringy statpader who taps it in every time and wins you NT trophies
or
>have a GOAT player in every aspect who's a mental midget and chokes all NT finals
choose wisely spee

>Lionel Messi and co. are looking to win the competition for the first time since 1993, having lost four of the past five finals.

Ronaldo isn't a midget

>better at scoring goals, dribbling and assisting/creating plays.
But he has less relevant titles despite all that. Why can't he do that against good teams?

Who are those players? Romessi and Menaldo?

Messi has won 4 CLs and Ronaldo has been useless in all of those finals except against Juventus, but at least you're admitting that he's been carried to his titles.

He does, but Barcas defense has been shit since Puyol left and he's not a defender and can't stop his defense from letting in 3 and 4 goals.

*draws wales and switzerland*

Why doesn't he outscores them with his magical techniques?

>mfw I see an american posting

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all he had to do against slipperpool and roma was score one goal outside of his stadium. surely the GOAT should be able to pull that off?

>both teams BTFO rank 1 national team

>admitted he was carried
Well, the delusion is real. You are now reading imaginary posts.
This is your brain on messoy.

messi should stop feeding his teammates with good balls, he should only focus on the front and pray for his midfield to sorts things out on their own and give him good balls

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Because he's not good enough to score 5 goals every game against the best teams in the world. If you think "he's not a defender" or "he doesn't score 5 goals every game against shit defenders" are supposed to be good arguments against him then I have news for you.

both teams fluke their way only to help portugal to go further

>4
>he counts a CL in wich Messi didnt play a single minute after group stage but claim Ronaldo didnt do anything in Portugals EURO.
The IRONING.

No seriously you have to be retarded to have that opinion

They didnt write that he needed to score 5. They clearly wrote 1 (ONE).
Is he not good enough to score 1 (ONE) against Juve away, Roma away and Liverpool away?
Lmao what a fraud

Messoy would've scored that goal vs any other la liga teams

>Didn't play a single minute after group stage
He got injured in the first knockout game, retard, and I said that Ronaldo didn't do anything in the final, which he watched from the bench

Well, he is the GOAT at dribbling throw 10 men Huesca, and havent you seen his brace against 9 men Eibar? Magisterial! The little magician is the greatest Martin, no doubt about it.

That Suarez miss doesn't get talked about enough would have absolutely killed the tie and Liverpool would have probably get whooped after that

Yet you claim Messi's 4 CL and shit over Ronnies EURO.
I just think that you are bias towards the little choker because he makes u feel funny in your privates, which is ok, but its not an argument for GOAT status.

The Ukranian u20 forward just scored in the u20 WC final from the same position, so much for a difficult shot.

Nope, he isn't good enough to score when he has 4 players surrounding him every time he has the ball, because good teams knows they can get away with it because nobody else on the team is scoring. See

Nope, to be the GOAT you need to be useless in 6 out of 7 major finals but still win them because your team carries you, like Ronnie. That's the sign of a strong mind and the best big game player in the world.

based

>its better to lose finals than winning them
Absolutely fantastic argument

>teams need to score 4 on barcelona
>they have 4 man on messi
Why you lie on the internet?

And the Nations League is worth shit.

Arguments for why Messi isn't the GOAT:
>He doesn't play as a defender when his defense is shit and lets in 4 goals
>He doesn't score 5 goals every game because his defense is shit and lets in 4 goals and nobody else on the team scores any goals
>He doesn't score when he has 4 players surrounding him every time he has the ball because he's playing with players like Suarez who has scored 2 goals in his last 20 CL games
Well shit, you've convinced me, Ronaldo is the GOAT because he gets carried by his team when he disappears in big finals.

Messi
Hazard
Van Dick
Bernardo
Mbrappe

Its worth more than Copa San Juan tho.

OBSSESED

Nope, you're right, I'm going to start judging individual skill by how many titles the players team wins, not by actually watching them play and looking at how many goals and assists they make. I'm glad we both can agree that Iniesta is the GOAT

Why didnt he do it against Henderson, Milner and Van Dijk? The midget choked against milner and Henderson... FUCKING MILNER AND HENDERSON if hes the supposed goat he would have scored 1 (one) goal in anfield,

>ronaldo scores and assist and wins titles
Shit
>messi statoads and loses titles
Goat

>iniesta
if you’re going to be stupid at least say someone like dani alves you plonker

player mesi is just good because he has a camera following around.. they never show me on the camer.. if they did the question who plays the best football wouldnt be so easy.. i give it all in the field

>Messi doesn't score in finals and loses
He should just play better
>Ronaldo doesn't score in finals and wins
Ronaldo is a better player because he plays on better teams that carries him in finals

based Messoy

2006: carried on his first Champions League
2006: choked to Sevilla in Europe Super Cup (he was Champions League Winner)
2007: choked to Liverpool on R16 at home
2007: choked to Brazil in Copa America
2008: choked in CL Semi Final vs Man United
2008: carried to golden medal in Olympics
2010: cheked in CL Semi Final vs Inter (playing vs 10 at home)
2010: choked to Germany in World Cup
2011: choked in Copa del Rey vs Real
2011: choked to Uruguay in Copa America
2012: choked in CL Semi Final vs Chelsea (managed by some guy called Di Mateo)
2013: choked to Real Madrid in Copa del Rey
2013: choked in CL Semi Final vs Bayern (didn't even show up for the second leg after 4-0 defeat)
2014: choked in CL Quarter Final to Atletico Madrid
2014: choked in Copa del Rey final
2014: choked to Germany in World Cup final
2015: carried by Neymar to win the Champions League
2015: choked to Chile (lol) in Copa America final
2016: carried by Neymar in Copa del Rey Final
2016: choked to fucking Atletico Madrid again in Quater Final
2016: choked to Chile again (lol) in Copa America final
2017: choked to Juventus in CL Quater Final
2018: choked to ASS Roma in CL QF
2018: carried to another Copa del Rey win
2018: choked to France in World Cup
2019: choked to Liverpool in CL Semi Final
2019: choked to Valencia in Copa del Rey Final
2019: will choked in Copa America against shithole team

The guy who has lost this many finals can't be called a G.O.A.T

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But Messi didn't win.
Ronaldo won.
Messi is the shame of Argentina
Ronaldo is the pride of Portugal

Based and saved

Nope, Eder and Guedes are, Ronaldo is a choker

>2004 EURO
Ronaldo can't even carry Portugal
>2006 World Cup
Ronaldo can't even carry Portugal
>2008 EURO
Ronaldo can't even carry Portugal
>2010 World Cup
Ronaldo can't even carry Portugal
>2012 EURO
Ronaldo can't even carry Portugal
>2014 World Cup
Ronaldo can't even carry Portugal
>2016 EURO
Ronaldo got carried
>2018 World Cup
Ronaldo can't even carry Portugal
>2019 Nations League
Ronaldo got carried

3 finals, 2 victories. He will always be remembered as the G.O.A.T who brought Portugal glory, Real Madrid Champions League new era records, Manchester United glory and for sure will be in Juventus history.

Messi in the other hand is some autistic Barcelona guy who played in the same team all his life.

love it, because you just can't say that what I listed is wrong, the so called strongmind player

Same as you cant say his is wrong too. But in terms of success Ronaldo is above Messi

>and for sure will be in Juventus history.
I doubt he'll do anything good for Jjust, he's getting pretty old now

I'm not denying messi lost many finals or was carried in some finals too, I'm exposing the so called strongmind bullshit

do you even know what strongmind is?

getting carried?

>Why is Yea Forums handling his decline so poorly?
He's always been overrated, he's not a god, but he did basically just have his best season in years.

Messi's gonna win something

what fucking decline?

messi haters foam at the mouth and are literally OBSESSED
i'm loving this

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>getting their asses handed to them by Colombia
>h-haters b-btfo
Be honest, did you type this with tears streaming down your face?

Lmao the cope is real
Cognitive dissonance

El MESSIas

>le footy god look

jesus christ this team is so shit
they've been shit since 2006 how did Argentina let this happen to themselves?

>what I listed
Kys faggot, you didn’t even make that list, you just copy pasted, and it’s been BTFO countless times.

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user from the future here! He isn't

they were good in 2014 desu

who cares he lost to fucking Roma

He consistently scores from this angle in La Liga. Just look up a compilation of his goals.

I think he's beginning to think about life after football and the realization there's nothing else. I'm sure he's just desperate to win that Champions League one last time. He's definitely given up on winning anything with Argentina.

Proxy off alfonso.

this post didnt age well

Kek the only difference between the two is that one was bailed out constantly nearly every season

Me too lad i hate so much argies football fans

At this point I'm just in it for the memes

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>already choked against Columbia

Imagine when they choke against Qatar

>Qatar is actually not ironically win this

>B-but Portugal carries Ronaldo

we all are here for the memes desu

>You guys have no idea of how much I will enjoy to see this scene again.
>Also
>Why is Yea Forums handling his decline so poorly?

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>you have to be retarded to have that opinion
or just portuguese

hace frio en mi pecho

>2007: choked in the CL second leg against milan
He didn't choke. There's a reason Kaka won the Ballon D'or that year.

>b-b-b-b-b-b-b-but Ronaldo
bit sad desu

>No mention of TSUU in the thread
>You bring him up

Holy shit cope more

>Ignoring the Griezmann dive in the finals

Shiggy diggy

t.scatalan

>got carried
LOL someone didn't watch euro 2016 from the start

Let's not gloss over how much more difficult it is to win a Euro than a Copa America these days.
Reminder that a south-american team hasn't won the World Cup since 2002.
And yet Portugal, who had never won a Euro, now has one under Ronaldo.

the worst Brazil sides in memory, and Argentina still can't get it done in a tournament with world beaters such as Bolivia and Peru.
Portugal has to contend with basically every World Cup winner of the past 13 years plus a myriad of top 10 FIFA teams.

based
I would add this :
2014: carried by di Maria in World Cup final