DON'T TALK SHIT ABOUT MOYES LA HE INHERITED A LOT OF DEAD WOOD FROM SLUR ALEX!!!! GIVE HIM 300M TO SPEND IN THE SUMMER...

>and your best players are still academy kids like Rashford and Lingard
>
although to be fair, I couldn't pick out Poonited's best players rn.

It's not like Poonited don't have cash, unlike Arsecuck. They're just happily signing shit players for big money.

I did say it was tragic, but at least the home grown boys seem to give half a shit, most of the others are just walking about aimlessly

on what wages, how is that even a thing that happens

okay Yea Forums taught me a little about soccer and i've been keeping up, watching matches and learning and so on. i like it better than basketball, so thanks Yea Forums.
in most sports a head coach is given a pretty long leash unless they show they're completely out of their depth, and usually coaches in this category are first-time head coaches.
moyes, however, proved he was a solid EPL coach at everton. i know that ManU sees itself as a heavyweight and every season is a top 4 or bust situation. but two things stand out for moyes: he had an impossible task yet SAF hand-picked him, yet he was quickly replaced; and his firing broke him.
did SAF choose moyes because SAF wanted moyes to shit the bed, thus improving his historical stature? was ManU's executive team against moyes from the start? he seems like a good enough guy and something about him evokes pity, like a flawed pixar character.
>moyes

They havea a homegrown player quota to meet so it's either renewing him or paying 60M for a new talented english CB.

Its comin La

Just promote Greenwood to the 1st team.

Ed Woodward and the Glazers are to blame. Any muppet spouting this shit is an idiot or a troll.

DELETTTTTTTTTTTTTT THIS

literally who

that one nigger

United should unironically replace Woodward with Overmars from Ajax. At least he knows how to build a balanced fucking team

United should just fold. Give up. Cease being a football club

ole literally has the JUST hair

did SAF choose moyes because SAF wanted moyes to shit the bed, thus improving his historical stature?

yes

How can these idiots at United not build a team around Pogba?

you could give a 16 year old who's only ever played FIFA his whole life a warchest + Pogba and he'd get a better team around poogba than the current United trash team

>build team around a dabbing negro who only decides to play when he can be bothered
genius

>having trouble building a team around a 6'3", 26 year old World Cup winning center midfielder

based retard

>customer club attracts mercenary players
Pottery

There's no real way to fix it either

>height and trophy

americans

Who cares how tall he is you mentally ill niggerlover

>based retards acting like it's some sort of controversial opinion that Pogba is a good player
>now I will say nigger and call him an American

lmfao

This is what happens when you keep buying memes from abroad that people have to look up and not just digging deep to get either well known world class talents or proven Premier League players. I mean, who the fuck is Fred? Dalot? Bailly? Had you ever heard of any of these players before they came to United?

I pretended to have heard of them if that counts

>did SAF choose moyes because SAF wanted moyes to shit the bed, thus improving his historical stature?
No. He unironically made a terrible decision.

>pogba is a good player

Dohohoho

Building a team around a central midfielder is an extremely outdated concept.

lel, what? Moyes was legitimately a great manager on a meagre budget at Everton, it's just that nobody could possibly replace Ferguson. Even Mourinho failed to turn around the titanic.
because reality is more complicated than football manager. Even united don't know for sure which players will work and which will flop.
The club is just obviously not animated with the same spirit throughout the ranks. Woodward wants to save his job. Each manager wants to install a different system. Ole was arguably a good choice because instead of trying to impose an identity and turnover the squad he wanted to just free the current squad up to perform better.

Klopp took over liverpool and had a blueprint of how he wanted to play. He adjusted to his squad, ground out results and slowly overhauled the team into the machine it is now. United need a manager who has a vision to do that and could probably do with a year or two out of the CL while they overhaul the squad. Constant success breeds stagnation and complacency and it's obvious that some of the squad think that they can turn up in a united shirt and the performance will come.

hes good in a meme league or with kante mopping up for him. hes failed at united TWICE now. hes just not cut out for the team or the league. he will do well at something more pedestrian where they dont ask you to be so complete, like ligue 1 for psg

Ole, the marauder of molde, is that manager with a vision. He should be given 100m to spend every day until the transfer window closes

Yea Forums would be the kind of cretins to argue that United should ship off Pogba instead of blaming the absolute incompetent trash surrounding him. Shit hurts my brain to even try to lower my IQ to that level of stupid

pogba would be easy to ship off, he would still be worth 50m+. shipping out 10 or so players who have 0 value means you cant bring anyone in and you get relegated. nobody will give money for half the united squad on 200k a week and they would rather sit there sucking dick for united than move to their real level like bournemouth for 40k a week

>Fred? Alexis Sanchez? Ander Herrera?
>Now THOSE are the guys to build the team around!
>Pogba? shut up niggerlover! Get him out of here

absolutely, unequivocally based argument from the sports board of Yea Forums once again

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t. black divegrass fan that thinks being black makes you a superior player by default

There's more to being an elite midfielder than just physical attributes, you dingus. If Pogba is as elite as you say how the fuck is his team underperforming so badly?

I mean i get the whole
>ole's at the wheel
meme but the fact of the matter is that success is not a birthright - even for united. The competition is tougher. The other big sides are using every lever they have to try to compete. Chelsea are spending what they can. Tottenham aren't pushovers. Arsenal are too rich to accept being also-rans forever. City have infinite wealth. Liverpool are revitalized. United are going to have to stomach a shitty season or two to overhaul the team and rebuild. Falling for the Ole meme might not have helped but really they need some sort of transfer comittee already to overhaul the squad and sort out the wage structure. The Alexis move is just terrible.

On what evidence should united keep pogba? When has he been anything other than an extremely inconsistent, disruptive white elephant?
It must be the fee, I'm sure of it. If he cost 25m no-one would have a problem shipping him out based on his performances. But because manure bought back their own youth product for 100m people are blinded and think he's some once in a generation unreplaceable talent. He isnt

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winning the epl is harder than winning the world cup. hes good against shit like croatia and bosnia but gets dabbed on by the top 10 in england

>hes good against shit like croatia

yeah just like Englel were

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He gets carried by his team of All-Star Ngubus on France. When he has to carry his own team of regular Ngubus like he does on United he can't do it

the england national team would get relegated from the EPL unironically

They would all be exhausted from playing for two teams

He has kante and matiuidi carrying the water for him defensively so that he can attack. That's just deploying pogba smartly. It's not impossible for united to also find holding midfielders who can do the defensive work for pogba. They just haven't.

based alexio

Thats why they got matic. didnt seem to work. i dont think united with no cl and awful recruitment ability can get players good enough to do what he needs to be his best. is it possible? yes. will it happen? no.

>BOSS?

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matic was Mourinho bringing in a stopgap to get him through until he got a real player. It's like buying Demba Ba and Eto'o at chelsea to tide them over until they brought in Diego Costa.

Would Ruben Neves work in that role?

>Need a hand boss? I'm sure we can come to some kind of financial agreement.

They absolutely were. Look at the results and more importantly the performances right after Mou was sacked. Where the fuck has all that gone?

It was down to ole that they got those good results, now it is the players' fault that the results are bad

OGS and Manchester United have an extremely tough job ahead, especially given their track record with transfers and poor decisions the last couple of years. If we're to say OGS is given two years, out of his three, to rebuild the team, along with getting us on the right course, the amount of actual rebuilding is huge. Within one, maximum two years, these are probably the players that will have to be shipped off and/or replaced based on performance, attitude/work ethic and age.

Definitely: Darmian (RB), Herrera (CM), Rojo (CB), Valencia (CB), Bailly (CB) Pogba (CM), Lukaku (ST), De Gea (GK) Young (RB), Jones (CB), Smalling (CB), Matic (CB), Sanchez (LW), Mata (RW/AM)

Players under contract, some recently extended, that are old and/or unreliable and needs to be phased out.

That still leaves players like Lingard and Pereira who are on the fringe, Rashford and Dalot who are raw, along with Martial, Lindelof and Shaw.

One thing I'm happy about is the fact that OGS is determined to give the club its identity back. However, the club needs to get their fucking shit straight. What we're currently experiencing is a club that is now on its fourth manager that plays completely different football than the previous one, and it has been that way since Fergie left.

>Ruben Neves
i could see using him similar to how france deployed Matuidi. Let him play on the wing and tuck inside more for solidarity instead of getting forward quite so much. But it only worked so well for france because that freed pogba up to play #10 and they had Mbrappe bombing down the other flank.
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Ferguson himself often sacrificed one of his wingers for a more workmanlike midfielder like park or hardgreaves in big european matches

When was the last time United signed a genuinely world class player in their prime?

for me it's Van Persie in 2012, only because United was slightly preferable to losing with Arsenal every year. Since then no top level player has wanted to go there.

By putting in effort in Ole's early months they've ousted themselves as lazy, greedy cunts now they've downed tools again when things get tough and Madrid and PSG are sniffing around

Probably doesn't help the most useless cunt is earning £700k a week for doing nothing

When he was saying that Pogba needed to go everyone blamed Jose, when he said Martial wasn't up to it, everyone blamed Jose. When he wanted new center backs because Bailly, Smalling and Jones are either not good enough or never fit, everyone blamed Jose. Too many people at the club, in the media and on this sub have stuck up for these players for far too long.

I'll admit that I backed Jose till the end, but when Ole came in I started to believe that maybe the players were fine and it was Jose's fault. But my instinct was right, we have a rotten heart and until it's excised we will fail continuously.

We are a club that rewards mediocrity. Jones, Smalling, Young and Mata have been stealing a living for far too long at the club. Martial has been living off the reputation of a season two managers ago for far too long. Lukaku has been shit all season and Pogba thinks that because he played well for four weeks in the summer that he's the best player in the world. Look at Messi or Ronaldo, better players than Pogba who never, ever EVER stop working, they always give it 100% Never seen them coast, but not with this fucker and all of you support him.

Di Maria, they just fucked it up

People say Mourinho underperformed and all personality clashes aside/blame for bad transfer windows aside which United players do you think would start for City, Liverpool, Spurs or Barca?

In almost every position United have the worst starting XI players. Or do you disagree?

GK: MAtS, DDG, Allison, Ederson, Lloris

RB: Walker, Semedo, TAA, Trippier, Young/Dalot

CB: VvD, Toby, Jan, Pique, Umtiti, Stones, Lindelof, Lenglet, Smalling, Matip, Laporte, Sanchez, Jones

LB: Robertson, Alba, Davies/Rose, Mendy, Shaw, Zinchenko

DM: Busquets, Dinho, Wanyama, Fabinho, Matic, Dier

CM: KdB, Silva, Arthur, Eriksen, Ivan, Pogba, Milner, Keita, Ander, Moussa, Fred, Hendo, Winks, McTom, Skipp

LW: Sterling, Mane, Son, Dembele, Martial/Rashford

RW: Messi, Salah, Sane, Lucas, Lingard

ST: Kane, Suarez, Aguero, Firmino, Lukaku/Rashford

De Gea, on form, is better than all those keepers
Shaw would get into Spurs and City's team
Pogba, on form, would get into any side but in reality he'd get dropped fairly quickly.
McTominay and Rashford would get games for Liverpool and Spurs and hopefully develop.
Lindelof would be a decent back up at most of them.

Basically the only players I'd be unhappy if they were sold this summer are De Gea, Lindelof, Shaw, McTominay and Rashford (and Herrera if he weren't already going)

Imo if you had the right system, pogba and Lukaku should be world class players right now. Lukaku might not dribble like messi but he is an incredible player. There is absolutely NO reason why you shouldn't be able to create an effective side with Lukaku, pogba, Martial. Lukaku is a selfless link player who is great in the air and can take chances from open play. If I was mananging the side I'd get him and pogba combining with one winger the same way france used Giroud, Pogba and Mbappe to combine in attack.

The PROBLEM: is united's base good enough? Should pogba play #10 or should you drop him back into the double pivot? Who can you buy to play #10 or to fill in the holding roles because Matic is only good enough if you support him with a much faster and more energetic player like kante. France used matiudi and kante to protect pogba from defensive work and often played Grietzmann as a #10 who pressed ahead of pogba too. Also France was extremely strong at playing out of the back with Umtiti and Varane

I would have rashford, I think he would flourish away from the theatre of cancer

>Lukaku is a selfless link player who is great in the air

He's literally none of those things.
>never moves
>can't control a ball
>can't pass
>doesn't win headers

far too much is made of player quality, and thus the importance of technical training/improvement, tactical details are trivialized.

When there is a proper plan in which players have clear roles and can channel their energy into fulfilling directives, you get increased output from even average players. Like what Conte was able to get from players like Moses and Alonso, what Pep was able to squeeze from Delph and Zinchenko. And so on.

City, Liverpool, and, to some extent, Spurs, have started long ago with the tactical framework, and then identified the players that would build upon the existing framework.

Arsenal and Chelsea have only installed their respective systems this season, but they are in a position where they can identify the specific problem areas in the system, and can make purchases that will more than likely lead to direct improvement.

United are the only team in the big 6 without a distinct philosophy. To be honest, the closest they have got was with van Gaal. Whatever people think of him, the structure was clear and he got the team building from the back with consistent patterns. His tenure ended before he was able to produce the creativity and speed in the final third, but I think he was the only manager post Fergie with the approach needed.

Spending on quality is not the inherent solution. Players like Pogba and Lukaku are quality, regardless of what supporters think. The problem is that they were not bought with any specific utility in mind. And people want the club to repeat this folly by spending another 500m on 5+ players this summer then sacking ole if were not top by january.

Ole should be building a team that understand each other and play for each other. Buying 6-7 new players will not help. As it is, it is not as if Man Utd does not have players with great “potential”. The problem is that they are not playing to what they could do. Buying new players will not help if they come in and get the mediocrity bug. With that in mind, Man Utd should at most buy 3-4 players to integrate to the team.

One of the problems I see is that there is no established first team, with everyone around the same low standard. It is hard to build a telepathic understanding that is often so needed in tight situations if there is no stable team playing a stable system. That might contributed to Man Utd losing possession so easily.

>that one Amerishart dickriding Poogba.

Whatever fag, let's just spend sum money lmao

United have a philosophy. Its 'remember the fergie years la'

All of our CBs ar error prone. Our FBs are passable, but won't light the league up. Our midfield is in disarray. Our attack is toothless. We need more than 5 in order to compete, and that's not including depth from the bench.

Plus there is the problem with attitude and motivation. There's far too much rot in the squad which has led to complacency. We have to make bold, big changes in order to compete again. We're so far off from the mark since Fergie that little changes aren't going to cut it. And what's worse is, it will reflect poorly on Ole if he disappoints next season.

We've all seen this squad under three different managers and even though we've been critical of each of them, the players share a lot of the blame.

Let's break it down.

Lukaku is most likely leaving, so a Striker will be needed. (It's evident now that we need one anyway.)

Herrera will be leaving, so a Center Midfielder will be needed.

Young cannot start anymore, so a Right Back is needed.

Matic is no longer starting, and he was our only natural Defensive Midfielder, so we need one badly.

Darmian and Rojo are most likely gone, and Shaw can't be our only option as Left Back, so we will need depth there. We can't afford to play makeshift options anymore whenever our starters get injured. That's inexcusable for a team of this stature.

We have no wingers, but at least Right Winger is a must this summer, then we can talk about a LW next summer.

We definitely need a Center Back. Personally I'd feel better if we had Koulibaly and Alderweireld leading our backline next season, but that's not going to happen. We'll have one of the Chuckle Bros playing many games and even though Lindelof is in good form right now, so was Bailly until he fell off.

And what about our options off the bench? theyre dogshit.

He talks about City and Liverpool’s players putting in more effort. A lot of that is down to the players buying into the philosophy and feeling like they’re playing for a winner. Look at Chelsea. The squad underperforms because they don’t buy into Sarri’s circuit based training (which to be fair is below the standard fit for a club at this level). It’s not as if those teams just happen to sign all the good eggs who smile and do what they’re told like nice little lads, it’s that they have a clear philosophy that the players believe in in both training and matches, and United don’t. Amateur manager, amateur effort from the players.

I honestly think that Mourinho was really making lemonade out of what he had. What's the strength of the squad? Lukaku and Felliani have unique ability to make long balls stick. Repeatedly going long and using Felliani as an anti-10 wasn't pretty but it did cause problems for their opposition. Realistically those two combining with pogba and martial should be able to make some sort of attack. But It was telling that Mourinho was experimenting with 3atb in order to compensate for lack of quality across his back line. their holding players matic and herrera are all not athletic enough and the CBs are not good enough on the ball to build from the back against the modern pressing tactics. those are the parts that need upgraded most urgently. getting the team into a consistent shape and getting better defensive counterpressing out of the front players could help. for what fellaini does well, he's awful with the ball at his feet in the build up so you have to limit his involvement there and hes a trundling siege tower so you need more athletic and hard working attackers ahead of him to help press.

There's a difference between underperforming, like Arsenal and Chelsea do where they look dominant but just lack a bit of clinical finishing or concentration in defence and occasion get embarrassed and United's underperforming where basic things are routinely failed.

I highly doubt Ole's (and Mourinho's) tactics are stand still, don't trap the ball, don't bother closing anyone down

goes to show SAF was the GOAT in the English leagues

This but also all other managers in england were shit up until his departure. Wonga might be the exception.

mourinho won a couple of titles

Wenger was the exception, but mostly because managers were retards when he arrived on the scene
>What players should eat right and not smoke a pack a day? Madness!

...and then letting the players get away with a shit attitude and no performance. A club with pride would have found a way to bench / sell Pogba a year ago.

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It took several years for SAF to get a team settled in his way of playing and winning trophies. Moyes was expected to do it in one season with a worse squad and higher expectations. He was definitely a good manager. And definitely guaranteed to fail.

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Nobody in Manchester says la, that's a scouse thing

it's shorthand for delusion, and I think you know that.

I just heard Ole talk for the first time. Why does he sound Scottish?

he's got an utterly bizarre accent
it's mancdinavian

Because Fergie sounds Scottish

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I just have a feeling that this thread was created by the city bandwagoner

whatever happened to the flip customer?

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Go on.
Amuse us.
Just try to lower your IQ further.

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He is Fergie's bastard child

>Lukaku is most likely leaving

Where? I don't think anybody bigger than United want him. And he's too expensive for any mid-table foreign club.

Koulibaly isn't coming unless you throw £150m at Napoli

Poogba is literally just an expensive Balloteli.

"Build the team around him" is just a thinly veiled acknowledgement that he's not that good and needs carrying by a stacked team

#payme

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You now remember when people rated Ole and they wanted their team to hire a former player because they just understand how the club is run.

i was just watching a bunch of sky sports vids about gnev and other pundits talking about united. they all unanimously talked about how it's a rebuilding period and they need 3-4 windows to get back on track. it's crazy because that has been the narrative for 4/5 years now and i'm impressed united have been shit enough to keep it up.

>the current squad aren't good enough to play for the badge
>they need to get real stars in
>get pogba, lucrapu, mickyarian, sanchez
>these new stars are toxic
>they need to have players who want to play for the badge

...

it's amazing that the squad can turn it on/off when they want like as soon as ole came in and they miraculously started winning, people blamed mou but now mou has been vindicated as they players suddenly aren't showing up for ole. ole signed his contract and the players are on holiday. it's crazy. i think signing ole is one of the worst knee jerk reactions in recent memory, yes he's a man united legend, yes he's got the team back on track but how much of that can realistically be chalked up to him?

they should have clearly set the sights on someone like poch who sustain a team. he was flirting with the media and open to being bought out towards the end of last year. now he's probably going to be in champion's league final and it'd be surprising if he moves anywhere for a while if the summer goes well.

my favourite thing is that mou was lambasted for saying finishing second with that squad was one of his great achievements. turns out mou was probably right again. united is a poisoned chalice and i can't wait for the derby

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Before anything else happens, they've got to get their pride back.
1) Employ a former Man U player as manager: possibly, just possibly, OGS might work. Less talented / experienced but more determined / loyal than Moyes, vG or Mourinho.

2) Get a captain with an emotional attachment to the club: born in Manchester or supported Utd all his life. I lost count of the number of matches when Gerrard single-handedly carried Liverpool. Man U need a Salford Gerrard.

3) Start buying players who want to earn victories, not ones who make headlines. If a player will only sign for the money then make sure he gets that money as a performance bonus for winning a trophy not as a guaranteed weekly wage.

desu pep does it perfectly though
had you ever heard of ederson, sane, laporte?

I don't know, I think that the football world overrates the importance of players motivation, at least "intentional motivation".
Sure there are cases where players let down the tools to fuck over a manager (Mourinho's past 3 sackings, for example) but more often than not it''s just either players not being good enough or the manager not being good enough.

I knew well of Sane and I'd heard of Laporte. Not Ederson though.

A good post on Yea Forums? Wew. Liverpool have some shitters that Kloppo has made servicable (Matip was a free from >Schalke for instance). Maybe Utd are "too big to fail" financially now that they can mess up every year and still have money. But their owners aren't oil princes, there has to be a limit.

Quality post

you do realize manure have won more trophies in the past decade than liverpoop right?

look up the following two words
"honeymoon period"

Scots were invaded by Vikings so of course there's huge overlap in accent and language etc

sounds tasty

Moyes didn't get alot of money thought did he? Not as much as Jose.

Moyes was always treated the worst I think

To get rid of all the dead wood you need a competent manager which Ole isn't. What's the point of throwing the players under the bus he parked last game? Absolutely idiotic saying shit like I will be successfull and they won't. This sort of stuff doesn't happen over night. Klopp for example is only gonna clear the team this summer.

>Man U need a Salford Gerrard.

does that player exist? it's easy to say but it's nearly impossible to make it a reality. liverpool tried it again with henderson and henderson is good enough but he's nowhere the level of gerrard. it's hard to remember games where he has dragged them to a win so i think it's not a very good idea to pin your hopes on an elite local lad who will bring victories through sheer will

>Start buying players who want to earn victories

it's easy to say that but it's way harder to implement. the type of players who fit that mold will have offers from superior clubs in the league and then superior clubs in europe as well. united would be better off getting a manager with a serious track record of bringing something to a club and creating a solid base. a good squad starts from the top down, not from the players upwards. they should pay pochettino whatever the fuck it would take

So, basically, there's nothing that needs fixing, right?

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Henderson isn't local, he's from Sunderland

McTominay is the player United need to develop, or Rashford.
Neither are as good as Gerrard but they're the best options

To be fair, Moyes played attacking football with shit players and got no backing. Van Lal got backed to fuck and played shit football. Mou pointed out what was needed and got crucified. Now people are realising again, "oh yeah, when Mou said these defenders are shit he was right". Man U just have to decide a way to play and to buy the players that fit that style. Sell Poogba, Valencia, Matic, Smalling, and Rojo. Buy a proper CB, buy a proper holding Mid to challenge McTominay, buy a creative Mid, and buy a proper RB to challenge Dalot.

>it's not a very good idea to pin your hopes on an elite local lad who will bring victories through sheer will
No, it's not so, if you can't find someone local, find someone passionate. They need someone who wants to lead (and, if necessary, carry) the team because they're Man U not because they're a fat piggy bank.

>"the type of players who fit that mold will have offers from superior clubs"
Manure customers will tell you that there aren't any superior clubs. Consequently, they have every right to expect their players to work to make that the case. When they've got a squad that wants to work, then they can think about fitting in some glitter-boys like Pogba.

>Wouldn't give Mou 50m for Maguire
>Gonna give Ole 100m for Koulibaly
>

a pile of shit that won the league 9 points clear

Mou's problem was he's a cunt so no one wanted to listen to him.

Manutd sympathisers are all over the place. First of all, Gerrard has a CL medal because of Benitez’s pragmatic tactics winning against Milan. They are not a team that dominated and they were on top because of foreign strikers like Torres and Suarez. Gerrard is bang average when compared to world class players.

Secondly. It’s the managers that demand a work ethic and technical ability, not local connections. In modern football.

Gaudiola came in, dropped numerous players. Klopp did the same. Poch did the same. Emery is doing the same.

Ole isn’t a good manager. Time to look forward and get on with modern football.

Just bring Tuanzebe into the first team, he has been really good on loan at Villa.

Mou worked wonders to get this team into top 4 a season ago. Thsi team is all fodder no actual content. Ole got super lucky by going on a win streak and now the magic faded and its back to what Mou was talking aboit, the team is shite and needs reinforcements and offloading desd weight. Wonder what united fans will say when Ole cant dteer the ship next season.

I'd honestly cash in Pogba and maybe even De Gay in summer and just build a new squad.

Bring in:
A keeper to replace De Gay
Alderweireld as a cheap CB improvement
Keep Young as LB cover
A starting RB
A DM to replace Matic
An attacking playmaker to replace Pogba
A right winger (Mata and possibly BOSS leaving)
And a striker to replace/compete with Lukaku

They'll say get rid of him. Same as they're doing now. Trouble is, there isn't a manager on the planet who can make this squad win anything worth having. Worse, there is no combination of any 11 players currently active (available or not) who could win anything for this manager. It's gonna take years (and new owners) to fix.

I reckon I can look forward to at least 3 years of uninterrupted gloating.

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One of the big boys (Madrid, Barca or PSG) will come for Mane and Salah soon and if you can't win anything this season or next they'll likely leave.

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It won’t matter. Liverpool gave up Coutinho and became even better.

Their manager is too good and the club gets good replacements in very quickly. If they sell Salah or Many, they’ll buy another winger who just isn’t a big name at a big club but a player who quitely goes under the radar in a decent club and the cycle will repeat.

>only been in babby cup finals since 2011

How the FUCK did they manage to knock out PSG?

2 defensive errors from PSG and a dodgy penalty. Combine this with PSG players thinking the game was over after they scored in the 2nd leg.

PSG screwed PSG

Neymar was injured. Mbappe hasn’t proven to be clutch in the CL.

Last time Barca won the CL was when Neymar scored 10 in 12 in CL.

>la
People from Manchester don't say 'la'. The ONLY place in Britain that uses that term are Scousers. Mancs would say 'our kid' or 'mate'.

>only things worthwhile on that list are the CLs
>has failed to get near the CL without Messoy
"""unexposable"""

>they’ll buy another winger who just isn’t a big name at a big club but a player who quitely goes under the radar in a decent club and the cycle will repeat.
Or they'll just raise Shaqiri to the starting XI and then buy another attacking player to develop.

That kind of assumes that we won't win the double this season.
Idiot.

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>Moyes
>Mouyes
>M'Oles

what a joke that an old man zlatan was the best transfer for united in recent years

Shaqiri doesn’t work as hard as Klopp wants out of a forward player. He likely sees him as a luxury.

I think Klopp will go for a complete player around the ages of 25-27. He doesn’t like projects unless they are from their own academy.

Clearly, Mouyes made the most he could out of that squad. Just look how awful Fred is with the ball at his feet, or De Gay’s dogshit distribution, these players aren’t meant to play possession football.

I watched their youtube highlights. :^)

how many years does it take for a big club to officially lose its big status?

liverpool haven't won anything relevant for 14 years and they're still 'big'
arsenal haven't won anything relevant for 15 years and they're still 'big'

like how much man utd mediocrity can the media handle before they stop putting news stories about them on the front page, putting them top3 on motd, always in the conversation for top4/title, etc, etc

I'd ship him off for 100m and bring in these two CMs from Leverkusen for the same price.

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Money. Spurs is the least valuable out of the top 6 and have been the top 3 performing clubs after City and Chelsea. Despite all that, the media never stopped talking about Klopp, Mourinho or Wenger.

>When was the last time United signed a genuinely world class player in their prime?
Wasn't that supposed to be Sanchez?

i guess when they are still willing to drop giant fees on players. financially, they are big club. competitively, not really. i wonder how long it'd take for a club to be shit such that it would shift their willingness to drop heavy stacks on the squad.

>Sanchez

how come he's so shit, lads

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its about fanbase, pull as far as buying players, history but also current relevence. you can lose it like leeds have but it takes something like a relegation, or 10+ years outside the top half. it also depends on how big you are, a team like spurs would lose it much faster than united if they both become shit

Havertz and Brandt? Aren't they both wingers?

Before you mention Poch you have to remember that he's gotten rid of every player that wanted to be bigger than the club or didn't value the team enough
In Manchester he wouldn't have that kind of power as long as the higher-ups stay

They *can* play as wingers, but Brandt's best as a roaming playmaker (KDB), while Havertz is your typical sprays the ball wide to the wingers and makes late runs into the box CAM (Ramsey).

>Actually thinking United can get anything against City in their current form

Only other possible point City might drop points is Burnlel away

Balance is the thing United has been lacking. They haven’t had a natural Right Winger in 6 years.

sounds like liverpool's philosophy

>f-five times la!

So they're the same player?

But honestly I'd take them, Brandt looked ace at the World Cup. Not watched Kai but I've heard he's good. These are the sort of players United should sign, first team quality but with potential and making a step up. Same with Felix at Benfica.

That reason is likely why Poch won’t even take a call with them.

Dalot looks like he’ll be pretty good. He’s just turned 20 last month.

Brandt would be the perfect Pogba replacement, shame about our history with German players that will put him off.

If I was United manager I'd pay whatever West Ham want for Felipe Anderson. Miles better than anyone they currently have on the wings.

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>So they're the same player?
No, this webm is basically a tl;dr of how they play: Havertz passes to Brandt, Brandt plays the killer pass, Havertz scores.

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based

the real fucked up thing is their fullbacks have for the most part over that time period have been former wingers

it was for the entire 90s. we are 90s liverpool

and theyre not even good fullbacks. when we were great we had great fullbacks, look at liverpools this year something like 20 assists between them. we have 2 wingers there in young/valencia for the past few years and they dont offer shit attacking wise

And Shaw on a five (5) year contract

Not even memeing m8, it's how Fergie always use to do it. Sign the best players from smaller English clubs (West Ham, Spurs and so on) and help them step up to the next level. It's pretty much how Liverpool have built their recent "success".

strawpoll.me/17862965

oh im not memeing either hes really good. yeah the bayern strategy is a good one.

Hope springs eternal.
Just not in the flowerbed of logic.

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>raiding spurs every now and again for their players

classic fergie

>ey boss... we're still getting a bonus right?

Should we release his address?

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Arsenal have a lot of cash too, their owner just doesn't want to spend it

>Tfw Wonga was never given the war chest

this

and what if it was?

killed himself because of city

so basically what city does
most of the player wages are bonus incentives

only if you add the following one word
"bull"

>£50 million war chest

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> pile of shit
> had the league won by march

What's with the sudden influx of Dutch poster(s) in this thread? Did school just let out?

flopp spent a shitload and hasn't won dick

>richest club in the world
what did he mean by this?

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>oh yeah, when Mou said these defenders are shit he was right

but he was the one who bought them

>Messi bows to Pogbanoff
>In contact with Manchester United's marketing department about more sponsorship opportunities
>Possess dabbing abilities
>Direct descendant of Africans
>Cost over $100M from Juventus
>Manchester United is in the process of recouping this money via shirt sales
>Will bankroll some kind of vanity project rap single in the future
>both Pogbanoff brothers said to have 75+ IQ
>In the process of learning English
>We don't yet know what his plan is but Manchester United PLC's customers desperately hope that he starts being less shit

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City weren’t going away and United were terrible in Europe.

SAF probably saw the writing on the wall with the huge influx of foreign tactics in the PL. I think there were 13 English managers in PL compared to 3-4 now.

liverpool won't win anything for the next decade as long as Pep sticks around

Mourinho already spoke about this when he was manager, he said in the past United could buy the best players from other clubs like berbatov and Carrick from spurs, but now clubs don’t want to sell, buying Kane, Eriksen or Son isn’t an option now and makes it a lot harder

it's psg

He has not prove to be a good manager anywhere he has been other than Everton, when he was decent.
De Gea has never been better than Ter Stegen, and that he gets the form he had it has to be doubted. Right now he is just complaining he wants 400k per week, and you can see his body language after every goal, either blaming someone else, or just completely defeated. ManU should try and bank on him
About the kids (Rashford and Lingard) the best thing LvG did was to identify that Welbeck was a fraud feed by the media because he was English. He got good money for him. It is the same case with these two.
Shaw was maybe top when he left Soton, but he has never been in that form since. Another English fraud.
So basically your base is a finished keeper that would eat your wage budget, two English average players, a CB that has proved nothing other than being expensive and another youngster that probably would have not that support being in Leicester or Everton.
>Rating Maguire

From 6th to 2nd and a CL final. First English team in it since 2011/12. That’s pretty good. Even more than Pep who hasn’t been in a CL final since his Barca days.

I don’t know man. Liverpool are closing in like a bloodhound. One better striker than Firmino and they start converting those draws to wins.

Fair enough.
Seems to be working for them.

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I miss Laal

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>thinks yanited bandwagoners are from manchester

kekked at that big ol 20th

>yfw Pep gets another 100 point season next year and flopp and oleyes commit ritual group suicide

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these liverflopp and arseshit bandwagoners that they got when the clubs were still relevant can't suddenly stop being customers so instead they delude themselves every year that next year will be their year

Good point. There's a single player from United that I'd put in Liverpool's starting XI save Pogba ( and that's only because he wouldn't start every week). When Klopp came in he made just about every player at Liverpool better. United seems to overspend money on players just because they can. Dumping 10 plus players from United in a single window won't help them.

>it’s a Dutch city autist episode
If you supported your local club, you could still be caring about the CL.

>900,000,000,000 spacebucks for a dabbing Sissoko
That meme didn’t age well did it? Sissoko is unironically superior to Pogba in every way this season.

Utd being trying to buy the league since forever then complaining when other clubs spend big. Getting what they deserve.

FUCK UNITED

Lukaku was horrible at controlling long balls. It’s the main reason the season collapsed and Mou got sacked.

Shaqiri works hard he just isn't as good of a presser naturally as someone like firmino and tires more quickly than any of the first choice front 3 because hes twice as bulky and strong as any of them. That's why he's been overlooked: he looks unattractive on the pitch because he's ugly has a weird NFL shaped body and runs like a bundle of sausages strapped to the hood of a jeep. But he has size, speed and skill in bunches

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>Moyes
>6 (six)

He should let go of that muscle. Stoke might have been insistent on strength but he doesn’t need strength as he isn’t holding the ball up at Liverpool. Being on the front foot is more probable.

He gets a Salah like body and he will move faster and actually go for long sprints on a counter.

>3 years of uninterrupted gloating
Yes, The Putting The Pressure on Trophy is headed to Anfield

300m isn't a lot of money

>These are the sort of players United should sign
they're not black enough for my liking

I think Moyes got rid of a lot of the existing backroom staff at United and brought in his own, which did him no favours

Kek, yes

>One better striker than Firmino
Is Firmino the ultimate retard filter?

Lukaku carried them

He said he doesn't even lift. Freak of nature. Pää

KRONKE OUT blud!

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>Is Firmino the ultimate retard filter?
Clearly. He is literally perfect for how liverpool play. Is he perfect at leading the line and breaking offside trap and getting his head to crosses? no he's a converted attacking mid. But all the other stuff hes fantastic. Could they use a plan B to chase games? yeah. Could they use a superhuman phenomenon like prime torres? yeah. But firmino isn't the problem by any stretch.
if anything it's Naby Keita and Fabino taking so long to settle in that caused liverpool to drop points this year. Teams adjusted to how liverpool play, sat deep and put more attention on salah. Liverpool lacked creativity in midfield to unlock defenses when his team couldn't generate gegenpressing situations. Klopp lost Oxlade-chamberlain and didn't trust Fabinho enough to let Henderson play #8 and really neither Henderson nor milner quite have the world class killer ball.

Imagine Cavani in Firmino’s position. That should tell you that Firmino is not unique and Liverpool can definitely upgrade.

>imagine cavani in firmino's position
Yeah he might get into much better goal scoring situations but he would literally terminally destroy Liverpool's defensive system. Liverpool's gegenpress absolutely relies on the front 3 being fast mobile and hard working to harass the opposition's worst ballplayers relentlessly into giving the ball away in dangerous areas and having trouble getting out of their own half. The match that got mourinho sacked was liverpool utterly embarassing united's back line with gegenpressing. Trundling siege tower cavani would wreck the entire system you street shitter.

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You must be kidding me. Lewa played in the same position and Dortmund did fine. Suarez (like player) is another example who would instantly improve Liverpool. You guys are playing yourselves thinking Firmino is someone that can’t be improved upon. Seriously. There are way better finishers + poachers out there who can bring the same work rate.

lewa and suarez are both way slower and older now. Suarez was one of the truly elite players in his prime but his best days are behind him. Firmino is bringing exactly what they need to the role with his speed, stamina, industriousness and his ability to drop deep and link play. Salah and mane are the ones being asked to bag goals in this system and they are for the most part. Other than Salah's dip in form the problem isn't taking chances. It's creating chances against teams that sit deep and minimize their exposure to gegenpressing. Firmino is one of the best forwards in the league at both tackles/90 and interceptions/90 and chips in with goals too. even though hes a 'center forward' goal poaching isn't what hes asked to do. he really is more like a 'false 9' or 'shadow striker' or whatever you want to call messi's role - just played by a slightly less superhuman player.

Lewa was in response to the assertion that a lumbering tall player can’t play in a pressing style game. I said Suarez like.

There are younger players who have Lewa/Suarez/Cavani qualities of being a finisher + poacher.

some strange ideas you are having

selling uniteds only CF in Lukaku
selling the only player than can pick a long pass in the team
selling english and home grown players that you need for quotas

some of UTD's problems are coming from no longer being able to buy players like Kane Mcguire or Digne off their competitors as they have become too strong.

totally agree that they have fallen behinf the times with no DoF and their scouting team seems to have become shit

Ole's job is to rebuild the club. lets hope he gets the support he needs. A few losses won't put me off yet, lets see how the summer goes.