>Undefeated in Camp Nou since 2009
>All his team has to do is not go away and eat 4 goals a game
>they still do it
Also last season they were undefeated in league and Messi had to do some charity event in Africa on the final match day and his team lost to Levante allowing 5 goals. How can this be possible.
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He should have defended better
He could've blocked 2 of the 4 goals , Clearly as a attack midfield defending goalkeeper he should've stopped those goals.
They lost at the Camp Nou this year dumbass
he should've played every position including coach and goalkeeper
what, he can't do that? then he is NO GOAT in my books sir.
that one moor from portugal could do it and won so-and-so back to back without even doing all that, he's the real #GOAT
possibly one of the worst players ever
truly shocking how much he's overrated
it's his fault because his hatred autistic hatred of change, his love for unchanging routine, caused this.
if his aging friends from the midfield and defense had been replaced with younger, better players, this wouldnt have happened.
Now De Ligt doesnt want to go to Barca because he knows he would be benched by Pique.
This but unironically. Messoy btfo.
>Spend £300m on Ousmeme Dembele
>*Misses one on one*
You shouldn't have to win 4-0 at home to have a chance of progressing
>le 100 million/year salary to never make it to the CL finals
how does that not make him the most overrated athlete in sports history?
He’s the best performing in all tournaments so he gets the highest paid salary
Messi covers up massive ineptitude at coaching and board level
Why pay 100 million a year to never win?
>give 7 clear goal scoring chances to your teammates
>they can't even score 1 (one) (uno) (ein) (un)
>it's Messi's fault
Choker
Because then they’d lose the best player in the world. And they are winning tournaments anyway.
When a player as dangerous as Messi is playing you don't push for goals as much as you'd do otherwise because you want to keep more players in the back. Why do you think managers always play with wingers instead of 2 strikers when the opponent is playing 4 defenders? so the fullbacks have to stay back and not overwhelm you with numbers in your own half. Tactics 101
Can't wait for him to choke another copa america away.
all he needed to do was score once and his team would advance, he had his chance and blew it. Again. last season against Roma he also could've put the final nail in the coffin but he didn't
he's a choker alright.
He should've joined City when he had the chance, Barca are poorly run
>Best player in the world
You don't need the best player in the world to win the CL
>Winning anyway
Nothing relevant
You need him for marketing reasons
why can't messi fanboys admit that he's a mental midget?
What exactly did he do wrong in the away game?
He didn’t cause Alba to make two mistakes that led to goal.
He created 3 good chances that his team mates wasted.
Same reason why ronaldo fanboys can't admit that he isn't the best player in the world I reckon.
But it's pretty obvious to outsiders, messi is the best player in the world that's why barca wins the league most of the time because it's less pressure when you can comfortably lead but they can't win the cl because it's do or die.
So why do Real Madrid make more money?
Because they don’t have more stars like Messi. Also it’s based in the capital of Spain.
>Real Madrid has less stars
>Therefore it makes more money
Because they have more star players.
Why can't they win the league tho?
Why can't Barcelona win the champions league?
>le 100 million/year salary to win 4 CLs (3 of them pretty much on your own) and 784651 league and cup titles
He won 3 CLs, and Barcelona could have easily won the other irrelevant titles without him
>blew 4-1 Balloon Door lead
>blew 4-1 CL lead
>blew 3-0 lead in the CL semi's
uefalona and messi fans would have you believe that without him this team would struggle to finish in the top 6
2006, 2009, 2011 and 2015
>Barcelona could have easily won the other irrelevant titles without him
>winning La Liga and Copa del Rey without his 30+ goals a season
>literally like 99% of the times guardiola, tito, martino or luis enrique took him out, barca lost or drew
lol
Because they don't have refs on their side anymore, now answer my question.
Huh. Wasn't he on the pitch against Roma and Liverpool? They still lost. In fact, maybe they wouldn't have been eliminated if uefalona had fielded a player that actually defends instead of walking the pitch.
>ah those anfield nights.
sorry barca bros it just happens
Real Madrid threw away the league in 2015-16 and 2017-18 for the CL, just like Liverpool did last year and Tottenham are doing this year, because big clubs know their priorities.
>2006
Doesn't count
Messi haters are insect freaks. His main downfall is that he has negative charisma and shouldn't be the captain of the teams he plays for. Barcelona and Argentina needs a John Terry type to rile them up.
missi was pretty shit desu, one goal fell to him and one deflected set piece
here Yes it does, you stupid abo. He played. Several times. Scored. He won it as much as all his team mates.
I was referring to Barca
Didn't play in the QF, SF or F. He was irrelevant to them winning
If having the best player on the planet does not result in your winning the most important title or making the most money, why pay them 100 million every year? You could buy a new elite player every season just by not paying him
Because they still win league titles and kings cups and he is their most valuable player. They don’t need to stop paying him to buy more players as we have seen.
He was behind van Dijk when the ball fell to him. Van Dijk literally stopped moving while Messi passed him and got the ball
>They don’t need to stop paying him to buy more players as we have seen.
Except they do, because nobody cares about the league or the cup half as much as the CL
Who is nobody? All the plastics outside of Catalonia?
Should Liverpool stop paying Salah since they have won nothing at all in over a decade?
>he group stage is irrelevant
>the first knockout stage is irrelvant
idiot.
he was ahead of van dijk when it fell to him, he had been behind and adjacent when it hit the bar, irregardless it fell right into his path so unless van dijk was stood directly in front of him it didnt really matter
never thought then van dijk criticism after the first leg was jusitified beyond the first goal which he was slow to pick up on the suarez run
Liverpool aren't paying Salah 100mil a year
He had 1 goal and 1 assist in 1 group stage game. No goal involvements in any other game he played
imagine being an anti-messi SEETHING incel
>why doesn't he score 4 goals to win?
name one offensive player who needs to literally be ahead 5 goals to advance in knockouts or they risk losing because their defense collapses
even France scored 4 goals and Argentina could """""only""""" score 3.
Messi was behind van Dijk and slightly to the left of him, watch it back
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This video has a screenshot of it
Van Dijk froze for some reason but Messi kept going. If van Dijk kept going he could have blocked Messi since he’s taller.
Cristiano had to score 3 to get his team past the round of 16. A great player rises to the occasion no matter what, but Messi never does. Whether his team needs 3, 2 or just 1 goal to go through, he never delivers. All the talent he has is wasted on him. Let's hope god can overcome his sick sense of humor and never make an autist a goat candidate again
Lol
>goat candidate
he's already proven to be
i mistyped, i meant messi was behind and to the side, it still fell right in messis path as i said, didnt matter van dijks reactions desu they never wouldve been quick enough to beat messi to the ball which was 100% a toe poke tap in every time
Yeah, no. Maybe to Americans and Catalunyans, clueless fans basically, he might be. But no one respects a player that always chokes in decisive moments as GOATs. Potential wise Messi could've been top 3 all time at least, but his weak mentality held him back.
Van Dijk always stops people in that position because of his long legs and speed. That’s what he is famous for. Van Dijk could have definitely blocked Messi and at the least he should have tried and not stopped. He also could have beaten Messi to the ball SINCE HE WAS IN FRONT OF HIM.
Yeah, yes.
Mate, literally everyone calls him the GOAT now even the media. His stats are beyond anyone else even at 32.
He should share his stack with them so they can all become roidgods.
>Van Dijk always stops people in that position because of his long legs and speed
no, it was a fast rebound which fell directly into messis path, van dijk didnt have a chance to stop it
He can't win more CL's and international trophies than Cristiano, his only rival in this weak era who's played in weaker teams than Messi over his entire career, and he's the GOAT? You europeans know jack shit. Cristiano's consistency is remarkable but at his peak he might, he just might break into the top 10 of all time. I'm not sure he does... yet Messi who had potential to rival Maradona/Pele/R9 cannot lead his teams to win WCs, Copa Americas or even CLs? Pathetic. What a joke.
Why are you basing a players skill on the number of team achievements he has? He is by far the most skilled player of all time.
And regardless Messi has gotten to more international finals than Cristiano while also carrying his team. Cristiano won the euro because fucking Eder scored after he was injured. He certainly didn’t carry his team there.
missi is weak mind
head immediately to the ground as soon as ginis first goal went in
ronldo went off injured and inspired his team from the line, imagine being so inexperienced in sport you cant comprehend the differences
Let me ask you something. If you're a great player, no matter what sport, but you only play well against shit teams, can you still call yourself great? That's the problem with Messi. I have no problem admitting he's talented but if he never delivers in the moments extraordinary players are expected to shine, what else can you call him but overrated/a choker? Come on man, you can't blame his team mates forever.
Hope your joking retard. Messi kept trying and gifting his team mates chances that they wasted. This has happened all season. Suarez should be on 30 goals by now but he has been missing tap ins all season.
And again CR7 did not carry his team to the final.
Except that he does perform against good teams. France, Liverpool, Bayern, Tottenham, Brazil, Atletico, PSG, Man City, Chelsea etc etc.
>ronldo went off injured and inspired his team from the line.
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>France
They lost
>Liverpool
Awful in the second leg
>Bayern
4 years ago
>Tottenham
Shit team
>Brazil
In Friendlies
>Atletico
But not in the CL in 2013/14 or 2015/16
>PSG
4 years ago
>Man City
4 years ago
>Chelsea
The worst Chelsea team since Roman took over
This is bait
He still performed well against all those teams and more.
>France
>Brazil
You're joking, right?
Yes he might have never won anything for his country, yes he might choke when it matters, yes he might not have legendary Champions League moments against teams not named Arsenal or Leverkusen but...
I will never forget that hat-trick, in the middle of March, against Betis Sevile, to put the point gap between Barca and Athletico in 25 points.
Truly the GOAT. Cant wait to see what he will do against Eibar this weekend
2 assists against France
>scoreboard
>France
I hope you don’t mean the game from this WC mate
2009 and 2011 United and the final is not the only round that matters
Why can’t you retards understand that the huemonkeys point is wrong? He still performed well against them. It’s not his fault that the defense is shocking. He did very well in his role
The only reason Argentina seemed like they had a chance against France (they never actually did in the slightest) was because of Di Maria's crazy blooter which messoy had nothing to do with.
And I bet you're retarded enough to rate that one Brazil hat trick messhit did that was actually in a friendly against the U-23 team Brazil were going to take to the Olympics.
Damn I’m still not wrong though. He performs well against good teams.
>performance matters more than results
At least he tried his hardest I guess
Yeah he surely showed that in the away game against liverpool just a couple weeks ago and in all the finals he disappears in.
Performing well half a decade ago means nothing. Why couldn't he perform in Rome or Anfield?
>All the finals he disappears in
>still has the most finals victories of any player
>still has the 2nd most trophies of any player
>still makes you seethe
Really? You’re just gonna lie to try an argue now?
By doing that you are admitting he’s the GOAT since you have no legit arguments.
He did
Chile and Germany called, they said thanks for giving them those trophies.
>post-xavi messi
oh no no no no no
Also again using bullshit arguments. According to you his achievements mean nothing if he’s under 25. Give me a break. Ronaldo dropped off significantly in his late twenties and is still considered one of the best.
Not an argument
>According to you his achievements mean nothing if he’s under 25.
What does that have to do with anything?
>2 golden boots in a row
Damn Messi’s a fraud
Not an argument
>Not an argument
lol I'm giving you straight up facts, retard.
he choked like a bitch in 3 straight finals and lost them I don't even need any arguments you messoy cocksucker.
What are you even trying to say? Nothing I've said in this thread as discredited Messi due to his age
He could win with De Ligt who would inspire his defense by screaming unlike KEK PIQUE who is an absolute waste of space along with Busquets but guess what? De ligt wont go to Barcelona since Pique is vice-captain and doesn't want to sit on the bench. Messi's career in a nutshell. Wasted.
You literally keep saying anything that he did a long time ago doesn’t count.
That doesn’t mean he isn’t the GOAT.
He’s a fraud because he bottled 3 finals in a row and got hammered by roma and slipperpool back to back. This guy gets heaps of goals against spanish farmers home and away but vanishes outside of his own stadium on big stages. Check how many goals he has away from home in the CL knockout stages this season mate, it’ll make you laugh
What he did in 2004/05 and 2005/06 doesn't count because he wasn't relevant to them winning, not because of his age. Like I said in 2005/06 he had 1 goal and 1 assist in 1 group stage game of the CL. Replace Messi with Freddy Adu and they still win that CL
He has like 25 goals against the top 6 in the “best league in the world”.
>Performing well half a decade ago means nothing. Why couldn't he perform in Rome or Anfield?
Nothing counts for you if it doesn’t help your non arguments.
so why couldn’t the GOAT score one goal at anfield?
>de ligt won’t go to Barca
The fact that you actually believe this...
no wonder you cant win a stanley
Messi played against same opponents in the same league in the same conditions as did penaldo. What is the score?
If in the champions League played only the champions of their respective countries how many times penaldo would have taken part?
>i rate a flat track babby over a big game charlie
Imagine spending all of your time talking about the same athletes and having the same garbage arguments every day
The league is harder to win then knockout tournaments. That’s why zidane didn’t focus on the league so he could actually win something.
Starnge when you ask xavi and iniesta who is goat what they answer. Probably that in their minds they are the best
>That doesn’t mean he isn’t the GOAT.
The biggest systembabby and choker in international football history can't possibly be considered the GOAT.
you're just as "clueless" as I and these catalunyans then since we're all here posting on this board mate. Messi was GOAT by 2013 and has raised the bar far more than any player before him has since then, and he's probably the most complete footballer by now looking at his stats for this year and last. People are just spoiled now since he brings outrageous numbers every fucking season, and he improves on them as well. Everyone has their lows, including your favorite player. But I bet your favorite player hasn't been nearly as consistent as Messi
Except he is by almost everyone lol
>lower variance is harder to win
now say it with correct math
isnt that what Yea Forums and pretty much all sports forums are about?
Even zidane said the league is harder to win.
Yes everyone who is extremely biased like or just retards that can't face the fact that he's a choking bitch and a puking mental midget.
So most professional players are retards and biased? Ok.
he's the fucking captain, you retard
all he does when his team concede a goal whether it's Argentina or Barcelona IS STARE AT THE FUCKING GROUND
what kind of a fucking idiot makes someone like that a captain
absolute mental and physical midget
Damn he stares at the ground? MESSOY FANS BTFO.
Kek
thats not what i asked
If they ignore that he chokes while walking around the pitch looking down and vomiting at the slightest hint of pressure when he's out of his comfort zone, then yeah, they're biased and retarded like you.
>stares at the ground
Well no shit the team as a whole isn't doing as well in this post xavi/iniesta era. Messi, pique and Busquets are all still quality but having two of the most talented midfielders of all time leave your team would hurt any side. To no surprise though Messi has become even MORE complete as a footballer, maintaining his goal record and adding more numbers to his game that a traditional midfielder would have. Stay mad Yea Forumsee
Kek keep trying man. He has the best stats in the world at 32 and it isn’t even close.
2 trebles, 5 ballon dors, 5 golden shoes, highest goal scoring record in a year and everyone thinks he’s the best ever
do you think they would have been destroyed as they were at Anfield if they had had a more suited captain? every single fucking shot of him he was just looking at the ground looking like he wished he was somewhere else eating pizza and drinking Sprite while Antonella was blowing him
imagine that Fortnite manlet Griezemann being the captain of Atletico
>make a big speech about bringing the CL trophy back to barca
>choke and get railed by origi
Really activated my almonds
>people asking why a FORWARD can't do what the midfielders and defenders in his team are choking
I see him consistently dropping deep af to create chances AND he's making more tackles/ interceptions each game I see. but nothing will be enough for these shitposter
They have multiple captains in each position. It doesn’t matter who wears the armband they’re all world class players that were shook especially Coutinho and Alba.
What does that have to do with 2004/05 and 2005/06? Why don't you just admit that Messi was irrelevant to them winning
He’s a Colombian contradicting the worlds best players and he’s calling them biased. The irony.
You do realise that captain in football is not as captain on a ship! What is he supposed to do? Go and teach them at half break how to defend and give Suarez dembele and couthinnhio crash cours of scoring 1v1 with the goalkeeper. You fucking idiot.
>that one moor from portugal
Lmfao
That's silly, but the croatian does have a point. When you're supposed to be the best player in the world and the team is basically playing for you it doesn't bode well when you sperg out at the first sign of trouble. Did you see his face when Liverpool scored the first goal? He felt it was over. He did the same shit against Chile in the finals, and against Germany. First sign of adversity he crumbles internally and shows it. When the other players see it, that sends the wrong message. It's like if the coach was covering his eyes during penalties, it's just a sign that there's no confidence in you.
If you look at Ronaldo, the players look to him and he'll bitch and moan but he'll motivate people to do shit. The Euro final was the best demonstration. Had Messi been injured he would have sulked on the bench or asked to be taken to the back. Ronaldo cheered everyone on and even gave Eder a fucking pep talk before going on, telling him he was going to score the winner. Ronaldo inspires confidence during adversity, Messi tells you you're fucked.
So let me get this straight. Ronaldo led his team to get knocked out by some kids in the quarter finals?
do you not know how to read? I even summarized it for you.
>He felt it was over.
He felt it was over when Dembele missed a free goal. He knows his defense is fucking shit but there is NOTHING you can do to displace Pique who will likely be on the Barcelona board as soon as he retires.
based inspirational cristi
Keep trying man, he's still the biggest choking bitch in international football history and a systembabby, and it isn't even close.
3 lost international finals in a row, a pathetic amount of goals (and incredible amount of vomiting) in 4 whole world cups and 6 Copas America, and dumb retards still think he's the GOAT because of statpadding and youtube compilations against Depor and Betis.
Oh I see. Ronaldo makes for a great cheerleader but when he’s on the pitch he bottles it for his team.
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Just like you said before, not even close to being an argument, retard messoy cum drinker.
'no'
Who is the GOAT according to you?
Ronaldo is the greatest in the tournament format, that's not even up for debate nigger. Messi can't cope. They're both frauds in my eyes though.
*walks*
>bottles
he had to get another hattrick to save his team lad. If a team has to rely on a 34 year old man to score multiple hattricks in knockout stages to actually advance then they’ve got way bigger problems
With how many more games played?
more than Messi becaue that's how tournaments work. The more you win the more you play.
He’s also 2 and a half years older.
why is ronaldo getting brought up in this conversation
So now Messi’s failure in the UCL isn’t his fault since they depended on him?
That's a question not an argument.
I know that
Do they not teach you how to read down there?
messi also grew into an elite team , utd couldnt reach the qfs when ronaldo was a kid, barca won the treb vice versa
Do they teach you comprehension?
Barca won the treble because of Messi in 2009. Ronaldo also won a lot in the same time. They even won the treble before Barcelona
>2009
i talked 2006
ronadlo layed more KO games by virtue of being a big game player undebatable he has like +20 KO goals
>juve gets knocked out because they were too reliant on one player
>barca gets knocked out because they were too reliant on one player
>Yea Forums calls one of these players a fraud and says the other one needs better teammates
Neither are frauds desu
doesnt a lucky rebound and deflection count as reliant?
If he scored 12 and Coutinho and Dembele scored 3 then yeah
if ifs and buts were candy and nuts he wouldnt have stared at the ground and bottled a 3 goal lead at the fist sign of trouble like a little manlet gayboy would he
Is this the new meme argument? Staring at the ground like that changes anything?
it doesnt change anything thats the entire point you idiot
Why not criticise him for standing still too brainlet
>Messoy scores against irrelevant shitters
>"omg based, he's the goat!!!!"
>Messoy goes missing in a big match
>"OMG HE NEEDS MORE HELP"
You don’t even know what that means burger
Stop larping
And still everything good in that game for Barca came from Messi. You don't have to act like an angry chimp when things are not going your way. He provided three perfect assists which released his teammates in position to score and they didn't. To be honest I would look at the ground otherwise I would have to go and give them a slap and you can't do that with teammates. No one is perfect.
yeah standing still is smart
thats why he kept staring at the ground in anfield and lost 4-0
based lazy intelligent too try to try to try to try missi
I missed the part where he made Alba make two blunders and had the defense look away on the corner
>mfw if Messi scored just one goal in the away game against Liverpool none of this hate would be coming his way
did you miss the part where alba put him with clear tap in for an away goal leaving liverpool needing 4 more goals and removing any momentum lamo pathetic
You retard it was alba that was released by Messi and instead of shooting from 10 yards he decided to pass it back to Messi
unironically this
Never happened. In fact the opposite happened many times.
>>Undefeated in Camp Nou since 2009
This isnt close to being true no matter what context you frame it. Remember when they beat Madrid 4-0 in the Bernabeu without him? Grabbed 30/30 points in a title winning season without him in 2013? No? Of course.
What is even the point of this thread?
yeah 6 yards infront of goal and he didnt even shoot lamo pathetic
are you implying a left back wide on the left of the box should pass to messi in the middle of the goal?
i thought messi was good?
This is as objective as it gets. Although I believe Messi is in fact a better footballer than CR7, he is not as complete and his personality makes him a poor leader and a mental midget.
The ball never got to Messi retard. Clearly you didn’t watch the game
Messi as a footballer is as complete as they come. You dont know shit about football
literally LITERALLY took a touch and got dabbed on by a free transfer >schalke player
>Messi as a footballer is as complete as they come.
I meant a complete striker. A complete striker has the physicality to score in all situations. Messi cannot stay stationary in the box all game and just have the team cross the ball to him to score; Rolando does this and he does it exceptionally well, he is a better number 9 is what I meant.
Messi creates his own chances and chances for his teammates aswell.
His downfall is that both his opponents and teammates know he's the best player by far on the field. He gets too much attention. His teammates fail to capitalize on that because the coaches strategy seem to revolve around Messi. And even when he's benched everybody just assumes he'll play eventually and score.
Barca has become addicted to him. It's testament to his abilities that he's able to function when needed even when every defender's attention is at some level fixed on him.
They should loan him out to Premier league for a season. Just to get Barca go through cold turkey and become a team again
I really hope you get paid for all this angrily defending midget chokers on Yea Forums
>inb4 Messoy chokes again to Chile
twain?!
>Undefeated in Camp Nou since 2009
not true
he did no such thing
he just said they'll try
kek
Messi is miles ahead. I've hardly ever see a pundit, player or coach say he is anything other than the best in the world. twains cope
Pundits payed by a corporation who make money on hyping messi say he's the best in the world? What a fucking achievement.