Who's gonna win?

AGREE

Watch meme magic propel manure to another >Ole's at the wheel victory

I'm at this point, after their 1-0 defeat at Old Trafford, convinced they may actually win the tournament.

Barcelona suck. They'll lose

I'm sure this is a completely unbiased and educated opinion

They played like shit in last years CL and so far have this year too.

They really haven't though. They just need to stop parking the bus so early since it's a meme strategy.
Other than that they are very good.

Some camp nou victories this season:
2-0 against Atletico
2-0 against Espanyol
6-1 against Sevilla
4-0 against PSV
2-0 against Inter
5-1 against Lyon

Meanwhile Man U played like shit against West ham and even their own fans admitted that.
It's impossible for Man U to win this leg.

>2-0 against Atletico
10 men
>2-0 against Espanyol
11th in La Liga
>6-1 against Sevilla
Sevilla always spread themselves against Barcelona
>4-0 against PSV
Eridivise
>2-0 against Inter
Inter are shit
>5-1 against Lyon
French club

If they beat barca there is no way they will get through liverpool

what a useless comment. You are proving my point that Man U can't win in camp nou since they're also shit and can't play Shaw.
Liverpool is a different story however.

All Man United need is 1 goal. Any team can score 1 goal

>Any team can score 1 goal
against Barcelona in Camp nou? They will be attacking the whole time as they always do at home.
If they can score 4 against Tottenham they can score 4 against Man U at home.
Furthermore, their finishing is absolutely dreadful. They had 0 shots on target in Old trafford and couldn't even score a normal goal against West ham with their A team.
I am not convinced that this will end up as anything but a win for barcelona

*Man U's finishing is dreadful

they need an extra goal to surpass the sum of goals varcelona scores mate so it's basically 2-0 since the start

>If they can score 4 against Tottenham they can score 4 against Man U at home.
They got lucky against Tottenham
>Furthermore, their finishing is absolutely dreadful.
So is Barcelona's

Shut the fuck up you stupid royalist dog

>Barcelona's finishing is dreadful
>Barca got lucky against tottenham
>Man U only need to score once
You are a meme. All I can say is just wait until the game and you will realise that you are biased (read wrong).

Are you going to prove me wrong at all?

when you are too small not to cut it into the rugby squad

You don't even know the rules to Rugby

>10 men
You say that shit like they started with 10. If you got a man sent off it's either because said player lacks discipline or because the opposing team forced you into a position where you had to foul them several times.
Barcelona at home is the deadliest team right now, ManU will get steamrolled. You don't know shit about football but what can be expected from a kiwinigger lmao. Go watch rugby, AustraLite.

based

>You say that shit like they started with 10. If you got a man sent off it's either because said player lacks discipline or because the opposing team forced you into a position where you had to foul them several times.
What's your point? It's irrelevant whether or not a player deserves to get sent off. Are you saying it isn't easier to score when the opposition losses a man?

>if you got a man sent off it's either because said player lacks discipline or because the opposing team forced you into a position where you had to foul them several times.
What's your point?

the first rule is not to be small, regardless of what the book says. Last time I was into a hospital after waking up from a coma I heard the nurse saying that you need to be one kilo per cm after the first meter, this is, if you are 1,88 your ideal weight is 88 kg, 1,75 75 kilo and so on. of course this is stupid asf and only true to footballers. the guys playing rugby and american football can be as short as 5'11 and weight up to 200 lbs, being fit asf

Barca's forwards create more chances and score much more than Man U's forwards.
Martial, Lingard, Poba and Rashford are useless at attacking right now where as Barca has Messi, Suarez, Dembele, Rakitic, Pique and Coutinho to score.
Barca has an impeccable record at home in the CL and won for the first time ever at OT.
Barca hasn't lost to an English side at home since 2013.
Man U are 6th in the PL where as Barca are way ahead in La Liga
Barca's defense are leagues better than Man U's defense.
Barca dominated the away game until they scored and then parked the bus which is why Man U looked "dominant". They will get rekt if Barca constantly attack.
Barca has more morale than Man U
Barca has destroyed better English teams at home in the last few years (e.g. Chelsea)

>Barca's forwards create more chances and score much more than Man U's forwards.
They had more shots than Barcelona did
>Messi, Suarez, Dembele, Rakitic, Pique and Coutinho to score.
Suarez, Dembele, Rakitic, Pique and Coutinho are fucking siht
>Barca has an impeccable record at home in the CL and won for the first time ever at OT.
So?
>Barca hasn't lost to an English side at home since 2013.
Not relevant at all
>Man U are 6th in the PL where as Barca are way ahead in La Liga
Leliga sucks
>Barca's defense are leagues better than Man U's defense.
Neither is good

My point is that they were much superior than the rival. If you see the statistics, Barcelona opponents have more red cards than average in Camp Now; brainlets will say that's because of refball, but the real reason is that Barcelona constantly blitzkrieges through your goal area, even when winning.

They were superior because they had 11 men against 10

Back to square 1

Again; you have no argument. It doesn't matter why a player was sent off; that's always going to give an advantage.

>They had more shots than Barcelona did
Doesn't matter if they're not on target and I was speaking in general
>Suarez, Dembele, Rakitic, Pique and Coutinho are fucking siht
and yet much better than Martial, Lingard, Lukaku, Smalling and Rashford. Would you even argue that? Man U's fans don't. Also they do score regularly unlike Man U. This is a useless point since you aren't comparing them to Man U
>So?
so they are extremely strong at home which is relevant
>Leliga sucks
not in UCL and Europa League which is relevant
>Neither is good
not relevant at all since you aren't comparing the two sides. Pique, Lenglet and Umtiti are top defenders where as Young, Jones and Smalling are shocking. Again Man U fans agree with this and they are missing Shaw next match to boot.

Now prove to me that they have a remote chance of winning.

Both teams are shit. You can't ever predict a shit team playing well.

Prove to me that Barca are shit. I bet you can't especially when they are favourites to win with Man City and Juve.

if you're trolling then 8/10, if not then please stop posting your trash tier opinions

>Barça is shit
Antifútbol
ManU is not even shit either. What are good teams right now according to you? Ajax?

Does being the favorites matter? Tell me what Barcelona's odds were to win the CL last season before they played Roma
Tell me that playing down to 10 men makes no difference.

Can't even prove that Barca are shit.
Barca are a good side and you can't even argue that. They will definitely win against Man U.

*argue against that

Tell me what Barcelona's odds were to win the CL last season. If you can't, or don't, you're admitting your argument was flawed which means I have reason to doubt everything you say

>missing the point this badly

Tell me that playing down to 10 men makes no difference.

You don't have one argument that Barca are shit and/or as bad as Man U.
Odds of winning the CL is completely irrelevant.

tell me that Barcalona aren't a very good team who have played well this year
that's the point being debated, you're the fucktard strawmanning over this one retarded point which no one made

>I bet you can't especially when they are favourites to win with Man City and Juve.
Did you not post this? Are you saying the argument you made is irrelevant?

You aren't telling me, which means you must agree with me, which makes you an idiot for trying to argue with someone who already agrees with you

Let's say it is irrelevant. Now argue that Barca are shit. If you can't even provide 1 (one) valid argument you're admitting Barcelona are much better than Man U

>And the leaf blew through the air unabashedly. Which way would it blow? This way? That way? Constantly spinning in the wind, like a dog chasing its tail, never knowing which direction it would take off in next. And so was the reflection of the leaf's mind - a sad, indecisive, uninformed little leaf. Who didn't know anything at all. Not even which direction the wind would blow in.Then the leaf blew me. That leaf was your mum.

This is who I feel about Canadians

I feel great shame that Britain is ultimately responsible for this shit.

>Let's say it is irrelevant.
No, I want you to say that the argument that you presented is irrelevant. I want you to admit you made a bad argument

Holy shit you went full retard Pablo. Reign it back in.

Still can't even argue that Barca is shit even though you're entire reason for them losing is this claim.
You're a fraud and your biased opinion will be exposed next leg.

So you still won't admit you fucked up?

What the fuck is wrong with Oceania? What the fuck have you done, UK?

Not an argument

>Go watch rugby, AustraLite.
absolutely btfo

I didn't though, I was trying to get you back on topic instead of chasing your tail.
I will explain this to you as if you were a child. They lost last year after soundly beating Roma at their stadium where they played very badly. Away, Barca have a poor record and Roma has the advantage. Furthermore, Barca parked the bus due to their lead and to not concede which was Valverde's plan. This was very shit plan however.
This year Barca has won away and will still soundly beat man u who are about as good as Roma to be honest.
They are still favourites this year because they are playing much better this year and have changed strategy appropriately. I stand by what I said. I was wrong to say that the odds are irrelevant in rating the team.
So now argue how they are as bad as Man U and how they will lose. I still think you can't because you are clearly biased and haven't made a single point.

odds against Roma were very High (like they are against United) and they lost in the last minutes in away goal diference at Roma s stadium, still saying that Barcelona is absolutely shit and will absolutely lose at Home is way too much of a strech considering their numbers at home at worst are a tie

They are as bad as Man United because they have a small club manager who is afraid when playing against any decent side or playing on the road. When you play afraid, mistakes happen. Man United don't need to play better than Barcelona, they just need a mistake

That doesn't apply to Man U this leg.
They won against them away and will definitely not play afraid at home. They thrashed Roma and Chelsea at home despite poor results away.
As you said Man U are shit, not decent so your point still doesn't apply this leg. It only applies if Barca play Liverpool.

They didn't play particularly well against Roma or Chelsea at home; they were just clinical, more than usual.

i'd like to see united go through because that's the team i support however i can't see them getting two goals at the nou camp

I didn't say they played well I just said they thrashed Chelsea and Roma which is true. The most important thing is the scoreline.
And they will play clinically again this time too. It's all about playing at home. Camp Nou is a fortress like Anfield. You can see that in previous home games.

>The most important thing is the scoreline.
You can't honestly believe this; not in the modern day. The score line is not always an accurate reflection of how good the teams are. By that logic there's no such thing as luck.

What? The better team won't always win a tournament. Every club wants to win so therefore the most important thing is the scoreline. Are you pretending to be retarded at this point?
Stay on topic. I am not convinced that Man U can win this leg.

so you are saying Ronaldo might not be the GOAT?, interesting

The score line doesn't mean anything when trying to predict the future. Barcelona 4-1 Roma. If we go by that Barcelona are the much better team, but if we watched the game we would see that isn't the case, and Roma would then go through

Clearly Messi is the GOAT according to his stats. The best player doesn't always win as poopee land has confirmed.
www.understat.com

Now why would I think that? What does that have to do with anything?

Pele is the GOAT

How does that relate to what I said? By my logic, we shouldn't be looking simply at goals and assists to judge how good a player is, because that would be the same mistake as judging a game by the scoreline

I mean if you watched the game with bias then of course you will see what you want.
However, the game stats disagree with you. Game stats show that Barcelona played better than Roma at Camp Nou.

Exactly, but the stats show that Messi far exceeds his expected stats more than any other player showing that he is the best player in the world. So while he may not win he has the best stats and I know that you think that stats sum up how good players are.

>However, the game stats disagree with you. Game stats show that Barcelona played better than Roma at Camp Nou.
I didn't say Roma was better, I said that Barcelona were not as good as 4-1 would suggest

Then how the fuck would Roma go through playing away and worse than Barca?
And how the fuck does this relate to Man U going through? How will you explain your reasoning for Man U going through once they get thrashed in Barcelona?

>Then how the fuck would Roma go through playing away and worse than Barca?
What aren't you understanding? Roma dominated Barcelona at home. That's how they went through. You could have seen this coming if you payed attention in the first leg and saw that Barcelona played like shit in that game. If you play like shit, eventually the results will be shit. Maybe not now or tomorrow, but eventually the results will catch up with your play which is exactly what happened in Rome

Youre right but hasnt Barcelona been good at home this season? United is poor, I dont think theyll be able to do a thing.

But that isn't the same as this time. Barca already won away and didn't even try. No matter how well Man U plays they can't win at Camp Nou especially with how abysmal their team is currently. De Gea can't even distribute the ball ffs. There's no way Man U scores more than Barca this leg. They aren't as clinical and cohesive as Barca.

Apparently that's irrelevant according them

It's not about home or away. If a team is shit, then they can lose. If Barcelona can lose at home to Betis, they can lose at home to United

And what will you say if Barca beat them by a wide margin and dominate?

>locality doesn't matter
Okay this is my last (You), don't spend it on American posts.

>Locality doesn't matter
It does to a certain point, but you can't just pick the home team to win every time
Then congrats? I mean It's not out of the realm of possibility for them to win. I'm not going to be shocked and dismayed if it happens

He doesn't understand statistics, don't be so mean. He doesn't even understand how xG works yet he brings it up sometimes.

>He doesn't even understand how xG works yet he brings it up sometimes.
Says the guy who thinks the only thing that matters is the scoreline

Yes but you won't even say it's likely that Barca will win. If they dominate and beat them then I would say it was always very likely and obvious to everyone except yourself.
I'm wondering how you would explain Barca dominating at home if they are as bad as Man U and everything else you said.

I hope you're actually an ausfag and twain is not paying to talk to himself again

so Ronaldo the Goalscorer might not be the GOAT?

Have I ever said that, you fucking moron?

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Thought provoking post mate

>can't even spell Cruyff
I bet you can't even justify your decision

Zoomer here who wants to watch the cool new game, what was a good CL match from last week to watch?

All were pretty shite last week desu, maybe Ajax-juve or city-spurs

Watch ajax-juve, all the other matches were pure semen slurping

>He's onside...Sanchez is in! And this could be the most dramatic story of the season! It's Sanchez......
>OOOUUUUUUGGGGHHHHHHHH. UN...BELIEVABLE! Unbelievablul! I've just said, the last 16 months have just been forgotten in two seconds.

It's coming home.

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h-he's injured, r-right?

>pique homo2.jpg

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Welcome to this thread!
Tldr; a kiwi, brit and spaniard are arguing.

1 is homoer

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