Why do they feel like two completely different players?

Why do they feel like two completely different players?

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systembaby

one plays with people he sees 350 days a year the other plays with people coming from defensa justicia, atlanta united, river, etc.

one is literally a team built around messi strengths the other is a team built with random waiters from argentina slum

pecho frio

This. Simple as.

But Messi is all about individual brilliance, he should be able to steamroll shitters like Venezuela on his own. Okay he's 32 now but this has been happening his entire career, he always look like 10x slower, less skilful etc than his Barca version.

Someone is hiding something here.

"they" don't. Did you watch the game? He was the only one trying to do something with a team of useless shitters that couldn't score from 2 meters.

Because he's a system baby and only's been good because he's always had a team built around him

>But Messi is all about individual brilliance, he should be able to steamroll shitters like Venezuela on his own
webm won't upload so streamable.com/em16r

The definition of insanity is trying the same thing over and over and expecting different results. In Messi's case, it's relying way too much on his team mates. He could've easily carried on into the box and score himself, he is that good but for Argentina he's just too... I dunno, humble?

>He could've easily carried on into the box and score himself,
no, he couldn't, see

barfalona uses special dr. fuentes formula before match. argentina can't afford it. same with penaldo and halal/juventus vs portugal

he literally dribbled past 3 players and put a perfect cross into the box which created a save. what do you want him to do, beat the entire team on his own?

dubs confirm

This vid really angers me.

argentinia messi is the clone of original barca messi

I'm 100% sure you never played football in your life

why can he do it vs betis but not vs venezuela?

messi is lebron
ronaldo is kobe

>what do you want him to do, beat the entire team on his own?
Yes, he's done it time and time again for Barcelona. It's the very reason he's considered GOAT.

Do not compare yourself to Lionel Messi, his left foot does things none of us could even dream of doing to a football.

Well, that's what GOATs are supposed to do

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Except he does, remember when a year+ ago Argentina were 1-0 down vs Ecuador and not even going to qualify when Messi single handedly scored a hattrick to drag the shittest Argentina team ever to the World Cup?

(((messi)))

Because Argentina is shit and Barca is full of great player even without the goat.

mental midget
cant perform if he isnt surrounded by people who suck his dick

redpilled

>el argenCHINO

>cant perform if he isnt surrounded by people who suck
ftfy

Team is shit. Shit tier shit

Except Messi's Kyrie is a fat slob who missed the 3 pointer 3 finals in a row.

this argument wouldve worked if argentina lost against a country like mexico or peru, but they're still a better team than fucking >venezuela
those niggas are literally eating rat shit to stay alive

>what are tactics
find a pic of barcelona ever playing THIS badly

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If you can't carry a team to victory, how can you be considered a GOAT?
Maradona did it. Messi hasn't.

>Maradona did it
the 1986 team had one of the best Argentine XIs of all time, once that went away, the only other trophy Maradona won with Argentina was a milk cup, and lost every Copa America he played

>look at my cherry picked screenshot
kys

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Doesn't your current coach has like 0 experience? Who is he even?

hey! i'm not eating rat!

this night there are cat is on the menu.

>Implying they didn't play like absolute shit all game long
Did you even watch the game, Pierre?

>It's cherry picking when it proves my narrative wrong
Follow your own advice

His only experience with management was with the U20s, literally right before being thrown into the role of managing the senior team. He was a decent defensive player, notably being in the 2006 world cup squad. I guess that immediately after retiring, he buddied up to folks at AFA and that's how he got to work with the Argentina youth teams.

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Thank you to the American who took this pic, it's from today's match.

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>mfw Argentina and Germany are going through the same phase we went through in 2014-2018
Mementori mori tbqhwyamf

it's Lionel Scaloni, btw
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lionel_Scaloni

how did >you solve that?

We need Gallardo, yesterday

>being so small brained that you dont understand the patrician 5-0-5 formation

Get BLACKED and pray for good youngsters

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I was talking about Napoli

why did Ryan Babel become a regular starter again after like 5 years of no NT matches?

Doesn't get his drugs from his UEFAlona doctor with the national team

For some reason he's suddenly playing really well in international games. Also, nobody to replace him with at the moment.

here in the US we call it the Hope Solo formation

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kek based

why isn't messi in the middle? Yea Forums told me he's a playmaker

I'm glad for him

fuck off I don't want my precious muñeco in that filth

Fuck the NT

LA SELECCIOOOOOOON
LA SELECCIOOOOOOON
SE VA A LA PUTAAAAAA QUE LO PARIOOOOOOO

>The definition of insanity is trying the same thing over and over and expecting different results.
>*rolls a dice*
Wow so HARD

best thing to ever come out of Tevez


[spoiler]besides scars[/spoiler]

>5-0-5 formation
>S-O-S formation

fix'd

>S-O-S formation
A fucking star

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He's a playmaker, not a fucking CAM. He plays best as a false 9 (why fucking Valpierde keeps using him alongside Suarez and Dembele is something I just don't understand). Of course that's considering he'd be playing with players that have some actual quality to them intead of fucking Higuain or Agüero.

Suarez was actually good too, right? I only watched the highlights, so maybe I'm wrong.

>muh only striker playmaker
>aguero isn't quality

>he rates Aguero

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Also, this particular Argentinian team is really really bad. You can't expect Messi to do anything when most of his teammates refuse to move, fuck it up when they get the ball or are just expecting Messi to create all goal chances.

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Xavi, Iniesta, help me!

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Can you get BLACKED if you are already black?

>implying that winning/drawing against Iraq, Colombia and Mexico makes a team good

They also lost to Brazil, who have been fucking shit for the past 5 years.

because you are a good goy who sucks up everything the media tells him

>losing to brazil = losing to venezuela
kys my man

at least they beat mexico, i mean it would be worse than losing tonight

My God the absolute state of Messoy apologists, Jesus Christ we are reaching the levels of cope and delusion we didn't even know it existed...

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Honestly I hope they lose just so our NT finally learns that Chicharito is shit and doesn't deserve to be on the team anymore.

isn't he seen as one of the best players?

>"mEsSi ApOlOgIsTs"
>Penaldofag

Mate go commit an hero pls

He used to be. Now he fails to create goal chances, loses the ball or just straight up misses easy goals that he'd otherwise score at club matches.

Wait, is Chicharito our Messi?

>tfw not playing with 10 world class players against broke andalucian potato farmers

Barca is great at the build up, quality midfielders. Centrebacks that can play a ball etc. Argie NT is a collection of shitty midfield/defensive players, with maybe the exception of Nico. They only produce quality attacking players. Which doesn't mean shit if every goes to Messi in the end. It's not terrible but it's worse enough for them to suffer losses. The current successes of the French and Dutch NT are directly linked to quality midfield and solid defensive backs supported by some decent to good attackers. This is way better than having the best striker in the world but he only gets 3-4 shots every game under heavy distress because no one can play a proper ball.

I thought Messi was a playmaker

Imagine if he played in the French or Dutch NT OR! the Spanish NT in the glory days of Iniesta etc (aka Barca) and got like 10-15 great passes in position. That's 2-3 goals guaranteed from Messi. All the passes he gets are delivered way to late when the defending team has already retreated en masse. What's he supposed to do? Make a Athletic Bilbao goal every match?

Because Maradona's shadow looms over him. In barca he doesn't have that problem because he's far and away the greatest in their history, he doesn't have to prove anything to anyone, he has won everything.
But with Argentina, he feels incomplete. Not to mention that the team is so shit that even Messi having a great day doesn't guarantee anything.

Tbf he looks really good at Fulham too. Somebody will take a punt on him when they go down

Because against Betis he has deadly players around him to whom he CAN pass and they'll tap it in
Not to mention they also have to be tightly marked as well, what the fuck is a >Lautaro
You can't be that far from the box and be asked to eliminate de midfield, defense and keeper, this is not the 80s anymore

Venezuela were the hungrier team out there today

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soooo.... he's a system baby?

This is the 2010s, everyone is a system baby
The era of R9, Platini, Maradona, Pelé is over

>Aguero
>Dybala
>DiMaria
>Random

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Argentina can't afford his PEDs

What does sopa de messi taste like?

Jesus fucking Christ. The cope is so hard the twink apologists are calling the likes of Agüero bad. Fucking ridiculous.

Sprite with a hint of cheese pizza

Cold (chicken) breast.

>intead of fucking Agüero

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Maybe Messi just hates Argentinians? There weren't many of them in his time at Barca.

I think he is not the Avatar,
or there is somethign blocking his chakra, i dunno

Tfw these Argie fags called Riquelme "pecho frio", but now they defend Messi who is the definition of that term.

kek, good one user

tl;dr: he doesn’t get enough touches and is too autistic to take control on his own against teams not filled with part-time bullfighters. I do feel for him though. imagine having to play MULTIPLE finals alongside a shitter like higuain.
he’s basically pecho frio internationally.

Messi played well yesterday

underrated post

Ooh that header was powerfull compared to that weak cross

>Desperate Messi apologists acting like Argentina doesn't have world class attacking players

Every time

Messi is Hakuho.
Ronaldo is Chiyonofuji

>Dybala and Messi cant play at the same time because they occupy the same space on the pitch
Wait a minute
You're telling me that this guy called Messi is supposed to be the greatest football player of all time
But he can't even adapt to play in a different position?

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and what do these playeds do?
is Messi hogging the ball and preventing them from playing?