Week 9:
>Saturday
Memphis Express (2-6) at San Antonio Commanders (5-3), 12pm EST (CBS)
San Diego Fleet (3-5) at Orlando Apollos (7-1), 8pm (NFL Network)
>Sunday
Salt Lake Stallions (3-5) at Atlanta Legends (2-6), 4pm (B/R Live)
Birmingham Iron (5-3) at Arizona Hotshots (5-3), 8pm (NFL Network)
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the Star in Frisco will be a sell out for the AAF Owl. But only if I get digits.
One one hand, as the iron, I'm happy we just made the playoffs but... It also means we face the Apollos twice in a row in Orlando. Totally looking forward to that! God help us.
Liked that post. Good Luck, I just hope Commanders win in first round. Waiting to buy me tickets for the Owl
>General for a league dying this week
Can confirm it's not dying. Seems like Dundon was blowing smoke to get NFL dudes to join the AAF. seems everyone else was in disagreement. Also at the iron game there was a big "fire Dundon" sign. Iron game was packed though. I know official attendence was 17k but there was probably 25k+ in the stands at one point.
Post yours anones
So with Vick coming to the XFL, how can the AAF compete?
Hi Vince!
By being here first.
XFL players will be AAF rejects sp there's that
boats desu
JUST
Commanders
Cumshots
QB expanded stats, RBs under construction and will soon add WRs and TEs
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>having a strong opinion about Salt Lake, one way or the other
When you find the word 'mediocrity' in the dictionary, you just find a picture of the Salt Lake stallions.
Dare I say, THE Orlando 'pollos
lol no
We're gonna tank week 10 but we intend to win the east!
>THE Orlando Refballers more like lmao
BASED
cringe
Commanders are >my team
Apollos I respect
Iron and Hotshots lost my respect and the fans are annoying
Stallions are loveable losers
Fleet are rivals but the memes are endearing
Express are a joke, it's less hate and more disgust
Legends have nothing going for them. No memes, Awful names. Nigger color scheme. Worst of the worst.
or anything salt lake related, really
I don't know man, 2 of their loses were extreme bad luck (b'ham won because of a fluke vs the 2nd string QB and SD because Berco decided not to suck that one dragon in the last min) and SA was VERY close the whole game, they have a very good defense and an ok offense, they really ain't as bad as their record tells
BASED
No championship game tickets on sale! The AAF can’t keep promises! They are folding guys!
the FLEET will beat the ap*ll*s this week
who the fuck holds a bow like this lmao what a retard
Anyone who thinks this league isn’t finished is in denial desu.
After today, I just hope the xfl takes the 3 highly attended teams in so that they can have a 10 game season with no repeat opponents. San Antonio and Houston would be fun away games for me to go to and vice versa. There were some Arizona fans in San Antonio, it was a beautiful thing.
he was the best QB in the AAF and theres nothing you can say to change my mind
fleet would be 7-1 under his wise leadership and undefeated if he started the season
i will never forgive those vile memepiss express renegades for this
Does this mean the AAF will continue?
i wonder if the league folds that the xfl would take in teams from the aaf. i mean why not, san antonio, san diego both had high attendance numbers they should be interested in bringing that in
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And might as well include Atlanta, though they should find a better stadium.
6-2 at absolute worst. I watched some of his play in the commanders rematch in w3 and the first half against the express and he had it so together. There's so many fuckups that Bercovici made in the ensuing games that Nelson wouldn't have.
Not even a top 5 QB desu
Rolled 2 (1d6)
booga
*sleeping giants*
>sleeping
Agree
>giants
Disagree
they're not just giants.
they r LEGENDS
Heads: GodSquad wins
Tails Feet loseCoin Flip: Heads
Yeah, they are legendarily bad lmao
so is Spain, but here we all are.
So is the AAF really dying? Last I heard the finances and attendance wasn't looking good outside two teams.
Finances are sealed for at very least 3 years, attendance is ok, ratings are higher than expected
It's basically all about an article by >ESPN blowing everything out of proportion. Dundon just tried really bad to strongarm the NFLPA
Some of the reports seem to be from NBC though.
>attendance is ok
Doesn't look like it.
>Finances are sealed for at very least 3 year
Sauce?
I think they made several mistakes. Tickets for the championship are still unavailable. I’m not sure if they are waiting to see if San Antonio makes it so that they can move it to AT&T or if they just dropped the ball on not keeping their commitments.
Probably more like losing money. I mean considering how poorly attended their games are, they were probably scared of having an empty stadium for the finale. At least with their new venue it has less than 15,000 seats so it won't look as empty if worst comes to worst.
Am I the only one who thinks they should have had a name-the-team contest for the teams instead of the league deciding on all of them? Could have been a good way to engage the fanbase and grow organically instead of forcing the teams on the cities.
Which is sad because dfw loves football, and if half of the San Antonio crowd comes up (likely), the Star will be a mess.
Seriously though what went wrong? I mean initially things seemed promising and even doubters were quieted for a while, but now things are unraveling quicker than a car race.
They should have spent more on ads and reduced ticket costs. Should have let everyone under 18 know they existed. Should have invited more hs bands to play at half time.
Not enough teams in big enough cities. Rules didn’t promote close games. They had an appollos game that had a 9 point differential and their opponent had no way to tie and force OT.
But from what I could tell, the AAF was indeed promoted pretty well for a minor league. I mean it seemed more popular than the UFL ever was and maybe was at least as popular as XFL 1.0 or maybe only slightly less.
I thought they said that eliminating kick-offs and PATs was a good thing?
>teams in big enough cities
But wouldn't that only add to their expenses? Plus their cities do seem pretty big, like Atlanta, Phoenix, Orlando, San Diego, San Antonio, and so on.
The UFL was forgettable because they didn’t have enough teams and put them in places where nobody lived.
On kickoffs an PAT’s they can generally go away and absolutely nothing changes. The 4th and 12 play in lue of an onside kick was previously thought up by that crazy coach at Tampa Bay.
The big cities idea was that you need a place that has enough people to have enough willing casual fans willing to pay to go to the game. Plus nfl cities have better venues. The Alamodome is attroceous and much harder to park and get into than the Dallas Cowboys stadium. And I’ll have made the long drive to there 4/5 home games. Going there solidified in my mind that San Antonio should absolutely not host the UIL state championship games because of how fucked parking was. There’s no way anyone would put up with that situation for 3 games in a row.
On a scale of 1 to 10:
1. Do you think the AAF will survive this week?
2. Do you think they'll survive to the Championship Game?
3. Do you think they'll make it to Year 2?
Also, what do you think of them changing their Championship venue?
1. It will finish out the season and have a championship. If they fold it will be almost immediately if they survive, then the NFL will either have to buy, or they will merge with the XFL. Big cities can afford a cheaper ticket spring football league. There aren’t many true football fans, but there are plenty in Texas, that’s why San Antonio did well.
Those were separate questions though, I was going to ask you to rank each from 1 to 10
1. 10
2. 10
3. 6
They changed the venue because Texas is the only place with enough casual football fans. You can think the UIL and Fox Sports Southwest show:High School Scoreboard Live for that. The show makes kids and adults attend high school games. Texas always had great attendance with the arena league. We have enough sports fans here to support games, the ticket price just has to be small enough.
It holds 12,000 people. If they can't fill a tiny ass stadium like that, consider the league officially dead.
>Of course I'm a fan of the Fleet bro haha what gave it away
1. Yes -- without a doubt
2. Yes
3. Unlikely
Smaller venue means they'll be able to pack it out, thus making things look impressive for casual television viewers.
I see the league folding if Dundon doesn't get his way with the NFLPA -- because his $250 mil investment can be pulled out at anytime. TV ratings are low as fuck, attendances aren't impressive across the board and costs outweigh revenue.
I wouldn't be surprised if 2 or 4 teams -- such as Orlando, San Antonio, San Diego and Memphis -- get absorbed by the XFL.
If they had an option to buy them. I’ve looked on seat geek and can’t find them. I want to go. And I’ve seen big hs playoff games at the star. It’ll be a cluster if they try to sell tickets live. Their printers aren’t fast enough and it was a cluster fuck when two big 6A schools met there. Most everyone missed the first quarter waiting in line because they didn’t preprint tickets.
100% agree. Wondering why Memphis didn’t have better attendance.
Same. I thought Johnny Football would've been a bigger pull.
Vegas was a horrible idea in the first place, no one there would care about going to a neutral site AAF game. No one went to games of any of the football leagues there when they even had their own teams.
owners just wanted to fuck there, or else saw the NBA all-star game go really well, and figured "we can do that but without the tradition or goodwill built up by decades of growth in popularity."
anyway, expand into fucking Vegas, ebersol
who SHOTS here
Here bro
>On a scale of 1 to 10:
>1. Do you think the AAF will survive this week?
10
>2. Do you think they'll survive to the Championship Game?
9.9
>3. Do you think they'll make it to Year 2?
6
>Also, what do you think of them changing their Championship venue?
Good idea given the circustances, Jerry Jones giving the League a help is always welcome and 12k seats is easy to fill, if I lived in the US and the Hotshots made it to the final I'd go, and even if they didn't I'd go anyways if I lived near to TX
>>Finances are sealed for at very least 3 year
>Sauce?
Dubdon bought the League for 250M, still has to pay around 175M
If the AAF folds, I hope San Antonio, Orlando, Memphis and San Diego are absorbed into the XFL. The XFL has potential. I just don't like that they have 40 man rosters. Idk why but i don't that change off putting. Means a lot of positions will have little depth
Any AAF team would be much better than the other XFL teams simply due to salary reasons, the XFL can't get guys of the likes of Rashad Ross, Will Sutton or Johnny Manziel with their lame salaries
Also a reason why a merger would be bad for XFL teams
What are the salaries?
>91819927
You’d be surprised at what former NFL stars will play for if they think they have another chance in the league. Kaep is just an idiot. The 2001 xfl had a cornerback with 17 years in the nfl play on the SF team simply so he could be on a championship team as he had never been on one from hs, college, or pro.
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shitty NPC league, nobody knew it existed, nobody cares that it’s gone
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nice post fagatron
dundon OUT
No wonder they didn’t have the Frisco tickets on sale on seatgeek. NHL ruins spring football conspiracy confirmed!
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Did the league launch too early, or was it always doomed to fail?
thank god. one less general
Get on the XFL train. They're actually going to revolutionize football.
NO THIS CAN'T BE HAPPENING, AAF IS IN CHARGE HERE
VINCE IS GONNA BTFO OUT OF EVERYONE AND MAKE THE XFL THE KINGS
OH NO!
OH NO NO NO;
>h-heh, retards don’t understand, the AFL WILL SURIVIVE
Press S to spit on every tard who thought this would last.
spring football will never work. you’d think after like 10 attempts investors would get the fucking picture by now, but no matter what they do differently the result is the same, interest running out and money running out.
if Vince was smart he’d just chuck (futurely sneed) the xfl and cut his losses.
BASED
Vince wins again.
NOOOOOO
THIS CANT BE HAPPENING
>AFL
Ripip Fleet.
FILTHY APOLLO FAGS WERE SO FRIGHTENED TO FACE THE FLEET THEY HAD TO GET THE WHOLE LEAGUE TO SHUT DOWN
Doomed to fail.
There IS such thing as an over-saturation of football. That's reason #1.
Reason #2 is there aren't enough decent caliber players to go around. In the NFL there's maybe 10 teams worth watching, CFL maybe 3. This leaves about 30 professional football teams full of subpar players. The AAF was composed mainly of players who weren't even worth a practice roster slot in either league's shit teams. And I'm not sure if you've noticed, but American Football strategy is pretty much all timing based and the game completely falls apart if the team has no chemistry and is full of scrubs who should know when their time is up.
Reason #3 is the boomers who ran it spent an excessive amount of money on useless shit to make the league look "legit." Football cards, jerseys, an official app that was fun for like five minutes, AAA-quality production crews broadcasting each game, salaries for former NFL players to come and shill the league, all of this shit costs huge money. They spent this money when absolutely nobody was watching or attending the games, and no company was buying commercial slots.
This was the first time I've been a season ticket holder in any sport :(
>AFL
except this is completely wrong
the league is folding because one of the original investors (who also happens to be a nigger) never forked over the money he promised
the league had to turn to Dundon after the season had already started to stay afloat
The AAF fucked itself so many times. Cities too small to show up to games. Ticket prices in tiers when nobody had any interest instead of just selling general admission tickets. No advertising.
The biggest reason that spring football won’t happen is that the NFL won’t support it and the NBA and NHL can’t handle the competition. Baseball knows it can’t compete with football and they don’t want it either.
Hopefully the XFL doesn’t go full retard.
>not thinking the Xfl will meet the same fate or worse
lel, it's already over.
Anyone who didn't see this coming was fooling themselves.
Even on the opening week the stadiums were empty and viewership was low, because surprise, no one gave a fuck.
the league is folding because no one cared about it after the initial spurt. why do you think Dundon is pulling out?
IT WAS GOING SO WELL
People don't actually think the XFL will be any more successful the second time around, do they? If anything, it'll do worse because it failed so badly the first time and people see it as a joke.
so whatre you guys gonna do now just wait for the xfl another sport
insanely based
if your main investor was never interested in the league in the first place, I'd say that's a fairly good indication of its limited appeal
It's got a built-in media fanbase that the AAF didn't have.
ABANDON SHIP
ABANDON SHIP
WEEEWOOOWEEEEWOOOO
are there any other boat/fleet related teams in any other sport? id hate to think all the fleet memes are going to go to waste now
The welfare for former nfl players worried me. Should have ran it like a hs going to a big stadium for a playoff game instead of a professional league. Should have paid players a percentage of the gate and had limited rosters. This way active players would go to middle schools and high schools and hand out bogo tickets. Tickets should have been cheap. But no, they refused to operate on a shoestring budget.
lmao
That’s exactly it though. Don’t market it as super serious, add in some trademark Vince schenanigans and maybe some wresting commentary shit to spice it up and you’ve got something that’s technically football, but also something that people think is fun to watch.
>Built in media fanbase
What. Xfl is doa just like the aaf
I think they can be, they just need to keep teams where people will go. DFW and Houston are good choices. Not sure about the stadiums that they chose.
i was saving this for the game thread but now thats not gonna happen so here it is
garrett gilbert? more like carrot gaybert lmao
People (especially in the media) have extreme nostalgia goggles for the XFL, so the same ones that were laughing at anyone who watched the AAF will be breathlessly promoting and reporting on it.
save it for when he gets picked up by the Redskins
NBA is gay.
The XFL had huge support during the opening weeks and people still talk fondly about it to this day.
The problem was that this was 2001 and social media wasn't a thing yet. There was no such thing as viral videos or ways for people to talk among themselves.
ESPN/SI were your sole places to get sports news and they ran a smear job on the league due to being in the NFL's back pocket. Brainwashed normies who otherwise liked the league and went to the games, stopped going to the games and paying attention to the league.
Was alive and coherent back then. You'd watch the games, some of them were pretty exciting, then turn on The Score for highlights and they'd sit there and talk shit about it.
What if these reports are just a stunt to get people to watch? I am just waiting on official word from the AAF.
No one has nostalgia goggles for the xfl except as a joke
No doubt.
You are 100% correct. They smeared the league and then stole the tech, ideas, and players. These days, ESPN can no longer get away with it.
I just hope San Antonio gets an XFL team, they deserve it and the cross Texas crowds would help both dfw and houston’s Teams.
You think Vince will hire those sweaty men and absorb those sweaty teams for his sweaty man drama football?
Johnny Manziel killed the AAF lmao
Dead general
What if this is a psyop and intended to generate interest in the next 4 weeks of games?
Q predicted this
>Manziel gets himself banned from the CFL to go play parts of two games in the AAF
How would you feel if XFL absorbed the AAF teams and became a 16-team league?
The Milwaukee and Norfolk Admirals but that’s minor league hockey
Fuck off.
You haven't been paying attention to any of the xfl pressers have you, the whole thing is going to be played straight this time around
Fugg
What's Manziel going to do now?
XFL is still pretty far away.
I feel bad for old Johnny
>Play for one drive one game
>Other QB makes a game winning drive in the 4th
>Wife leaves you
>Second game get a concussion
>League folds two days later
Being Johnny football must be suffering
Bring the fleet to the XFL, I have too many fleet memes to get rid of
Those digits!
No you niggers are forever missing the playoffs. Wojak edits aren’t memes either.
It could work as a 15 week League with no repeat opponents (the way football should be NFL) until the playoffs! Even strength of schedule. But i would prefer an eleven team ten week schedule top 6 make playoffs.
I guess you can't get knocked out if the season never ends.
Since you guys showed up, I’d say it’s a descent chance that the xfl lets you in.
What the fuck do I do with all the Apollo's gear I bought now
Wear it along with the Rage stuff, have pride knowing that Orlando always represented Florida football very well!
It's been an honor sailing with you lads
>finally a good football team I can root for
>the league closes down
send it to africa
lol I have a hotshots hat, shirt and beanie
so when them starter jackets go on sale
Need to stock up on novelty Fleet gear
>Spanish intellectuals
HAHAHAHA EAT SHIT AAF NERDS
Die.
I was pretty sure that nobody would fold before season’s end. But damn!
I had some concerns about the cities they chose and the stadiums. Everyone dismissed them. Claimed the model was different.
The whole thing felt like a rush job to derail the xfl. Perhaps the nflpa is just a shortsighted organisation and doesn’t think long term about how a free agent can make himself more attractive to NFL teams? Weird. It’s as if they don’t have ALL players best interests in mind. Practice squad players can be hidden gems. Should have let them play.
so how long before Ebersol gets lynched for creating a scam league that needed miracle infusions of cash to survive?
F
S
Die
He was probably the reason the 2001 xfl did so poorly. I get the since of which bad ideas from 2001 were ebersols after I saw the small cities they chose and those attrocious ref uniforms.
YOU SUCK NIGGA YOU TRASH
ded league
Lol
> not being part of history
Seethe.
The league folded because the fleet cost too much to operate.
No u
Buried
I just don't think there's the market for a secondary football league
wear it anyways, its still decent looking clothes. Wear it in honor of them
Is AZ to San An within driving distance?
XFL has a team in LA. If they add SD and AZ that is within charter bus distance so it could save on travel costs
>tfw you were a lifelong fan for the entire life of the team
Too many cazzies in American Football.
Damn I’m sad. It was an honor Fleet bros.
My younger brother is with the hotshots, said that a lot of players are panicking except the guys that came over from the CFL
Dead league
same
Not really, but I did see a couple of hotshot fans last week. There was an rv from New Mexico there. It was nice. Often the Cowboys has more fans than the Cardinals did at home simply because of New Mexico fans.
God that sucks. We’re you the senpai that was there last week for one of the hotshot players?
God, I hate the cowgoys.
Honestly pretty depressed rn. I really liked this league and was excited watching it develop. Fuck dundon. Hopefully based Vince buys a few/all AAF teams
No, I was going to go to the game in san diego though. I just hope that he makes a practice squad or gets picked up by Vancouver since it's the closest team to me
Sucks for the players desu, feel bad for them. Couldn't imagine having the rug pulled out like that
Fuck that faggot Dundon.
the league is officially dead
seethe
They're having a team meeting in 3 bongs, probably to make it official. I'm just glad the only injury he got was a torn pinky ligament
What’s your favorite sport?
Yeah, the travel doesn’t translate all that well unless it was people going there from Amarillo. New Orleans is also an nfl travel spot. I’ve seen Texans fans travel to Arlington and get on I 45 after seeing the cowboys-Texans game (a series that should be made permanent).
So Dundon was basically a scam
Can't they just play for the XFL?
I hope he can get a nod from them or the xfl next season. Man this really sucks I had tickets next week as well. Fuck the NHL I’m convinced they were behind the XFL dying. Has anyone called Jerry Jones? They should atleast see if there are some investors willing to keep it afloat. This is absolutely shit, but I did see some major idiocy by the AAF.
>have to settle for niggerhoop and boreball til the fall
FUCK
Nah, I blame ebersol and polian. Dundon just realized it was doomed to fail from the start
Possibly
>the virgin professional football league
>the chad gambling app
Ice fight is on too
Jerry is friends with Vince tho
MMA and Hockey will have to suffice.
He also wore an alliance hat. Him bailing them out gives vince the potential to merge the leagues...
>Killed your League
The only reason I'd see furpuck is to the canes get by to desu
Don't think we will see a league merger but I'd expect to see site a few ex aaf guys in the xfl
Yes.
San Antonio deserves a team considering how shit the Alamodome is for fans as far as parking nd what not. Had great numbers.
F
Sorry about it. I watched a few games and liked it.
leagues that aren't the feverdream of a pampered cameraman with more than 6 weeks of prep time
also leagues that don't launch anywhere near the Super Bowl, March Madness or NFL Draft
Short sighted mutha fuckas.
A lot of their players will wish this league exists when they get cut.
Give Eberson's jew lawyer your strength
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Well, they are led by uppity 80 IQ niggers after all
>kills your league to acquire a betting app
gofundme /738qrd4
Kek wills it!
>they made veterans get more money and rookies less
>teams now bin veterans and fill teams with rookies
>(((sources)))
it's already embarrassing as is, please don't go full COPE
The leagues dead, I think everyone realizes that but the aftermath is going to be messy
How so?
Is the AAF a bigger failure than the XFL? At least the XFL played its full season.
Not giving AAF players another chance at the NFL Goddell.
They are full retards who believe in a minimum wage.
I am really fucking sad about this
This league had everything in place to be the development league American football desperately needed and it will all be fucked over by Dundon being a shitty businessman and could have developed into a cool 16 team league in a few years and something to watch when the nfl was in the offseason
I hate what that man has done to football and attempted to do to all levels of football. We need a Texan in charge of the NFL
Would you rather see more rookie contracts like Sam Bradfords?
They should have shortened the season down to 7 games, no repeat opponents and top 4 teams in playoffs. Could have added a game each year they added a new team.
When the XFL fails, have Oliver Luck lead a coup to remove Goddell from his position.
Is honestly think the contract situation was plain fucked in the nfl. I don’t fully comprehend how it got out of control, but vets should be allowed to take in less money.
Goodell is just a figurehead for the fans to direct their anger at, ownership is behind all the nfls bullshit
Not a bad idea.
Well owners love to swim in their profits, so fans are kinda fucked.
Dundon is crazy, but he's not an idiot.
I’m not 100% sure, but I would never have allowed pink on the football field or the nfleurope to fail. I’d have moved every team to Germany and just let it run on a shoestring budget and I wouldn’t have had those useless attempt to develop international players.
Can't be a developmental league if there's nobody to develop. All the "project" players never would have been allowed to hone their skills in the AAF.
There were a couple of decent players that came out of NFL europa
>/aaf/ general - DEAD AS FUCK edition
OH NO NO NO
Oops, looks like this general was accidently posted on Yea Forums, it should go here:
Stop
There will never EVER be another professional or spring football league that is actually successful
We had the USFL and Trump unironically killed it
>Lameme Jackson
And the 2001 xfl which was the fourth league after the cfl, nfleurope, and a large arena league (where most of the players came)
and there will be a few players that will make an impact in the NFL next year or at least make the roster
Jayrone Elliott
Karter Schult
Kenneth Farrow
Jhurell Pressley
D'Ernest Johnson
Rashard Ross
Charles Johnson
Scooby Wright
Terrance Garvin
De'Vante Bausby
Ryan Moeller
To name a few
>XFL 1.0 lasted longer than AAF
So, no games this week?
How will trump get revenge on the nfl? That’s what I am waiting for. The guy has always been a pro athlete’s friend.
Excellent retort. 7-2 as a starter
/r/ing someone make an Orlando Apollos eternal champions pic
Might as well. There must be a fight going on because the official website is still up and tickets are being sold.
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to all my fleet bros: it was a joy to make a bunch of shitty memes for the fleet warmed my soul each time i saw them posted
shout outs to the user who made the anime boat qts, that one romanian fleet fan, that one dude who always posted >boats, and to every other single fleet fan here. love you guys
to the rest of you: even though you chose to not root for the fleet, we still had a little brodom of our own going on and that was cool. we all know the fleet wouldve come back to reclaim the 2nd seed in the west and won the champion ship it was inevitable.
ill miss the cummanders and their one meme, the hotshits, the stall-ions. the west was the best and it wasnt close
to the iron /ironfleet/ 4 lyfe
to the kangs - you were there too
to the apollos you guys wouldve gotten booty blasted 6 ways from sunday unquestionably and lost but your team was alright
to you vile memepiss degenerates i will never forgive you for hurting admiral nelson and robbing the fleet of a 7-1 season
heres to our sad little league forever gone and the autists who stuck it out the entire time
ill miss yall
cheers
Press F to pay respects
F
nice quads flleetbro
Checked
Checked and never forgotten
>I'm happy we just made the playoffs
lol this one day old post aged like fine wine
The Clippers in NBA. I know it's a stretch.
Quads of truth. It was a fun cruise across the ocean of piss.
Dundon as the savior.
Dun
Done
Pick two
Basketball is going to be over soon, watch comfy mls
AAF? More like Gay AF
It was fun shit posting with you guys. Pretty sad we didn't even get the playoffs.
>folding before the season is over
what a fucking shame, welp i guess ill stick to only watching mexican league handegg
The Hotshots would have won the chip this is an irrefutable fact
This.
AFL starts back up in a few weeks with a new team in Atlantic City, perfect for an addict like him.
>the financial backer is the guy who wanted to start the league
>$500 million already infused into it
>has own streaming service so not at the mercy of tv companies
>AAF folding
I'm starting to think the XFL might last more than one season.
It's already funded past one season.
F is for Fleet
So there's more than 2 football leagues now?
I don't follow the (((news))).
So the XFL will have 8 teams in its first season. The cities are:
1- Dallas
2- Houston
3- Los Angeles
4- New York (NJ)
5- St. Louis
6- Seattle
7- Tampa Bay
8- Washington D.C.
Considering the failed AAF experience. Would you change/add/eliminate any of those cities to maximize XFL's chances of success?
I'd take out Los Angeles, Dallas, and Houston. Put in San Antonio, Orlando, and San Diego.
the absolute fucking STATE of twitter faggots thinking some supposed sports-betting app that isn't even functional or legal would be worth $70 - $250 million
(((Ebersol))) lied through his teeth about the money reserves and profit potential
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i thought that going to smaller markets with less competition for viewership and entretainment in general was a good move by the AAF, but they dead anyway, so i dont know
all i want is that the skygod be adopted by XFL/NFL
Damn I just read they suspended operations today
I didn't watch after the first game but, RIP.
I will always remember all the history and culture our great boats community created. We outshined all the other teams combined with our spirit and brotherhood. That being said, it’s time for Vince to make football great again.
Their biggest fuck up was making no money off of the TV deals.
This. The games were literally infomercial buys. Vince won't make that mistake.
Vince will sell rights to individual games similar to College Bowl games.
So for example, week 1 will be Dallas at NY, and there'll be a big Allstate logo at centerfield, both teams will have Allstate patches.
>tfw we all float down here
Lol gay, fuck off.
This.
Kys yourself
Vince is so fucking based. Now he just needs to stop fucking around with jabronis like Bobby Lashley, Drew McIntyre and John Cena and give my man Elias a real shot.
You never beat the hotshots and you never will.
Cities with NFL teams didn't give a fuck about the AAF. The cities need to be in places like San Antonio. LA is gonna be a disaster. I bet St. Louis will have the highest attendance if weather doesn't fuck them. Which is the second suggestion: start it a month later.
Guarantee Seattle will have an ironic fansbase.
They said this about the AAF too.
dafuq
checked
IT WASN'T SUPPOSED TO END LIKE THIS REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE
AAF needed investors. XFL has Vince's checkbook.
Should've started with a single state then work its way up. Growing naturally over the years should be the way to go. Have the league be created for the teams, not the teams created for the league.
I have no reason to believe that anything associated with Vince McMahon will be anything more than a rigged racket.
I KNOW
I KNOW I'VE LET YOU DOWN
lol fuck this shit meme league, xfl will be way better.
Not how Amerifat sports work sadly.
F
Checked
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Goodbye fleet bros
Let’s all be honest here. If you can’t make a practice squad you’re not worth watching. The NFL should be under no obligation to farm out their prospects risking injury. 70 million dollar loss man is an idiot for getting involved without hammering out details.
Lol. Dfw will attend. San Antonio needs to be added as expansion team. Along with San Diego and Orlando. 11 teams 10 games no repeat opponents. Perfection.
Checked
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It was good while it lasts
Nice
You need a large population to get seats filled. Believe it or not, the vast majority of DFW has never been to a Cowboys game, but plenty have seen a state championship game there cuz it is cheap. People will attend if it is cheap.
I'm glad I didn't book that flight to Vegas for the 'ship
>People will attend if it is cheap.
No, no, no. Surely you need "premium" food and drinks and "elite" suites and skyboxes if you want to draw a crowd.
Lol. The uil get 56,000 at the state championship games (for the final game on Saturday)
Pick your new XFL Team.
Lifelong Tampa Bay _____ fan here.
I'VE BEEN A FOOL TO MYSELF
THOUGHT I COULD LIVE FOR NO ONE ELSE
>I bet St. Louis will have the highest attendance if weather doesn't fuck them
It's in the Dome, weather won't be an issue.
in during the STL team is garbage
in during I don't care I just want football at home again.
Might travel to the St. Louis away game. Will def for Houston no doubt!
>Gee, Mr. McMahon! Where are we gonna put all our new teams.
>Just put them in current or recent NFL markets. No way that will be an issue.
Eagles fan, so fuck Dallas, Washington, and NY. Not a fan of LA fair-weather fandom. >12s. Either St. Louis, Houston, or TB.
>tfw not a single team even close to Denver
>The AFC is dominated by New England
>The NFC consists of flash in the pan meme teams
>A spring football league arrives
>Some of the games are actually fun
>This new league looks promising
>New League burns through cash
>All the prime time games are west coast teams despite half the league being in the south east
>League doesn't even last a year
I think I might be giving up on sports.
he's more concerned with AEW right now. also the fact that he's turning 80 and going to die soon. I'm fairly certain XFL won't happen.
Now that would be some real Gordon Gekko shit.
fellow iggs fan, i'm going St. Louis.
Nj fag, will root for New York like always
I remember when the xfl had nj to their name.
Dallas all the way
>A statement from Dundon to the players is expected to come at 5 p.m. ET. No one's sure yet though what kind of press release will accompany it - if at all.
I'll lean their way if I can't decide on which team identity I like more.
Pls be fans of >my team. When we didn't buy a new stadium our NFL team left, and then when we did buy a new stadium our NFL team still left.
>losing $11 million per week for an ambiguously-legal hypothetical betting app
again: cope from plastic twitter
shiggy fucking diggy just admit the founders pulled a fast one
how soon until vince takes advantage of the news cycle to make an announcement and uses the aaf's dead body as fertilizer for the XFL.
Not a bad idea to start signing some of the bigger talents to the league.
Charlie Ebersole couldn't manage a Dairy Queen
RIP
I guess philly was too cold for a team?
STL I guess.
New York exists, though.
Fleet4ever
there are no stadiums in philly that could hold another franchise
As a /lifelong/ Shots fan, at least I'll be able to jump on the inevitable huge merch sales.
>This Was The XFL
an ESPN 30:30 had a longer runtime than this joke of a """football league"""
>XFL
???
let's end this general by posting anime boat qts
F(leet)
So what happened?
From what I've heard, the guy who pledged $250 million didn't really give the league the money, or something like that?
Kill yourself Elias
tl;dr he tried to get the NFLPA to let them use NFL players(like from practice squads or bench dwellers), the NFLPA said "nah" and he said "Well fuck you this is a waste of money."
He gave them 70 of it, took the app, then suspended operations.
Yeah, but that traffic. New yorkadephia can support two teams
To the fleetbros out there, this is bretty gud game.
there is a market,but folks have no patience to wait for improvements in a new league
Wow.
This shit is why you gotta choose your investors wisely.
Well it was a fun 7 weeks boys. I’ll always have my Fleet merc to remember the good times. Shame we couldn’t finish a single season. Hopefully the XFL will be better managed. It actually has a local team too so I can go to some games.
What a joke sports is. How does this show succeed but the AAF goes down?
Quite literally if he didn't throw in all his money they would have shut their doors week 3.
>implying that wasn't just an excuse he used as an out
They were never going to budge. He had no leverage. A PR stunt to not look as bad, as he takes the gambling tech, and runs.
Nobody would pay that for some shitty gambling app
>muh app
there is no "gambling tech" you utter faggots, and certainly not one worth $70 million. Stop circulating reddit rumors and a literal who on twitter
maybe if the league had been legitimate and well-funded it wouldn't have needed a single owner to survive past Week 3
Viewership was doing great despite the lackluster advertising and premium channel deals.
Any real investor would know that their would be a loss of profits at first. Nah, he was just in it for the tech. The founders were looking for an investor, and had a 3 year plan to integrate themselves into the NFL with the new CBA. Dundon fast tracked that, in a seemingly futile attempt.
>Albert Breer
>literal who
Fuck off, Dundon.
What fucking tech? A shitty gambling app that didn't even work right? You could build it from the ground up for cheaper.
How much will AAF merch be worth in 20 years when most people forget about it?
The gambling app wasn't out yet, though? That matched with the actual tech in the pads and balls.
Breer isn't the one pushing the
>$70 million for a non-existent app
narrative. Ebersol has no clue how to run a football league and would have been laughed out of any sales pitch were it not for his father's name
I blame that retard ebersoi, he was a complete amateur
It is a sad thing. They tried too many things. Hired too many jocks. Should have just confined the league to Texas, Oklahoma, and Louisiana. But no had to put teams in obscure places with no marketing.
>Phoenix, Atlanta, San Antonio, San Diego, Orlando, Birmingham, Salt Lake City and Memphis are obscure
Didn't you know user? If you aren't LA or New York you're obscure and flyover.
Breer tweeted it.
The issue wasn't obscurity, it was picking some non-football towns.
They could have picked better stadiums. What the fuck was up with the old braves ballpark? Nobody showed up. 3 Texas teams and an OKC team (Norman) and a Shreveport and New Orleans team would have had some fun travel for me.
True. I don't know why they didn't put a team in Dallas. Some of those cities had no excuse. Arizona should have had better attendance. Should have had their night games there.
Could the XFL buy naming rights? I'm sure they would love to incorporate AAF teams like San Antonio and Birmingham who were pulling in big attendance numbers.
>Breer tweeted it.
because Ebersol's lawyer put it on twitter, faggot
kill yourself if you unironically think motion trackers are worth $70 million
>no more AAF
>no more fleetfags
Why choose cities with a NFL team?
The XFL already has teams in Dallas and Houston. I don't think they're going to want a 3rd Texas team so soon. Besides, the AAF didn't even finish a single season. There's not a lot of loyalty there yet; the XFL could just make up their own brand for free.
Breer is Ebersol's lawyer?
kill yourself if you unironically think folding a league after 6 weeks is worth $70 million
At least Arena League and CFL start next month
It would get cross Texas travel for away games. It's fun to leave town for another one. San Antonio to Fort Worth and DFW going to Houston. What's not to like?
>AAF players contracts will be terminated today, others in football operations will have their positions terminated tomorrow.
>team sucks
>league dies so you get to avoid further embarrassment
Feelsgudmang
Colts
St. Louis, closest to Indiana geographically and culturally
What teams are you going to cheer for?
>shitpost when proven wrong
thanks for the concession. There's no app and the AAF didn't have enough money to make it through Week 3
I salute you, sir
>>shitpost when proven wrong
>but also no argument
>1. Yes -- without a doubt
KEK. I really fucked up on this one, boys.
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So what are the chances the Commanders and Apollos get taken into the XFL? Both had decent attendance and seems to fit the bill for what the XFL wants, right?
Nothing
I'm a Roughriders man
Man this really fucking blows I hate the goddamn nfl and the AAF was fun
At least I got my starter jacket
I didn't wanna spend the crazy money on one but damn they look nice.
also Valor for the AFL
Adding onto this, here's the final attendance figures.
League averaged 15,292 people
Stadiums averaged a fill of 29.12%
NO game ever managed to fill half (50%) of their stadium. Commanders came the closest, at 47.41% and with the league's highest attended game -- 30,345 -- when they defeated the Stallions in Week 7.
I'll start doing tv ratings and attendance figures again when the XFL rolls around next year.
Damn, that is a badass jacket
>city of aaf
but seriously these games were so watchable its sad that frontman was so dirty
i was told they cant be stopped
the attendance gotta have been better than the XFL from before
Nobody expected this league to have a following even this strong in the initial season
The guys running it had bad investors and bad management.
The league could have made it all the ingredients were there except the leadership
>17 hrs away from home
>car full of belongings and nowhere to go
Start driving, brother.
Ouch
lmao what do you mean nowhere to go lol just go home like start driving nigga haha
I live in SF, so fuck LA. I'll root for Seattle.
Well its officially ded, got word that they are sending players home, my brother is already heading for the airport right now
couldn't finish the season like XFL
How's your brother doing? Is he taking the news well, or is he pissed? Does he think that they're 100% or does he think there's still a chance the league could be saved?
>imagine rooting for the NFL
Sick peope
lel, you can't get to the AAF shop site.
Why would they rent out fuck huge stadiums for a minor league?
>AAF folds
>masturbate to boatsluts anyways
it was good while it lasted
Why can't San Antonio have a football team?
One day
He literally just saw this season as a way to make more money and get scouts eyes on him. Some websites are listing him as one of the top defenders to go back to CFL, he was with Toronto the last 2 years
So he's fine with the league folding? How did he find out about the news?
>Why can't San Antonio have a football team?
Roadrunners?
That sucks. Well he got some good game film on him that’s for sure.
mobile.twitter.com
there's your argument, faggot
Ebersol blatantly lied about the viability of the AAF from day one. He then conned Dundon into giving them funding, saying it would bounce them back to being on track and profitable.
All a lie, and when Dundon (an actual businessman) saw what was going on, he pulled the plug. Ebersol has been leaking MORE LIES all afternoon trying to escape the blame, and retards like you, reddit, and twitter ate it up.
tl;dr Charlie Ebersol is to blame
it’ll be first on the list of the league ever expands
I-Iron?
I had a lot of fun shipposting with you
what a shame we never got to see Nelson return
boats?
>have a billion dollar investment
>guarantee solvency with a $250 million shot in the arm last month
>still die
HOW THE FUCK DO OTHER LEAGUES NOT COLLAPSE, FOR $250 MILLION HE COULD HAVE PAID FOR COLLEGE FOR LITERALLY EVERYONE
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it's still hilarious
Would be nice if the XFL adopted the Commanders/Apollos/Fleet.
They won't, but it'd be nice.
>yfw when shit tier "fucking who?" leagues like the UFL and FXFL played more seasons than the AAF
No. The best thing about the AAF dying is we don't have to listen to dumb boat posting anymore.
/ironfleet/
Would the AAF have survived if they engaged the cities from the start? I mean they didn't even hold a name-the-team contest or logo contest for any of the teams, they were all decided by the league itself. It's like the league forced the teams on the cities instead of allowing the fanbase to grow organically. Even the UFL seemed to do better in that regard when it comes to fan engagement.
The UFL was digging deeper holes. At least the players and coaches all were being paid in the AAF.
cbssports.com
Also is it me or is the accent of the guy announcing the team names here really cringeworthy?
Honestly, no, not the way that things were going. Even if they sold 5,000 more tickets to every game in year one, they would have had to pay more for advertising to do so, and they'd be in the same place they are right now. Which honestly should be survivable, but they goofed with the funding and let Dundon drunk drive it into the lake.
Does Spring football just not work?
Expectations need to be set lower.
I meant, would have involving the cities from launch, building fanbases and giving them a role in developing the brands: could it have saved the league or at least helped stopped the bleeding?
>running game clock
fuck yeah
I don't think it would have changed the course too much
It had nothing to do with the play, the attendance or the interest it was literally
It was mismanaged and both times big investors were interested they ran away screaming because it was so poorly managed.
On the play and fan side it was more than adequate for an inaugural season, the leaders couldn’t keep their investors in for the long run.
Killed by cash flow not by bad products or lack of sales, incredibly common in many many buisnessss
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Man that guy's accent is really terrible.
Dundon didn't give them $250 million, he was paying for operation costs up to that number, because they folded early he's only out $70 some million
>Would the AAF have survived if
No matter what comes after this, the answer is probably "no".
Either they knowingly started the season $300,000,000 short hoping to pay the operating costs out of new investors pockets before collapsing (ie a borderline scam)
Or they got corporate-raided by a guy with mysterious motives and/or poor judgment.
Or both.
extra marketing probably wouldn't have helped much.
If that's true, he single-handedly shut down the league. You can't invest that amount and then go "take-backsies" when not even 30% of it has been spent.
What an asshole.
this
vince has an advantage that every one seems to forget. He tried this already and failed, that means he is one of the few people in the world to have experience building a football league, seeing it fail, and having almost 20 years to understand what went wrong. You learn more form your failures.
Was there really no other person/group of people willing to put money in that didn't demand absolute control?
boats
>our only hope of taking football away from the corporate Goodell stranglehold is.... Vince McMahon
who cares about... wait NJ GOT A FUCKING TEAM
HOLY SHIT AFL FOR LIFE BITCHES.
>New York team based in NJ
ill root for them, but i wont like it
Giants/Jets play in NJ though.
replace LA with san diego
First 2 team expansion should be Chicago and LA
do... do you not understand the picture
>Vince and Trump are BFF's
>Trump retires after 2024
>Brings another NJ team to the XFL
that would be the best time line
first rule of business, you need to have capitol to run your business at a loss for a substantial period of time before you start it.
You shouldn't start a league if you cant self fund it for at least 3 seasons.
This is why i have some faith vince can pull off the XFL this time.
boats
WHY DID IT HAVE TO END LIKE THIS?
>despite 0 leverage, make 7 day time limit demand of an organization that takes 5 years to even think about thinking of doing anything
>naturally, no response
>"WELP I TRIED GUESS WE'RE DONE HERE, THANKS FOR THE APP THOUGH"
And over such a retarded ass issue too, as if practice squaders and the #53 guy on the roster would've made a difference.
Hockey was the one sport where I didn't have a clear least favorite team in the league, but that's changed now. The Whalers would never have done us dirty like this
Yeah his excuse was shit, even if he actually wanted such a deal if expected to get it on first try and before the end of the first season is idiotic
I really wanted to see the Hotshots win the bowl
same bud, i think im going to try to buy a hat or something, just as a nice little reminder.
...
$250 million is a hell of a lot of money, even if you're a billionaire.
Whats next for Sackenburg?
sacked one last time..
going to the raiders to compete with Peterman for the starting job
I stopped watching AAF after listening to Marvin Lewis put me to sleep with h is monotone voice after week one.
AAF > Marvin Lewis
Seriously, h e was bad, like listening to someone drag their nails across a chalkboard bad.
yeah, Trump was right. Problem is that every major channel has an NFL contract so you can't play fall football
Developing: Sources say the XFL is interested in acquiring a variety of AAF assets
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/AFL/ was the worst general anyway
c'est la vie
Nice!
so why is reddit blaming Dundon, and not the people that needed to give total control to one investor just to make ends meet?
>here IS such thing as an over-saturation of football
fucking maple nigger. football plays for 21 weeks counting the post season there's over half a year of the best sport not being played while you have boreball, apehoop, and ice fight going nearly the whole year. If the aaf was subpar players then what the hell does that make ncaa teams? subsubsubpar? yet people still watch that
>basketball and soccer pollute the media the entire year
>football ends right after the super bowl
>anyone who tries to capitalize on post super bowl football interest fails
fun
What would Trump's team be called?
The Golden Showers
Something stupid, like every other XFL team, I'm sure
it was the generals last time
this time it should be the presidents
The Trump Cards
>clubs for home conference games
>spades for home non conference games
>diamonds for away conference games
>hearts for away non conference games
I like it
Reminder that the Mexican league that gets shilled by that one mexinon every week lasted longer than the AAF
Go Dinos
The players shaking hands in the parking lot fucking hurt
Yeah that was heartbreaking
God that sucks to see. Didn’t know that I was at the last home game last week.
baby hands
WTF is Ebersol's problem.
if only there were a word to describe a guy who stands by while some more powerful dude fucks his property.
He was utterly desperate for money and gave complete control to a super rich guy.
Not exactly good business sense.
>not having a solid financial plan and budget BEFORE your league launches
This is why we can't have nice things.
Because redditors are retarded, and don't dig beneath the surface to see Ebersol is the real cunt to blame.
i mean...
what you have is a situation exactly like when the Sonics moves to Oklahoma, which Yea Forums has some specific opinions about.
Ebersol placed trust in someone to do a business transaction, and instead of putting his baby in good hands, the person murdered the baby for parts (or moved it to OKC, so basically the same thing).
While this is bad, and Dundon is bad and stupid and bad, Ebersol is the one who had a business plan to beta that he couldn't even predict his assets 8 weeks into the future.
The WNBA is 20 years old, but this dude couldn't make it two months. And before some asshole is like, "Oh the WNBA gets NBA money," well the MLR exists too and is just starting year two. Fuck.
>it was the generals last time
the team that always loses to a bunch of black guys?
>/AFL/
the ozzie one?
>Trump was right.
No, sweetie. No.... no.
the AAF failed because Ebersol didn't have a business plan, gave control to someone with more money, who wasn't interested in running the league.
20 years ago, Trump was denied ownership of an NFL team, so when he bought in to the USFL, he demanded they move to the fall. The league folded the following season.
Ebersol is to blame here. You don't start shooting a movie if you don't have enough money to shoot the whole thing.
to the billionaires, we are merely product
NEW and sadly the last
>500
;_;
even the Lingerie Football League (renamed to Ladies Football League) lasted longer.
XFL should be fine. If they can't get any TV money then they can just use their WWE Network to broadcast games and archive them until they build enough up fan support to get a decent TV deal.
>If they can't get any TV money
Vince is signing a deal with ESPN and ABC (or possibly FOX) I think. They should be fine.
kek
The WNBA by itself would close after 1 season.
Can you keep posting those threads btw? The lfa is all I have to live for now
>Dubdon bought the League for 250M, still has to pay around 175M
He didn't. He said was going to invest up to that much in it, but spread it out over time. The league didn't receive a lump sum.
So essentially, he was running the league week to week. This was known for almost a month now, and people were thinking it was odd at the time.
