How did they not win anything?

>your opinion is fact and means more than their accolades

You need a great goalkeeper to win titles, England has never produced one.

>Lloris

Shilton and Banks were good.

Seamen?

Autistically trying to make Gerrard/Lampard midfield work for nearly 10 years

>w-we fucked up on purpose!!!

England NT is the opposite of Germany. Krauts consistently do good in the WC with a team full of shitters while the anglos manage to choke with great players. Notable exception is the last WC where the reverse happened although England had arguably the easiest draws until Croatia.

literally lost them the 2002 QF vs Brazil

shit managers fuck that swedish cunt and fuck capello

Hargreaves is a double CL winner.

Not even remotely close to what I posted you mong. They didn't give a fuck about anything but club football

Shit managers, shit tactics, always picking the best players in each position rather than the best team.
Also a bit of bad luck. If Ronaldinho hadn't hit a GOAT level free kick maybe we would have won in 2002, if Beckham hadn't skied his pen in 2004 maybe we would have won that. All other tournaments we were fucking dire and deserved to lose.

I can't believe they wasted that squad of players on Erikson for so long. Imagine if Mourinho managed that team, they definitely would have won something

>literally lost them the 2002 QF vs Brazil
because he was 40, that's the coach's fault

>always picking the best players in each position rather than the best team.
And who the fuck should they have picked instead?

Maybe they should have trained penalty shooting

Mourinho was never interested in coaching NTs

they should have played lampard and gerrard centre-mid with scholes sitting in behind them
plus they all hated each other

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They were a great team but let’s not pretend that there wasn’t better teams in their era. The only reason they were considered favourites was because of their own media

Players who can work together well under a set of tactics ie Gerrard and Carrick rather than Gerrard and Lampard which didn't work

You can't change the quality of players, but you can change tactics. It would have been better to get a better manager that could make them work together rather than settling for inferior players. What would the English media say if a manager decided they just weren't going to play Frank Lampard because "they don't fit"

>fucking up your national team because you purposely withhold tactics
>not fucking up on purpose
Choose one

Most of them were Pogba like luxury players, that can look absolutely world class when supported by the right players.

Lloris can be godlike

Stacked at CM and CB while understrength in other areas

>literally lost them the 2002 QF vs Brazil
how? don't tell me ronaldinho didn't lucked out and scored on a failed cross

>international club teams

he was talked about managing England or Portugal

The whole team is unbalanced because the players skillsets were so rigid you couldn't play them together.

>beckham
too slow, can't play him in a 4-3-3 as a winger or a midfielder if you have lampard and gerrard, can only properly work in a 4-4-2 as a wide player
>gerrard
can't play as defensive midfielder, is way too retarded and makes ridiculous mistakes if he is the last midfielder. Is actually pretty good as a wide right midfielder but can't play him there because of Beckham
>lampard
not a defensive midfielder
>carrick
Actual defensive midfielder, managers didn't rate him
>hargreaves
Actual defensive midfielder, permanently injured
>joe cole
not really a proper winger in a 4-4-2

Couldn't properly play a 4-4-2 (no left midfielder, unbalanced players) or a 4-4-3 (no defensive midfielder, forced to play rooney who isn't a real target man)

Whole team is a mess to pick

Most overrated bunch of losers

>2002
got eliminated bu the WC winner
>2004
lost to penalties
>2006
lost to penalties

one could argue that luck barely is a factor in football but well england was pretty much unlucky

...

>Paul Robinson
That's how

they werent good

strong post

*enough
That's a good team, but Brazil at the time had pic related. You start the game 2 goals down against that.

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exactly. Scholes should have played as a holding midfielder and let either Gerrard or Lampard take the attacking CM role

slightly overrated
shitty manager who could never solve the lampard/gerrard problem
owen getting fucked by injuries
rooney 50% fit due to metatarsal injury
poor GK

Playing lampard as a shadow striker is probably the best way to include him along with gerrard without the midfield being defensively unbalanced
Gerrard could also drop into the RCM position when Beckham went up the touchline and vice-versa

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Gerrard and lampard would get in each other's way there

Lloris is massively underrated

Cole won the CL with Chelsea
Hargreaves has won it with both Bayern and Man Utd.

Yeah goalkeepers decline when they are 40 you fucking dick

They did fuck all

>robinson

Reminder that there are 4 players in that team who finished in the top 3 for the Ballon d'Or. There's also a 4x UEFA defender of the year, Man Utd and the England NT all time top scorer, and the best LB of his generation.

Only the goalkeepers you could say were average, everyone else was world class or just the next step down from world class (J. Cole, Hargreaves)

that absolutely sex backline completely ruined by >robinson

*blocks you're path*

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good players bad teamwork

Scholes wasn't in there

Beckham-Scholes-Gerrard
--------------Lampard
Or
Beckham-Scholes-Lampard-Cole
-----------------Lampard

For me, Umbro is an underrated kit maker.

On the face of it it seems valid but the club sides already proved how it can work.

>Beckham too slow
It's not uncommon for one wing to be more direct than the other. Fergie would play Ronaldo or Valencia on the right wing with a slower winger like Giggs on the left. The balance is there if assymetric, the tactics just focus right wing for direct attacks and left wing for patience and creativity. Invert this for England

>Gerrard
You are absolutely right to identify Gerrard as a brainlet DM. However, he can atleast play box to box, his defensive duties limited to harrassing. This was Essien's role, who wasn't as positionally smart at DM like Carrick or Makelele but energetically defensiive. With that the midfiled could just replicate Chelsea's midfield of

Lampard_Gerrard
____Carrick____

Lampard free to drift, create and attack, Gerrard charging back and forward a la Essien, Carrick defending and tidying up as he did for United and as Makelele did for Chelsea

>Lampard not deffensive
Not an issue because of above

>Carrick not used
That's not a balance issue, just a manager retardation issue

>Hargreaves injured
Again not a balance issue, an injury one

>Joe Cole
Simple right winger the same as Valencia or Nani's role. We also had Lennon if we wanted options.

>Rooney
He was perfectly capable playing both 9 and 10 duties up top alone. Actually his role in United in the 2009-2010 season was laying off outside the box like a 10 but then quickly charging forward into a 9 position to score headers or through balls.

You've got Crouch and Scholes to come on at any point too to emphasise particular needs. Crouch could be more physical up top, Scholes cos replace Gerrard if England needed to wrestle more possession.

Really the failures were from retarded manager tactics and a determination not to play possession football even though Carrick, Scholes, Hargreaves, Lampard, Gerrard, Beckham and Rooney are all excellent passers and playmakers in their own right.

He was past it in 2002 and then retired. The fact they repeatedly fell back to David James says it all.

utterly insane how calamity was in the team way up until 2010

youtube.com/watch?v=qDULa8sSDTU

If you skip to 1:50 here you can also see Lampard's kino playmaking ability. It's a good lesson too that the media get overhyped on a player's signature skillset (Lampard scores so many goals! Beckham so good at freekicks!) while completely forgetting to mention their other major skills until literally people think they don't even have them.

England was stacked with passing talent yet could hardly seem to pass the ball at the World Cups. That points to tactics.

>CB,CB,CAM,LWB,CAM,CM,RWM,CF,CAM,CM
>How did they not win anything?

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But was very inconsistent in 2018

When they got rid of Erikson they failed to qualify for Euro 2008. Maybe he was making a bunch of duffers look good

2002 Brazil was a great team.. there’s no shame in losing to them

11 English players started in a CL final in 2008.

not at the world cup, appart from his fuck up in the final when france was leading 4 - 1
he was god tier.

based agent Gerrard

More surprising than not winning anything, was how dogshit awful they could be. 2006 was painful to watch

I only recognize like 6 of those dudes, who the hell are the other nobodies? Is this supposed to look frightening?

No, it was just McClaren who made them play worse than they actually were. That happened more time in his managerial career.

He was only knocked out by goat Brazil and penalties. How can people blame him? He even played your meme 4-5-1.

the importance of a good manager is vital
the premier league damaged the NT so fucking much, from the players to the managers.

Premier League has helped the English NT immeasurably

No cohesion.
Look at Terry and Ferdinand.

''International football explained!''

Nearly all of them were overrated and they had mediocre chemistry. When push would come to shove they couldnt do it. They’d think they’d walk the cup ofcourse. Never as tough as italians. Never as passionate as the french. Never as classy and TOTAAL
VOETBAL as the dutch and never as clinical and clutch as the germans. Sorry lads, it’s never ever coming home again

>never as classy and TOTAAL VOETBAL as the dutch
Gee Holland please teach me your winnings ways