>Messi has once again been harshly criticized by his countrymen: this time the 1978 World Cup champion Mario Kempes.
>“He only plays in the NT for money. He robs the other players of all the good qualities which they have; it's as if they don't know how to play, they seem anxious to get the ball and pass it to Messi. With Messi on the pitch, the players' personality is null. He's a virus.”
>win one WC via dictatorship
>win the other through blatant refball
>scream at messi for not winning a WC by himself
I'm really starting to hate Argentinians. Worse than fucking niggers.
Reminder that these are the players that Messi has to play with
Argentines LOATH Messi, most of them prefer Ronaldo.
They really are. There's a saying in SA
>How does an Argie commit suicide?
>He jumps into his ego
>it's as if they don't know how to play, they seem anxious to get the ball and pass it to Messi. With Messi on the pitch, the players' personality is null. He's a virus.”
So wait, how is is Messi's fault if argentinians are such mental midgets
Does it fucking matter? In order to EVEN be considered as a GOAT you HAVE to, HAVE to have won a WC, a Euro, a Supercup, a CL, a ballon d’or, a FIFA world player of the year, a World Cup ballon d’or, and must have played in 2 or more leagues.
he played in our league. very cool guy
>its messis fault that our players, management staff and AFA is stupid
wow I've heard it all.
>2 fish on the team
100% right
Based Kempes
Based
>Messi is toxic to the team, he only cares about money, he's a virus yada yada
>*Messi retires from international football*
>#NoTeVayasLio we made you a bronze statue!
poor Messoy!! Why can’t he play with an all Barca XI!!!
kino tracksuit based moustaches, messoy BTFO
>it's messi's fault Argentina is a mess
>via dictatorship
They blew the shit out of everyone. Not a single goal was illegitimate. No offside, handball or anything. No red cards for opponents either. Netherlands almost wins the final in the last minute but the ball hit the post. Unblemished tournament literally, that's why people cry about things outside the pitch that are irrelevant.
>via refball
Woah, 1 goal out of 15, that truly makes you a tournament winner.
>scoring 6 against THAT Perú
You know it was rigged
You now realize Messi isn't even top 3 among MODERN Argie players
1. Maradona (1 WC, 5 goals and 5 assists)
2. Kempes (1 WC, top scorer, scored x2 in the final)
3. Batistuta (2 Copa America, top scorer, scored in both finals, all-time top scorer in tournaments)
4. Redondo
We scored 4 against the same Peru a few months before that, in their own home turf. We didn't score more than 4 because we didn't need to. Argentina was superior and went all out, whereas Peru was already disqualified.
If it was rigged, why did Peru hit the post twice (2) with the game 0-0?
You know it was rigged.
I dunno about stats but Caniggia is way more based than Messi too
Messi is a hero for even bothering to play for scum like you
You really are worse than fucking brazilians
Shut up faggot
I know it wasn't, because I watched the game out of curiosity, Peru hit the post twice and none of the goals were strange.
We won 14 Copa America and 2 World Cups without Messi. We don't need him.
happy birthday kyouko!
>y-yeah we don't need messi
you wouldn't even qualify for the WC if it wasn't for him
Imagine blaming the best player on the team for its failures and not all the shit ones
You really like sucking the dick of a choke artist?
Thought greeks had heart
The qualification was in danger because his friends (Biglia, Banega, Mascherano, Higuain) couldn't win a single game without him. He picked those shitplayers.
>not even in the fucking team
>its his fault the manager picks bad players and has a bad system
we need a special term for this type of retard logic.
You have to be a special type of retard to not realize that Messi is among the greatest of all time.
it’s called ‘villero argentino’
Let’s just accept that Maradona and Kempes are better than him and get on with it.
He isn’t, how the absolute fuck can you be the goat while lacking LITERALLY 3 of the most important trophies?
Caniggia is the GenX Messöy.
He picked the manager. He sacked Bauza and asked for Sampaoli.
shut up fat
He was in the team when Argentina lost 0-3 to Brazil.
He was in the team when Argentina failed to defeat Venezuela and Peru.
>murricans talking about football
by your logic, Griezmann is better than Messi because he won a WC.
You fucking idiot, Griezzmann is lacking a shit-ton of trophy’s as well and is euro league player at best. I’m talking about leaders who have won it all, Messi is SUUUPER inconsistant when it comes to big games, and isn’t a leader.
What do you expect with that shit team?
How deluded are hambrentinians?
Lmao
Post Argentines destroying Messi’s statue
Why doesn't aguero play he's brilliant
That team was his club of friends + the coach he picked.
>being this asshurt that you made this
top kek
Maradona didn't win shit at club level, not even a CL. Same with Kempes.
Bullshit, Messi has had great teams, he literally just cannot produce with them because he isn’t a natural leader. He needs an Iniesta, a Xavi, a Puyol so he can produce. Messi also hates being Argentinian.
Greece rigged Euro 2004
Then they’re not the GOATs
>He only plays in the NT for money
what money?
They both won titles with small teams. Napoli was 1 point off relegation before Maradona joined.
More impressive than statpadding titles playing with Pique, Xavi, Iniesta, etc. (all of them won a WC and 2 Euro without Messi)
Greece were dirty, that’s true, but I don’t think they rigged it.
Adidas pays Messi to wear Argentine shirt
why long hair and moustaches looked so good in 70s and 80s, but so bad nowadays? men became too feminine?
kino af
No, they rigged it. I don't have evidence, but I feel like they rigged it because the results are so strange, so it must be true
Messi might lose to Qatar and not even qualify.
Worst thing Messi did in his career was not to consider playing for Spain as a teenager.
Kek I know what u mean
They all won titles without Messi. Basically, Messi doesn't change anything.
There’s a timeline where that might have happened
but you don’t understand, he’s shit and a choker and drags down the team, we would have won nothing with him!
Barcelona without Messi:
CL 2006
Euro 2008
WC 2010
Euro 2012
Messi without Barcelona:
...
maradona winning scudeto with napoli is unironically bigger than anything messi won with barcelona
Messi is Argentinian to the core. I'm sure playing for Spain was never an option for him. Even Di Stefano, who never dropped his Porteño accent, was more Spanish than Messi is.
Put choker Messi instead of clutch Torres, and you wouldn't have won anything. He would have skied penalties and shot out of target instead of doing what Torres did.
The fact is, your golden generation won literally everything without Messi.
lol don’t you get it? The only reason you would win is cause he would have Pique, Xavi, Iniesta, and Puyol by his side.
One of Italy’s WC belongs to the Argies though. Pastaniggers were importing third worlders long before France did.
But they were still ethnically Italian though?
>Videla and Kissinger visiting Peru before the match
Uruguay is right, rigged as fuck
>instead of clutch Torres
villa was the clutch one you fucking retard
>Videla and Kissinger visiting Peru before the match
Myth. Fact: Videla never left his VIP seat.
You know you're fucked when you have no evidence and have to make up stuff.
Napoli bought tons of great players alongside Maradona. No player has ever won anything alone.
>Torres is better than Messi
You argies are surpassing every level or retardation possible.
Messi is among the 3 greatest players to play the game alongside Pele and Maradona, this is an objective fact to anyone that has actually seen these players play.
Who scored against Germany in 2008?
>tons of great players
Who? What did they win without Maradona? Name some and answer both questions.
>this is an objective fact to anyone that has actually seen these players play.
LMAOOO!! How the fuck is it objective when it is OBJECTIVELY TRUE that he has not won 3 (three) of the game’s most important trophies? You have to win everything. Pele was also literally a farmer’s babby.
villa was injured. And whos fucking goal them to the final?
Careca
Alemao
Ferrara
Maradona himself was the top signing at the time. Napoli wasn't leicester, they had money to spend. Of course he was the most important player, but he had a squad that could support him.
>what did they win without Maradona
Nothing. Doesn't really negate my point. Argentina won a WC without Maradona (under dodgy circumstances).
Messi needs to play through a system. He can’t take things into his own hands when shit gets dire.
lmao
so easy to spot those who didn't live that era
Trophies are team achievements. Do you ever watch games or do you just read wikipedia pages
Who would you consider the top players of all time ? Just curious
maradonna and pele are the two biggest lies of international football
Messi he should have chosen Italy as his national team
Yes, and my point is that Messi has a good enough team to consistently get to finals but just chokes them away. THIS IS SUPPOSED TO BE A TOP 3 PLAYER?
Hmmm top?
Not in any order mind you:
Beckenbauer
Maradona
Ronaldo (Brazilian)
Ronaldinho
Messi
Ronaldo
Rivaldo
Cruyff
Rossi
Zidane
Socrates
Zico
El Hajj Diouf
Didi
>Messi has a good enough team
lmao kys already retarded pancho mutt
Ronaldinho, Rivaldo and Rossi are nowhere near top 10
List is missing Platini, Pele, Di Stefano
>Messi has a good enough team to consistently get to finals
That's simply not true
Unironically based. All the old players should be left aside and start over.
If wasn't for Barça he would be a midget. They paid for his GH treatment and all. He just plays for Argentina because his dad wanted it
>messi plays in NT for money
kek, based retard
How the absolute fuck am I wrong lol? They got to the 2014 WC finals didn’t they? They got to the 2016 copa finals didn’t they? They got to the 2015 finals didn’t they? They got to the 2007 finals didn’t they? HES A FUCKING *kHoCK* choke artist.
Messi needs barça to survive, he literally CANNOT LIVE without them.
>football is a team sport
And? You still have to win everything for club and country. Saying your team is shit (when it’s clearly not) is such a bullshit excuse.
argentina doesn't deserve messi. he's a nice guy and shoud've played for us.
>Messi doesn’t need to win the Important trophy in all of football to be considered the greatest! Just look at all the cool goals he’s scored!
>he is cancer and a choker
>meanwhile all forwards are awful
>let a coke addict manage your team
>have a bad midfield
>he has to do both jobs
>only DiMaria/Mascherano were good
>team is carried by the defense
>mfw
Argentinians and their management/association are absolute brainlets.The fact that they even gave maradroga the management position says it all.Imagine wasting prime Messi under the management of that retard.
The people in here can shit post as much as they want it doesn't change that:
1.All strikers and forwards perform horrible for argentinia
2.Their midfield is non existen,so the midget has to do both
3.Their boomerteam was way better,even without Maradonna
Their old generation was just stacked even more and could actually deliver.It simply wasn't just Maradonna,even when he had an excellent perfomance.
Only based Masche was good in 2010
I agree with the rest
THEN...HOW THE FUCK did they get to 3 FINALS IN A ROW and choke THEM ALL?!
>Messi carried them
Oh ok, fair enough, then why did they lose in all the finals?
>Football is a team sport
COME THE FUCK ON NOW! Messi is just super inconsistant. Face reality already.
This beaner needs to be go back to/b/
>What do you expect with that shit team?
reminder Messi lost 2 copa americas to pic related
0% chance that Kempes said that about Messi
Imagine being Argentinian and rating some autist who quits on the team and cries like a little girl when he chokes over Chadadona who literally did whatever it took to win
People say that his team mates let him down and aren't good enough. But the team carried him to the final vs Germany in 2014. Higuain, Biglia (yeah he was good once), Di Maria and prime Mascherano were really good at the 2014 WC
B-but my group stage goals against Iran, Bosnia, and Nigeria
>If it was rigged, why did Peru hit the post twice (2) with the game 0-0?
This proofs it was rigged. If it wasnt they would have scored.
To be fair, they had Sanchez
Kempes said he goes to the team for money because they sign contracts for Messi's appearance, it's not for Messi it's for the jews back in their Buenos Aires office. Morocco paid 1 million for that match and Messi didn't even show up so they only got 450k. AFA is butthurt yet again that Messi won't bend over for them. So how about they get a competent president, vice president, training staff, and not a fucking manager with 0 managed teams in his CV.
reminder this happened
dailymail.co.uk
yes, 38-38 tie from 75 votes.
Scaloni has also rotated over 50 players in just 8 matches, in fact he's played 7 different goalkeepers in those 8 matches (the last match you saw the backup keeper Musso from Udinese replacing Boca's Andrada in the final 20 minutes of the game for no fucking reason)
As much as I wanted to see Messi in 2022, it looks like shit and feels like shit. He's going to get blasted for losing Copa America with that team. And why his winger is from Atlanta United when he comes back to play for Argentina is something i dont know and should give you a clue how bad that team is now.
This Greek dude is astounded why people aren't sucking Messi's dick in his own country. I understand... his country probably had 3 above average players in its whole history so he can't wrap his head around people not being impressed by just another great player (that our countries produce every week) not producing results.
or he's amazed that a player far superior to anything brazil has produced is shat on by his own cancerous people
lets not pretend brazilians dont admire and arent in awe of messi wishing he was brazilian
Is there not a single decent manager willing to take over Argentina's NT? I'm not talking about the likes of Simeone and Pochettino, a simple coach with coherent tactics and good man management skills and would already suffice.
You're not qualified to judge this. You probably started watching football yesterday, fuck off.
they already did have one but the team choked and now he wants nothing to do with the AFA
and Argies don't do simple
It’s messi’s fault, how many times must I say it? He can’t contribute in big moments. Luckily Messi can still grow as a player.
>Skied the penalty
>missed and open goal in the WC finals
>0 shots on target in semi-finals
for me it's DyJ
don't @ me you stupid faggot lard lord
Fag
>messi
I'm South American, kys Brasilero
>argentina without messi
>be absolute shit
>argentina with messi
>somehow get to the WC final, and two Copa America finals
Now post the Venezuela one
lol im not even surprised that's a saying. 90% of the argentines i know have their heads firmly up their ass
They all grow up with this delusion they're the best at everything. I want to know why the Greek's poste was deleted, surely he wasn't banned he didn't say anything wrong
He was banned for racism, im not even joking
Messi didn't do shit in the 2014 WC past group stage
Well he said the n word. What did you expect?
Underrated
No one cares about women's football
Never said that, obviously. Everything from the pic to the quote is completely fake an not a single retard in this thread has called bullshit on the mentally ill anti-Messi (now with the brazil proxy).
Kempes, in fact has defended Messi many times against criticism.
So...
REMINDER THAT THIS IS YOUR LIFE 24/7, OP
REMINDER THAT YOU ALREADY LOST THE BATTLE SO HARD THAT THIS IS THE KIND OF SHIT OU HAVE TO FABRICATE TO MERELY COPE NOW
REMINDER THAT SOME DAY YOU'LL LOOK BACK ON THIS PERIOD OF YOUR LIFE AND MOST LIKELY CONTEMPLATE SUICIDE, NO JOKE
Just remember one or more of these anti Messi faggots reported him and that's why it happened
This place is full of people like that now
>hurr durr it"s messi's fault our teams shit
>messi retires from NT
>NT shits the bed
>hurr durr how can he quit, doesn't he love his country? the NT needs him!
Argentinians
At this point they seem even more retarded than Anglos.
Have you watched the past 2 games?
>argentina without messi
>14 copas 2 world cups
>argentina with messi
>
>poland without germany
>starves, no access to culture or their beloved cigs and liquor to kill themselves
>poland on its own accomplishments
>
Yeah, one of the better chilean teams of all time, what's your point?
It's the truth, m8
>he didn't score in muh knockouts, therefore he did nothing
This idiotic logic needs to stop
Oh yes, because 1994-2005 were such great years for Argentina
>no major trophies
>Veron, fucking VERON was our captain
>AFA's suits were managing the team more than the actual managers, so after 1990 almost every manager was a yes-man to them
>Ortega was supposed to be a future superstar, but failed in Europe, and nearly killed his own career after the 2002 world cup
>Riquelme was on the rise, but ultimately, he didn't win a major trophy with Argentina either
>Batistuta became a stat padder and even when his knees were fucked, we had to call him up
Shit's fake, Sherlock, and %99 of Argentinians are basically on the mindset that we're shit without Messi, or at lest that he's our only hope for... anything. The reminder 1% are clueless idiots, special snowflakes thinking they're cool for having the contrarian opinion, and journalists making money on controversy.
>cant even spell Maradona
Sorry, your opinion is discarded.
So you made your point for him.
Messi bullies them. It's well known he use to do the same to Barca youth players.
>>we made you a bronze statue!
>which we make sure to vandalize time and time again
this is what happen when you call a guy from defensa y justicia and atlanta united to play on the same national team as Messi. They grow up putting a Messi poster on their night stand or wall above their bed and when they finally have to play with him 10 years later they shit themselves at the presence of god. Believe it or not, the old guard ("Messi's friends") at least treated messi like one of the bros and not some mythical holy see. Rumor has it they were even too scared to eat before Venezuela because they all lost their appetite being around Messi like they were too choked to swallow.
Takes a special type of loser mentality to think flair is what makes a GOAT
You made his point for him.
Yeah, Bielsa didn't bring the best player we had at the moment, and fucked Batistuta's career.
Plus, he didn't won shit in his fucking career.
People bash Mourinho and praise this dude because of "muh inspirational talks"
k
>Be Messi
>Have to play in your NT with plumbers from the Argentinian league
>They can barely play professional football
>loose
>The blame is on Messi
...
he is about as normal as you are gonna get out of a argie manager. He picks players for his own reasons and not the selection circus you have had for the past decade
Argentines will always prefer Maradona to Messi because most of them are loud low IQ drug addicts like him
Maybe it’s because Maradona actually delivered a fucking WC trophy while the hormone midget hasn’t done shit (and he’s already almost 32 yo)
to be fair, the best team from south america in the last decade
Maradona is thousand times more charismatic and he was always closer to people
>this retarded low IQ bostero conspiracy theory
>o-of c-course Messi calls up his friends! Let's ignore the fact that Aguero, Di Maria, Masherano, and Higuain were literally the only Argentines playing at a high level for the best clubs in Europe while being called up by different managers!
Kill yourself already
Nice how you guys always conveniently avoid to mention that little incident with Peru. Kempes was a based player but the fact there was still rigging is there.
>w-we don’t need messi
And here you are still sucking his dick and bringing him to play with you even when you know he will choke.
Stfu nigger you probably weren’t even on your dad balls when that match happened so all you know is what the argie media tells you to think. Not mentioning there was no free press at all during Videla. Either you sticked to their version of the story or you would enjoy a free chopper ride into the ocean.
pic related is you
The match exists in video format.
The Videla myth has no source. It's internet-era rumor.
why are south americans on Yea Forums so insecure?
Based and beautiful hair
Dowsmt messi playing do Argentina good in selling shit?
good post
oh rly?
That guy on the left is the coach from Defensa y Justicia who have been tearing it apart this season, he's based
You couldn't make money from being a prettyboy back then, so they didn't give a shit about looking good
>Selects friendly plumbers
>Chokes at primetime
Let team of Messi with plumbers
Truth is this
They break it at ankle, is it foreshadowing
Argentinians are european though