Messi surpasses Ronaldo for most goals in top 5 leagues

imagine if messi played against san marino, faroe or vatican city in the qualies...

Messi will still pass his CL record by the time they both retire, he already has more goals in less games. Cope.

another day, another messoy-tsu thread

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lmaoooooooooooo

he plays against bolivia and venezuela (to whom he lost 3-1 at home, and the same team would go on to be beat by fucking catalonia)
also ronaldo as more goals in tounaments and against better nt's

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>Messi is only the top Argentinian if you include friendlies. Without them Gabriel Batistua is the top scorer with 40 goals in 56 games with a ratio of 0.71 goals per game. Messi meanwhile only has 35 in 85 games for a ratio of 0.41.

yeah, instead messi plays against ecuator and venezuela lmao

Venezuela are about that level

Venezuela is 31th in the FIFA ranking, San Marino is 221st

Pretty much the same, right?

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Check the FIFA ranking

TSUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUU

>it's not even photoshop
theguardian.com/football/2016/oct/07/portugal-andorra-world-cup-2018-qualifier-cristiano-ronaldo

OH NO NO

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Venezuela statpad against shit teams like Argentina, it's not really fair.

so this is the power of Ronaldo

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>Comparing Venezuela (top 30 in rank) to non-countries like Andorra and San Marino who play highschool level football
lol you can't make this up

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what about his world cup hat-trick against 11-man Spain

>drawing against the team that lost to russia

can't really compare across continents, European qualifiers are usually a bunch of farmers+1 good team. In south America you only play against solid teams

Can't wait for these two to retire desu

That was mostly because of De Gea. The guy was fucking crucified here.

Always makes me laugh when people bring up stats to compare the two. Ronaldo turned into a pure poacher and became autistic about scoring goals just to be able to keep up with Messi. Meanwhile scoring is just a bonus for Messi, his primary role is playmaker. Kinda pathetic when you think about it.

It gets even better when you check the difference in knockout stage goals

this

fatigued with them just like with federer. just be done already. don't they have any other hobbies

>tfs
>tps

Federer is such a boring boomer

/thread

CHI

I bet both of my kidneys that your NT would get smashed at an away match versus bolivia.

besides the free kick the other two goals were flukes

stat padding league

>Luis Suarez's best season in la Liga: 40 goals
>Luis Suarez's best season in Eredivisie: 35 goals

Surely impressed by Messi's ability to statpad against Spanish sides when even Dutch defenses are more solid.

>francefrican bait

This guy paid 4000 lira to make this post let that sink in.

the annihilator of alaves

daaaamn

rekt

CL games
Ronaldo 150
Messi 110

Who cares both are great
METSSU METSSU METSSU METSSU METSSU
METSUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUU

BTFO

>40 more CL games
>only 16 more goals
>only 7 more assists
OH NO NO NO NO

>everyone thinks ronaldo is a diva
>messi gets icardi and dybala benched from team
why is this

This scares Ronaldo, makes him uncomfortable.

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>>messi gets icardi and dybala benched from team
>no proof

there are articles about it when icardi got left off the team last world cup, even dybala said they don't have a good relationship

>has over 40 more assists in 21 fewer games
Fucking W E W.
>has only 3 fewer goals in 21 fewer games
AH AHHAHAHAHAH.

How is this an argument on who's better? Messi is miles ahead better. What's funnier is that Barca's team is dogshit compared to Juventus.

Goat!

I wonder if the Jews in the media overhype him in anticipation of him coming out of the closet and further glorifying/normalizing homosexuality

>even dybala said they don't have a good relationship
You're a retard.

>31th

also checked

Nigga the venezuelan team comes from being u20 world cup finalists in 2017. They know each other in the field and play rather well because of it.

>Venezuela - 32nd
>USA - 25th
Venezuela sucks ass

The Clutch Chad against Europe's top teams - Ronaldo
The virgin bully of spanish farmers - Messoy

>he's only played in one league
Cringe

>caring about FIFA ranking
wanna know how I know you're a dumb american?

yet Brady is still GOAT

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Now post the number of CL games they played, chicano subhuman

Venezuelans literally don't have food to eat.

Most of the players live in europe.

>pass it 5 yards and let Ngubu run for 30
nah

>Messoy fans: scoring against Venezuela is better, check the fifa rankings
>also Messoy fans: goals against Lyon and Eibar are just like goals against Atletico and Bayern, therefore Messi is goat

oh no no no

>Ronaldo: 11 semifinals 13 goals
>Messi: 8 semifinals 4 goals

oh no no no

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>Messi
>66 Group Stage goals
>26 Round of 16 goals
>10 QF goals
>4 SF goals
>2 Final goals

>Ronaldo
>61 Group Stage goals
>23 Round of 16 goals
>23 QF goals
>13 SF goals
>4 Final goals
Really makes you think

>football players
>same as commoners
why is it always the leaf? fucking hell

You don't realize how shit some NT are
They lose all their games 7-1
Ronaldo scored 4 against 9-men Andorra for Christ's sake

>one goes from top team to top team
>one is the top team

are you retarded or something, both ecuador and venezuela have some top-tier players and throughout their history have had some very competitive squads.
san marino, andorra etc are villages

official goals against Brazil: 0
official goals against Venezuela: 4
official goals against Germany: 0
official goals against Paraguay: 4
official goals against Chile in 2 consecutive copa america finals: 0
official goals against Ecuador: 4

friendly goals against Germany: 1
friendly goals against Haiti: 3
friendly goals against France: 1
friendly goals against Guatemala: 3
friendly goals against Hong Kong: 2

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CAN YOU ALL STFU EVERYONE KNOWS MESSI IS BETTER ONLY HOMOSEXUAL ZOOMERS PREFER RONALDO STFU YOU GAY CUNTS

>Messi will still pass his CL record by the time they both retire
I really doubt Messi will score 25 goals in CL knockouts until he retires. he got like 16 since 2012.

Based mauler of malaga. Destroyer of Deportivo (La Coruna). Eliminator of Eibar.

>one has played in 1 top league his entire career
>one hasn't played top 5 league soccer his entire career

kek, messi fags bltfo again

B A S E D
A
S
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Yikes.

I will never support a short man

Just imagine being Rapenaldo, the greatest stats padder in the history of the game, yet there is this absolute autistic monster called Messi who is better at everything.

If Ronaldo wins the UCL with Juve, a literally impossible feat, then UEFA should strip Messi of all the Ballon D'Or and award Ronaldo.

>literally impossible feat
Juve has made 2 finals in the last 4 years

There's two tournaments: the UCL and the UCL final.
Juve is the master of the UCL and the shitter of the UCL final.

Ronnie has been useless in more than half of the CL finals he's played and still got carried by his team

please, im too lazy for this shit again. Upload the stats. Thanks

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Was useless in both finals against Atletico and against Liverpool, statpadded against Juventus and would've won 2-1 even if he hadn't scored and was the only person on his team who missed his penalty in the penalty shootout when at Manure and had to be carried by his team over the finish line

>What's funnier is that Barca's team is dogshit compared to Juventus

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Dribbling - Messi
Passing - Messi
Vision - Messi
Skills - Ronaldo
Long shoots - Ronaldo
Positioning - Ronaldo
Speed - Ronaldo
Heads - Ronaldo
Weak foot - Ronaldo
Penalties - Ronaldo
Free kicks - Ronaldo ( Messi - 40 free-kick goals in his entire footballing career , Ronaldo - 53 )
Physical - Ronaldo
Mental - Ronaldo
Bicycle kicks - Ronaldo
Goals - Ronaldo 657 , Messi 616 goals ( Ronaldo 33 years , Messi 31 -
But considering Ronaldo's physique, we do not know if he will retire before Messi.)
La liga - Messi
Premier league - Ronaldo
Champions league - Ronaldo ( 5 ucl Ronaldo 121 goals / 40 assists , Messi 4 ucl 100 goals/27 assists )
International -Ronaldo ( European champion , 84 goals ronaldo , 64 messi)
The ability to win with all the teams he played- Ronaldo?

Ronaldo has inspired his nation to dream bigger by taking them to become champions for the very first time.
That's the end game of a Football player, to become something more, a hero. Ronaldo has that, but what has Messi done for his fans? What has Messi achieved?
Dribbling some PSV defenders isn't worth a second thought. Being technically skilled barely means anything. Winning 10 championships for his club is good, but outside getting the praise of a couple hundred thousand affiliates, no one will get that happy for that.

What Ronaldo has and Messi hasn't is an entire nation that idolizes him as the player who allowed them to proudly show their jersey with their national team's colors. Argentina has that too, but in Maradona.

Tell me with a straight face that doesn't make him better than Messi.

Dribbling - Messi
Passing - Messi
Vision - Messi
Skills - Messi
Long shoots - Messi
Positioning - Messi
Speed - Messi
Heads - Ronaldo
Weak foot - Messi
Penalties - Ronaldo
Free kicks - Messi (can score in multiple ways)
Physical - Ronaldo
Mental - Messi (fewer red cards)
Bicycle kicks - Ronaldo
Goals - Messi
La Liga - Messi
Premier league - Messi (more goals against top 5 teams in fewer games player)
Champions league - Messi (took fewer games to reach 100 goals)
International - Messi (actually made it to a WC final)
The ability to win with all the teams he played - Messi (carries abysmal Argentina around)

cringe
based

Alright let's break this shit down.
First
He was almost scoring in those matches against Liverpool and Atletico and let's not forget that he was the top scorer of the UCL and RM was loaded with goals thanks to him.

Second
That retarded "statpadded against Juventus" is fucking retarded. If that's your point the same could be said they would've won 2-1 if his teammates didn't score. What's your point?

Third
Yes he missed his penalty but let's not forget that it was thanks to him they got into the penalty shootout. If it was Messi you wouldn't be saying that and if they lost you would be saying it was literally everyone's fault and not Messi

Fourth
How come he got carried by his team when he also contributed to their success? Do you even watch football?

and Fifth
>tf
>tp

>Scores 3 against 10man getafe
OMG MESSOY SO GOAT MESSOY MESSOY

Messhit would be exposed if he ever had played in any other team or league

>Mental - Messi (fewer red cards)

¡Jajajaja!

Retarded criteria. Mental = not shitting her pants during the most important moments

Nice try, though?

CL wins - Ronaldo
Euro cup - Ronaldo
eplel win - Ronaldo
maffia league win - Ronaldo
balloon door - Ronaldo
nuff said, what has messi won besides Barcelona league ?

>Scores 4 against 9man andorra
OMG RONALDO SO GOAT TSUUUUUUUUU

theguardian.com/football/2016/oct/07/portugal-andorra-world-cup-2018-qualifier-cristiano-ronaldo

>Messi 4 finals 0 titles
>Ronaldo 2 finals 1 title
MESSI MESSI MESSI MESSI MESSI MESSI MESSI MESSI MESSI MESSI MESSI MESSI MESSI MESSI MESSI MESSI MESSI MESSI MESSI MESSI MESSI MESSI MESSI MESSI MESSI MESSI MESSI MESSI

that retard just keeps saying that, it's the worst part of these autists, if they get taught a lesson they don't like they just ignore it unless you slap them around irl

Last comment to try to grace the small brains of Penaldo fans because I am not filling another captcha to enlighten worthless low IQ retards

Ronaldo is abysmal in finals. Euro 2004, lost. Euro 2016, the team won without him. CL 2008, missed a penalty, team bailed him out. CL 2009, lost to MESSI. CL 2014, team bailed him out and scored a meaningless penalty. CL 2016, bailed out again. CL 2017, his only good game. CL 2018, bailed out again and ended in tears despite winning because Bale overshadowed him. Messi has never needed extra time or penalties to win the CL and was the MOTM in all 3 of them.

>EuroCup
>Ronaldo
He didn't play the final. Also, coming third in a group with Hungary, then beating Poland and Wales isn't an accomplishment.

>EPL
Messi has better stats against EPL teams than Ronaldo.

He didn't play the final. His teammates won that Euro for him. They played better without him. The fact is, Portugal has never won a final with Ronaldo in the pitch (they lost it).

>He didn't play the final. His teammates won that Euro for him. They played better without him. The fact is, Portugal has never won a final with Ronaldo in the pitch (they lost it).
Yes he did? Just because he came off injured it doesn't mean he didn't play in the final retard. If so then Messi only has 3 Champions league lel

OH NO NO NO NO

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>Almost scoring
Pretty sure you don't get on the scoring sheet for almost scoring, Rajeesh

>How come he got carried by his team when he also contributed to their success? Do you even watch football?
Do you know what the word "final" means? You only know how to speak one language, at least try to be proficient in it. The Juventus final and the final in Manure were the only finals where he wasn't useless, in the other finals he had to rely on fucking Bale and Ramos to score for him

>FirstHe was almost scoring in those matches against Liverpool and Atletico and let's not forget that he was the top scorer of the UCL and RM was loaded with goals thanks to him.

You got to be shitting me. He was by far the worst player on the pitch in both Atletico finals

Well Last Liga always the Mardid league, so the fact that it changed to the Barca league while CR7 was at Madrid speaks to Messi's impact. Messi also had a world cup golden ball. It was a shit award but so was Ronnie's Euro win.

>Do you know what the word "final" means? You only know how to speak one language, at least try to be proficient in it. The Juventus final and the final in Manure were the only finals where he wasn't useless, in the other finals he had to rely on fucking Bale and Ramos to score for him
He got his team there, and he scored in the penalty shootout didn't he? Did you forget about that? Or you only remember when he misses? Fucking retarded abdul

>What I say is true LMAO XD

Champions League, goals per minute

Messi, 1 per 99 minutes (12 penalties, 0 offside)
Ronaldo, 1 per 111 minutes (16 penalties, 3 offside)

>b-b-but they are not important

Messi
131 games
35 game-winning goals (27%)

Ronaldo
160 games
37 game-winning goals (23%)

>b-b-but group stages / Round of 16
Ronaldo
Out in round of 16 - x3
Out in group stages - x1

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Ronaldo as 4 eliminations (25% of the tournaments he played) in rounds that "don't matter"

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Tell me how shitting his pants in the WC vs the exactly same defenders he banged 3 some weeks ago is not mental weakness

Can't wait the shitpost when Tsuman wins UCL with Juve

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You must be completely in love with him to deny his beyond weak performances in those finals

Who isn't? You must accept Tsunaldo as your only reason to live and praise for his beauty and how mighty he is. Ronaldo will be remembered more than Messi like it or not. Messi has never done anything for anyone to remember him. If anything is his 4 finals with Argentina and his chokes

Damn, he scored in the penalty shootout despite being so bad in the final that his fucking center back had to score because he couldn't do it? Truly a GOAT performance from the "best big game player in the world"

>united wins lol era
>juve wins lol era

why did penaldo only win lel liga twice?

Because he was busy winning 4 champions league, something Real Madrid only cares about

Wow, thanks for agreeing with me for once. At least we can understand that Ronaldo is a very good football player

Yup, only Real cares about it, that's why Messi have won 4 CL's on top of two trebles

Messi only has 3 because he didn't play in the final. Isn't that what you said?

Nope, I said Ronnie didn't carry his team in the final

>statpadding in CL finals

ronaldo > messi confirmed

Neither did Messi but you fags keep saying that his UCL counts even though he didn't play 1 second but say Ronaldo didn't win a Euro despite playing most of the first half

Feel free to point out where I said Ronnies Euro doesn't count

if its so easy, why doesnt everyone do it? check and mate.

You Ronaldo haters are all the same. And I'm pretty sure you said that shit in previous threads because there is only 1 retarded swedish muslim inbred that complains about Ronaldo on this board

Again, Rajeesh, if you only know how to speak one language then at least try to be proficient in it.

all your arguments are cmpletely invalid b/c literally the season since ronaldo has left Real:
>most loses in a season since pre-ronaldo era, literally the year before he joined
>most losses in a season with Ronaldo:6
>Real madrid this season: 15
>Bale + Benzema goals against top 10 la liga teams: 4 goals
>eliminated before the semi's of the CL since 09/10 (losing in the fucking Ro16 to >ajax)
>Zidane has more losses with ronaldo than he has wins without him; literally exposed

both Zidane and Real have been absolutely exposed this season without ronaldo. And now he's carrying fucking Juve, and as anyone who's watched them knows their fucking trash tier this year, pulling the luckiest and shittiest 1-0 wins in serie A.

Ronaldo literally pulled them back from a 0-2 deficit in the CL to ATLETICO MADRID, considered one of the best defensive teams in the world.
>Carrying them in the league; most goals and assists on the team
>dragging them through the CL

a guy with his CL numbers, especially in the knockout stages, is the exact opposite of a stat padder.

Ronaldo joins
09/10 - Round of 16
10/11 - Semifinal
11/12 - Semifinal
12/13 - Semifinal

Zidane joins as ""assistant""
13/14 - Winner

Zidane leaves to coach Madrid B
14/15 - Semifinal

Zidane joins as coach
15/16 - Winner
16/17 - Winner
17/18 - Winner

I already told you to stop posting

lmao completely ignoring my post, cherrypicking the absolute hardest

>everything outside of the present counts for my argument

like i said, this season completely BTFO any argument that he was carried. HE was doing the carrying

>muh muslim
Don't you have anything else?

I'm calling you an Indian, Rajeesh, and if I wanted to hear the opinion of an Indian then I'd call the Microsoft customer service

>doesn't have anything else
Looks like the victory is mine then.

Yeah, you sure showed me when you make up things I haven't said because you don't have any other arguments and isn't proficient in the only language you speak and then call me a muslim

I'm telling you Ronaldo is better than Messi and what do you tell me?
>Muh rajeesh
>Messi can perform godly against 10 men eibar
>It's not his fault that Argentina loses every final but it's Ronaldo's fault when his team loses
Just stay quiet and admit that you don't have anything to counter argue me and just wait until your messoyfags return

So, Messi is three years younger and already has more league goals with penalties? Unreal.
What's the league goal count for both minus penalties?

Ronnie fans claim he's the "best big game player in the world" when he's been shit in more than half the finals he's played, nobody says that about Messi. So your argument for why Ronaldo is better is that his team wins finals for him despite Messi being better at football when you actually watch them play, having won more trophies and having better stats

>Messi being better at football when you actually watch them play, having won more trophies and having better stats
See
The only teams you see Messi perform is against farmers

Remember when everyone was spamming RONALDO HAT TRICK before the match against Atletico? You were all still talking shit. When Messi played against >Lyon you all went MESSI MESSI MESSI

And should I remind you that Ronaldo is older?

we play bolivia 5000 m above the sea tho

>Two headers and a weak pen against an Atletico with zero shots on goal
Lyon played better than Atletico did and Messi had both goals and assists and didn't rely on his team to create everything for him. That's the difference between him and Messi, Messi scores more goals than Ronnie on top of being the best player in Europe.

>And should I remind you that Ronaldo is older?
And according to himself he has the body of a 23 year old. Ronnie has only 3 more goals scored than Messi across their entire club careers despite Ronnie playing over 100 more games than Messi.

>Lyon played better than Atletico did and Messi had both goals and assists and didn't rely on his team to create everything for him. That's the difference between him and Messi, Messi scores more goals than Ronnie on top of being the best player in Europe.
>headers make goals worse
>Penalty with high pressure means nothing
No the difference is that Ronaldo shows up when his team needs more than Messi does. Also

>Comparing Lyon to Atletico Madrid
Can you still get any lower?

>Ronnie has only 3 more goals scored than Messi across their entire club careers despite Ronnie playing over 100 more games than Messi.
Now compare his position for most of his carrer to Messi. At MU he wasn't even supposed to score that many goals.

Explain why Ronnie haven't showed up in so many CL semifinals or finals then, or why he hasn't scored a single goal in the knockout stage at the world cup. According to Ronnie fans than CL Ro16 and quarterfinal matches are the only big games.

>Now compare his position for most of his carrer to Messi. At MU he wasn't even supposed to score that many goals.
Most of his career? Messi has always played deeper than Ronnie does and still scores more than him on top of being the best playmaker in the world.

>Explain why Ronnie haven't showed up in so many CL semifinals or finals then, or why he hasn't scored a single goal in the knockout stage at the world cup. According to Ronnie fans than CL Ro16 and quarterfinal matches are the only big games.
He has more semifinal goals and final goals than Messi what's your point?

>Muh wc Knockout goals
And what did those goals give Messi? The title? No. Like I said before Messi has 4 finals and 0 trophies with Argentina. Ronaldo has 2 finals and 1 title with Portugal. Don't talk about NT when you can't even give arguments to that. Not to mention on how Argentina's team is better than Portugal's

Wingers are not supposed to score many goals retard. Messi played in a position where he always had more chances to score than Ronaldo at MU, and yet he still was a beast.

And tell me when the "best playmaker in the world" makes an assist like this with his week foot

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>week foot
based and calendarpilled

>getafe
lmao look at dis niga

Dude
Your first point is all about ronaldos seminfinal goals
Your second point is explicitly saying goals not in the finals mean nothing
Are you even listening to yourself?

nigga you'd be hard pressed to find another assist from Ronaldo that can rival those of Messi

>>>gtf/out/

first point is Ronaldo has much more goals in the CL semis and finals than Messy, second point is how Ronaldo not having any goals in WC knockouts is a nitpicked irrelevant stat, I'm not even sure Messy has any but 1 or 2 certainly won't make him better when TSU has an actual trophy with his NT

>Growth hormones will always be superior to hard work

Ftfy

>Ronaldo doesnt take roids too
>Messi doesnt work hard
Both of you are retards

Post all the stats you want, but I've never seen anyone do the stuff that Messi can do. The eternal GOAT

how many CR7 vs Messi threads do we need?

Robben did the same shit except he doesnt take weird chemical substances and he got injuried

one for every goal scored by one of them

why did he need Bale and Zidane for 16 of his Real titles and only won shit before then you clown

>Robben
LMAO

>American reading comprehension

The anglo messoi tard to the rescue
Yeah because bolivia and venezuela are so hard... Don't worry argentina bro, you still have maradona, manu and fangio. Messi just isn't as good as Ronaldo, it's ok.

I'm waiting for a better assist than the one I posted.
Oh wait don't have any? That's what I thought.

How argue can Ramos didn't carry Ronaldo to the 2 Atletico CL final wins is beyond me. Also luck at Griezmann chocking a penalty.

>How anyone can argue*
fuck

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Comparing Messi and Ronaldo is the ultimate apples to orange comparison.

Messi is a fuckin 10 and Ronaldo is a 9 thst wears a 7.

The fact that they're even remotely close on goals shows Messi is light years ahead.

For you rapealdo fags too dumb to grasp what I'm saying... Messi has the heatmap of a midfielder yet for some reason has the goal scoring prowess of a outright #9 striker.

Does anyone on earth think rapealdo is even in the same hemisphere as Messi when it comes to pass and play making?

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