Who is the best beetween those 2 ?

The more interesting conversation is Portugal vs us, something we would edge out i believe

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This, CL wins shouldn’t be counted in this debate.

Why? It's related to the country's league quality

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shan't disagree

at least french were born in france

>Anthony Lopes, born in France
>Raphael Guerreiro, born in France
>Kevin Rodrigues, born in France
>Adrien Silva, born in France
>Pedro Mendes, born in Switzerland
>Cedric Soares, born in Germany
>Pepe, born in Brazil
>Rony Lopes, born in Brazil
>Ricardo Ferreira, born in Canada
>Danny, born in Venezuela
>Rolando, born in Cape Verde
>Gelson Martins, born in Cape Verde
>Gedson Fernandes, born in Sao Tome and Principe
>Edgar Ie, born in Sao Tome and Principe
>Jose Bosingwa, born in RDC Congo
>William Carvalho, born in Angola
>Helder Costa, born in Angola
>Danilo Pereira, born in Guinea-Bissau
>Eder, born in Guinea-Bissau
>Bruma, born in Guinea-Bissau

I guess you are Algonquian/Sioux/Apache and not some guy of British/Irish/German descent?

At least he's born in his country.

>Cape Verde
>Sao Tome and Principe
>Angola
>Guine Bissau
thats still portugal

The only dodgy ones there are Lopes, Guerreiro, Rodrigues, Silva, Mendes, Soares, Ferreira, Danny, Bosingwa.

Rest are ex-colonies of Portugal and count simple due to how generational shit works.

France by a massive margin

Best WC results
1,1,2,3,3,4,6,7,9

EURO
1,1,2,4,4,6,6,8

Portugal
WC
3,4,11,13,18,17

EURO
1,2,3,3,3,5,7

>winning a cl is related to the country's league quality

Are you implying that jus sanguinis citizenship laws aren't superior to jus soli?

>2 wcs vs 0 wcs
how is that even a debate?

if you count continental cups, clubs continental cups and ballon dors then we are better than brazil, but that'd be stupid, they have 5 wcs

Wtf, we are the best in the world, or maybe second after Spain

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It is though? It's why PSG can spend billions and still not reach further than the Ro16.

Belgrad won a C1, is their championship so good ?
>muuuh psg
everytime

Back in the 90s the field was more even across the European leagues. I'm obviously talking about the modern era.

most of portugal titles weren't won in modern era either..

That is a fair point, but 2004 definitiely qualifies as the modern era.

and yet France always been above them in uefa ranking since to rate a championship you don't take the accomplishment of one and only one team done 15 years back.

your league is shit deal with it Muhamed

Portugal. Fuck France.

>friendly
Kek

>Europa league
>Fraudon d'Or
Miss me with that bullshit

Aren't clubs usually filled with foreign players? Portugal shouldn't get credit for their success

This idiot again

Shut up. All portuguese teams that won the CL and previous equivalent had mostly portuguese players, even 2004 Porto. That team also had portuguese technical staff and portuguese managing board.

France will win another 2 world cups in the next 20 years

what's gutting are those who were born abroad and were taught football there but then when they become adults they play for portugal. I don't care about those who were born abroad but migrated to portugal as children

Based, fit, smart and Greatagainpilled.

>denmark 1992
>greece 2004
>portugal 2016

Why do meme nations win EURO so often, when you never see it happening in the WC

same for copa america
I don't know, I guess players only really really care about the WC

The real question is how meme nations like croatia get to a WC final

The same way you got to EURO final, easy bracket + ET and penalties.

>everyone forgets France has almost 7x the population of Portugal

Portugal - Netherlands is the patricians comparison.

with the meme ancestry laws you have access to 80 millions people

obviouly us

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the only really dodgy ones are Lopes, Guerreiro, and Rodrigues, all the rest came back early in their childhoods and were raised here, as portuguese
also the hues, fuck them, not portuguese

both are retarded

you were below us for about 5 years in the last 10 and if its not an accomplishment why hasnt one of your teams done it?

We weren't upset about Eric Dier picking England, despite doing all his youth formation in Sporting from a very young age. He has portuguese citizenship btw.

It's Guerreiro's and Lopes's choice and you got nothing to do with that.

t. Jamal Chibanga

France at International level and Portugal at club level

>portugal
>meme nation
They usually go far in competitions. They are just an unlucky Spain

this

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are you unironically saying the average portuguese teams are ehead of the average french teams ? lmao, you won european titles and yet you're BELOW us in uefa rankings, which really say that the average of your league in european competition is even more shit than France that is regulary mocked in here.

Portugal's World Cup record is meh:
1966-3rd place
1986-Group stage
2002- Group stage
2006-4th place
2010- Round of 16
2014- Group stage.
2018- Round of 16.

But their Euro record is incredible:
1984- Semi finals.
1996-Quarter finals
2000-Semi finals
2004- Runners up
2008- Quarter finals
2012- Semi finals
2016-Champions

Netherlands 1 0 6 4 7

I know but I don't understand how they are a "meme" team, they are quite good

I agree, Portugal is definitely not a meme team. They are one of the top teams in Europe.

Traditional big teams of Europe:
Germany
Italy
France
Spain
England
Portugal
Netherlands

you only surpassed us because oil money gets you a bit further than us almost every year (not this one though ;))

france is only better than as at the world cup, we have maybe the best record overall of any team at the euros

but it shouldnt be their choice, the fuckers arent portuguese and dont even speak the language, they shouldnt be allowed to represent a country that means absolutely fuck all to them

2>1 the rest doesn't matter

Spain and Portugal NT's are not "traditionally big teams". Hungary, Czechoslovakia and Soviet Union/Rossiya are ahead of both in the 'all time relevance' ranking.

Yugo was a strong footballing nation

It's not that relevant anymore because domestic player ratio is smaller than it was for most of the European cups history but in the 80s it was a relevant measure of a countries ability

this

>you only surpassed us because oil money
implying France always had oil money lmao, we were still ahead you a decade ago when Lyon was going in quarter of cl in regular basis

It's the same with the Welsh national team, many of them are really English.

>1984- Semi finals.
>2000-Semi finals

guess it was about time for the portos to get their revenge on us

2006 as well

Portugal began in 1966 in the WC that they should've won or Germany if England didn't rigged it

>WC 2

ez

Portugal by a clear, clear margin.

We actually have 8 BallonD'or,
Omar Sivori and Alfredo Di Stéfano were argentines

a thousand times this

>dont even speak the language
Lopes does, even if he has some difficulties and a thick french accent, a bit like Robert Pires.
>shouldnt be allowed to represent a country that means absolutely fuck all to them
This is almost as if you were completely unaware of the aveque memes flooding our internet in the summer. Lopes and Guerreiro have stated in interviews that they used to spend holidays in Portugal, like a proper avéque. It's their dads' country, after all.

What lies between Portugal and France?

Spain

geography checks out