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>illicite goals are ok

How about against Atletico Madrid?

That’s a lot of mental gymnastics

Nothing says much about anything. Any statistic that includes Ronaldo is tainted by his offside and dubious penalty goals.

You going to remove Messi's penalties?

How many CL's did Atletico Madrid win?

I didn't remove anything, not even Ronnie's offside goals. It's 1 of the 4.

Atletico Madrid are better than fucking Celtic. Putting them there but not Atletico just goes to show how you're trying to twist things in Messi's favor

Not really, it's pretty simple. Based on all the criticism against Messi

>he doesn't score against big teams!
>he doesn't score in the KO stages!
>his goals are statpad!

I filtered it by:
>UCL winners (objective definition - otherwise it's subjective whether a team is good or not)
>CL KO stages (R16 to Final)
>game winning or series winning goals / assists (no statpad, all critical goals)

ez

I used an objective definition. Atletico is not a UCL winner. It's pretty simple. Ronaldo gets Porto to make up for Messi's Celtic, so it doesn't change much.

>Objective
So you're telling me that because Celtic won the European Cup in 1967, they were objectively a good team, better than a team like Atletico, in 2008?

Nobody is going to remember Atletico 20 years down the line, since they never won the CL

also lmao at obsessing over Celtic, it's just 1

including Ronnie's offside goals is a lot worse but it doesn't bother you

I want you to say that Celtic in 2008 are objectively better than Atletico Madrid are this season. If you can't, then you're admitting your own argument is bullshit

Celtic in 2008 are better than Atletico Madrid in this season

There it is; you just admitted that you're a fucking retard. No need to take you seriously any more

UCL wins
Celtic 1
Atletico 0

>b-b-but muh simeone fad that nobody will remember in 20 years

Nobody fucking remembers that Celtic won either

also, Ajax won a bunch of CLs in the 70s, you would think they're irrelev- *knocks out Donaldo*

Penaldo is the biggest fraud ever and people will realize it few years after he retires

Messi is the greatest player to ever pit a foot on this planet, we are really blessed to witness him
He is the second coming of Jesus

That was obvious from the start, this weak bait won't convince any neutral unlike the goals from quarterfinal onwards graph by the Romanian dude. I love watching idiots make themselves look stupid. keep bumping this thread

I can remove Celtic on the premise that the title had a different name back then

but I can't add Atletico since I have no objective reasons to do so other than your subjective taste, since they have 0 CLs

I will have to update it after Liverpool so I'll think about it

His fanboys are brainwashed, everybody else already knows

t. seething madrid fan

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If you're going to be objective, why not just add all of them from the knockouts, then let us decide? Seeing as your own qualification is by definition subjective

Because goals against Schalke 04 and Wolfsburg bore me to tears, if I wanted something so generic, I would just look at all the games and get done with it

Champions League - Full record
162 Games 133
14,053 Minutes 10,951
126 Goals 110
0.77 Goal ratio 0.83
37 Game winning goals 36
0.23 Game winning goal ratio 0.27

LMAO is it Ronaldo fanboys who think scoring against team whose CL winning players are long passed away is more of an objective feat than scoring against a team who is currently performing well? PLEASE REPLY I WANT EVERYONE TO SEE HOW RETARDED YOU ARE BUMP THE THREAD LOOOOOOOL

KEEP BUMPING AHHAHAHAHA

Name 1 Atletico player than won the CL with Atletico

Seethe

There are none, their best generation was hammered into the ground by Ronaldo. Name 5 celtic players who would fit into the 2014 Atletico starting 11

>There are none
thx

LOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOL

Triggered af

>Can't answer my question
OH NO NO NO SUDACA BRAIN IS FROZEN

Not OP but it's about KO games, and teams like Celtic don't even leave the groups stage anymore

No, PLEASE keep bumping LMAO, This amount of tortured logic will turn away even the most diehard messy fans from supporting him any longer.

Name one Celtic player who won the CL with Celtic that was even still alive when Messi played them

>muh celtic
*ignores 1 of penaldo's is an offside goal*
*ignores the other 9*

Notice: Celtic causing this much butthurt made me decide to keep it when I update to add Liverpool

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People can't take you seriously because you claiming to be removing subjectivity yet everytime someone points out a flaw you add even more subjectivity

UCL winners = objective metric
"I consider this team to be elite even tho it won nothing" = subjective metric

Donaldo is a fraud, he wouldn't make the Jersey team

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>*ignores 1 of penaldo's is an offside goal*
Subjectivity

It's pretty easy to objectively determine a goal to be offside.

>5 times, 5 times my teammates carried me to this trophy

So why didn't the linesman?

This is an ESPN/ameristat. We're really starting to infected divegrass now

Based neighboor
Went here last summer

@92219689
>Juventus is losing 4-0
>Ronaldo scores 4 to tie it up
>Ngubinho scores the 4-5
>Ngubinho gets the "game winner goal"
>Ronaldo apparently did fuck all because he didnt score the "game winning goal"
Embarrassing, even counting the Goals per minute with seconds, even twain gets better autistic statistics to suck dick

Also, it made me realize that Messi has some statpad against City / Arsenal which might as well be considered "elite" if Patetico is "elite", but I don't see you bitching about that :^)

The total goal stats is right there, both are tied at 19

Well, goals are useless if you lose

Go ahead and add them to the list retard. I'm not arguing for Ronaldo; I'm arguing for objectivity

>Messi
>66 Group Stage goals
>26 Round of 16 goals
>12 QF goals
>4 SF goals
>2 Final goals

>Ronaldo
>61 Group Stage goals
>23 Round of 16 goals
>25 QF goals
>13 SF goals
>4 Final goals

>go ahead and look at 150 games instead of 30 because muh patetico
maybe next year

based autism

the destroyer of Wolfsburg
the nightmare of Schalke 04

why is his hand so small?

>a team who's players won UCL in 1960 objectively determines the quality of the team's players in 2016
HAAAAAAAAAHAAAAAAAAHAHAHAHAHA holy fucking retardation lets go lets bump again, argies reputation is going to be beyond repair on here

>Most of Donaldo's goals were in garbage time and refball

BUMP

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Please give me more tears, they fuel me.

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>if I focus on Celtic, people won't see Milan, Chelsea, Milan, Bayern, United, Chelsea, Real Madrid, Bayern and United (and Porto)

Milan have been absolutely garbage since 2010/11, and United this year/Chelsea last year are also garbage

>posts lies on the internet
Your stats are fraudulent.
Still waiting for those 20 penalties against atlético.

We already know you have a mental illness where you hype a team, and then Messi scores against them and suddenly it's not elite anymore

I'll do anything if it means you'll keep bumping this thread, it's not every day messyfags shoot themselves in the foot with an ICBM

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I am glad that the facts are so shocking that your first reaction is denial, meaning that you admit if they were true (they are) Messi would be superior. Glad for your concession.

Chelsea finished 5th last year, United will finished 6th this year. 2010/11 was the last time Milan won the title.

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Here are those 25 goals.
You said 20 were penalties. I count 8.
So you come to 4chins sports board to lie on the internet?
OH NO NO NO NO
How do you say exposed in your language?

>being obsessed over a joke

I also posted that 10 of the 19 Serie A goals were penalties :^)

but no, OP's stats are no joke, other than the offside goal that I included for Ronaldo

Want to hear another joke?

Will you admit that Messi is the GOAT when he rapes Liverpool or is there also a "but..." for that?

This Liverpool team is probably the best defensive team of all time; he won't rape them

I love that he's still going and pretending he's not even OP, all these bumps serve to eternally expose messyfags LUL
>if I pretend celtic is the only problem with my factually objective truthful image, people won't realise I rate current Milan above Atletico Madrid
LOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOL I think we're about done here

looks like I got all the Penaldofags seething here

The best defensive team that Messi has ever played*

>Twain in meltdown
lmao keep up the good work OP

I am OP, when did I pretend otherwise, mentally ill Madridfag?

>jokes on you i was only pretending to be retarded

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LOOL on the contrary, I haven't had this much fun on here in days. I'm giving this thread all the bumps it can get, every neutral will see just how stupid messyfags are because of a thread started by a messyfag. Poetic

*logs in proxies*
heh, nothing personel kiddo

BTFO

*scores in garbage time against Schalke 04*

truly the GOAT

>Messi and Ronaldo’s Top 5 Favourite Victims in the CL

>Messi
>9 goals against Arsenal
>8 goals against AC Milan
>8 goals against Celtic FC
>7 goals against Bayern Levurkusen
>6 goals against AFC Ajax

>Ronaldo
>10 goals against Juventus
>9 goals against Bayern Munich
>9 goals against AFC Ajax
>7 goals against >schalke
>7 goals against Atletico Madrid

FILL OUT YA BINGO SHEET

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>Messi
GOAT
>Donaldo
tap-in artist

>controlling damage to faggot narrative always pushed