Virgil van Dijk:

I recall 3 times recently that they've done this

>gerrard
Won the champions league around the time they were saying it. Also won awards to show it too.

>Torres
Actually was the best striker for around 2 seasons. Was at his best during Spains international dominance

>suarez
Was really fucking good and Barcelona got him, still one of the best in the world.

while van Dijk is vastly overhyped, stats say virtually nothing about how good a defender is

This. Considering two of the three are goals and assists.

youtube.com/watch?v=apjtTqavJQM

Then how about trophies?
Mustafi: World Champion, Confed Cup Winner, FA Cup Winner, English Super Cup Winner, U-17 Euro Champion
van Dijk: Rainy LaLiga Champion x2, Scottish Cup Winner
hmmmmmmm

How this horrible cunt fooled his way to the top will always be beyond me.

this guy has a world cup medal
lmao

This and that.

tackling percentages are irrelevant if you don't tackle much, brainlet

fucking brainlet. stats speak for mostly everything, while coefficients can tell you the rest

Fuck off Porto fag and come back when you're as good as watford

Where’s the stat that shows Van Dijk standing in positions that prevent the opposition of even trying to play a pass?

There's no stat for "occupying the space" because that statistic would be rendered arbitrary by the positioning/movement of the player who is making a run to receive the pass. There would be too much interaction between the two variables

Mustafi goes full retard a lot, his "mistake" against Palace happens all the time.

requesting the Palace webm with him bonking into Zaha's black cock right outside the 6 for no reason

van dijk trophies last 2 seasons:
0

whoa

Wow. Thinly veiled ABL thread. Great point OP. Maybe next watch the actual matches instead of being an autist reading stat lines behind a computer screen.

I think the stat lines actually appear ON the computer screen, don't they?

>Mustafi: 2.14 tackles per game, 74% success
>VVD: 1.35 tackles per game, 72% success

Not rating Mustafi is the ultimate brainlet trait.

Interceptions per game:

VVD: 2.3
Mustafi: 2.13
Kompany: 1.96
Luiz: 1.94
Stones: 1.25
Sokratis: 1.09

Imagine not rating Mustafi as arguably the top CB in the world.

Duels won per game:

VVD: 6.8
Mustafi: 6.8
Sokratis: 4.7
Luiz: 4.6
Kompany: 4.6
Stones: 4.0

>yfw you're talking shit about Mustafi

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mustafi haters confirmed low IQ

Aerial battles won per game:

VVD: 4.6
Mustafi: 4.1
Sokratis: 2.0
Stones: 1.9
Kompany: 1.8
Luiz: 1.7

>per game
OH NO NO NO NO

Imagine buying into the (((media))) narrative that Mustafi is a bad CB because no one wants to sound racist by blaming Lacazette and Aubameyang for missing every single chance created by Ozil and the rest of Arsenal's stacked midfield.

>no one wants to sound racist by blaming Lacazette and Aubameyang for missing every single chance created by Ozil
Oezil isn't even in the top 10 creators in europe lmao

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>2018-19 season where he's been injured for half the season

>injured
fun way to spell streaming fortnite on twitch

>Thinly veiled ABL thread. Great point OP.
shut the fuck up autist no one cares about whatever cunting team you bandwagoned. this thread was made to display the magnificence of Mustafi

Feyenoord has this to, it's just the pathology that develops. People who achieved great things in the past but not anymore often resort to words and memery. It's part coping mechanism, part fulfillment. That being said VVD is good and def top 10. Just not the best CB out there. He's not a freak talent like De Ligt. In some cases though absolutely the man you'd want for your squad.

Those stats don’t tell the whole story. If you think mustafi is as good as VVD then you’re brain dead.

>(((Those stats don’t tell the whole story.)))

>Those stats don’t tell the whole story. If you think mustafi is as good as VVD then you’re brain dead.

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Torres and Suarez were both the best strikers in the world when they played for Liverpool. They were so electric when they played there, almost every game was like a highlight reel when they played.

Did you watch the Arsenal vs Crystal Palace game this weekend? Mustafi was responsible for 2 goals given up and he missed a wide open header to score himself.

Care to elaborate on what’s wrong with what I said?

>stats don't tell the whole story, but my subjective opinion does

>Did you watch the Arsenal vs Crystal Palace game this weekend?

You mean the game where Arsenal had no defensive midfielders and were denied a clear penalty and Palace scored a goal because Jenkinson fucked up the offside trap so Arsenal had to attack extra hard to compensate, leaving Mustafi the only one to defend?

>You mean the game where Arsenal had no defensive midfielders
They literally played two DMs at once in Elneny and Guendhouzi, did you even watch the fucking game lmao

>two DMs at once in Elneny and Guendhouzi

bruh

bruh fr fr guendhouzi is a deep lying mid

I know Yea Forums is meant to be contrarian but this is taking it too far.

>Oy vey Moishe, there's a white Muslim playing for Arsenal and he's really good, and I think people are starting to notice.
>Don't worry Ezra, everyone has already got the memo: He's shit and is the root cause of all of Arsenal's problems and there's another young, culturally vibrant fellow playing for Liverpool who represents the future of the Premier League.

t.

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Jenkinson was responsible for fucking up the offside trap big time and Zaha fouled Mustafi for the goal everyone is referencing. Zaha's black cock made definite substantial contact with Mustafi's thick pale Albanian ass to an extent where you can reasonably say that he was fouled

>Win Rate 54%

What's this stat? VVD played every PL minute and liverpool have P35 W27 D7 L1 for a 77% win rate. Also, check things like Aerial duels and the like. Van Dijk makes much more of those and wins them all. Mustafi is always running back and recovering for a tackle. The aerials won't count as interceptions or tackles but that's like 90% of Van Dijk's contribution aside from yelling at Lovren.

no grug think best centerbacks go slippy sliding on the ground for every tackle like in the playstation games
grug no like positional awareness

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>Albanians
>white

So what you're telling us is that VVD is literally just a heightbabby? fucking pathetic, any team with skilled attacking mids/wingers who can hit a precise driven cross to the far post instead of sailing a cross into some tall no.9 can beat Liverpool (aka Man City)

Shouldnt surprise anyone, really

World Cup
Mustafi:1
VVD:0

Confed Cup
Mustafi:1
VVD:0

FA Cup
Mustafi:1
VVD:0

English Super Cup
Mustafi:1
VVD:0

Damn you anglos buy into literally any marketing meme (((they))) sell you. Up until a season ago literally no one knew who this guy was and now suddenly it's reddit in here

Not this again. Mustafi is an error prone moron... Even Arsenal fans don't like him. He cost them the game yesterday for a start. He may make more tackles, but that doesn't mean he is better; van Dutch man is a better reader of the game, has better positioning and doesn't make any where near as many fuck ups as that utter joke Mustafi

I'm sorry but we're going to need to see some uhm stats to back up what you're saying

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kek

How many players has he allowed past him resulting in a goal this season?
Im going to guess a fair few more than Van Dijk.

which statistic is this?

Mustafi has made 28 appearnces this season. In those appearnces Arsenal have only maged 5 clean sheets.

Van Dijk has made 35 appearances in which Liverpool have had 17 clean sheets.

Wow it's almost as if one team is built around attack and creativity and the other is built around possession and hard work.

When a ton of those games have Mustafi playing behind a midfield with Guendhouzi, Elneny, or Ozil, you can't really blame him

LADS LMAO look what i just fucking found, did Craig Burley literally bump into the past i posted in OP???
youtube.com/watch?v=HXHNKQMs4j8
Check this shit out, ESPN FC are literally just falling for shit tier Yea Forums bait

His brain switches off from overload at vital moments.

Elneny has played twice. Mateo (baby zidane) Guendouzi should never be questioned

This. Yea Forums laughed that Liverpool bought a random Southampton defender for a world record fee.
I certainly never heard of van Dick before

>Wenger gone
>Bellerin injured
>Xhaka plays well
>Özil and Cech benched
Arsenal fans love to scapegoat people and he's the only one left standing

>van dijk
>positional awareness
he stands on the fucking penalty spot all game waiting for balls to hoof out of play

liverpool play like 3 holding midfielders every game lol

it's why they're gonna lose the title because they're drawn more games than city

>Xhaka playing well
He only looks go this season because Torrera has been playing next to him most games and mitigating his stupid mistakes, and even with that he's still made the most mistakes leading to a goal of any outfield player in the league.

It’s because victimpool supporters are garbage people and because van dick is just a Dutch Chris Smalling

Granted the draws will come back and haunt Liverpool.

this

*opens the Andromeda intergalactic portal allowing an ancient race of gunship-size locusts to invade the Solar System thus ensuring the enslavement of every human on Earth including future descendants from this point on until forever*
> "..."
*watches someone kick it over the bar*
> "Uuuuunnnnhhhhh YEAH! Imperious defending from this man mountain. Oh god yes!!
> "01010100 01101000 01100101 01110010 01100101 00100111 01110011 00100000 01101110 01101111 01110100 01101000 01101001 01101110 01100111 00100000 01101000 01100101 01110010 01100101, Martin, 01100111 01101111 00100000 01100001 01110111 01100001 01111001."

Giorgini and Milner don't really hold though, they're both more like very hard working box to box midfielders with Giorgini being the passer for vertical balls forward to distribute to forwards

>and even with that he's still made the most mistakes leading to a goal of any outfield player in the league.
Surely that can't be because he plays ahead of a few donkeys in defense or he's given a ball at the very last minute in the CM/DM area by Matteo "10 seconds per pass" Guendhouzi in a compromising position that leads to a goal. Torreira is more inclined to quickly release the ball forward or to Xhaka in a non-retarded position so Xhaka obviously fucks up less with Torreira, its not like Torreira is directly mitigating his mistakes. It works the other way around. Torreira plays in a way that is conducive to Xhaka receiving the ball in better deep lying midfield or regular CM positions to punch balls forward instead of losing it

So let's break it down.

>Maths proves that Mustafi is better

Where as

>Some fucking loser idiot nerds on the internet think Van shit is better.

Lol. wow.

im an arsenal fan you retard. mustafi is dogshit and id cut my own dick off if it meant he never played another game for us

>mustafi is dogshit

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>he's a defensive mid
>he's a deep lying player
>he tracks back sometimes
>...
>Why mustafi no stop gols

The numbers only tell half the story. Liverpool play some sort of bitch ass possession football with 7 defenders at a time, so even if a player somehow manages to sneak his way through to Van Shit, he'll almost always be in a perfect position to dispossess him.

Arsenal players are almost all attack focused. Mustafi has to mark multiple players at a time and often has to make the least bad decision in a desperate situation, so he needs to read the game better and make difficult decisions faster, and despite that his defensive statistics are better than VVD's

Why is /spee/ trying to sell a player who isn't even a starter for his NT?

god damn, Leverkusen players all show up in lists like this, they have such a good, young squad and don't achieve shit

literally why

You genuinly think Arsenal more attacking than Liverpool?