"Go support someone else"

manchester 60% actually voted more strongly to remain in europe than liverpool 58%

fans of my team complain about bad refereeing decisions all the time and they're always comparing apples and oranges regarding transfer values
>if top 6 premier league team sold a player for 50M to another top 6 premier league team why can't we sell for the same amount??
they were comparing the transfer of walker (tot-city) to nelson semedo (benf-barça)

I just felt like having a moan

Support your local club, you melts.

why would anyone support policies that purposely set out to make them poorer? if you like thatcher you should not support liverpool.

Didn't say I did supported those policies. Just meant the world is a different place to how it was then and some political ideas make more sense to me than others but for the majority of Liverpudlians it's high treason to agree with anything remotely associated with the Tories. At no fault of their own they're blinded to any other ideas

again, why not? we're talking about a political party who consistently redistribute wealth and power from the bottom of society to the top.
>At no fault of their own they're blinded to any other ideas
the range of ideas represented in institutional politics is very narow, so that doesn't hold

Thatcher didn't make them poorer, Liverpool city council did most of the damage themselves with appointing literal militant marxists to their council positions.

When they overspent vastly on the councils budget they got fucked by spending caps that the conservatives had put in place.

They were basically doing what south africa has done and said "LMAO FREE MONEY" and destroyed their communities for 20 years.

this post makes me hungry

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If those are your political opinions that's fine, but I don't see why someone should be told to "support someone else" because of that. Politics and football are separate entities.

let's call it "upper management"
they always find a way to ruin my team

Our supporters can be very unjustly arrogant sometimes. Our management can also be a asshole from time to time

Autists in this thread can't understand a joke

That our chairman refuses to pass power over to wealthier investors who can take the club forward. He keeps knocking people back but only invests enough to keep the club ticking over. He has now threatened to cut funds if our attendances don't go up to 1,500.

>Thatcher didn't make them poorer
that is a lie. neoliberal theory dictates that a minimum level of unemployment must be maintained in order to regulate wage claims. Thatcher allowed a third of British industry to go out of business and knowingly failed to replace those jobs. the Militant council that they elected was part of an effort that would have easily defeated Thatcher had enough Labour councils had the guts to follow their lead.

>When they overspent vastly on the councils budget they got fucked by spending caps that the conservatives had put in place.
so it was the fault of the conservative central government? the council were well within their rights and means to spend that money, but Thatcher had an ideological opposition to state spending, because state spending = redistribution. There is absolutely no causal link between the actions of the city council and the social fractures seen in the 80s and 90s. the fault lies with the people with actual power.

>Politics and football are separate entities.
imagine being this fucking thick

>Proving my point exactly with your deluded "my way or the highway" ideology.

Imagine being this fucking thick

What ideology? I was just expressing some facts about Thatcher, I can cite them if you like. People are starting to notice your predicament my friend.

What the fuck is a manc?

plural version of mong

someone from manchester

Someone from Manchester, beaten only in the non-human stakes by Scousers and Weegies.

IT WAS THEM BLOODY TORIES WHO DID HILLSBOROUGH

I didn't read anything that you aimed at the other guy, just making the point that you are militant in your hatred of Tories (whom I don't even support myself) so much that you don't want people that agree with anything the Tories have to say supporting Liverpool FC. Your only comeback was to call me thick

A fellow HSV lad...
For years, I've believed in them and although times were hard, I always thought that they were merely a shadow of their former self. Now I realize that this belief was way too optimistic, the club has been dead all along. No other club in sports history has been this ruined and destroyed by incompetent functionaries. 132 years of club history down the drain, hated and jeered by everyone. And soon to be forgotten.

I unironically can never watch football again, it hurts too much. How could they let this happen?

why tho

But I don't hate tories. I was soberly recounting facts about them. Supporting the Conservative party is at odds with supporting Liverpool FC because the latter implies a connection to the area.

XD Well memed bro

away fans at every club are arseholes

The council overspent significantly, in an illegal way by any government's measurement for twenty years prior. They were stealing the taxation of other areas of the UK to fund a failing city.

Millions and millions of pounds going into radical leftist groups and corrupt officials you mongoloid. The Conservatives created legislation to counter this and it worked, if the scousers weren't so fucking thick they wouldn't have destroyed their own area.

And de-industrialisation had been happening since the 70's most of the failing industries had been kept alive since the first world war on government life support and public spending was through the roof creating massive inflation. No government for a decade did anything of any value, Thatcher's methods were harsh but shocked the system into eventual economy and was a necessary evil to fix a failing state. Read a book you nonce instead of just listening to what your retarded mill worker parents tell you

You've never been to an away match?

away fans are fine, it's the literal ultras and "NORF F.C" types that are the cancer. Cringey boomers who are in denial that they're not just customers.

Seems our wires have been crossed somewhere. I agree Thatcher fucked over the North in it's entirety and I don't support the Tories either, nor all of their individual policies. Just don't understand how supporting Liverpool prevents me from agreeing with any individual Conservative policy. That was my point when I said football and politics are separate, you might disagree but LFC are a worldwide club now and whenever I speak to a scouser it seems at times they'd prefer it if only scousers supported LFC, despite all the benefits of the contrary. Maybe I just don't get it because I wasn't born in Liverpool

The budget was set because of the devastation caused by the long term deindustrialisation that you yourself mentioned and the huge short term damage wrought by Thatcherite economics. You are right to say that places like Liverpool were on a long term relative decline. The solutions offered by Labour and the conservatives in recent governments had absolutely failed to get those places to recover but they at least offered a lifeline to the people in those places. Nothing radical was ever tried to help these places: Thatcher was radical but in a way that cut those places off and focused all efforts to generate wealth in London and the South East. Thatcherism was certainly not inevitable or necessary, this is pretty obvious from the way that her policies weren't actually that close at all to pure neoliberal ideology.

>retarded mill worker parents
I can assure you that I am comfortably middle class.

It just comes down to whether or not you think it's good to support a team you have little or no connection to.

My connection is mainly a family one. I didn't pick a club as a kid based on the club's political beliefs. Who does?

Because we had not so stellar european campaigns and our supoorters thought we could have won the Champions League with that team

We actually could, but under different circumstances. Not Vítor Pereira's fault. He did a great job

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I apologise for the ad hominem, It's often the case that you just get blind attacks from Liverpool fans with a siege mentality that everyone else is the problem.

I agree that Thatcher certainly didn't help but neither did the Conservatives actually promise to solve unemployment when they were elected in 1979, the privatisation and so on was an initiative to restore responsibility to people and encourage a home-owning society. Whether it worked or not is up for debate but I just feel that they certainly didn't help themselves.

I'm from a very strong labour area and working class parents, though I'm not a labour supporter myself

You can do what you like, but it should be pretty clear that the most representative Liverpool supporters are the ones from Liverpool itself, and that they're likely to have similar political views. If someone is a fan from outside the city and is a tory, it's pretty easy to see that they'd be seen as an outsider, just as a scouse communist would be thought of as an outsider by Chelsea fans for example.

It's fine, politics makes me angry too. I think that the rhetoric about responsibility and a share owning society was the surface ideology, but deep down the neoliberal project was one of redistributing power and wealth to the top of society. Global growth during the 80s and 90s was piss compared to the 50s and 60s, despite Thatcher's 'there is no alternative' bollocks. And yes you're right that the tories were pretty honest about what they were doing, and that a lot of people liked it, but that doesn't make it okay. A lot of that comes from the fact that Labour failed those areas and the country generally so badly in the 60s and 70s. The easiest thing for the city council to do would have been to go along with the changes she was making and accommodate to them, despite the huge social fractures they caused, such as the heroine epidemic. Militant in Liverpool and Coventry, similar to the miners and the poll tax rioters, were justly using unconstitutional means to try to defeat policies they understandably despised.

What's a weegie?

I think everything unfortunate about being a liverpool fan has been pointed out multiple times in multiple threads.
Ive only worn the shirt once out in a public and never again out of shame.

Its such a stereo-typically popular club that i dont even feel a sense of comradery in it anymore. I had the chance to see em play when they visited here not long ago and didnt bother cause id be another mook in a sea of normies.
Past the point where i could care enough to support anyone else so im kinda stuck with it i suppose.

Keep following Liverpool but go and watch your local team too, even if they're shitty

>What is it about your own club you detest?
that we became Chelsea filled with mercenaries as the Chairmen keeps buying players for shirt sales

also theyve catered too much to the disabled and now the, even small and almost ineffective, singing section is going to get broken up to make way for more spastics in wheelchairs

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a glaswegian

My team has a ton of controversial ref calls go their way because our league is rotten and one of the most influential names in the committee is a big fan
so like every second win is tainted by at least a false offside call or something to the point where it stops being a coincidence
the worst are the fans who are actually gloating about that, and it sucks when I can't talk about local football without someone being butthurt about it

>the fans
Too many dumb boomers still living in the past, only complaining and incapable of taking a single action that helps boosting the club. Too much biclubista scum among the younger fans. A weak sense of perseverance has taken over the fanbase in the past decade. Most people gave up hope.

>the managers
Leeches who use the club to save their personal companies and pay for expensive meals, trips and cars. Saving the club is the least of their priorities.

retard fans that are asking for the coach's head every time we have a bad streak, this has gotten slightly better over the years, but even this year they were chanting "marcelino dimision" and we are in a cup final, in the europa league semis while also fighting for top 4, this season has been a trainwreck yes, but if we win a title everything will be worth it and i will be so happy

Should I talk about the policies of the Ontario Liberal party for the last 15 years and how the mess they left the Conservative party to clean up. I could make it vaguely sports related by claiming that Leafs fans are all Liberals.

I won't because I'm not a fag (but I'm gay enough to make this ironic post), if you want to whinge about politics

That they only ever try half the time. We could easily be challenging Manure for 6th but no, Arnautovich needs to forget how to play for half a year

Palmeirenses are self-entitled annoying pricks.

have title

Só quando tem algum patrocinador mimando eles, se não eles são Botafogo tier

The chants for "independence" at the Camp Nou. Barcelona should be a fucking inclusive club, keep your politics out of this.

Being corneteiro has always been part of Palmeirense identity, winning or not.

SEETHING

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I love Palmeiras, lad. But I'm no hypocrite.
>tfw I have a t-shirt made by based Oberdan

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>>Politics and football are separate entities.
>imagine being this fucking thick
can you please explain how you think sport and politics aren't separate entities?
and then when you've done that, explain how you attained the level of hubris to call someone "fucking thick" when they don't conflate two completely different things. Make sure you speak slow and use simple words though, I'm not a scouse socialist genius like you.
cheers, pal.