Could've had real teams with actual supporters getting promoted

>Would you want to invest in Norwich or Sheffield?
If they're in the Premier League then yes.

>If you're a top talent do you want to go to those clubs?
When the question is "Do you want to play in the Premier League or the EFL Championship?" there's usually only going to be one answer.

this is fucking hilarious

if other clubs like leeds and villa tick those boxes, how come they aren't first and second?

The second goal was an absolute worldy that no goalkeeper would have been able to save.
Leeds fans are deluded

IAMT

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Not to mention that Marshall has been confirmed as never playing for the club again by Adkins: twitter.com/bbcburnsy/status/1120362985481023488

Put all your money on Hull getting relegated next season. They're in an absolute state:

Seething lmao.

>could've had real teams with actual supporters

Both Norwich and Sheffield Utd have a fairly big ground and get higher attendences in the champ than the lower half premier league clubs. They are nothing like Bournemouth or Burnley

And sheff Utd's academy is ranked amongst England's best. They are a club that should belong in the premier league

>leeds
>talent

>Zoomer

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At least post something recent and not from ye olden days when Leeds were a top flight club.

Reminder Leeds spent 8 million on Patrick donkey and sheff Utd got sharp and mcbergkamp, and Norwich got pukki for f r e e (0) £zero

>Patrick Donkey
The name is Patrick Sausage Boy.

>Investment
Top kek, Norwich and Sheff Utd have barely spent anything and they're going up 1st and 2nd because they are managed properly and have good, hardworking players. Hell, Norwich won 8 matches in a row recently with a group of 11 players, 6 of which were free/youth signings, and the 11 in total cost less than £6m.
Spending tens of millions every transfer window doesn't guarantee anything, just look clubs like Villa, Leeds, Derby and Boro. They all play at being "big clubs" but are languishing behind because they have no plan or identity, they just feel entitled to be in the EPL but don't want to have to earn it. To reiterate, spending doesn't mean shit.

People always do the "wahh why is this club promoted instead of muh Villa, they'll only go straight back down!" and are usually proved wrong, see:
>Swansea (when they went up under Rodgers)
>Norwich (under Lambert)
>Southampton (Adkins)
>Bournemouth (Howe)
>Leicester
>Watford
>Huddersfield (survived their first season when no-one gave them a hope in hell)

Norwich is a boring club but Sheffield Utd is cool.

I was talking investment once they get into the Premier league, Newcastle could be above United and Chelsea if Ashley wasn't such a tight arse, clubs like Leeds and Villa could attract these type of investors

Norwich has a kino crest and good colors.

>Spending tens of millions every transfer window doesn't guarantee anything, just look clubs like Villa, Leeds, Derby and Boro. They all play at being "big clubs" but are languishing behind because they have no plan or identity, they just feel entitled to be in the EPL but don't want to have to earn it. To reiterate, spending doesn't mean shit.
On a related note, Sunderland have done the exact same thing in League One and look where it's got them.

>clubs like Leeds and Villa could attract these type of investors
I'm pretty certain neither of those clubs' fans would want a chairman like Mike Ashley.

Any club in the premier league can and will attract investors. Besides, with all the money that comes with promotion, outside investment is hardly even necessary unless you want to become a GLOBAL MEGACLUB or want to game the system like Wolves.

based Deutschebro

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>Besides, with all the money that comes with promotion, outside investment is hardly even necessary unless you want to become a GLOBAL MEGACLUB or want to game the system like Wolves.
This. OP clearly has no idea what he's going on about and is having an aspie tantrum over one of Leeds or Villa not getting promoted.

It is necessary if you want to challenge the top 6, for clubs like Norwich and Sheffield and alot of the recent clubs that have been promoted, no disrespect intended but that isn't one of their ambitions, for them just being in the PL is enough

Genuine question: how old are you? Saying the top 6 is the be all and end all of the PL is a ridiculously uneducated and narrow-minded view.

Old enough to remember when Leeds, Villa etc. used to do so called big clubs like Tottenham and Chelsea on a regular

The current premier league is a joke and it's a result of clubs with zero ambition who are just happy to be in the league continuing to be promoted, why do you think all these point records are being broken

>Old enough to remember when Leeds, Villa etc. used to do so called big clubs like Tottenham and Chelsea on a regular
I'm sorry but I don't believe you for one second. You're sounding more and more like a nostalgia-fagging kid than someone who actually lived through the late 1990s/early 2000s.

>The current premier league is a joke and it's a result of clubs with zero ambition who are just happy to be in the league continuing to be promoted, why do you think all these point records are being broken
So every single club in the Premier League should be aiming for top 6 regardless? Do you genuinely think that, for example, when Huddersfield were promoted in 2017 that their ambition was "we're gonna finish top 6"?

For most fans of promoted clubs, staying up is all that matters in season #1. You get the rare occasions like Wolves where the ambition is clearly higher, but for most of the clubs in the PL after that first season, finishing midtable is the goal. Not going for top 6 for crying out loud.

What exactly are they meant to do? Without being taken over by a billionaire the chances of any club breaking into the top 6 are basically nil.

Tbh, there's not a single team in the championship this year that's not guaranteed to go down next year.

I wish it were possible to just run next season with 17 teams till the championship shitters get their act together.

>american opinions

Okay Mister Britbong Sir, please do let me know which team(s) from this year are going up. I'll go ahead and post the screencap when they all go right back down again.

I'm a 30 year old Boomer

>Who are Leicester

One of the saddest things was to watch that Leicester team be broken up, and it proves my point exactly, if you're not a storied team with history, investment and ambition, your just in the league to make up numbers

All 3 promoted teams going down the very next season hasn't happened for over 20 years and it won't happen next season. Your suggestion of running the league as 17 teams is absolutely ridiculous.

>I'm 30
Sorry, still not buying it. If you ARE 30 and have such moronic opinions about the Premier League then I pity you. Clubs get into the PL on merit, not on MUH 'ISTREE.

>Who are Leicester
Leicester was a literal one-off fluke season where every single "big club" was equally shit and they were there to benefit from it. That will never happen again.

>it proves my point exactly, if you're not a storied team with history, investment and ambition, your just in the league to make up numbers"
But Leeds and Aston Villa would be in the league to "make up the numbers" on their return (if that ever happens) which completely contradicts your argument. If their owners and fanbases genuinely think they would challenge for top 6 in the first season back, they are completely deluded.

Shite opinion, basically anyone in the bottom half of the PL this season is potential relegation fodder next year.

The gulf between the big Sky teams and the rest in the PL is only growing, probably moreso than the lower PL and Championship.

>Who are Leicester
Leicester didn't "break into the top 6" they finished top, once, as 2000/1 outsiders.

>if you're not a storied team with history, investment and ambition
The only one of these that matters is investment.

Pretty sure this top 6 guy has been crying all night across various threads.

They literally won the league

The Premier league is shite m8, Swansea could do Burnley on their day, the whole thing is a joke

>x could do y on their day
That's literally every league in the world.

Leeds are still going up, it's just through the kino route

Sheffield Utd is cool, plus the Blades is a badass nickname.

I remember a few seasons ago when Wednesday was having a good season like Leeds and were acting all cocky that they were going up instead of Its, only to bottle it in the end. Their fans must be seething at Blades' current success.

I know, hence me saying they finished top. Thats not breaking into the top 6, they aren't going to do it again are they? I'm not even sure what point your making as Leicester are a similarly sized club to Sheffield United and Norwich.

oh my god

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If that was a bigger club like Leeds all the players wouldn't have fucked off

Sheffield United are 6th in the all time English football league table, no history that lot.

The retard's train of thought is "why should clubs get promoted to the PL if they don't want to finish top 6"

You're deluded as fuck, pal.

I've seen it with my own eyes, stupid Zoomer, we weren't all born in 2006

Yeah certainly the likes of Rio Ferdinand, Robbie Keane, Jonathan Woodgate, James Milner, and Alan Smith would never leave Leeds a season after they finished top 6, just wouldn't happen.

>Leeds fluking a PL title wouldn't result in the bigger clubs signing their star players
You seriously believe this?

>m-muh sleeping giant club, muh 'istry

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I can't ever imagine Leeds stalwarts Eric Cantona, David Batty, Gary Speed and Gary McAllister leaving just a season or two after they won the league. Club's just got too much history for that to happen.

Top teams were knocking on the door for their players all the time and Leeds told em where to go
They were consistently finishing above Liverpool, Chelsea, Spurs until the whole mismanagement by the Chairman forced them to become a selling club

see
Your arguments are getting shitter by the post. Leeds and Villa are no longer big clubs. Accept that.

And then they sold them. How is that different from what happened with Mahrez? If anything Leicester have sold less of their team than Leeds did.

obviously hasn't actually watched the goals if he blames the keeper for this

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And City and Spurs are?

At this moment in time they are.

Lmao

More tinpot teams = less competition

Simple as

Leeds are no less tinpot than norwich or sheff u

So they're not bigger than Leeds and Aston Villa at this moment in time despite neither of those two having won a major honour in this century? You must be trolling to think that.

no they aren't

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Retarded bongs.
They are so delusional to think that Fat fuck FC will break into the midtable just because 'muh history' 'muh only whites' 'muh soul' grow up.
The only examples of this I can think of are Girona and Wolverhampton, and that because they were exceptionally managed and spent a shit load of money.

>top flight = all divisions

I'm not trolling I'm telling the truth, Spurs have won nowt and City would be nowt without the money, Chelsea would still be decent though

Seems like the truth is a hard pill to swallow

Girona are 16th in La Liga.

Sheffield United were shit hot in the late 19th century

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Last season idiot, when they had Machin.

Name 'one' player from Norwich

What's with this perception now amongst that unless a club can become a Top 4 mainstay within 2-3 seasons, they may as well not bother getting promoted to the EPL?

I can't wait to hear the night out in Sheffield song again in the PL

Gonna be funny as fuck when Neves ends up at City

>not shooting for the glory of the Europa League

>Spurs have won nowt
Spurs have won 1 less 1st Division than Leeds, 10 more domestic cups, and 1 more European trophy.

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>Wilder at 0:51

How do you not know any Norwich players? Pukki gets mentioned here more than all but a few.

>Spurs have won nowt
Won more than either of those two have since 1995.

>Seems like the truth is a hard pill to swallow
It clearly is for you. You can't accept that Leeds & Villa are no longer "top contenders" and have been surpassed by clubs who used to be beneath them.

Oh congratulations, 10th in their first season. Really doing a Wolves there, aren't they? Thick cunt.

Its not really a perception its one retard

Just sad watching these teams come up to have a little sing song and that's it

Sky coddled retards who have been taught to believe that only the Top 6 matter.

Meant English players produced by the club of Norwich

What should they do? The top 6 is a billion pounds away.

Ooh sorry is ur SkySports product under attack? Am I spoiling it for you when you stay up to watch Brighton vs Bournemouth at 12 o clock on match of the day?

For the clubs in OP it is, for others, maybe not

I see it on various football forums and twitter, mostly from Villa kiddies and Man Utd customers oddly

you also get a lot of Leeds fans claiming that the Premier League "needs" Leeds. It seems to be doing alright without your club, buddy.

The Murphy brothers
Sheffield United have produced loads - Maguire, Brooks, Kyle Walker

If Leeds came up through the playoffs you really think they can build to bridge that gap and challenge the top 6? Seriously?

>meanwhile he has to watch Leeds & Villa shit it out on Quest

Angus Gunn, Josh Murphy, Jacob Murphy, Ben Godfrey, current young player of the year Max Aarons, Jamal Lewis, Todd Cantwell. James Maddison if you count players bought as teenagers as "produced".

You'd be hard pressed to find a club thats brought through more English youth players than Norwich in the last few years.

What?

It is for every club. Money is the only thing that matters.

Chris wilder has some serious big dick energy

With the right management in 5 years Leeds or Villa could be back in the top 6, I've already said Newcastle should be but there's no money being spent

How the fuck are they going to compete for income with the top 6?

>If Leeds came up through the playoffs you really think they can build to bridge that gap and challenge the top 6? Seriously?
Probably the same sort of moron who thinks Derby & Forest should be in the PL by right and competing for Top 6

United and Chelsea aren't that good, those are big clubs

>With the right management in 5 years Leeds or Villa could be back in the top 6
They will not be there without sheer financial backing fron oil money of some kind. You are fucking deranged.

im living in Leeds rn and I defiantly think the city this big with such a passionate fanbase should be in the PL. not to shit on the other clubs like Derby/Forest but when Leeds lose the entire city feels a bit shaky

its still comedy gold seeing them fuck up again lel

An underrated aspect of Leeds' mighty choke and Villa underachievement every year is that a part of it is down to the arrogance and entitlement of the fans

>With the right management in 5 years Leeds or Villa could be back in the top 6
by your deformed and demented logic, the same applies to about 15 other clubs in the Championship.

Yeah they're big clubs in terms of local support but that doesn't mean shit these days. How are they going to match the top teams for income?
And before you say some oil baron, being a big club with history is hardly a prerequisite for buying success

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>An underrated aspect of Leeds' mighty choke and Villa underachievement every year is that a part of it is down to the arrogance and entitlement of the fans
Same goes for Sunderland.

Oil money is more likely to come to a clubs and cities like Leeds and Villa than it is to Norwich and Sheffield, was Leicester a Oil team? They did it. I'm talking facts you're just flinging insults

>when Leeds lose the entire city feels a bit shaky
must've been like an earthquake over this easter weekend.
but in all seriousness, "pashun" (ie. taking football so seriously that your club losing actually affects your day) is not a valid measurement of whether a club should be in the top division or not

>The PL is great la
>B-but you can't compete without Oil money

Leeds and Sheffield are pretty much the same size

>valid measurement of whether a club should be in the top division or not
If only we had some sort of system for working out who the best teams are each season

Don't think that's true, Leeds is like a proper city

yes, and currently Norwich (the small yo-yo club with no money or famous players or 'istry) are the best team.

have you even been to leeds?
elland road in particular is a shithole

>Oil money is more likely to come to a clubs and cities like Leeds and Villa than it is to Norwich and Sheffield
It really isn't.

>was Leicester a Oil team? They did it.
You have been told that was a one-off yet you ignored it. Same goes for Blackburn's sole PL-era title; they got relegated 4 years after winning it!

>I'm talking facts you're just flinging insults
You aren't talking facts. You're spouting utter shit all triggered by Leeds choking like fuck against Brentford yesterday.

Yeah been a few times, Sheffield feels like a random outpust off the M1, Elland road is quite cute, small but loud

Its much more likely to come to a London club like Palace, West Ham or QPR.

>QPR
>2019
WEW

Sheffield actually has a bigger population apparently.
Leeds also only has 1 football club, compared to Wednesday and united

Sad, but true, more tinpot clubs for tinpot billionaires

Every time I've been to Leeds some middle aged drunk twat has tried to fight me

Leicester and Blackburn aren't big clubs

aren't Wolves (a midlands club based in the irredeemable shithole of Wolverhampton) owned by one of the richest families in the world?

Leeds United literally have films made about them

Not the argument at hand in relation to the top 6. Stop moving the goalposts.

...

So does Sheffield United

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Leeds is good as a student playground with nightlife, ketamine, and pills and piff uni girls. That's about it

>was Leicester a Oil team? They did it.
You're all over the place, Leicester are an example of a small club doing what you are insisting is only possible for a >big club to do, your OP would have equally applied to Leicester when they got promoted.

>Sheffield United
Holy shit, does this means he has a chance to break his curse of not being champion since the 19th century?

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Why are you all still awake at 2am?
Don't you have work you benders

That means nothing. You were told earlier that Leicester winning the title was not a sign they had broken into the "Top 6" yet you persisted to say otherwise and are now changing your argument.

alri lads

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What was that about

about Sean Bean trying to be a sheffield united player

When small clubs do it, they can't sustain it, that's the point, at least a bigger club could consistently challenge, as their fans, even though they have been starved of it, expect this type of success

does he die in it?

>at least a bigger club could consistently challenge
Leeds / Villa / [enter "big club" here] can't even consistently challenge in the Championship, let alone the Premier League

no but his brother does

>leeds are a big club meme

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>Bolton are a bigger club than Lelds
OH NO NO NO

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how the hell is the Championship season over before the Premier League?!? They play 44 league games! What about league 1 and 2, they play in an additional Cup as well.

wtf? Are you saying chelsea made 7.6mil a year in the past decade? That's less than palace on that chart and palace only got back in the prem a few years ago.

I call bullshit.

>Sheffield Wednesday are bigger than both Leeds scum and pigs.
UTO
WAWAW

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Sheffield United is the most club I've ever seen. I've never been able to support a English because they all seem to prefer foreign mercenaries over local British talent. I got some friends in Sheffield as well so I guess I found myself a new club.

Most based* club

Playoffs

Burnley do the same tbf

cos theyre tinpot

Because spectators sports are for entertainment
Having a team with no ambition that only wants to stayin the top division for a paycheck is the opposite of entertainment

but both Norwich and Sheff Utd have ambition, they're not going up just to 0-0 their way to 17th like Brighton have

sheffield is pretty based though

For me, it's Derby to win the play-offs

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>Really wanted Leeds in automatics for the bants next season
>Now we'll have to take them out after the tesco bag shites

Feels bad man.

For you, it's overwhelming disappointment

Jokes on you, I'm already immune to that shit

Aston Villa is literally whats wrong with football. They spend more money than 99.9% of the teams in the world only to not even secure direct promotion and if they dont even get promote they will just spend even more next year because theres no way to punish this shit system they have for franchises disguised as football clubs in England.

Someone post that gif of their Chinese owner jumping on the middle of the pitch during half time while everyone clapped and sang his name. They finished like in the mid table that year

>teams outside the top 6 simply have no ambition
I think they're all actually trying mate. Maybe just the massive financial chasm caused by millions of bandwagoners of top 6 clubs is quite difficult for any club to deal with.

>No Spurs
>No Chelsea
>Man City 8th '
Proof that City has more history than Spurs & Chelsea

Pukkipukkipukki

BASED

>hurrr why do teams who accumulate more points get promoted
leeds and villa's ambition would be to stay up each year.

>le German mercenary team
FUCK Norw*ch

>meanwhile leeds and villa are full of passionate honest brits
yeah no lad. go fuck yourself

>hating on based zimmermann

he was about to give up on football and become a teacher when he got the call to join norwich, that's why he's putting everything into each game, he's a top lad

>Southampton (second straight year in this situation)
>Burnley
>Cardiff/ Fagboys survivor

You do realize the Norwich has a knack of surviving their first season back up in the Premiership, don't you? I'm sure if Villa or Leeds go through via the play-offs, they'll probably stay up on talent alone imo, but their financial backing wil most likely will put them over the top imo.

they signed players that were desperate to play and give their all for Norwich, that's the opposite of 'mercenary'

yup, in just two years he's gone from the 4th tier of Germany, playing part-time and about to give up on football, to captaining Norwich to the Premier League. Zimmermann is based and anyone that can't respect that is an enemy of football. Oh, and he signed >for free

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This man will be capped for England within the next 12 months

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This man will be the England first choice goalkeeper for the 2022 World Cup

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Whats the most ideal 20 teams we should have in the epl?

>Leeds still think they're a big club

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my 20 favourite clubs

doubt it, he's behind Stones, Maguire, Keane and even Tarkowski

He's better than Keane and Tarkowski

Arsenal
Aston Villa
Blackburn Rovers
Chelsea
Coventry City
Crystal Palace
Everton
Ipswich Town
Leeds United
Leicester City
Liverpool
Manchester City
Manchester United
Newcastle United
Norwich City
Nottingham Forest
Queens Park Rangers
Sheffield Wednesday
Southampton
Tottenham Hotspur
West Ham United
(AFC) Wimbledom

Disastrous

Hey fuck you, 94/95 was my first sticker collection.

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Absolutely kino
Feck off, zoomer.

You rarely see them but when they do appear Aston Villa supporters have to be one of the most deluded bunch of fans I have seen on this on board.

holy shit this is hilarious, they spent 50m this year only to finish 13th

youtube.com/watch?v=iCTX6j9p21s

they are fucking mentalists

>file called "ideal prem"

nah

replace bolton with leicester
replace sheffield united with watford
replace sunderland with southampton
replace blackburn with crystal palace

you're basically there though

Absolutely fucking perfect.

sounds like Stoke this season

I'm sure both clubs would finish top 6 in the EPL though, they have money after all

expansion to 22 clubs, when???

it used to be 22 back in the first 3 seasons

definitely not Wimbledon or QPR

>ideal premier league
>1/5 made up of literally whos and meme teams

Leeds, Villa and Forest need to come up but it's taking forever.