This is just embarrassing at this point

This is just embarrassing at this point

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what does brexit mean?

OH NONONONONONO

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based french humour

it means FUCK THE EEEE YOO

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Brexit

Europeans talk a lot of shit, but they're scared of kicking Britain away

mdr

They're the ones who voted for it but keep delaying it for some reason.

I agree with my burger comrade, Kettle the is Black

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But it is the Brits who wont leave.

lmao

Nobody wants to see their neighbors lightning their house on fire. It increases risk.

No Brexiteer will ever be able to answer that in a meaningful way, lol. Bunch of jokers

it's pretty funny how trump has basically gotten the democrats from sanctuary cities to admit these people are worthless leeches that no country wants

What the fuck does this have to do with sports?

phase two of the plan is to invade finland fucking watch yourself sunshine

It's more like our government is incredibly incompetent and are dragging their feet through the whole process.

The country is not "indecisive" about wanting to leave, it is split down the middle. Half the country wants to, the other half doesn't. Many people feel passionately one way or the other - they are not indecisive. Although there are also many, like me, who don't really give a fuck about the whole thing anymore.

I voted leave because I was thinking "yeah fuck the EU, don't need 'em" but actually I now think Brexit is pretty fucking pointless with all the rigmarole it has brought up. We should just stay in, because at the end of the day it's a club and it benefits us. And we're the second largest economy in that club (according to Google's figures for their most recent year of 2017 - France is only just in third).

Will a 2nd referendum happen?

Yes, it's one of the only ways out of the impasse. The political class are unlikely to let brexit happen.

it's a combination of the words Bre and Exit

No. This whole thing is dumb and pathetic. I can’t believe that the Tories can’t come up with a viable plan their own party will approve after three years (and this is generously assuming that they for some reason didn’t start planning before the referendum happened). They should just accept no deal at this point, and we can all stop hearing about it.

no, based Corbs is taking control and finally going to kill off the fatcats and bankers

can't behead the Queen on live tv if subject to EU human rights law

But there isn't a parliamentary majority for May's deal, much less no deal, which the government won't allow anyway. I'd like no deal too but it isn't going to happen

Corbyn will be forced to back a second referendum by the rightists in the Parliamentary Labour Party

I don't think it's immediately likely. We currently have that extension until October 31st right? So I think the government, and parliament, will try and find a deal by then. But it's entirely possible that they still won't by October 31st, and then anything could happen once again. E.g. crashing out without a deal. Although if that were a prospect once again, maybe the EU will say "okay we will give you a bit MORE time, but ONLY IF you hold another referendum to see if people actually want this". Something like that. Although I dunno, people might see that as the EU overreaching.

Who fucking knows. The whole thing is a fucking shitshow and nobody knows what the fuck is going to happen. But I think the current plan is for parliament to try and agree upon a deal. For a second referendum to be even a possibility, it would probably require some MPs to change their allegiance from opposing a second referendum to supporting one. Because they have had votes on a second referendum quite recently, and they didn't pass.

i like sports

To be honest it's great to see the Westminster system in action as it was before party politics trashed it.

I realize there isn’t a majority, but whose fault is that but the Tories, who, again, have had three years (if not more) to figure it out. They don’t need parliamentary support for no deal, and they can’t get support for anything else. They should just let the deadline pass and we can move on with our lives, instead of this never ending uncertainty.

Yes. Personally, I didn’t vote to leave the customs union or anything like that when I voted Brexit. I just wanted to leave the EU and the European Court of Justice. Anyways, if there’s another vote, I’d probably vote against Brexit. It’s too much of a mess.

When's your next general election. Actually wait are any of these people actually elected?

I hope EU actually becomes the european dictatorship that it was meant to be, and all the former countries become vassals and lose their authonomy. Just because you laughed at UK.

The next general election is in 2022, but May could call one earlier. But given their results on the last one, that would seem a bad idea. And yes, they’re all elected.

I hope we brexit from the CL too and all european comps too, be funny watching the euros starve when they don’t have our £££ funding them

>tfw The UK becomes our 51st state

What do you guys want you state bird, animal, and tree to be?

The government would rather, with Labour, pass its own deal with a second referendum attached than have no deal. That's the only way through parliament. The other way would be for a hard right tory leader to come in soon after May who would either take no deal or call an election. Can't help but feeling that this all leads to corbyn as PM

2022 at the latest, but there will probably be one this year or next, and yes all MPs are elected, obviously not the bureaucrats though

This would finally make football healthy again. Please leave.

Robbin redbreast, Badger, Oak/willow

>Brazzie wanting dictatorships everywhere
man 7-1 really fucked you guys up didn't it

Will be funny watching european domestic leagues collapse and watching all your best players leave for the pr£mi£r l£agu£

Whats northern ireland done for the UK anyway? Just let britain crash out, split NI from the Uk and be done with it

I thought the point of brexit was to keep the dirty foreigners out of Britain?

Won't be possible to field more than 3 foreign players in the PL due to brexit. So the premier league will become like the Scottish league in a matter of years.

Nice selection

2022 is when one is required. But one could happen before then, either by May triggering one, or by parliament voting two thirds in favour of one, or by there being a vote of no confidence in the government.

>The government would rather, with Labour, pass its own deal with a second referendum attached than have no deal. That's the only way through parliament.
You reckon? I sort of hope so, I think that's a good solution. The Brexiteers will froth at the mouth, but I think the government has sensible figures like Hammond, so maybe it could happen. Although the government also has ideological Brexiteers like Fox.

>Can't help but feeling that this all leads to corbyn as PM
I fucking hope not. That guy is a commie tosser.

Footballers are ok, they’re like circus monkeys for our entertainment
Won’t be able to fund your youth without our £££, we’ll just put all our money on devoloping our youth players and dominate the World Cup for the next 50 years. You euros still don’t seem to have realised we are in posisition in which we cannot lose

>I fucking hope not. That guy is a commie tosser
He's a social democrat lol

Circus monkeys who make 1000X the money you get on the dole lol.

THREE BADGERS ON THE SHIRT

A no deal brexit is actually better for corbin as he would have a greater influence on how the economy is rejinked after its gollapse

Alternatively, kill yourselves and stop hearing about it permanently

He wants to re-nationalise basically every industry under the fucking sun. Yes he says he will borrow money at low interest rates to do this, but it still means a massive future burden for the taxpayer. It might just lead to a future Austerity 2.0.

And what are the tangible benefits of re-nationalising anyway? Unless I see some then it seems pointless. I tried reading into it once it seems people disagree quite a lot over whether it would be beneficial. But I think I remember seeing that trains are generally far more punctual and reliable now than they were under British Rail. Although of course there have been big fuck ups, like Southern Rail (which is actually one of my local operators, but thankfully I wasn't relying on the trains when their shitstorm happened).

solid bantz

Based and redpilled

given it a good excuse to rape Irish women and murder Irish babies, to satisfy the inherent blood lust of the Eternal Anglo

>And what are the tangible benefits of re-nationalising anyway? Unless I see some then it seems pointless. I tried reading into it once
t. every libertarian politician and financial reporter ever

Yeah they have to train every day and entertain the plebs, meanwhile I have the whole country working and paying taxes for me.

Your upset because you know I’m right, Finland’s best player is already playing in the championship, once brexit goes through most european footballers will want to play in England because we’ll be the only league that has any money

Correct but corbyn is being forced by his own establishment MPs not to support any type of brexit

He wants to re nationalise a few select industries which are natural monopolies which are over-ripe for nationalisation. That's why so many people support it. His ideas for a national investment bank would not lead to austerity because austerity was never needed and flew in the face of all post 1930s economic thought. It was a decision made by the tories as an electoral ploy and to reduce the size of the state and redistribute wealth upwards because it is what they believe in.

State owned industry does better than private industry in the long term because they are able to plan and consider non profit factors, meaning better social outcomes. An example is in our water services, which face absolutely unnecessary water shortages. This is simply because the private companies won't or can't stump the capital to fix leaking systems. The state would be able to address these issues easily.

Something also worth pointing out is that, despite being badly run, the nationalised industries from 1945-51, after initial struggles, ended up growing faster than companies in the private company. The idea that state enterprise cannot be competitive is untrue.

What is the typical demographic of Brexit and Remain supporters?

Is it really a fight between angry dumb Brexit chavs and arrogant cosmopolitan Remain elites in London as our media keeps portraying it?

so will he do it? it would be so funny

i think germany and sweden also should pack their refugees caused by american wars and american saudi friends influence(they fund mosques, mosques advice muslims to take over europe) and sent them to LA, SF and NYC

pls make it happen

brexiteers can broadly be split into three groups:
>idealists who fundamentally dislike the eu/hate foreigners etc. reckon this is probably a smallish group but they're loud (your tommy robinson types)
>upper middle class/old people who won't be effected by brexit either way but who have some idealised 1950s britain infecting their brain so think they're doing the younger generations a favour (your nigel farage types)
>working/underclasses (typically northern, labour-voting) who feel abandoned by the "system" & political classes because of decades of lack of funding so saw the brexit vote as a way of saying "fuck you" (these people aren't represented by the political classes by definition but they're very numerous)

remainers are mostly younger people or centrist older people (so yes most of london)

the typical demographic is that everyone who doesn't agree with me is a dumb-dumb

i will prove this with a food analogy

The biggest Leave area was both the West and East Midlands who voted 60% in favour, the biggest Remain areas where London and Scotland. London is now >50% white British, and Scotland basically does the opposite of what England wants.

So will the bongs participate in the EU parliamentary elections now? I remember hearing that the April deadline was specifically chosen to spare them the burden of having to vote for an organisation that they actively want to leave

working class = leave
upper class = remain
middle class = split
generally
it had a very high turnout for a referendum, the general gist was both sides universally agreed that the EU is shit (genuinely at the time this was true, although the ones still piping up now have changed this) but the remain side were frightened of short term economic damage if we leave and the leave side said fuck it and lets leave anyway

>austerity... was a decision made by the tories as an electoral ploy and to... redistribute wealth upwards because it is what they believe in
Sorry but I don't go in for conspiracy nonsense. Only things that are supported by evidence. I'm willing to see if there are any benefits of re-nationalisation, but I won't subscribe to conspiracy theories.

Your argument for re-nationalisation has a lot of theory but not much evidence. Do you have a source for these claims? And what would you say about the idea that nationalised industries become inefficient, ineffective, and overpriced because there is no competition to incentivise better outcomes?

Yes. Bear in mind the UKIP won the last euro election in the UK. Leavers have always been more passionate, Remainers didn't give a fuck until the referendum in 2016.

>I have this firmly held belief based on stuff I "tried reading into [...] once" and couldn't figure out
>but your belief must be supported by iron clad evidence and sources

Obviously not every leaver is a "dumb Brexit chav". But Brexit supporters tend to be older, or less educated, or economically worse off, and more likely to be out in the regions than in London. While Remainers are more likely to be cosmopolitan, and young voters especially support Remain mostly, and they're more likely to live in London.

My grandma supports leave, but she's very educated and certainly not hard on money at all. But yes she is older, and a lot of her generation do support Brexit. You will still get very old people supporting Remain, though. But I think Brexit is definitely more popular among the older generations, and Remain is more popular among the young.

It isn't a conspiracy theory, that's what happened, I had believed it was common knowledge by now? It ought to be quite clear that austerity killed the recovery started by Gordon brown. See how the economy drew 2009-10 but then went into a double dip recession when the tories began austerity, just as brown predicted. Read A. Gamble, 'Austerity as Statecraft', Parliamentary Affairs 68(1).

On the benefits of state capitalism I'd read some David Harvey, try 'The Limits to Capital', or try some Stuart Holland. In 'The socialist challenge' he shows that the state sector had done well after nationalisations, and that private sector monopolies ensure that classical or neoclassical economics does not operate as it should.