How many years does he realistically have at the top?

He's guaranteed to win it this year. Modric only won it because of the WC. Nobody seriously thinks he's a better player

He has a free role and just does what ever

The point isn’t that he hasn’t had a good year now. The point is he lost the consistency. You can’t be considered the top player when another player remains more consistent. That’s what Ronaldo has done. 2nd last year in voting.

Also, Ronaldo has already proven to be better than Messi, in his mind. It’s why he fucked off from Madrid. He didn’t care about competing with Messi anymore.

Tadic, Son or VVD will win it

>Messi drops into midfield
no one cares you retard
why?
because he can't defend. he's a liability.

I reckon he’ll go to Newell’s around 36-37.

T. Ronaldos dicksuck

Are you saying that this is inconsistent?: whoscored.com/Players/11119/Fixtures/Lionel-Messi
Keep in mind that Messi has the most goals in Europe by far and also many assists. I don't see how he has fallen out of the top 3?

Neither can rolando. Nor he can create nor direct plays either. He can only poach.

Offense is the best defense

Most modern midfielders can't defend. Shit argument.

dude, he can play lower and become superior to pirlo, he'll never stop playing

I think he's genuinely using ballon d'or voting as a method of defining quality

asado y vino

Just the truth man.

He has beaten Messi too in my mind. Messi has had bad years off, 13/14, 15/16. And last year. He looked fat in 13/14, doesn’t take care of his body as well as he can.

He was inconsistent last year. Cost them the CL. This year he’s been good. But you can’t excuse bad years just because he bounces back.

>17/18
>bad off year

Will Messi retire in a few years time or do the alpha thing of dropping leagues so he can play into his 40s? He seems like he loves playing rather than living a celebrity lifestyle.

He scored 41/46 in 13/14 and 41/49 in 15/16. That’s inexcusable.

It’s why he gave up the Ballon Dor lead.

this handsome man is better than both missi and penaldo. prove me wrong

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>The point isn’t that he hasn’t had a good year now.
>This year he’s been good.
What?

He said he will play in Barcelona until it's obvious that he can't play anymore.

posted the wrong picture by mistake. must be fate because mullel is much better than misshit and raPenaldo too

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Lew is in his team

wtf wrong picture AGAIN. this fate thing is getting obvious because GIROO~ happens to be on a couple of levels above losers like missi and raPenaldo too!

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Dude, I can’t be more clear. This year has been a bounce back year but last year was not good. That inconsistency is why he can’t be considered the top where Ronaldo is. Ronaldo hasn’t had a bad year in a decade.

But could he move back to Argentina afterwards?

He can actually defend pretty well if we consider the forwards' standard
He has no stamina though

you are wrong, ronaldo also had a year where he didn't make it to the top 3 in the ballon door

no, argentina has crime issues, he said it's very hard and just a dream

>more

I have heard absolutely no one say this except you

>Messi has had bad years off
What ? He consistently has 40+ goals and 15+ assists every year
>He was inconsistent last year. Cost them the CL
Again what ? Then what should we say about Ronaldo who completely disappeared in SF and Finals last year ? Your team winning doesn't mean you actually showed up

2009-10. The year he goddamn changed his club and country. If you know anything about football, that’s not easy to do and there will be an adjustment period.

That’s how I see it. I’d rather pick the guy who’s stayed consistent for a longer period of time and not had bad years off.

All Iknow is it's going to be really weird when he retires.

I don't really care who you'd pick though kek

The goal ratio dropped significantly in 13/14, 15/16 as the main scoring option. Below 0.9 when Ronaldo’s has stayed near 1.0 and his own 1.0 standard. Despite never changing clubs or significant injury.

I’m not going to overlook that. It’s history and there’s nothing he can do about it.

Whatever man. The stats are what they are. Messi can’t do anything to change it now.

as his legs continue to decline, the prevalence of double marking will eliminate him from relevance

He wasn't the main goalscoring option in 15/16 you brainlet
Only 13/14 remains and Ronaldo also has less than 1 goal per match in 16/17 despite playing much less matches EVERY year

yup, so Ronaldo has only managed top-three for 8 (eight) straight seasons
Messi managed top-three for 11 (eleven) straight seasons

Yeah and Messi's stats are still better lmao

wrong
Barcelona's midfielders could always defend, that was always their winning strategy.
when we're talking defense Messi is dogshit compared to Busquets Iniesta Xavi Rakitic Vidal.

I don't really care who you'd pick though kek

O TWAIN

Twain never ceases to come up with bullshit.

If he ever became a second goalscoring option that decreases his value more in my eyes. The only objective measurement is goals because that’s what wins you matches.

Yeah, Ronaldo has the 3CLs to justify that 42/46 season. He won against the best in Europe.

Yeah no, sorry. A year changing club and country excuses Ronaldo. If you claim he should perform whilst still having changed club, you’re being dishonest with yourself.

Plus, Ronaldo still performed for his country in 09/10, so it proves he never dropped a level off, just that Madrid and Ronaldo took a year to adapt to each other.

No it doesn't. Stats don't care about excuses. Sorry Pajeet, better luck next time.

Messi managed over a decade at the top 3

5 golden shoes vs 4

>changing clubs excuses Ronaldo
And yet Eto'o can win back to back trebles in two different clubs with extremely different play styles?

>I don't really care who you'd pick though kek
Says the man that has been defending penaldo in every thread for years

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Messi was injured for 2 months you moron. Plus Suarez was playing GOD like so why did messi think he should score goals when Suarez was tearing shit up.

also
>only using goals as a metric of success and ability

you lost your argument the second you brought up goals

It does. Plus he still scored at a ratio of 0.97-1.0 in 09/10 despite being injured as the next guy below claimed about Messi. Messi has dropped below 0.9 in 13/14 and 15/16. If anything a 33 goals in 35 (09/10) should earn a top 3 Ballon Dor every year since no one apart from Messi comes close to that ratio. Ronaldo shows up every single year.

Those are the stats. Ronaldo keeps the goal ratio up consistently when Messi hasn’t done it in his prime. He should stop eating Pizza and soda so much.

Facts don't care about your feelings.

Messi managed over a decade at the top 3 of the BdO, Ronaldo did not.

Messi has also always been #1 in goals+assists, every single year

>The only objective measurement is goals because that’s what wins you matches
Yes, that's why you need someone to create the opportunities to score goals from the midfield
What Ronaldo is and had always been unable to do

I guess Romario is the GOAT, then. Stick to cricket and shitting on streets, Rajesh.

I have no idea why you are bring feelings into this. Unless I’m speaking to a girl.

Assists don’t count. Only goals do.

Stats don’t favor Messi. He dropped below 0.9, 2 times in 13/14 and 15/16. Messi can’t do anything to change that.

Ronaldo has never dropped below 0.9 from 09/10 (even in 15/16) whereas Messi reached 0.9 only in 10/11 and dropped below 0.9 in 13/14 and 15/16.

Stats really don’t favor Messi man.

>stats don't count

>Assists don’t count.
Yes they do

>Stats really don’t favor Messi
He has more goals than Ronaldo with 200 fewer games played and being 3 years younger

>assists don't count

I have no idea why you are bringing Romario when one look at his stats, he has had many inconsistent seasons in between good ones.

Look I know you guys worship Messi as the next Maradona but I don’t care for either of Messi or Ronaldo. I look at stats objectively and that is what they show.

Nobody can change or revise stats. It’s set in stone.

Assists don’t count. Assists don’t win games. Goals do.

If assists counted, then you have to bring midfielders in conversation of the top players, then you have to bring David Silva/Modric, etc into the conversation.

If you guys want to do that, go crazy.

>Assist don't count

You do realize Messi has a better goal per game ratio right?

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I 'm talking about all time btw Pajeet, not just this season. Ronaldo will not place t3 this year for ballon.

m8 stop it, you're making a fool out of yourself

>assists don't count

Xavi/iniesta were consistently placing t3 for the ballon lol kys you street shitter shouldn't you be scamming old people for IRS numbers

Messi has more goals+assists than any player ever, so bring up any name you want

>assists don't count
This is Twain.

>assists don't count

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>If assists counted, then you have to bring midfielders in conversation of the top players
Top b8

VVD has the best shot probably. Netherlands are the most likely to win the Nations League, and Liverpool still can avoid slipping in either CL or PL. If stars align and VVD has all three to his name, he is sure to win, despite being a def.

C'mon Twain....you don't honestly believe this do you? Everyone knows the 5th place vote is a joke. He leads all of Europe's top leagues in goals and assists......and has scored in the CL consistently as well.

>2019 Ballon D'or winner Messi incoming

He might retire after Qatar?
I guess It'll depend on if he wins or not. He might just stay for the copa america after that,

Argentina has 0 chance to win

the next injury he gets will be the end of the Messi we know. watch him while you can.

If liverpool wins the CL, FIFA will make sure that Salah gets most votes

Mane will win it

It would be a joke, it's debatable whether he's even Liverpool's best forward this season

Nice. Messi knows how to BBQ