/nfl/ General - Dallas GODert Edition

*wins his seventh with the Texans*

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>yfw da jags win da superb owl

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>taking a bama qb
>ever
Jewsen and Fitztragic are both better than Tua

You realize Fitzpatrick is the most skilled quarterback of all time, and he’s only considered bad because he only cares about money and not winning, right?

Vikings WILL win the 2020 Owl

That's never happening. Both because DeShaun Watson is a competent QB and it's not what the Texans are missing and because Brady will retire a Patriot.

He's basically a discount Brett Favre except he's consistently on shitty teams. A turnover machine that makes risky plays and is either on fire or total shit. You can't win rings like that. Except where Brett Favre could finish drives, Fitzpatrick can't.

>either on fire or total shit
hmm, I wonder why that is?

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Is there a quarterback in nfl history with a worse throwing motion than Tim Tebow?

youtube.com/watch?v=qvWZajk2hXE

Literally throws like a baseball pitcher and has one of the slowest, riskiest releases in NFL history.

Fitzpatrick is only good when your starter is unavailable. The moment he's made the starter, or you choose to start him when your starter is healthy, he turns to shit. This is undeniable

He does it on purpose, that’s how he makes money.

The freakin jets baby go jets

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Phillip Rivers

Manziel or Rivers

Lamar Jackson > Mitch Trushitsky

he’s amazing but god damn to I wish he would stop trying to force his shitty nickname “president” that he gave himself down our throats

This is true. Bitch Trubisky is the best offensive player on the bears though.

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Kissintitties >>> lameme

Preeeez

Trubisky sucks dude.

>there are people in this thread right now who doubt Joshua David Allen

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Why would we trust worse Lamar Jackson

Who is the NFL equivalent of this pic

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Lameme sucks worse. twink running QB's never work out.

Texans are going to win eight (8) games and there's not a single thing any one of your sh*t teams can do about it 8]

>not 9 games

Nah they're regressing back to their 8-8 ways.

We could possibly get 9 wins if this ASU guy is good. 10 if we meme the patriots. But that’s at most

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Texans beating the Patriots lmao

If Fitz wins the starting job, the fins will be 3-13 this year with 2 of those being the Patriots.

arguing over whos the 25th best QB in the league

>Daily reminder that the Ratbirds STILL haven't recovered from this play.

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LaMeme Jackson is the worst starting QB in the league

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Lamar > Mitch. This has already been settled.

We’ve done it exactly once (1 time)

Not even the worst in his division

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Oldgay = could not be more wrong tripfaggot. Settled

>implying Dalton isn't perpetually the 16th best QB in the league

Dalton can actually throw the ball though. Lameme is the next RGIII

U misspelled Josh Allen my main man

*goes 10-6 with a top 10 defense and run game*

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Yeah and it was like a decade ago

In two seasons Josh Allen will unironically be the best QB in his division

Edelman is a better QB than flaccid and lameme

So is Doug Baldwin

More like Jameis Wiston

Kek nice "effort", Suggs.

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>ineligable

Dalton is pretty serviceable until wild card weekend.

ignore rankings within partitions

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>b yellow
>e green
so the yellow teams are bad and the green teams are good?

no, its an A,B,C grading scale, but there are no A teams in the offseason

Glad we got past that rebuilding year. High hopes for this season

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>there are no A teams in the offseason
There's no A teams ever. Any given Sunday, zoomer.

Thoughts?

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They should bend the rules and have Tom Brady be inducted already.

based

an A team doesnt mean unbeatable, but there are plenty A teams throughout history

Ken Anderson is borderline

The rest shouldn’t be considered

what kind of retard fantasy world are you living in where Brady goes to a different team? what indication have you EVER had that he wanted to move?

I'd vote Gannon in but that also means another chiefs player gets in

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Reposting this two or three times a day waiting for (You)s doesn't make your statement any more true or false. Realistically, the Vikings don't even make the playoffs until Cousins runs out his contract and they move on.

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>*goes 7-9 after Rodgers chokes on bud light*

ftfy

Underrated post.

>toxins

lol fuck the sheagles xd

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>look at this AWFUL throw that won the game in ot on the first play
dumb fucking boomer

Tom Brady won't even be a first ballot HOF. It would set a bad precedent doing that for a notorious cheater.

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Trip on, OldGay

Mad bc tom brady owns ur shit team??? lol

Buddy of mine told me Jon Gruden is gonna be in the HOF some day

Maybe if you take his broadcasting into account and if he doesn't completely bomb on the Raiders this time.

Daily reminder that My Team > Your Team
Come at me.

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he's an awful broadcaster tho

Well he’s no Romo or Chris & Al

wrong.

McNabb only belongs in the soup salesman HoF

I thought McNabb was in the HOF already, I remember him getting in like a few years ago...mandela effect?

who's your pick for the 40 Yards of Gold?
for me it's Robby Anderson

Why would he get in the HoF?

Steelers are winning the owl this year

it'll take mcnabb a few tries to get in I think if at all

Stoolers will probably finish 3rd barely beating out the Bungles.

He’s been eligible for the last 3 ballots and hasn’t come close. He won’t and shouldn’t be a hofer.

When pigs fly

Fuck off.

>doubting stoolers

You fags say you're going to/win the owl every year since 2015 and it hasn't happened, Kill Brody and maybe you got a shot

It will. They’ll win it before the raidniggers, chief.

Stoolers have only won 1 playoff game since 2015

Not if your team is still acting like little girls with all that infighting and costs Tomlin his chance, knowing the NFL the fucking browns will probably win before the steelers, and never call me chief

>the fucking browns will probably win before the steelers
Stay delusional, bucko.

they will make the playoffs. thats all.

Dak>>>Goff

I'm 90% sure the NFL is gonna give them a free a win for that feel good story of the year

Browns are either going to go down in flames or make it to the AFCC and lose to the Patriots. No in between

They’re not winning shit. All hype.

>discount Brett Farve
Horrible comparison. Butt Favre had a fucking cannon for an arm.

That seems to be what everyone thinks so they'll probably settle into an injury marred 7-9.

Hey buddy you accidentally put those arrows in the wrong direction! Just wanted to let you know :)

>lose Brown
>aging Ben who will regress soon
Why would you think they are in position to win anything

Howie's gonna whupp his ass
247sports.com/nfl/philadelphia-eagles/Article/Chris-Long-Eagles-marijuana-132257661/

Hell yea, Tiki! Fuck the Eagles xD

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I don’t even think I can name a player on the Stillers other than Ben and juju. Their roster is cards tier rn

Ben, JuJu, Villanueva, Artie burnt toast, Joe Haden and the guy who smacked Joe Haden in the endzone just as he was making an int and forced the ball to pop up into Keenan Allen's hands

Did you just make up those names?

Brown is a prima donna nigger and Big Ben still has one more run left in him, brother.

Yikes

GOD bless the USA
and
GOD bless the Carolinas

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$cam newton LOL.

I think Artie Burns is made up

Please never remove your trip. Thanks in advance

>Ranking every NFL team’s quarterback situation headed into the 2019 season

WE WUZ #5 BEST QB SITUATION N SHIET

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I don’t like the Steelers or Big Ben at all but this

The whole southeast is the most blessed place to live if, and only if, you’re educated. Wholesome af, but you’re shit out of luck if you’re uneducated

You're right. He won't be on a ballot at all. He's just getting put in asap.

lol no

Vikings win the Owl 2020

>Le it’s impossible for two people to root for the same team meme
XDDDDD Oh look, it’s this stupid shit again.
You can clearly see that me and TikiBar_Beer posted five seconds apart. That’s way too close together for us to be the same person. Seethe harder that multiple people are winners and not inbred white trash losers like you.

If you mobile post you can reset your IP and out on the separate trip. Fucking nigger

...said no one ever

Are you blind? It was literally just posted. Therefore someone just said it.

chorgers over pats
Eagles over rasms
Chorgers over eagles

you cannot dispute this

Neither the Eagles nor the Rams are making it to the NFCCG

It’s gonna be Packers Bears NFCCG

>packers
>trubtitsky
lol

Shut up faggot

Nigger how new are you that you don't recognize that reference?

Lions Chargers Owl 2020

>The Chargers will definitely beat the Patriots next year!
>They were so close last season!
Fuck off Kiwi you braindead cunt.

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shut up you fucking nigger i will hunt you down and stuff deer estrus into you eye sockets until the largest buck in the forest comes by and skull fucks you for days trying desperately to continue his progeny before realizing that you're an unsuitable host and gores you

>Seething nigger-tier response
Are you a Chiefs fan or an Eagles fan?

Seething vicuck detected

Pats fan. Eat shit, ringlet.

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>h-help me gronk!!

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>bandwagoning

>car 3-3
>NYG 3-3
>fucking ARI 1-1
kek

>reee why are you "bandwagoning" a team you have regional ties to?!?
Stay mad your garbage team will never win anything relevant.
>Green Gay
kek lol oh no

holy crap, Lawrence Guy

>that comfy feel when you’re watching your team play and you see the other scores update at the bottom of the screen
the new season can’t get here fast enough

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Sam Darnold

>packers

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>Tomlin wins one Super Bowl basically with Bill Cowher's team and coaching staff
>After that one more SB appearance followed by consistent mediocrity ending in playoff losses
>There are people who still think he's a great HC

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Deep down inside, you all know they're going to win it all. This is year one of an undeniable window that will last at least 4 yrs.

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your first mistake was thinking y*nzers were people to begin with

They’re not winning anything.

literally laughed out loud

Cope.

Ahahahahahahahaha

>cowcucks
>winning anything

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That's your fault for being a gay pussynigger. What's your point?
lololololololololololololololololol...literally...lololololololololololo
I literally loled
lolololololololololololololololololololol

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the stoolers always find a way

>chi-packers.jpg
what did they meme by this?

SIX (6(VI)) TOUCHDOWNS IN ONE (1(I)) HALF

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TWO (2(II)) DOINKS ON ONE (1(I)) KICK

HELGA FUCKEN EBIC X-------DDDDDDDDD

>still a fa
which team will be dumb enough to sign him?

The thing is one of those things mattered and the other didn’t

sounds too right

ZERO (0(0)) PLAYOFF WINS

He and Gruden are basically the same guy.

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But Chris and al suck tho

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Romo is overrated

sir, that's an underage girl.

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>yfw da bears win da superb owl

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Al Michaels is the best. Collinsworth sucks.

>his “quarterback” doesn’t have his own charity organization
Soulless desu

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Based

>Win
You have to get to a Super Bowl first
Fuck, you have to get to a conference championship first
We all know you can't

reminder that the panthers killed mcnabb's career in the '04 nfc championship and that deshaun foster became a god that night

>ywn do a front-double bicep to celebrate a stop
Sucks desu

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berds

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>49ers season hasnt even started
>two key defensive players are out half the season
F

crass but effective, although i'd flag that faggot for having more than 11 on the field

>getting stopped by the refs
geaux fuck yourself

Not a big deal. Ward has completed one season in five. All four have ended because of broken bones. There is depth there. And Bosa is out a couple weeks of OTAs as a precaution after missing a full year of football.

>your team
>your team’s problem player
>the secret you would kill your own mother to keep quiet
>yfwdbwdso
>you the coach now; how do you stop brady?
>potatoes or stuffing?

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SOON

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Here we go packies queer we go *stomp stomp clap*

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This doesn't make any sense, but that's ok, you're retarded. Just keep trying guy, you'll figure it out eventually.

>cant understand post
>calls other user retarded
wew

You can make a bad play that still wins the game you fucking retard.

>Horrible comparison. Butt Favre had a fucking cannon for an arm.
That makes it an apt comparison. Fitzpatrick has a great arm, his accuracy just sucks and he overthrows his receivers all the time into interceptions.

Nah.
- Jags win 2019/20 season Bowl
- Gnats win 2020/21 season Bowl
- Bills win 2021/22 season Bowl
- Browns lose 3 straight AFC Championships

>bad play
>wins the game
peak autism

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>jags
huh?
>gnats
wait what
>bills
oh nonono this nigga serious

now that the dust is settled...
was tony homo good?

The Pats won the Super Bowl the year that image was taken.

Not that guy, but I think Jeff George or Michael Vick might be better comparisons for what you're saying. Brett Favre threw fucking lasers. I'd bet like half of his career interceptions were from balls that went off of his receivers fingers.

leave him, he’s clearly retarded. He is a green gay fan, after all

Good? Yes
Choker? Yes

As the original billsposter I take offense at viqueers posting owl 2020 memes

you must admit that the prospect of a Bills-Vikings chokeb owl is hilarious

By your argument, the Rams made a great play when they committed blatant pass interference because they won that game. Dumb fuck.

If a QB throws the ball DIRECTLY to an opposing cornerback, that CB bobbles the ball into the air, only to have it ultimately caught by his own team, is it immune to being a bad play since it all turned out okay? No. You dumb fucking retard. Tim Tebow winning a game has nothing to do with whether his throwing form is shit or not(it is shit).

>I'd bet like half of his career interceptions were from balls that went off of his receivers fingers.
You'd be wrong. 90% of his interceptions were him trying to make hero plays into tight coverage and failing.

Allen would just run all over the Vikeks again

>chargers
And I thought this year would finally be the one where people didn't fall for the Chargers meme.

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Pretty much this

made this last year, not sure if it's still up to date, but the point stands

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>wins game on a play in ot
>"uhh ACTUALLY thats a bad play"
the state of (You)

what a little bitch. its fate that he will never even come close to having a ring

Better than Mike Vick who people seem to suck off

i am a cowboys fan ok?

No that’s not ok

>cowboys fan
>ok

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Based Wilfork

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If you go back to 1996, it's 4 and 7 now

look at dis dood

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l o fucking l

>No.

youtu.be/nlMZ45b1cJY
kek remember this game
what a classic

>No one
>Wants to
>Answer your
>Gay questions
>so maybe
>Kill yourself?

>jags
"huh?"

Confirmed for clueless brainlet.

>vikings have 5 primetime games
pencil in 5 losses minimum

good team but lmao if you think they will WIN the super bowl, let alone make it there

can you feel it? vicucks anons seething HARD

old baysed make ya seeth?

>the absolute state of Kelvin Benjamin

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status on my eagles, lads?

Who can stop us?

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>double doink still hurts

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whats kirks primetime record as of now
also who are they against
kek
KEK
Cam must have been laughing hard somewhere
Allen was a lot better than his receivers showed, he had drops everywhere last season

i called that shit 2 drives earlier
>you know what would be hilarious? if it ends with a parkey field goal that hits the uprights. im telling you its happening

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Pete Carroll

hello.
so who finna win superb owl in a couple of months?

>promoting results oriented thinking
literal retard

In all seriousness, I think the Panthers win in 2019.

>promoting win oriented thinking
why yes, i do promote this. your team should implement this more so its less shit

nfl is gifting the aints a super bowl for last years debacle

No one.
We'll be at nuclear war by then.

with whoms't?

>nfl is gifting the aints a super bowl for last years debacle

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All I ask for is 1 in my lifetime.

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>the absolute state of Kelvin Benjamin
>He was deemed ineligible his senior year of high school due to his age, graduating high school at 20 years of age.
topkek

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>buy scratch ticket for five bucks
>win 20 dollars
>"holy shit, free money!"
>keep buying scratch tickets
>win oriented thinking
Do us all a favor and step into the nearest fire.

Lot of teams are going to look different this year, but the old guard remains pretty much the same...if Jacksonville can manage not to shit the bed early in the season and fall apart like last year, and if Foles can stay healthy, the Jags might be the most crucially reworked team coming out of the preseason.

But who fucking knows...the only thing anybody knows for certain is the fucking patriots will be in the playoffs...and the buccs are going to be playing 7 weeks on the road including an overseas trip, so Bruce might actually fucking die...

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My optimistic prediction for this year is win division, beat the wildcard steelers, then lose to the Pats in NE.
I think we're in for an 8-8 year unless BEWD can summon some magic outside of philly (I doubt it, but you never know).
Homestly just hope the jags beat the clots when me and my boys go to our annual jags-colts game.

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Dede Westbrook is in for a break-out year! H-haha...

>comparing winning a skill based competition to lottery gaming
(You) are getting desperate

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>foles wins mvp and brings a lombardi to sacksonville
best timeline

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The Giants are building a stacked roster of young talent and some key veterans. Offense and secondary looks to be massively improved already. They need to improve in areas, like DLine, but a good linebacking unit and great secondary will aid them piecing together the front.

>QBs
Eli - in shape and now has an offensive line
Daniel Jones (R) - looks really nice in OTAs could start this season if needed

>RBs
Saquon Barkley
Wayne Gallman
Paul Perkins
Rod Smith

>WR/TE
Sterling Shepherd
Golden Tate
Evan Engram
Darius Slayton (R)
Cody Latimer
Corey Coleman
Bennie Fowler
Reggie White Jr. (R)
Alonso Russell (R)
CJ Conrad (R)

>DB/S
DeAndre Baker (R)
Antoine Bethea
Kamrin Moore
Jabrill Peppers
Michael Thomas
Janoris Jenkins
Corey Ballentine (R)
Sam Beal
Julian Love (R)
Grant Haley
Sean Chandler

>OLB/ILB
Oshane Ximines (R)
Markus Golden
Kareem Martin
Ryan Connelly (R)
Alec Ogletree
Nate Stupar
BJ Goodson

>DL
Dexter Lawrence (R)
Freedom Akinmoladun (R)
Chris Slayton (R)
Dalvin Tomlinson
BJ Hill

>OL
Kevin Zeitler
Will Hernandez
Austin Droogsma (R)
Mike Remmers
George Asafo-Adjei (R)
John Halapio
Victor Salako
Nate Soldier
Paul Adams (R)
Brian Mihalik
Chad Wheeler

giants are not the bottom 5 like most outlets say

Yeah I'm iffy on this year unless Eli pulls a strong one out of his ass to end his career (which knowing him is possible, especially if the o-line lives up to the hype is a lot better this year).

But I'm more interested in 2020 and beyond. If Jones turns out to be at least a solid QB and Barkley continues to ball out and they add more talent in next year's draft and use the massive amount of $ they'll have by not having to pay Eli anymore after this year... yeah they might turn out solid. I'm hoping at least.

I'm a Gnats fan but I've always liked Foles. I REALLY hope he does well for the Jags and gets y'all a SB at some point. I actually think they have a good chance to advance far this year. They were clearly a team that was very uneven with a great defense but a wavering offense. Even if Foles is just decent for you guys and brings his strong leadership qualities to elevate the offense y'all could be a legit scary team next year.

It's unlikely but I still think the Giants could pull a 9-7 or 10-6 record this year given how reasonable their schedule is. Plus...

>Eagles no longer have Foles to fill in if Wentz suffers his traditional mid-season injury.

>Cowboys having to pay Dak a gorillion + Zeke maybe being suspended a few games due to the security guard altercation

>Redskins being the Redskins. Foster's torn ACL. Collins inability to shut his damn mouth about the Giants/Gettleman. Plus they still don't have a solid QB situation (and a sneaking suspicion Haskins won't be a good as projected at all)

Plus seeing what Barkley could do behind a trash o-line last year, and knowing how it's improved this year... holy shit.

Again, I'm not saying it's definitely gonna happen. If anything the Giants are building for future success more than immediate. BUT I do think it's possible.

kek what a retard
he no good because he from bama
like harvard and ucla have ever had great qbs
>troy aikman
overrated

people are seriously sleeping on us
We goin all da way

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Foles has an awful record as a starter.

Vikings Owl 2020

Who is the GOAT journeyman QB, Fitzmagic, Foles, or Testaverde?

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Foles

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but rg3 could actually throw the ball, too.

the only time I remember him winning a primetime game is when he murdered the packers on sunday night with the Redskins.

other than that, his record against teams with winning records is currently 4-26 or something like that.

The Redskins will be the first nfc east team to win the division back-to-back since the early 2000's.

>r******s
When is the NFL going to step in do someth- oh wait, the Patriots won again? I guess they'll need to pass new rules to prevent that.

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Why is the 3rd best rookie TE the OP?

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>win anything meaningful with Daniel Snyder in charge
i laffed

He's not a rookie anymore douchebag

Oh I'm sorry. I didnt realize the 2019 season started already.

>dailymail.co.uk/news/article-7071713/FBI-tapes-Martin-Luther-King-Jr-40-affairs-laughed-friend-raped-parishioner.html

Gee. I wonder what the NFL is sitting on regarding the Patricheats that will come out later? Goodell was awfully quick to burn those spygate tapes but these things always have a way of getting out.

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>still seething because this play ruined their shitbag franchise built by a White Suit wearing murderer

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The 2018 season (his rookie season) has ended.
The 2019 league year has already begun.
You are a flaming faggot.

>mfw some communist cock sucker tries to get past my filter

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You would empathize with a known closest-case faggot.

MECOLE HARDMAN? MORE LIKE ME-POLE HARD-FOR-MEN LMAO

Idk I'm looking up his stats and I see nothing for the 2019 NFL season.

>awful throw
>ball perfectly on target and put in an area where the wr could catch it with enough momentum to break away from the defense for the game winning td
>but the motion didn't look pretty enough for Mel Kiker to cream his pants over though
Are anti-Teboq fags the biggest retards in sports?

Foles > Testaverde > Fitztragic

Bart Starr has passed away

Will ARod hit up the funeral?

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How about you show some respect for a fucking legend passing instead of cracking some joke about the only QB in the NFL gayer than your own you nitwit? Christ you are the worst poster on here.

Top 5 QB of all time along with Unitas, Manning, Montana and Marino. F.

Trigg'd.

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why did you think it was a good idea to post their whole roster like anyone cares who their 9th string receiver is?
if anything it just highlights how much their roster is filled with literal whos like their entire linebacker core. They dont even look like they have an above average roster right now.

nobody is sleeping on the bears lmao

F

Erin Rodgers likes men

I'm completely dismissing the bears. They wont make the playoffs this year.

old baysed the clairvoyant

F

Still arguably the most impressive postseason resume ever by a qb

9-1 record, 15-3 td/int ration

No, but he was great nonetheless

>he is a liberal.

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tbdesu that's that tripfag's only redeeming quality

What do the Bears and Marty Mcfly have in common?
Always going back to 1985

There's nothing redeemable about him. He was alright years ago, but has turned into a shitty Mr. Metaphor ripoff that posts tranny threads on Yea Forums at night. Dude's a douche.

>liberal
>redeeming

Kek

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oof, nevermind
i stopped lurking Yea Forums when they became obsessed with that shit

No, not really. Even in his era he was considered a game manager, but in the post season, he was great

>Still arguably the most impressive postseason resume ever by a qb

Really?

I miss old Yea Forums. Now its full of redditors like getbradys6thknee who do nothing but spam capeshit, star wars and /pol/ shit.

>old gay
>complaining about spam and polbait
wew

This t.bh

theres an arguement. Him and Lombardi won 5 championships in 7 years. It took Brady and BB longer, and you could argue the only reason Brady has 6 is his longevity which didnt happen in the 60s

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F

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Bart's spirit will empower Aaron to lead my Green Bay Packers to a 19-0 season. Hope you're ready, NFC, AFC, and football fans.

I wish, but theyll dab on the NFCN at least

>post ends in 85
>Bart Starr dies at 85
A..anons?

>cnn
Even gayer of a post than

Wrong on both accounts.

I hope this doesnt make you irrationally angry user

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Doink...

Which division are you most excited about this season and why is it the AFCN?
The Browns, Steelers, and Ravens all have a legitimate chance to be divisional champs while there are major questions about each of them.
>Will the browns live up to their potential on paper?
>How will the Steelers be without Brown and Bell?
>Can the ravens defense remain dominant and is Lameme finished after that chargers game?
This season can't start soon enough

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Will the bengals

No AFCN team will make the playoffs.

Go 7-9? Yes.

Honestly the AFCN is going to be a dumpster fire this year. Browns ironically enough will be the only team with double digit wins

Why?

Steelers will win da norf

Is Pacman Jones a HoFer?

Idk which one of these posts is dumber

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t. Roots for the Baltipoor Niggerbirds

Browns are unironically King in the North

nah the packers are going 4-2 in the division
they were better than the bears head to head last year and made roster and schematic improvements while the bears are pretty much the same team
vikings will shrink in lambeau and never recover. their defense never recovered from mcvay trashing them and the packers run a similar scheme but won't have any tape on it
lions... lol

What religion is Josh Rosen???

fiscal

>Vikings will shrink in Lambeau
Lmao this delusion

Calm down it was pretty obvious me replying to myself was intentional.

You post like a 12-year-old boy who's sad that the girl he likes only fucks black guys.

Doesn't the President just hatewatch CNN nonstop?

Yes really. Krabs is right.

filter him

The roach can't handle the bants.

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first year vikings fan I see
they basically lost there last year and gifted a chance to win it and choked it into a tie. now theyre going to run into a healthy rodgers and better defense

Tebow's awful throwing mechanics were a problem. Saying it's okay because of one succesful game/pass is dumb. It's something that's incredibly difficult to fix once muscle memory has it built in. Despite Tebow acknowledging the problem and trying to fix it, he reverted to it any time he was under pressure because that's how his body has been trained to throw his entire life.

You can look at that one isolated throw and say "wow, it went right to the guy! they won the game!"...but it's completely retarded. Any quarterback, regardless of how terrible they are, can make a 20 yard pass in a clean pocket to an open receiver who has blown coverage.

The problem with thinking that a play like that is okay and Tebow can throw however he wants since he won that game is that over the long term, that throw is fucking terrible and WILL and did cost them games. It's slow. Tebow's windup to delivery takes like .70 seconds where the average QB is .45 and the elites like Brady throw in .33. You might be a retard and say "hurr, that's just fractions of a second though", but those fractions of a second are the difference between winning and losing in football. Go ahead and look up time to release for each NFL QB and you'll see there's a strong correlation between that stat and how successful a team/quarterback is that year. And the difference between those numbers is tenths and hundredths of a second. The difference between getting the ball out in 2.3 seconds and 3.0 seconds is worlds apart in results. And on top of being slow, it's incredibly vulnerable to being stripped because of both its slowness and how far away he winds up away from his body. The way he finishes his throwing motion means any contact during his motion will put his passes significantly off target. It may seem pointless to complain about in an isolated play like that, but over the long term it's fucking terrible.

There's a reason Tebow's NFL tenure was so short and why his stats are terrible.

>tfw still think about the owl sometimes

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your team sucks and only got to the superbowl because of refball

old baysed causin a total seeth

>1 All-pro
>1 Pro Bowl

Prolly not

Knowing that we will always make the ainst seethe makes me happy, thanks user

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youtube.com/watch?v=Bzrd0g84Xnk

Where were you, /nfl/?

>local bar with best friend, piss-drunk
>barely more than a dozen people there inc. staff (of which said friend is one but he's here on a night off)
>mind is being lost after Kearse catch
>flashbacks to Samuel/Tyree/Harrison, Plax/Hobbs, Manningham/Moore rushing through my mind like a boomer reliving 'Nam, it's habbening again
>Lynch gets to the 1
>panicked-kornheiser.png
>Wilson drops back, it's not a Beastmode run
>psyduck.jpg
>Butler's rushing in, colliding with Lockette
>Al Michaels: filename
>Butler falls on the 2 and gets piled on by more Patriots
>I am thunderstruck, unbelieving
>it's not the SB gods shitting on >us this time
>absolutely lose it, jumping up and down, screaming and swearing far louder than the rest of the bar combined
>cut to the Bennett chimpout
>laughing my ass out as Sheattle throws away its final chance of winning it
>Brady kneels again, again, and it's finally done
>guess who's back
>back again
>Pats are back
>tell a friend
>my friend isn't a football fan and even HE'S celebrating
>no words, just ecstasy
>all is well in the real world

>back to Yea Forums the next morning
>more than 50% of the catalog is still file- and filename-related shitposts
>/nfl/ genny still seething at the Patriots
>all is well in this world, too

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Uh yeah uh

Hes based
Worth more than a pristine vase
Comin to town
Plowin your wife
Taking your money
Dont call him honey!

Names old baysed
Get it through your head!
Before his boldness kills ya dead!

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I don't see the Packers finishing above 8-8 desu

>The Browns, Steelers, and Ravens all have a legitimate chance to be divisional champs
>Ravens
Nahhhh. I have so little faith in them this season, I honestly think they'll be dead last behind even the Bengals.

Is there anyone better than Aaron Rodgers?

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seeth at the packies douchbag

this is surprisingly not a bad album desu

>nah the packers are going 4-2 in the division
Considering they got swept by the Lions last year, no. Also no idea what roster and schematic "improvements" you think they made that's going to make them so much better this year, but I don't see it. Packers go 3-3 in division. Get swept by Lions again, trade with Bears, sweep Vikings.

IIIIIIIIITS PACKIE TIME!!!!

what's there to seethe at? Aaron Rodgers is the Joe Flacco of the NFC.

packies *stomp stomp clap*

...Wow, actually, you're right.

lmao packies putting this idiot into a total grind

sizzling take

Suggs is a bum

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Packies fucking own you fucks. livin in ya head RENT FREE!!

S

F

Greatest QB in Packers history

Suck my dick bitch

good idea, gotta load up for tomorrow's SCF Game 1. they'll probably be out of the good stuff by this time tomorrow anyway

>yfw da bears win da superb owl

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oof.

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Funny, I said the same to to Bart. That's why he died, he choked to death on it.

>OH SHIT

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>team creates a new rule to protect you
>still can't win another ring

OH NO NO NO

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And knowing your team got shown for the frauds they are in the superbowl will forever make us happy

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>the rasm

heheehehehe HAHAHAHAHAHAA

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>reddit bay

Muh fake nooozzzzz!!1!1!!1

I can't imagine being so obsessed with another man's sexuality that I constantly post weird fantasies about it on a Kyrgyzstani finger piano image board

Could he make an NFL roster lads?

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HE HAD ONE JOB
AND THAT ONE JOB WAS NOT EVEN TO CATCH THE BALL

Knowing that we will always make the rasm seethe makes me happy, thanks YB

No. Too short, and not enough lateral quickness.

Imagine being a racist Neo-Nazi and having to root for a black qb.
Old Gay doesn’t have to imagine.

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Malcolm Butler

Cringe

is he still in the league?

Darrell Bevell

But user, the Belichick-Brady Patriots won multiple rings.

Bevell isn't our OC anymore.

yep

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how do u know if aaron Rodgers is gay

>swept by the lions
they game in detriot was a crapshoot because they were better on offense and defense. they started the game off with a special teams "turnover" (didnt even touch the guy) that set the lions up with a quick 14-0 lead before the packers had the ball. then rodgers fumbled twice because still injured and didnt have the mobility to outrun the edge like he usually does. Then 6(Six(!!!)) missed kicks kept then from winning the game.
in lambeau they played kizer for 3 and 3/4th quarters. otherwise rodgers would have shredded them like he did the falcons and jets
basically the packers-lions have been the flukiest division matchup in the league for two years already
apart from that the largest improvements is adding proven players at their largest roster holes (safety and OLB), and running the damn ball to keep defenses honest. God knows why they werent using aarong fucking rodgers in bootlegs and play action instead of isolation routes and dropbacks with rookie receivers

>six
it was five, my man. although yes, if Crosby had even only missed one of the FGAs the Pack would still have won if going strictly by the scoreboard.

>kickers aren't part of the team
>special teams isn't part of the game
Why do people always COPE like this?

Was it rape?

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kicker with a .85 career percentage missing 5 in one game is a one in a million event that doesnt reflect the actual competency on offense or defense or the true probability of winning. This wasnt a single missed game winner
pat mcafee claims there are all sorts of influential variables like the condition of the balls, ball pressure, and ambient pressure that does impact the kick. Those are statistical in nature, and so is the game of football

Ifs don't matter. If we assume perfect accuracy for every kicker, a lot of games would be different. Same with no fumbles or turnovers. But that's football. Saying it doesn't count or isn't indicative of your team's potential because of turnovers or missed kicks is like saying the Browns were amazing in 2018 or the Vikings are an amazing team because they would have won a bunch of games with competent kicking. It's just pointless speculation.

my point with the turnover was it didnt actually happen
it "hit" the guy but the ball didnt change trajectory and from one angle you can see a gap

And Justin Tucker is the best kicker of all time that had a 100% accuracy rate for extra points. That doesn't make the Ravens' loss to the Saints any less valid, nor does it somehow mean the Ravens were "better" and the kick was somehow a fluke.

You cannot take data of a player's overall statistics and expect them to perform at the same high level every single game or else it's a "fluke", or guys like Drew Brees would be untouchable. Averages don't pan out to guaranteed results, and there's no reason you should think they do. Having a bad game is, in fact, statistically expected.

He’s 30 years old and not married. Dead giveaway

sometimes the better team loses especially with an outlier event that doesnt happen in the vast majority of games. You can still fairly estimate which team was better despite the outcome because football is not deterministic from the players' or coaches' perspective

Poetic meme justice. How will he cope when the team wins an owl?

Being 0-4 the last two years running is not a fluke, it's a trend. The problem is you view the Packers as the "strong" team and the Lions as the "weak" team, but that's not how it works out. The Lions lately are Packers cryptonite. You can make all the excuses you want, the Lions have swept them two years in a row and in recent years Rodgers has had trouble beating the Lions.

You're going too far out of your way to handwave all of this shit away. This situation really isn't any different from the Patriots playing in Miami. Miami was an absolute dumpster team last year and, on paper, Brady should beat them 100% of the time. But for some reason he sucks in Miami and loses to the "inferior team".

The point being it doesn't matter what we see as the strong or weak teams. The only thing that matters is the results, and averages don't dictate results.

>Not wanting to lose all that money because she asks for a divorce not even a year after marrying her

Seems pretty smart?

This isnt comparable to a single missed kick. With a .99 percentage, a kicker would expect to miss one out of every 100
a kicker with .85 percentage missing 5 out of 6 has a .000387 chance of occuring, or one out of every 2584 games, over a 30 year career assuming they make 6 attempts in every single game. If they make 6 attempts in 3 games a season, they would expect one game out of an 861 year career.
If flukes exist in football (which we know random variables exist independent of coaches and players), this fulfills whatever criteria you choose

correction: he's 30 and hasn't been publicly mowing through hot gfs like the world's ending tomorrow. by age 30 Derek Jeter had already dated Mariah Carey, Jordana Brewster, Vanessa Minnillo, Bridget Hall, Lara Dutta (former Miss Universe), Joy Enriquez, and Jessica Alba. Rodgers has... dated Olivia Wilde?

>This isnt comparable to a single missed kick. With a .99 percentage, a kicker would expect to miss one out of every 100
Except leading up to that kick, Tucker had 100% accuracy over 7 years. By your logic, he should never miss a kick, and if he does miss a kick that costs the game, then the loss doesn't count, because the expectation according to averages/statistics is that he will never miss.

>a kicker with .85 percentage missing 5 out of 6 has a .000387 chance of occuring, or one out of every 2584 games, over a 30 year career assuming they make 6 attempts in every single game.
And a kicker with 100% accuracy has a 0% chance of missing an extra point at any time no matter how many games they play. Yet it happened. Trying to use statistics in this manner to excuse losses is irrelevant. It's like whining that Malcolm's Butler's interception was a "fluke" or Drew Brees breaking his arm is a "fluke" or whatever other thousands of statistical improbabilities you want to cite to try and make excuses. They happen fucking constantly.

The reality is, the players playing the game know the rules, know how to score points, know how to win, and all events that occur within the game are at the sole behest of physics, the players, and how they respond. Football isn't numbers, unexpected things happen all the time. The wins and losses are not any more or less valid by statistical probability. You could use your same logic to excuse virtually any loss in NFL history.

>Being 0-4 the last two years running is not a fluke, it's a trend.
the trend is being 3-0 against backup packers quarterbacks, and 2-0 given theyre out of the playoffs
>The problem is you view the Packers as the "strong" team and the Lions as the "weak" team, but that's not how it works out.
my personal roster and scheme analysis yields the packers being the better team, and the evidence given a (somewhat) healthy quarterback supports it
>The Lions lately are Packers cryptonite. You can make all the excuses you want, the Lions have swept them two years in a row
*packers backup QB kryptonite
my hot take is they wont play a backup QB this year
>and in recent years Rodgers has had trouble beating the Lions.
Rodgers is 2-1 in the last 3 games played against the lions. In the loss they had a 6:40 time of possesion advantage, 273 more yards, 2.3 more yards per play. Basically the packers were better on offense and defense in the loss in detroit. And it was on the road too

basically you have no arguement, youre just claiming my arguements are invalid

You're just full of endless excuses. I've made much more cogent arguments than you. Nobody cares about "should have" or "would have" or "the numbers say this if I look at them a certain way". They care about wins and losses.

It's obvious you're a Packers dicksucker because you have no objectivity and feel the need to defend literally every single little thing about them. So I think I'll just treat you like the fanboy you are.

7-9. 6-9-1. Enjoy your decline, Rodgers isn't ever getting another ring, faggot.

>says nigger
>liberal
Just check the archives

what will be the Patriots' record in the season where they finish under .500 for just the second time under Belichick, when will it happen, and why will they still win the AFC East?

>Except leading up to that kick, Tucker had 100% accuracy over 7 years.
my calculation used total kick percentage, not just extra points
>And a kicker with 100% accuracy
doesnt exist, even ignoring external variables
>Trying to use statistics in this manner to excuse losses is irrelevant.
there are random events in football that can prevent the better team from winning. Don't even dispute this
>It's like whining that Malcolm's Butler's interception was a "fluke"
the cool thing about statistics is they quantify probability and make it comparable. An interception is like a million times more likely than missing 5 out of 6 kicks in a game, especially considering the redzone. Wherever you want to put the probability cutoff for a fluke definition, the crosby game is past it
>The wins and losses are not any more or less valid by statistical probability.
The loss is forever on their permanent record and helped keep them out of the playoffs. I'm not invalidating a loss, I'm saying it isnt good evidence for the continuation of a trend, using the details of the loss to estimate future win probability, which is entirely validated by probabilistic events.
>You could use your same logic to excuse virtually any loss in NFL history.
probability is comparable, and there is an acceptable range for outlier events

maybe you shouldnt flaunt your casual ignorance if you dont want to be called out

nigger is not the only racial slur he uses.

even still, excusing statistics entirely because they arent perfect is the most brainlet response to any kind of quantifiable analysis. They are just estimations but they are much more powerful than brainlets give it credit for

Maybe Rodgers just isnt interested.

packers have had a higher record for 11 of the last 12 years, what do you think about that trend?
or are you just going to say those numbers dont matter either?

Getbradys6thknee is a samefagging retard with like 8 tripcodes. Just filter all of them

imagine being Old Bay

Both of these are correct

Brushin' off the haters

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Ok...so when it happens, will you actually give credit or will you keep being a cunt?

ik, ik dude, making/missing a scoring opportunity can change coaching strategy, execution by the offense/defense might be different etc. I just saying that in a vacuum if Crosby went 4/5 instead of 1/5 in that game his team would have won

Barkley is the only offensive weapon on the gnats.

>Next

Bill's owl 2020

>my calculation used total kick percentage, not just extra points
No, it didn't. Because Justin Tucker's total kick % is 95%, not 99%. You used a lower number because the argument absolutely destroyed yours, because it proves how stupid your logic is. Tucker had 100% accuracy on extra points. By your logic, he should never miss an extra point. He did. Argument over. Past statistics and probability don't matter to the results of the game or excuse losses. Crosby missed the kicks, and Green Bay lost to the Lions. End of story.

>doesnt exist
It did exist. Tucker's extra point accuracy was perfect until he missed versus the Saints. According to your logic, that game doesn't count, because Tucker should never miss an extra point according to his accuracy stats.

>there are random events in football that can prevent the better team from winning. Don't even dispute this
Oh, so you're just fucking retarded. Got it. The entire job of football players is to deal with that "randomness" and win. If they can't, they're losers. Outside of external factors like referees, this excuse holds no water. Players are responsible for their own physical play, and teams are responsible for their losses. You lose, faggot.

>I'm not invalidating a loss
You absolutely are. You are using past statistical data to make definitive statements about what team "should" win, and considering any result contrary to that a fluke by analyzing and citing underperforming players. Which you could do for any team that loses a game it is favored to win by seeing which players did not perform up to statistical snuff. It is completely irrelevant. The Crosby "outlier" you're citing happens far more commonly among NFL players than you think it does.

The only people sleeping on the bears are gb and mn... everybody else passively thinks about them

which have more insecure fanbases?
north divisions or east divisions?

West

AFC Least

>I just saying that in a vacuum if Crosby went 4/5 instead of 1/5 in that game his team would have won
And I'm saying this is an utterly pointless thing to say. If my dick were 16 inches, my life would be different. If if if if if. If's don't matter. Crosby is on the Packers. He failed to kick those field goals. It happened. They lost. End of story. It doesn't matter if you run a simulation and the Packers would have won that game 95/100 times. They lost it. The same way Hillary Clinton lost the election. The same way Brady continues to lose in Maimi despite being a consistent 2:1 to 4:1 favorite to win there. The same way the Miami Miracle happened as an "outlier". The same way a hundred other outliers happened during the 2018 season.

None of it matters or means anything. "If" doesn't fucking matter.

Na I know my team is garbage and the pats are going to steamroll us again

NFC North is the most sensitive. Packers, Vikings, and Bears fans are the most vocal and annoying on this board probably. AFC North is a close second, but mostly because of Old Gay shitting up every thread.

>my
>us
proved my point

>"If" doesn't fucking matter.
I would know, man, seeing as one of the biggest "what if" scenarios in sports history would involve >my team probably not being indirectly responsible for us having this exact conversation, not that we'd actually be doing that right now in that case.

They'll take him in Cincinnati

North > East > South > West

She didn't appear to consent by cheering him on...right?

>How about you show some respect for a fucking legend
Leave this board if you can't handle banter. Fucking pussy.

You're 40 and not married with a giant anime collection...who the gayest of them all?

>(You)

Fetal Alcohol Syndrome is serious business.

you should see a doctor then.

>t. that turbo-cringe Old Bay dicksucker who is most likely OB with his trip off

This nigger looks like like he has downs syndrome

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totes probs

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What is it about the bears that makes old gay seethe so hard? Is it that Trubisky is a better runner and passer than Lameme will ever be?
Lameme cannot even make webm related

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Obvious samefag

reminder that gaydgers faked an injury on the way to a lions 31-0 blowout win at lambeau after he realized they were going to stomp him

>totes

Forgot to delete your trip there buddy

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already did fren

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>You used a lower number because the argument absolutely destroyed yours
??? 95% would expect one out of 20, even greater difference than one out of 2458
>Tucker had 100% accuracy on extra points. By your logic, he should never miss an extra point.
he had 100% SAMPLED probability, its an ESTIMATION. While the estimation is not perfect, its close enough because of the significant sample size. We know the true probability is not 1.0, but its very very close. Therefore a single miss shouldnt be surprising
>According to your logic, that game doesn't count, because Tucker should never miss an extra point
my logic is there is such a significant difference between missing one kick and 5 kicks that they arent comparable events. I already claimed no player has a 1.0 probability of kicking, apparently I need tell you what the difference between and estimated and pure parameter is. The probability is QUANTIFIED and thus COMPARABLE. You cant just dismiss one by making a false comparison
>Outside of external factors like referees
I also claimed the lions were given a free redzone possession at the beginning of the game because of refs
>The Crosby "outlier" you're citing happens far more commonly among NFL players than you think it does.
probability is COMPARABLE

I'm not invalidating wins or losses. I'm saying I'm using probability and statistics to PREDICT the matchups between the lions and packers in the 2019 season. You seem content on using head to head record to predict it completely ignoring the details of the games. Im disputing using head to head record exclusively because it is variable and further analysis is more accurate.
Apparently the irony escapes you of sticking to your vastly simplified statistic to predict something when we KNOW it is just an estimation, but all these other estimated statistics dont count. At least you try to fix your cognitive dissonance by handwaving away the variability of wins and say theyre somehow deterministic

>me and brady's sixth knee ring samefagging again

>yfw the crowd booed him off the field
I was in tears at the shit show. God bless the fudgepackers

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>all these seething

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what are you arguing about?
if the packers would win 95/100 times then dont you think their is a great chance theyre going to win the next two? You cant just point to the two wins this year, invalidate the details of the games, and just announce the trend will continue because wins are deterministic
The packers lost, Im over it, but I predict theh wont get swept again because they are a better team with rodgers on the field than the lions

Have the Patriots ever had a non retarded tripfriend? Even the Turk is a servicable poster despite his racial handicap.

>i filtered bradycuck guyz even though I wont stop obsessing

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old gay still obsessed. stop it's just sad

I'm watching Strong Opinion Sports' new vid on Manziel in retrospect, and how his skillset and hype in college didn't translate at all to the pro level. Good vid overall.
This is probably a stupid question, BUT:
Has there ever been a quarterback who was definitively below-average in college, that turned out to be a great pro-level quarterback?
Great in this case being on the level of, say, Carson Palmer or Steve McNair: considered one of the best in the league during their peak but quite not a guy you'd put in the all-time top 25 QBs; not a journeyman who accumulated value and reputation as a reliable stopgap like Fitzmagic or Testaverde; and also not guys like Brady who got slept on big-time in college while still being good.

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>I'm not invalidating wins or losses. I'm saying I'm using probability and statistics to PREDICT the matchups between the lions and packers in the 2019 season
Which is utterly fucking pointless. Might as well just cite 538 and call it a day. You'll be wrong 33% of the time practically by default because you're not making reads, just citing raw probability. This approach isn't an actual intelligent analytical approach to predicting the outcomes of games, because as said, by your logic, you would have lost money on Brady in Miami the last 5 or so years. But people that actually pay attention to those trends and specific matchups and games have a better handle on them. Citing raw statistics like kicker field goal % to try and say whether a game counts or not is fucking stupid to begin with, and retroactively citing those kind of statistics of underperforming players to excuse the loss and say it isn't a trend or predictive is just bullshit handwaving nonsense. The Packers have lost to the Lions the last 4 times they've played them, and all you have is a mountain of excuses.

Your basic bitch opinion of citing favored teams to always win games is just tiresome nothing. I recognize your faggy Packers posts and you aren't some statistical wizard, you're just a basic Packers dicksucker that has 100 excuses for why they sucked shit in 2018 and why they'll be amazing in 2019.

Just remember these threads you retarded faggot, because I will be rubbing the Lions sweeping the Packers in your retarded face while you continue to make excuses for why it doesn't count and the Packers "should have done better" since they're "clearly the better team".

>Patriots got another suspended player at the start of the season
Looks like they're winning another Superbowl.

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Here, as my last (You), I'm going to show you every time a fucking favored "strong" team lost to a weak bitch team in 2018. Because you seem to think it's this amazingly rare event for a player to underperform badly, and it fucking isn't. It happens every fucking week. Roethlisberger went from a perfect passer rating against the Panthers and utterly destroyed them one week to having a 0 passer rating for an entire half against the god damn Jaguars. Player performance is not as stable as you think it is, nor is team performance/outcome. Get fucked, faggot. No more (You)'s.

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Hey faggot, you forget to delete your trip? Jesus you are one colossal fuck up.

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>Benjamin Watson suspended for PEDs

Wonder if he regrets coming out retirement now?

Me and Brady's 6th ring

youtu.be/IbKKNo6-69o

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What is this fucking autism

Single gayest post in /nfl/ history

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Reminder Eli Manning is easily top 10 QB and a shitton better than Baker Manlet
Giants will win more games than the Browns this year guaranteed

Old Gay is really, really not gay.

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>conversation/debate is autism

Jones > Manning

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>Eli Manning is easily top 10 QB and a shitton better than Baker Manlet

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7 rings soon

Thats embarassing

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And that's the problem. You're biased. No matter how many times the Packers lose to the Lions, you'll automatically assume the Packers will win their next game against them because they're "better" in your head. The same way stubborn Patriots fans will continue to insist that this year, Brady will win in Miami. They're right sometimes, but they're usually not.

That's my point. I wasn't saying the Packers will actually win 95/100 times,I don't believe that for a second. I also, as said, don't care about "if".

>you're not making reads, just citing raw probability. This approach isn't an actual intelligent analytical approach to predicting the outcomes of games
are you fucking dumb? I went into detail all the reasons why the packers lost despite being better (in my opinion) in detroit. I am NOT exclusively citing raw probability, Im doing the OPPOSITE. I fucking cited box score statistics showing the packers were much more effective at moving the ball, but you completely ignored them. I have never invalidated the whole game because of kicking woes, only ever claimed it was part of the problem. I also provided analytic approach of why I think the packers will make schematic improvements. You ignored those too.
>people that actually pay attention to those trends and specific matchups and games have a better handle on them
yet here you are claiming the 4-0 trend what matters and completely disregarding all of my ACTUAL analysis of the games. I'm looking at WHY trends exist, not just expecting them to continue to exist. Do you think missing 5 kicks is a trend that will continue? Are you content disregarding the things that arent trends and strawmanning me into disregarding hypothetical analytical approach that you never provided?
>The Packers have lost to the Lions the last 4 times they've played them, and all you have is a mountain of excuses.
this is just a trend you have built all your arguements out of without any "intelligent analytical approach", going so far to completely disregard all of my analysis
again, I'm not invalidating any losses. I'm saying missing 5 of 6 kicks in NOT a trend that will continue, nor is it a common event. Kickers are not QBs and are empirically much less variable. You just seem confused and angry with a very short memory

>Thats embarassing
what's more EMBARRASSING is cheering for a team whose HC who is more famous for manufacturing a fake scandal to discredit a team who beat his in the ploffs on the way to a Super Bowl victory than actually winning a Super Bowl, and using his image in a positive way unironically
desu

No. Getting exposed as a samfagging nitwit is far worse. Keep playing that victim card though patrishitter.

youre just ignoring and disregarding all the reasons I went into great detail why I support my predictions then strawmanning me into pretending it doesnt exist

Turn your trip back on, faggot.

Wrong, all wrong. Also you new england types are the biggest crybabies, even when you win you still whine about your pussies hurting.

The turkbro is the worse, ill give you that.

>agrees with Pats fans, therefore he must be one
sound reasoning, if you are a sub-100 IQ blowhard like >92996980

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These posts times really make you think

It's literally just old gay with his trip off

>reddit bay
>having any credibility

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>are you fucking dumb? I went into detail all the reasons why the packers lost despite being better (in my opinion) in detroit. I am NOT exclusively citing raw probability, Im doing the OPPOSITE. I fucking cited box score statistics showing the packers were much more effective at moving the ball, but you completely ignored them.
What you did was cite specifics that support your argument(efficiency per possession) and handwave away every other incidence of the Lions outperforming the Packers on special teams. As someone already pointed out forever ago, special teams, kickers, etc are part of the team. The Lions special teams rekt the Packers, and it's the reason you lost. They were fucking crushing Rodgers at home too before he pretended to get hurt to avoid embarrassment. But I'm guessing that game doesn't count either because they already missed the playoffs. Excuses excuses excuses. Anything that doesn't fit your cheesehead faggot headcanon doesn't count.

>I also provided analytic approach of why I think the packers will make schematic improvements. You ignored those too.
I'm ignoring them because they're pure blind optimism. There's nothing to say. You just say "I think every recruited player is going to work out great, the head coach is going to work out great, running game will be amazing, Aaron Rodgers will do great, everything will go great". There's nothing to say to that. It's an unsubstantiated opinion.

My only response is "No, it isn't. The Packers just came off a fucking terrible season and most of the things you're saying will be awesome are. in reality, question marks that you're just assuming will work".There's no analysis, just "it's all great". Me, I saw a weak Packers team completely rudderless in 2018, and the changes I see to the roster don't instill any faith in me that they'll do way better in 2019. I see them missing the playoffs and maybe improving by two wins.

Okay, I promise my autism is over now. You can have the last word.

profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2019/05/26/ben-watson-suspended-four-games/

Why cant they stop cheating bros?

>here's your coach, bro

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Lamar Jackson was 6-2 as a starter last season

there's tape now, it's gonna be 2-6 in the first 8

why does Old Bay call us bros when none of us, except for his alternate trip-less persona who thinks we are constantly "seething", are or will ever be his bros?

>le tape meme

Wasn't he carried by a #1 defense though? How good was his offensive output even with the running game? Did he outdo Flacco?

>ever grouping me in with bradys18-1
die

>le Old Bay meme

The Ravens running game was shit last year until lamar took over and Gus Edwards was made the feature back.

3/9, 25yds, 1 INT

>running game
>qb took over
If you don't see the writing on the wall you're the dumbest motherfucker that ever lived on Kent Island.

Yeah but I'm asking about his overall output compared to Flacco. I'm not a Ravens fan so I don't pay attention to that shit. Did the overall offense go up with Lamar or not? Because going 6-2 compared to Flacco's 4-5 doesn't mean much if the defense did more work for Lamar or the offense output didn't increase. Not sure if either of those are true.

Yes and no. They didnt score as much but they had extended drives every possession and won the time of possession for very large margins.

>500

kek, every fuckin time

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>Lions special teams rekt the Packers, and it's the reason you lost
what are you talking about? In detroit, the lions punt blocker pushed kevin king into the ball, but the ball didnt actually hit him. Other than that, the lions didnt do anything special on special teams in that game. The lions could barely move the ball, and the packers marched up and down the field. There was no big returns or blocked kicks that made a difference. In other games it didnt matter much either because shutting down the backup QBs isnt much of an achievement. Is this the best arguement youve got?
>I'm ignoring them because they're pure blind optimism. It's an unsubstantiated opinion.
If you have disputes with any of my analysis, I rather you reference them directly instead of disregarding them altogether. I have plenty of stats and comparisons why I think the changes will be improvements, or why some things they are already good it will remain. My arguements are the opposite of blind optimisim (even if they are optimistic). I will list all the susbtance and evidence if you ask
>The Packers just came off a fucking terrible season and I saw a weak Packers team completely rudderless in 2018, and the changes I see to the roster don't instill any faith in me that they'll do way better in 2019
I dont think they werent a team without promise though. They kept the rams, patriots, bears, seahawks all tied until late in the game (on the road too), and I can reference the biggest issues I feel kept them from winning the games. The reality is they played a lot of very close games against good teams and lost the majority of them. One of each of the vikings and lions matchups were close too. It isnt like the got trashed all season.
After all I predict a 9 or 10 win season, thats only 2 to 3 win improvement anyway (they should have been 7-9 anyway)

Bart Starr thread?

New tread

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i want an answer on this aswell

>2 time superbowl mvp who just had his highest completion percentage of his career and lowest int rate percentage in his career last season
vs
>some roided up browns sophomore qb that is gonna get ragged by his division and every opponent next year
Giants will get maybe 4 wins over Cleveland