Best dribbler

>best dribbler
>passer
>goalscorer

How is it even a debate?

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>washed up nobody ever since Fuentes left

*yawn*

>the bane of Betis

shut up favela monkey

The goat in every sport is complete.

Magic and even lebron are better passers than jordan

Many have a better serve than federer

Ronaldo has a better header than messi

But when you look at all the skills collectively, the goat is usually the best or one of the best in all of them.

There is nobody better at dribbling than Messi, his passing rivals that of Scholes or Xavi, his finishing is as good as the best strikers, he has scored the most freekicks in the world since 2011.

Passing - Messi
Vision - Messi
Skills - Ronaldo
Long shoots - Ronaldo
Positioning - Ronaldo
Speed - Ronaldo
Heads - Ronaldo
Weak foot - Ronaldo
Penalties - Ronaldo
Free kicks - Ronaldo ( Messi - 40 free-kick goals in his entire footballing career , Ronaldo - 53 )
Physical - Ronaldo
Mental - Ronaldo
Bicycle kicks - Ronaldo
Goals - Ronaldo 657 , Messi 616 goals ( Ronaldo 33 years , Messi 31 -
But considering Ronaldo's physique, we do not know if he will retire before Messi.)
La liga - Messi
Premier league - Ronaldo
Champions league - Ronaldo ( 5 ucl Ronaldo 121 goals / 40 assists , Messi 4 ucl 100 goals/27 assists )
International -Ronaldo ( European champion , 84 goals ronaldo , 64 messi)
The ability to win with all the teams he played- Ronaldo?


Ronaldo has inspired his nation to dream bigger by taking them to become champions for the very first time.
That's the end game of a Football player, to become something more, a hero. Ronaldo has that, but what has Messi done for his fans? What has Messi achieved?
Dribbling some PSV defenders isn't worth a second thought. Being technically skilled barely means anything. Winning 10 championships for his club is good, but outside getting the praise of a couple hundred thousand affiliates, no one will get that happy for that.

What Ronaldo has and Messi hasn't is an entire nation that idolizes him as the player who allowed them to proudly show their jersey with their national team's colors. Argentina has that too, but in Maradona.

i agree but Lebron is a better at scoring in more ways than Jordan besides post ups. Jordan was a mid range specialist. Lebron drives, hits threes, and can post up in the mid range and hit turn arounds.

there is some lad on the sunday league of my city with better stats than Messi

You're being very biased. Just for example, Messi is leading both in scoring and assisting, and has the most freekicks since 2011, but Ronaldo is still better?

Any Portuguese knows Eder is their hero who stepped up, not Ronaldo. Its not Messi's fault that Higuain kept missing, just like its not because of Ronaldo that Eder scored.

>long shots- Ronaldo
>free kicks- Ronaldo
>Goals- Ronaldo
>international- Ronaldo

He didn't even play in the final

Messi already has more non penalty goals than Ronaldo and Ronaldo hasnt scored regularly from free kicks in like 10 years

Typical zoomer that never saw Jordan play.

0 world cup
0 euro
0 cl since xavi and iniesta left

Yes he did he got subbed off, but with that logic then Messi only has 3 champions league, got it.

I'm pretty sure it was Ronaldo who put them past the group stage and the semi-finals

Xavi was a role player in 2015.

Messi took them to finals numerous times, and Higuain missed in each of them.

>best dribbler

there are no dribblers these day, cause dribbling is a useless skill, it is all about counterattacks crosses and passes through these days, all dribbling does, is make you look like a tool and bring the pace down

Ok, and by that logic Ronaldo didnt win them the final.

Messi also missed a sitter that he always scores for Barcelona lel stop blaming Higuain for everything.

What?

This Messi missed a sitter meme is retarded, it was a really tight angle and would have been saved if it was on target. It was nowhere near as easy as Higuains 2 chances and Palacio's miss. Stop crediting Ronaldo for everything.

what meme? Go see how he always scores goals from that angle and with his LEFT foot, and no, you stop crediting Messi for everything even tho he chokes everytime in every 4 finals he played in.

>it was a really tight angle and would have been saved if it was on target

fuck off, aguero and van persie score dozens of those for lunch

they also miss those dozens of times for dinner

But I thought Messi was the best and never missed those easy goals bro

> Aguero

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>Van persie

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Well the discussion is not that he never misses, thats besides the point. He's the best, and the fact that he misses is not an argument. Can you name a player who never missed?

No, the point is the fact that you are blaming literally everyone else besides Messi for Argentina's fail which is beyond retarted pathetic and sad

>bicycle kicks

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the real point is that people give Ronaldo credit for the Euro win and they blame Messi for the World Cup loss. When Ronaldo wasn't even on the field when Eder scored the winning goal and Messi was influential in a lot of the chances Argentina had against Germany.

If Messi gets injured and Di Maria scores the winning goal would Messi get the same credit that Ronaldo got for the Euro?

No paki, I am blaming everyone who was responsible. Did higuain miss or not, 'retart'?

I'll explain it shortly in a way you'll understand: what's the point of having the biggest dick of them all if it never gets up when you're with the girl? That's Messi in a nutshell. Destroys everything in his path, most complete player around... until he gets to play in a decisive match. Cristiano isn't nowhere near as gifted as him but when the big games arrive he makes himself known and at the end of the day people believe the best player is the one who makes his team win, not the one who's more individually gifted.

you probably thought you were really smart after hitting send didn't you

so Messi missed a hard chance that anyone else would have missed? He's not the GOAT then.

>Skills - Ronaldo
>Long shoots - Ronaldo
>Weak foot - Ronaldo
>Penalties - Ronaldo
>Free kicks - Ronaldo
>Goals - Ronaldo
>International -Ronaldo
Jesus
He didn't put them past the group stage and that semi more than Nani did and got bailed out in RO16, QF and Finals
Ronaldo carrying Portugal in 2016 is a complete meme, the same meme as carrying Real in 2016 and 2018

Lmao, if Argentina won without Messi doing anything you would say that it was thank to him they won which is the same case for Ronaldo since he was the one who put Portugal in the finals. Are you that dumb?

>MUH PAKI
I'm not paki you fat whitenigger, no you are blaming higuain for Argentina's defeat even tho Messi is also at fault. Look how he missed that penalty vs Chile, it was also Higuain's fault right? Fucking retard

Ok, so clearly the goat has NEVER missed? Who is the goat?

the GOAT has never missed in high stake games

Messi also put Arg in the finals, you only remember that for Ronaldo though.

If higuain hadn't missed, there would be no shootout in the first place.

Do you want me to bring up the times Ronaldo has missed?

But he made a good point and you didn't really say anything so you admit that what he said is true
I'm not saying he carried Portugal, he scored 2 goals and assist that put Portugal past the group stage, also he scored the goal and made the assist in the finals. If anything the one who carried Portugal to win the title wasn't Ronaldo and neither Eder, it was the goalkeeper

This

Who is your goat who has never failed in his career?

Michael Jordan missed countless game winning shots. He's still the best though

No, I might be a monkey but I'm not retarded enough to think using a dick analogy to explain something is smart. It's the opposite. Being elaborate would have no effect here, even more so when I know most people are just here to shitpost.

>Messi also put Arg in the finals, you only remember that for Ronaldo though.
What? did you even understand what I said?

>If higuain hadn't missed, there would be no shootout in the first place.
If Messi didn't miss that penalty that wasn't even on target he wouldn't have lost and cried

>Do you want me to bring up the times Ronaldo has missed?
Yes please and make sure to tell me how many times it costed him a final compared to Messi

Messi has scored in two different CL finals and both of them were the decisive goals. To say he doesn't win games is quite literally ignoring fact.

Ronaldo fucking lost to Messi in one of those finals. but I thought Ronaldo always shows up no matter what?

>Skills - Ronaldo
>Long shoots - Ronaldo
>Free kicks - Ronaldo
>Goals - Ronaldo

>Mental - Ronaldo
>Bicycle kicks - Ronaldo
lmao

Ronaldo got his penalty saved in 2008, he was saved by his teammates though. Messi was not.

His 2 goals and assists only put them 3rd of the group which would have dropped them any other tournament before this one
He only scored and assisted against Hungary and Wales
Is THIS supposed to be the difference between him and Messi ? Stop fucking around

This. If Ronaldo is better, why didnt he even score?

>Ronaldo fucking lost to Messi in one of those finals. but I thought Ronaldo always shows up no matter what?
In a final that he didn't deserve to be in tho? Also, remember Roma last season?

And yes Ronaldo shows up more than Messi. Look at pic related and tell me Ronaldo isn't better than Messi

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what? Your point is that you were saying that I was saying Ronaldo carried Portugal and when I show you what he did you complain without any argument kek.

How is Roma last season related to 2009, you fucking retard?

Also, there is a clear difference between waiting in the box and scoring offside tapins and the way messi scores AND assists. How many times has Ramos, Bale saved Ronaldo's ass?

>In a final that he didn't deserve to be in
lmao these "arguments" are fucking hilarious

How the fuck did he carry Portugal when he only scored against shitters and he was not the only scorer each time he scored ?
How did he carry Portugal but Eder did not ?
How did he carry Portugal but Nani did not ?
How did he carry Portugal but Quaresma did not ?
How did he carry Portugal but his defense and especially his keeper did not ?
He carried them out of the GS in the WC against a powerhouse, he carried jack shit in the Euro

>a goal is worth more if you dribble past 3 players or more

yikes

if cristiano can score more goals with less effort, he is clearly the superior player

Ronaldo didnt deserve at least one of the CL finals vs Atletico then

Sadly for you, Ronaldo has more assists and goals then Messi. And if Messi is the goat why didn't he save Barcelona against Roma? They only needed 1 goal.

Thanks for agreeing with me :)

I didn't even say he carried Portugal retard, read again what I said

Which is funny because mbappe has more goals than him this season. Guess mbappe is better.

its not about effort its about having to rely on your teammates. Barca relies on Messi for both goals and assists. Juventus and Real only rely on Ronaldo for goals

The effort is just done by someone else

yes, mbappe is the next goat, and it shows

Why?

And where did those assists and goal lead to? domestic titles? literally no one gives a shit about that.

Kek, Ronaldo can cross and score better than anyone else

if Ronaldo is the goat why did he lose to lyon in cl in 2010? They only need one goal

You didn't fucking answer the question. Why did Ronaldo lose to Messi in the cl final, the most important game in the world? Surely the goat cannot lose a game like that.

Why did lose to Messi in 2011 in the cl semifinals? How is he the goat if he has never beaten messi in the cl? Answer this directly or I wont waste my time.

>best dribbler
George Best
>passer
Paul Scholes
>goalscorer
Cristiano Ronaldo

tell me when messi makes an assist like this before he retires

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Messi has and always had a better team than Ronaldo. Not to mention on how Messi started in a stacked team. Luckily we will see a Juve vs Barca final this season which if Ronaldo wins the 6 CL he will be considered better than Messi forever and ever

>better team
>constantly getting saved by Ramos, Bale, Di maria, fucking EDER

Go suck his cock somewhere else, your bias is beyond retarded.

Still didnt answer the question. If he is the goat, why did he lose to messi in the cl TWICE?

Even if messi wins this year you faggots wont stop sucking that rapist cock

>Getting saved by
He was the one who put them in the finals. Get your facts straight fag

I just told you he had a better team than Ronaldo and I say the same to you, even if Messi keeps choking you fags wont stop sucking his 2 inches dick

>He was the one who put them in the finals. Get your facts straight fag
Certainly not Portugal in 2016 and Madrid in 2014, 2016 and 2018

>top scorer for the competitions
Okay la

>worst mind

Also greatest choke artist

You are retard.

>No arguments
It's okay to admit that you are wrong user

How could you have this little grasp on the sport

Bait or made by a retard

Here's the real one only looking at skills and not useless shit like bicycle kicks:
Passing - Messi
Vision - Messi
Skills - Messi
Dribbling - Messi
Long shots - Messi
Positioning - Messi
Speed - Ronaldo (But Messi uses his speed way more efficiently)
Heading - Ronaldo (Unfair because height difference)
Weak foot - Messi
Penalties - Ronaldo
Free kicks - Messi
Physicality - Ronaldo
Mentality - Messi
Goals - Messi (0.82 goal ratio vs 0.71 goal ratio)
Assists - Messi

>the bane of Benis :DDDD

Long Shots - Ronaldo
Shot power - Ronaldo
Tap in - Ronaldo
Finishing - Ronaldo
Physique - Ronaldo
Fitness - Ronaldo
Body - Ronaldo
Jumping - Ronaldo
Heading - Ronaldo
Height - Ronaldo
Looks - Ronaldo
Popularity - Ronaldo
Leadership - Ronaldo
Mind - Ronaldo
Strength - Ronaldo
Speed - Ronaldo
Acceleration - Ronaldo
Sprint - Ronaldo
Athletism - Ronaldo
Adaptability - Ronaldo
Completeness - Ronaldo
Free Kicks - Ronaldo
Tricks - Ronaldo
Backheel - Ronaldo
Freestyle - Ronaldo
Bicycle Kick - Ronaldo
Passing - Messi
Crossing - Ronaldo
Vision - Messi
Postioning - Ronaldo
Weak Foot - Ronaldo
Penalty - Ronaldo
Mentality - Ronaldo
Scoring - Ronaldo

Why do penaldofags pretend that he's a big game player or something ?
While in Real he lost most clasicos to messi
he did nothing in the 2016 and 2018 CL finals and semifinals
he was notoriously shit in the 2014 final
he was shit against uruguay in the WC
he didn't even play against France in the euro 2016 final
And it goes on and on.
Penaldofags are just contrarians, either that or underage zoomers who don't remember how GOAT messi was up until 2016 (and still is, barca got far worse though).

Incels need to stand behind something that's obviously contrarian to give meaning to their victimized mindset.

Forgot
Dribbling - Messi

Not Being Aggressively Asperger's - Ronaldo

> le hatrick against 10 man eibar meme
this guy is a fraud

Ronaldo is better than Messi. He only needed 2 finals to win a title for portugal while messi needed 4 to win none

I will never forget his magnificent performance in that 2016 final

WRONG

Here's the definitive list:
Passing - Messi
Vision - Messi
Skills - Messi
Dribbling - Messi
Control - Messi
Strength - Ronaldo
Long shots - Messi
Positioning - Messi
Acceleration - Young Messi
Speed without the ball - Ronaldo
Speed with the ball - Messi
Anal Rape - Ronaldo
Headers - Ronaldo
Weak foot - Messi
Penalties - Both
Free kicks - Both
Mentality - Ronaldo
Goals From Open Play - Messi
Tap Ins - Ronaldo
Assists - Messi
Beard - Messi
Narcissism - Ronaldo
Plastic Surgery - Ronaldo
Biggest dick - Messi
Autism - Both
Tryhardness - Ronaldo
Homosexuality - Ronaldo
Hottest Wife - Messi
Richest - Messi

cringe!!

> rating that fucking goblin antonella over chad georgina
yikes

la ligais much more open tactically which affords him space. the teams dont mind playing end to end. messi wouldnt be as prolific in italy

>takes steroids banned from every other sport

I used to be a Ronaldo Raper, but after his last performance, I am now a Messi Missile.

Leo Messi is Augustus.
Ronaldo is Julius Caesar.
Think of that what you will, unneducated Yea Forums faggots, but it's true.

>not the best "winner"

No international success, most success he's had is shared with a core group of spainish players, who saw IMMENSE success without messi.

No success outside of barca, or more "generally" outside spain.

Can't even win a copa when consistently being tournament favourites. EVEN though they're having them every other year at this point

Ronaldo is a WINNER. When people think of Ronaldo they think of a guy who wins Champions leagues, a Euro, who wins fucking everywhere he goes. Guys so fucking based people, other professional athletes, mimic his celebration whenever they want to celebrate something. People care about what ronaldo embodies and how he conqures/dominates all facets of life.

when people think of messi they think of highlight plays. "Oh did you see what messi did!? did you see that goal he scored against valladoid!"
Messi is literally an ESPN player. People only care about Messi's highlights, no other facet of his life or career, because they don't measure up to other "goats"

>Premier league - Ronaldo
lol

Wrong.
>came from the slums
>played against figo, zidane, ronaldo dunga, henry, other greats to be named
>won a world cup
> trained messi
> BTFO whole teams as a kid
> started joga Benito
>started his own cryptocurrency
>legend cristiano Rondalo pays respects
>made real madroid fans clap for him
>btfo every team in every continent
>best bicycle kicks
>doesn't care about his teeth
>should have been picked for 2014 squad, would have helped against Germany, major backboney
>can also dance

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>NO WC
>NO Copa America
>NO CL with Xavi and Iniesta

>joga benito
kek

Messi is 67% Cristiano. Ronaldo is more complete with better trophies and stats

Don't take this away from me. It is all i have

>0 cl since xavi and iniesta left
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Phoneposting is shet breh. Dont deny ronaldinho.

>Juventus and Real only rely on Ronaldo for goals
??

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>missi
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Ronaldo wasn't the leader of that team though. He just their best player

>I rate Messoy over Ronaldo

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Ronaldo vs Messi arguments are fucking stupid, neither of those two people give a shit about your opinion nor do I think that any of them is pathetic enough to feel any sort of rivalry against a fellow colleague.
Now while you're all at each other's throat like fangirls they are wiping their asses with several 100 euros bills.
It would be funny if they were actually friends and laughed at their autistic haters on both sides.

>Weak foot - Messi
>Long shots - Messi
>Mentality - Messi
>Heading - Ronaldo (Unfair because height difference)
>Positioning - Messi

What a retard

>Weak foot - Messi
All of Messi's most technical goals have come off his weak foot.
>Long shots - Messi
Messi has more than double of anyone's long shots made since 2014 World Cup
>Mentality - Messi
I do not understand this one, it looks like Messi doesn't give a fuck most of the time
>Heading - Ronaldo (Unfair because height difference)
>Positioning - Messi
I don't understand this one either since Messi's just walks around and using his acceleration once the defender falls asleep while Ronaldo actively tries to position himself every 3 seconds

It's a debate because closet homos tend to plump for the pretty boy. Hence all the CR7 fans.

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>All of Messi's most technical goals have come off his weak foot
No? Ronaldo's weak foot is better than Messis

>Messi has more than double of anyone's long shots made since 2014 World Cup
By long shots you mean shots already inside the box?

Why the fuck would a long shot be inside the box you inbred. You're lucky I am even acknowledging your posts. Now clean my toilet.

fair enough with the longs shot but weak foot as always been Ronaldo, don't even try to deny that

And what did you say about cleaning your toilet?

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>People care about what ronaldo embodies and how he conqures/dominates all facets of life.
This is what I was talking about here:
The guy is just salivating at the thought of licking Ronaldo's balls. Woolly moof.