Making a non-shitpost thread. This is 100% legit, no memeing, not concern trolling. What is USA's view on Gregg Berhalter? Lost to Jamaica 1-0 and now lost to Venuzeula 3-0. The latter is ranked 29th while USA is ranked 24th, so not as bad as people say... but the general consensus from the Yanks I've seen talk about this is that Klinsmann was to blame and it just needed a change of coach. Is Berhalter still 'the guy'? Is this a 'wait until the Gold Cup is over' before you change it? This is a heat map of all the offensive passes in the opposition half by USA. They seemed to fall into >Moyes tier tactics of mass crosses against a stubborn defence.
Where does one go from here? All the Americans I speak to know basically knowing about sport, let alone football. One does and he only cares because Cincinnati is a thing now.
Are Americans all asleep now? Just want to know if they think Berhalter is the right guy for the job or if the likes of Tyler Boyd were good enough to accept their switch. Guess I'll go to sleep and wake up later today to see if anybody replies...
Berhalter was hired to be an MLS yes-man. The problem runs deep, as the federation is in cahoots with the MLS, so they will keep pushing for literal whos to be on the national team. Not only that, but the entire structure of youth soccer in the US makes it very difficult to produce real talent at home. As for your main question, I think Berhalter should be canned right after the Gold Cup. I don't see this team winning it, with or without Berhalter. They should bring in someone with European experience, who will not bend over for the MLS. As I said, the problem is much bigger than a bad coach so the the national team is stuck in mediocrity for a good while.
Brody Jones
Does anyone care that you're getting beaten? I mean, are there any calls within the hierarchy to change things so they can get good?
Robert Torres
I don't like him, and most genuine US soccer fans don't like him, but he was hired to shill for MLS because that's what the USSF wants. It's why they fired Klinsmann, and why they have learned nothing over the course of two years of disaster.
Jack Reed
Thank you user for replying. As far as I can see, there seems to be articles (from the US) saying that the MLS is as fault because of essentially it being the only place talent is drawn from.
It essentially goes on to say that whilst Donovan is often considered the greatest American football player, Pulisic is the highest level an American has ever reached. They go on to say how he was born in USA, spent a year in UK when he was 7 and then moved to play in Germany's Youth System. Saying that he might be American but he was made in Europe. It then goes on to ask why Josh Sargent wasn't picked. Also
>But the level of MLS play when compared with the global standard is not particularly high. Yes, it is improving at a rapid rate, but is comparable to second-division quality in England, Is it really that fast? Reading Yea Forums implies it's not and it's just media bullshit.
So, as the Paddie said, is there an actual call for change or is MLS so minor (relatively) that the powers that be can go 'Who the hell cares? Nobody will call us out! They've got proper football to care about and whether black guys kneel or stand for the anthem`. I also ask because Inter Miami is becoming a thing and I'm gonna bandwagon it due to Beckham being involved. Then again, there is a lot of hate for the owner of Arsenal, Newcastle and United at the moment but nothing changes, so, I dunno. Arsenals owner is a master of PR and gets people to hate his chosen scapegoat to avoid being pressured. Newcastle owner doesn't care and might be selling out. United just needs to spend £200m and the issues are forgotten until the poor performances rack up but then are reminded 'Well at least we aren't Arsenal fans'.
Luis Scott
Literally everyone thought he was a bad hire and wants him gone.
Bring back Klinsmann.
Jace Moore
But if what other anons say is true in that he was hired to be a shill... will be be fired due to bad performances? Or is there enough willing shills/puppets for the powers that be to replace him with?
William Williams
It's not a meme when we say most people don't care about soccer here. The people that do like the sport think Berhalter was a terrible hire and are aware of the federation's tricks. There are some calls for change but no where near the levels you would find in other countries.
The article makes a good point about Pulisic. A lot of youth leagues are pay-to-play. While kids in Europe are playing cohesive games at a young age, American kids are learning the basics from some guy doing it as a side gig. I haven't looked at the stats, but it certainly feels that the sport is growing here. The expansion of the MLS is exposing more of the country to the sport; that's one good thing the league has done. As a side note, the increasing awareness of head trauma from American football is giving soccer a very slight boost.
He will likely be fired, then another shill will take his place.
Andrew Thompson
>sperging out over NON-competitive fixtures aka friendlies Get a fucking grip you cucks
Cameron Wilson
i feel alone when i say klinsmann should have never been hired 1. he gave us legitimacy as someone who had won a WC and was a decent player from a real soccer country 2. he didnt give a shit about MLS bullshit 3. 2014 was our best play in a WC ever so why the fuck get rid of the guy who brought us the furthest
Benjamin Davis
never been fired * sorry
Camden Perry
Cause he proceeded to lose to Mexico afterwards
James Peterson
/mls/ hates him Facebook USMNT followers want him out Instagram NT followers want him oiut The word MLS shill and puppet is in almost every comment
Nathaniel Lee
what will you say in 2 months
Xavier Cook
Wait and see a bit more. I also liked Klinsmann better but it does no fucking good having a revolving door at coach.
Connor Miller
I just wanted to know American views. I never said it was bad or anything, only what the view was because my American 'friends' don't follow sport.
There is a lot of other sports to challenge for talent pool. So it's not much of a surprise. It happens here, football, rugby, cricket after that the rest are relatively minor. It'd be nice if USA did get into it enough there could be a friendly tournament between USA and UK teams. Maybe Ireland can join too. Or maybe Anglosphere stuff. Sadly FIFA want their shekels so gotta do Nations League which means STAY IN YOUR ZONES REEE. As for being fired and replaced; great shame. You'd hope somebody would do their badges and resist this shit when they joined.
Who was in charge when you beat England 1-1?
So, reading this, are you now cheering for USA to lose so bad that he does get fired due to such results being impossible to ignore by the MLS powers? Or are you still hoping USA wins? Or is it a case of 'If USA wins, then it doesn't matter' thing?
Nolan Edwards
well we're not as good as mexico, so...
Gabriel Gray
it doesnt matter anymore
we fell out of world cup qualifying, and bruce arena wasnt even immediately fired. The incompetent morons on the field, even gonzalez, the guy that gave up the own goal, was on the roster today. A non MLS shill coach literally begged for US soccer to pick him to coach, and they shot him down. The only thing that will get US soccer to change is if some hero shoots Don garber through his bald skull
Lucas Campbell
5 years ago we were
Lincoln Richardson
Well my view is we shouldn't sperg over friendlies. It shows zoomer-tier cluelessness and utter lack of situational awareness.
Sure, maybe Berhalter may very well not be the right guy for the job in the long run, but we don't know that yet.
Jaxon Cruz
>have won 2 of the last 10 matches >one win was off a zardes meme goal that 9/10 times never wouldve gone in >half of the roster today will be on the """""""A"""""" squad >UH, WELL, WE CANT JUDGE HIM YET
you are fucking retarded
Isaiah Gonzalez
i dont know any of the players I dont know the organization or who is the manager im not able to watch any of the games nor do i even know they are going on
idk why you guys think americans know anything about soccer when for us its literally impossible to stumble into it unless you pay for the TV packages and intentionally seek out when games are being played. There is more advertisement for the women's national team than anything else soccer related or its all premier league big 4.
Thomas Campbell
>but the general consensus from the Yanks I've seen talk about this is that Klinsmann was to blame and it just needed a change of coach What the absolute fuck are you talking about? Absolutely no one that wasn't an MLelSoiboy wanted Klinsmann gone, even during the shitshow of the last few games that he managed where we were raped by Costa Rica and Mexico back in 2016. Everyone knew that Klinsmann wasn't perfect but he was still pushing the program forward in spite of the MLS old boys club of Bradley, Altidore, Howard and the MLS veterans who didn't like him or his talk of going to Europe.
Results speak for themselves: A year after Klinsmann, Arena fucks up qualification. Another year after and Sarachan is managing embarrassing losses to many European and South American teams (tbhonest we shouldn't have been playing strong teams in friendlies with how shit the squad is) and now so far this year we have Bercuckler running the national team to the ground with even more embarrassing performances against Jamaica and Venezuela. Three coaches in three years who have all failed miserably and performed far worse than Klinsmann ever did and the one constant is the same MLelSoiboy faggots who think they're entitled to wearing the USA shirt despite playing in a joke league AND having shit mediocre stats in MLS of all leagues. The problem is and has always been MLS and US Soccer sucking each other's dick and letting that SUM money cloud the national team's performances. The only reason Klinsmann was fired was because he antagonized Don Garber and MLS too much, not because of his USA tenure.
Gavin Williams
Yeah so who would you hire instead(and tomorrow, not 2 months from now) and do you really think it will make things better? It's literally the same shit we went through with Klinsmann.
Alexander Ross
Most fans care. You could hear audible boos from the audience who paid to watch the last two shitshows on television so it's not like they're oblivious. The problem is that US Soccer controls the soccer media of this country and thus most "soccer journalists" - the important ones who get to go to conferences and conduct press interviews - don't want to get kicked out of the club so they stay silent for the most part and suck US Soccer and MLS's dick. There's no massive outcry over how corrupt these media shills are since no one else cares about soccer in this country enough to cause change so what happens is that you have these sport journos like Jeff Carlisle writing damage control articles and game commentators like Stu Holden sucking the MLS golden boy dicks on television while USA is down 3-0 to Venezuela.
Landon Hernandez
300 million people and you finna telling me Jozy Altidore still has a place in the squad upfront. And then you have perhaps the laziest midfielder of the last 20 years, Michael Bradley, his most significant contribution to the team was scoring an equalizing goal against Slovenia in the WC almost 10 years ago, captaining the side.
Felt like under Klansmann we still had a glimmer of hope with all the youngsters he kept experimenting with but now we're back to playing Jozy and Omar Gonzalez should have his citizenship revoked
Kayden Ward
>From the start, Klinsmann, 52, was a polarizing figure as the United States coach, attracting both praise and disdain from hard-core fans throughout his five-year tenure.
>He arrived to much fanfare in 2011, finally agreeing to a contract after Gulati had pursued him on and off for years. Vowing to elevate the national team program in a way that “suits the American game,” he led the team through a successful qualifying campaign for the 2014 World Cup, but he was criticized for saying in an article published in The New York Times Magazine that he did not believe the Americans had any chance to win the tournament, as well as for his decision to leave the popular veteran Landon Donovan off the final squad he took to Brazil. Klinsmann also drew the ire of fans and American soccer officials alike for a string of comments denigrating the American professional league, Major League Soccer, even as it produced nearly half his roster.
>Drawn into one of the most difficult first-round groups in Brazil, the United States beat Ghana, tied Portugal and lost to the eventual champion, Germany, but advanced to the knockout round on goal difference. The Americans were eliminated by Belgium in extra time in the round of 16, nearly winning a match in which they were significantly outplayed.
>Some thought Klinsmann’s tenure should have ended then. In many countries, the national team coach generally keeps the job for no more than one four-year cycle; Klinsmann himself stepped down as coach of the German national team after just two years despite leading his home country to a third-place finish in the 2006 World Cup.
Sorry, was going off what I read online. I don't speak to Americans about this stuff regularly enough so it is hard to gauge what is what.
Samuel Garcia
SUM says he's doing a great job and just needs more time lmao
Parker Walker
Altidore is fine with a pacebabby striker next to him. I know he only really has one world-class skill(hold-up play) but it was enough to beat the good Spain with.
Thomas Peterson
that was 10 years ago
he hasnt done shit since
Jose Nelson
>Literally needing to go back 10 years to remember something good Jozy did for the team >We beat the to-be world champions and it didn't matter one bit
Camden Williams
Time for Mourinho.
Leo Bennett
Joshit's hold up play is extremely overrated. The only reason it's brought up is because otherwise there wouldn't be anything else that shills can use to hype him up.
Lucas Price
Time for Wenger
Landon Carter
I don't give a shit that we lost today because maybe two of the starters plays on a full strength side. I wasn't even aware of half of our players before this international break. Also Rondon is criminally underrated.
Klinnsmann was not a perfect fit, but he's head and shoulders above anyone else who's had the job since I've been alive. He should've been asked to continue as the permanent u20 manager or a position like "Head of Youth Infrastructure Development" for the fa.
The best player at any MLS side would be able to play comfortably for a midtable prem team. However, the worst starter for an average MLS side would struggle to be a rotation option for a league one team. Bottom half championship to promotion favorites in league one seems fair.
Aaron Cruz
Klinsmann wasn't that great of a manager either. He kept falling in love with shit German Americans that were awful like Chandler and Kiesewetter. We honestly weren't any better under him than we were with Bob Bradley. The U.S. National team has huge problems with youth development and coaching. Until those are fixed we'll never be able to compete with the big soccer countries. Berhalter getting fired won't fix things unless the entire way soccer works in this country is changed. They would probably just replace him with another MLS coach anyways.
Levi Evans
>The best player at any MLS side would be able to play comfortably for a midtable prem team
The main problem about MLS is the closed system. No relegations, no "amateur" teams joining in, you can't get every average kickabout middleschooler into any of the teams, no junior leagues, nothing at all.
